New XBOX Experience - General Discussion

I just wish I didn't have to leave the game disc in whenever I want to play something that's installed. Even a "place the game disc in once a month" DRM system would make me happy.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13464688&postcount=438[/quote]

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[quote name='thrustbucket']then you and local friends would only need one copy of a multiplayer game[/quote]

I don't borrow/loan out anything, I'm always afraid something will happen to it.:lol: Maybe disabling Live functions for the installed game when the disc isn't in would be the way to go to curb people abusing it, should they ever go that route. I know it's a highly unlikely pipe dream, but I'd still love to be able to jump into something like Virtua Fighter 5 on the fly. Like I said, I know it will never happen.
 
I say it will happen, just not from Microsoft officially. They have given a nice little area for people to attack and try to mod/circumvent. That's just my thoughts.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']
EDIT: After some thought, I'm thinking NXE might be on the Gears 2 disc.[/QUOTE]

It's definitely not.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Maybe you can confirm this for me. Games with 0g you have. Are they on your Gamercard anymore?[/quote]

They still seem to show up for me. Some do, anyway, although Yaris is gone for me as well, I think. But non-arcade games still seem to be there.
 
[quote name='zewone']You have to manually delete them. They don't just go away.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You can delete games off your gamercard now?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Wait wait wait. You can delete games off your gamercard now?[/quote]
Only ones with 0 achievement points unlocked.
 
[quote name='YodaEXE']Only ones with 0 achievement points unlocked.[/quote]

Better than nothing I suppose.
 
[quote name='jp0213']I say it will happen[/QUOTE]
What does that even mean? Illegal mods are illegal mods, and they can usually be found out if you sign into XBL. His idea of jumping on Virtua Fighter wouldn't work too well through illegal mods.
 
[quote name='Ex~']What does that even mean? Illegal mods are illegal mods, and they can usually be found out if you sign into XBL. His idea of jumping on Virtua Fighter wouldn't work too well through illegal mods.[/quote]

I don't see where he said it wasn't illegal. He just said that it will happen. I highly doubt it won't. How quick Microsoft catches on is another story, but I'm sure people are already working on a way to use the update against MS.
 
Thanks for that bigdaddy. Wow, that sounded dirty. Anyways, yeah I never said it was illegal, just that it would happen. On the banning from Live, yeah that would result in that more than likely but there are LOADS of modded consoles on live as we speak. The people that were playing Gears 2 three weeks ago and were on Live? Still see them around and about. I'm not condoning anything illegal or piracy, just saying someone will come up with a way to get around the disc check.
 
People found a way around the disk check in order to run games off disks as well. It's called a modchip.

People have been working on running games off a hard drive on the 360 since before they got their hands on the console. They did so with the Xbox as well (took a while, of course, and by now nobody gives a damn).

Meh.


Irrelevant since BlueSwim specifically said what he thought would "never happen" was for Microsoft to "go that route."
 
I don't doubt that it will happen through mods. But what I was wishing for is that Microsoft would allow you to run installed games without having the disc in the drive, or like an XBLA game for example. Something where you have to put the disc in say, once every 30 days, or something like that in order to verify you own the game. I have no interest in modding my 360 to do it. I want it to be an official feature, not some yo ho ho and a yar har har blackmarket add-on. Once I took apart a PS2 controller one time and it took me a whole afternoon to put it back together.:cry:
 
Wait for Xbox 720.

I'm sure full games will be available direct-to-drive in the next generation.

(Unfortunately, I might add. What an extraordinary rip-off it is when a couple companies determine the price of their own products. You end up with Nintendo charging $15 for some crap they've already made thousands off of 10 years ago.)
 
[quote name='Ex~']Wait for Xbox 720.

I'm sure full games will be available direct-to-drive in the next generation.

(Unfortunately, I might add. What an extraordinary rip-off it is when a couple companies determine the price of their own products. You end up with Nintendo charging $15 for some crap they've already made thousands off of 10 years ago.)[/quote]


Nintendo already does that. It's called Play on the Wii (which I think will cost people more than 15 dollars).

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I heard that we cannot change the color of clothing in Avatar creation. If so, I suppose Microsoft will allow companies to nickel and dime us for different colors (which is a bit absurd). I also heard that Avatar creation is simpler than Miis. :whistle2:k
 
You see a lot of DVDs now include "digital copies" where you go online and download the movie to your computer after redeeming a code included with the movie. I'd love to see that kind of option for 360(or 720) games down the line.
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']You see a lot of DVDs now include "digital copies" where you go online and download the movie to your computer after redeeming a code included with the movie. I'd love to see that kind of option for 360(or 720) games down the line.[/quote]

Never gonna happen. That's basically gamesharing with real discs. Why I'll just install my digital copy on one system and my friend can have the disc. How smart of them.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Never gonna happen. That's basically gamesharing with real discs. Why I'll just install my digital copy on one system and my friend can have the disc. How smart of them.[/quote]

Than why are studios like Fox and Sony Pictures doing it?
 
Just becuase you install the game on to your hardrive you still need the game disc it checks for the disc before you play

but after the check the game is run from the hardrive
 
I agree with the person that said there should be a weekly check or something like that. I think a time limit type check would work. Every 7 or 14 days they must verify the disk is in. It is nice that load times will be cut down but always having to have the disk in there kinda kills the excitement a little
 
We should be thankful that MS included the installing games features. Without it, we would still be playing the games off DVDs. Now, we just need to pop the game in, console checks it, and off we go. Not they hard or time consuming and it's a rather fair compromise.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']Well seeing as how Sony already had that feature and they allow you to upgrade your HDD I dont think this is a thanking Microsoft type thing. I think this was Microsoft having to catch up to Sony so it was neccessary[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the ps3 still has to read off the disk and it still has typically longer loading times than the 360 versions of games.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']Well seeing as how Sony already had that feature and they allow you to upgrade your HDD I dont think this is a thanking Microsoft type thing. I think this was Microsoft having to catch up to Sony so it was neccessary[/quote]
The PS3 has MANDATORY installs, not optional. The disc is ALWAYS in the drive so it's not the same as what MS is doing with the 360.
 
I really don't understand what the arguing is about the disc installing. It would be marketing fucking suicide if you were able to download your whole game onto your 360. Microsoft isn't that stupid. And even if you're able to download the whole game onto your 360, somewhere down the line, hackers will find out how to play without a disc, and Microsoft will patch it and everyone will be pissed off.
 
Question about HD installations. Would LAN be possible with just 1 disc now? Say I have two 360s with a certain game installed on both. Could I pop the disc of the game into one 360, have the game boot up, then swap discs into the other 360 and be able to connect two 360s to play together? If so that would be great.
 
[quote name='Chronotrigga']I really don't understand what the arguing is about the disc installing. It would be marketing fucking suicide if you were able to download your whole game onto your 360. Microsoft isn't that stupid. And even if you're able to download the whole game onto your 360, somewhere down the line, hackers will find out how to play without a disc, and Microsoft will patch it and everyone will be pissed off.[/quote]

And that's where some sort of time-based verification system would come in. For example, installing a game full game would allow you to play it for say, two weeks without having the disc in the system. After the two weeks are up you would be asked to insert the game into the system to verify that you indeed own it. Inserting the game disc before the two weeks are up would refresh the DRM license automatically.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Maybe you can confirm this for me. Games with 0g you have. Are they on your Gamercard anymore?[/quote]


it is true, and also I also noticed... with Kameo the game, if you earned achievements that are worth 0g you can still delete the title from your gamercard. I had one achievement for Kameo, which was downloading some DLC pack for free and it was worth 0g, so it allowed me to delete it from my GC. :)


edit: [quote name='motuza']Question about HD installations. Would LAN be possible with just 1 disc now? Say I have two 360s with a certain game installed on both. Could I pop the disc of the game into one 360, have the game boot up, then swap discs into the other 360 and be able to connect two 360s to play together? If so that would be great.[/quote]

I think I tried that the other day, and it booted me back to the dashboard. It would be awesome though.
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']And that's where some sort of time-based verification system would come in. For example, installing a game full game would allow you to play it for say, two weeks without having the disc in the system. After the two weeks are up you would be asked to insert the game into the system to verify that you indeed own it. Inserting the game disc before the two weeks are up would refresh the DRM license automatically.[/quote]

Time verification wouldn't work because businesses such as Gamefly and Blockbuster would be screwed. To take Gamefly into example, if you just buy the one game $5.95 contract, you can get a game, install it, send it back, get another one a day later, install it, send it back, etc.. until you have like 3-4 games that you still have 2 weeks or so to play. Why pay $12.95 for 2 games a month or whatever it is if you just have to pay $5.95.
 
Game companies don't care about places like Gamefly and Blockbuster because they don't profit off rentals. Plus, you would still have to re-rent said games every two weeks.

A limit on the number of games installed without having the disc in could also be used.

It isn't a "fool-proof" system by any means, but it would give a lot of incentive for people to upgrade from the 20 or 60 GB HD to the 120 GB HD, and that would mean more money for Microsoft.
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']Game companies don't care about places like Gamefly and Blockbuster because they don't profit off rentals. Plus, you would still have to re-rent said games every two weeks.

A limit on the number of games installed without having the disc in could also be used.

It isn't a "fool-proof" system by any means, but it would give a lot of incentive for people to upgrade from the 20 or 60 GB HD to the 120 GB HD, and that would mean more money for Microsoft.[/quote]
Again, just be glad MS included the feature to begin with.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']The PS3 has MANDATORY installs, not optional. The disc is ALWAYS in the drive so it's not the same as what MS is doing with the 360.[/QUOTE]

Depend on the game. Some games have mandatory installation while some games have optional.
 
Most likely the thought of installing the full game and playing without the disc will not come to fruition. BlueSwim, although people would probably buy a bigger capacity HD, in the long run, people would be buying less games. With the economy where it is at the moment, $60 is a lot to spend. Microsoft and its affiliates would be losing much more money in game sales due to this install feature.

I love the idea of not having to play the game without a disc, but there's just wayyy too many problems and obstacles that it just won't happen. I had some ideas like only limiting the install feature to one console, but I ended up scrapping it because even if you could only install the disc on one console only, you could still give the physical disc to a friend. In time, you'll see hackers hacking the install feature anyway.

Edit: Also, just to touch, Gamefly and Blockbuster are also beneficial to Microsoft. I believe Gamefly and Netflix are the same company. If so, I may be wrong, but in the new NXE Experience shit, Netflix is somehow making an appearance with its own section or something -- Live TV or something? Not sure. In addition, Blockbuster sells real copies of games, they aren't a pure rental company. Even if the idea came to fruition, like I said, it'd hurt these companies, which would cause a backlash.

The idea is great, especially to consumers, but from a company standpoint, it's bad. I'd root for your idea 100%, but it most likely wouldn't happen (officially), which is unfortunate to us consumers considering how the economy is at the moment. Someone might come up with a mod/hack though, you never know.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Again, just be glad MS included the feature to begin with.[/quote]

I never said I wasn't glad to have the feature. I'm just voicing what I hope the feature will evolve into down the line, that's all.:)
 
If the install feature was exclusive to collector editions/limited editions, and the standard editions didn't have the capability to take advantage of the install feature, that'd be something I'd look into when it comes to fishing out the extra $10 for the buffed up copy. Because to be honest, when it comes to buying limited edition/collector stuff, it's not like I'll drink out of a CoD5 Tin Canteen on a daily basis -- even if it's only for display purposes.
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']I never said I wasn't glad to have the feature. I'm just voicing what I hope the feature will evolve into down the line, that's all.:)[/quote]
Sorry. Was working on my french (fucking bastards) at the time. Anyway, i understand the desire to be disc-less but as it's been pointed out, people will find a way around the system. Whether it be through passing games around, Gamefly, or some other way...it'll happen.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Although I haven't listened to it, apparently on Major's podcast he said there is a possibility of a second wave of invites.[/QUOTE]

That's what I thought would happen. Anyone confirm?
 
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