Nintendo 3DS - General Discussion Thread

[quote name='Wolfpup']Yeah, but I'll have the same choice of games in a week :whistle2:/[/QUOTE]

Wait just a touch, looks like some Fathers day deals are starting and handhelds are next, might bring the price down on a couple games to make it worth your while.

I would note I like Steel Diver a lot, but I agree that it is best purchased for under $25 and Bust a Move under $20.
 
Getting a bit annoyed here personally =/. Been waiting on Best Buy to ship my BlazBlue 3DS order. 2 days after launch and they claim they have no idea when theyll get it (And according to the website theres a 2 week backorder now
 
So what if you got 2 DSi, both with games on it? Would it be possible to transfer games from 2 DSi to one 3DS?
 
My main concern is the word 'transfer'. So, the minute they're available on the 3DS, they become unplayable on my DSi?
If that's the case, I'm not interested. This was always one of the weakest things about the Nintendo offering. I have a Psp Go and a couple of regular Psp. I can activate the same game on up to 5 devices.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I don't want to 'transfer' anything. Just would like to play what I already own on my Dsi, on my 3DS.
 
Interesting that Art Academy won't transfer. Isn't that a first party release? DSi browser make sense, as does Flipnote since there will be updated versions of those. The Domo games make sense from a licensing standpoint, yet the weird part is that they were highlighted as DSiware releases at some point, I want to say E3 2010 or around the DSi's launch. Overall, nothing that strikes me as outrageous, since I'll get my Art Style puzzlers over.

We cannot transfer existing shop points? Didn't I hear the opposite at some point?
 
[quote name='Strell']
We cannot transfer existing shop points? Didn't I hear the opposite at some point?[/QUOTE]

Don't think so. Think I remember that everyone was saying you can't transfer points since the beginning.
 
It's not exactly a difficult conversion. 800 points = $8. I knew the eShop would use dollar amounts, but I could have sworn there was a way it would let you link your existing account over and run a conversion.

Whatever though.
 
[quote name='dragonjud']My main concern is the word 'transfer'. So, the minute they're available on the 3DS, they become unplayable on my DSi?
If that's the case, I'm not interested. This was always one of the weakest things about the Nintendo offering. I have a Psp Go and a couple of regular Psp. I can activate the same game on up to 5 devices.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I don't want to 'transfer' anything. Just would like to play what I already own on my Dsi, on my 3DS.[/QUOTE]

That is unfortunately correct. Nintendo is getting better in terms of licensing and managing digital content, reaching an original Xbox level, but not quite Apple or Sony.
 
[quote name='Strell']It's not exactly a difficult conversion. 800 points = $8. I knew the eShop would use dollar amounts, but I could have sworn there was a way it would let you link your existing account over and run a conversion.

Whatever though.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, I think the issue may be that Nintendo is moving to use Fastcard with this system, but I concede I'm not certain on that point.
 
[quote name='dragonjud']My main concern is the word 'transfer'. So, the minute they're available on the 3DS, they become unplayable on my DSi?
If that's the case, I'm not interested. This was always one of the weakest things about the Nintendo offering. I have a Psp Go and a couple of regular Psp. I can activate the same game on up to 5 devices.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I don't want to 'transfer' anything. Just would like to play what I already own on my Dsi, on my 3DS.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree... I just started using my DSi a few weeks ago and I really like it. I only have the fighter game that uses pictures that was free for a while (sorry, don't remember what it was called) plus the 1000 points that came with the system originally. I was hoping that could transfer over as $10 or something but I guess not. I also have 4 or 5 Wii Points cards that are otherwise useless to me. I guess I'll just try to sell those on eBay and use said cash for 3DS shop stuff.

But I think I may just keep my meager single game on my DSi. I suppose I could buy some games with the 1000 points and then transfer those over. But now I'm thinking I will probably continue to use my DSi so I might as well keep them there.

I guess I have some additional questions about the transfer. Can it be done at any time in the future should I decide I want that stuff on my 3DS then (like, say, in a year?)? Will DSiware and the DSi in general still be supported or is it on its way out anyway? I know next to nothing about DSiWare but I've gathered that it has been pretty weak overall. I'm guessing we'll get some good (or at least unique) 3DS offerings from the e-shop so I will want to buy a few games for that anyway (especially given that I have yet to buy any real games for my 3DS). But I guess I don't necessarily feel the need to have my DSi stuff transfered over - at least not yet.
 
[quote name='007']One quick final note, too... if you're only buying a 3DS *because* of the 3D, you're doing it wrong. As ridiculous as this sounds, I hate that the 3D has become the biggest talking point with this system, because it's far from the best reason to own one.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, I think Nintendo is to blame for this. The only real feature they touted for the 3DS was the 3D part. Even the name "3DS" puts the 3D feature as the distinguishing feature of the device. The 3D feature understandably got all of the media attention and Nintendo really didn't make any effort to promote the other unique features in the 3DS.

Also, even things like the new estore...the DSi already had this, so how is the new estore any different....other than it makes migrating your points/games over to your 3DS a PITA. Really nothing to promote here that's going to encourage DSi owners to migrate and a few things to piss them off.

I do like my 3DS, but I can completely understand all of the negative responses because they are quite valid. It IS overpriced, the 3D feature is a fun gimmick, but it is just as annoying as it is entertaining, the initial game selection was pretty crappy, battery life is poor, etc. I normally turn off the 3D feature because all too often I don't want to hold my 3DS in the sweet spot required for the 3D to work properly, and all of the game play just as well in 2D mode as in 3D (plus battery life is longer in 3D mode).

I think Nintendo should release the "2DS" for $175 or $200 if they want to keep the 3DS at $250. That's probably what they should have done from the beginning and just skipped over the 3D feature completely. I think they just got caught up in the 3D hype last year and thought they could leapfrog Sony/Apple by adding 3D when instead they ended up jumping sideways/backwards rather than forward. Not a fatal mistake, but still a mistake they will pay for in revenue.
 
Yeah, I'd have been a LOT more excited if it didn't have the "3D". Would love a 4.3" or larger "2D" screen.
 
How will the transfer work though? Is it through a list of things on Club Nintendo or a wireless transfer? I would like m ysave files- but I heard that that isn't possible. Rediculous.

Also, is the DSiWare shop closing on the DSi? Should I use up my points before Tuesday so I can transfer those games?
 
I sometimes turn the 3D off if my eyes are starting to bother me but overall, I think the 3D feature is cool as hell.

If they made a DS HD, I wouldn't have bought it day 1.
 
[quote name='confoosious']I sometimes turn the 3D off if my eyes are starting to bother me but overall, I think the 3D feature is cool as hell.

If they made a DS HD, I wouldn't have bought it day 1.[/QUOTE]

Depends what you mean by that. This same hardware but with a (hopefully larger) non "3D" screen? I would have jumped on it faster. Bought this DESPITE the "3D", and I'm not even 100% sure I can deal with the screens off or not.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Depends what you mean by that. This same hardware but with a (hopefully larger) non "3D" screen? I would have jumped on it faster. Bought this DESPITE the "3D", and I'm not even 100% sure I can deal with the screens off or not.[/QUOTE]

the NGP is coming out. Maybe that's more to your liking.
 
[quote name='DarkonJohn']
I think Nintendo should release the "2DS" for $175 or $200 if they want to keep the 3DS at $250. That's probably what they should have done from the beginning and just skipped over the 3D feature completely. I think they just got caught up in the 3D hype last year and thought they could leapfrog Sony/Apple by adding 3D when instead they ended up jumping sideways/backwards rather than forward. Not a fatal mistake, but still a mistake they will pay for in revenue.[/QUOTE]

I'd buy a 2DS for $180...especially if battery life is 8+ hours, and the screen a tiny bit bigger. It's crazy how much 0.3" matter, even. I'm so used to my phone's 4.3" screen, my GF's 4.0" screen looks tiny.
 
:ds: -> :3ds:
DSi to 3DS transfer details


- available June 7th
- transfer includes DSiWare games, your photo and sound data from DSi Camera and DSi Sound, and your Wi-Fi user information, including your Wi-Fi Connection ID
- DSiWare games and Wi-Fi Connection ID will be deleted from your DSi/XL
- copies of your pictures and sound data will remain in the original system
- update your 3DS to version 2.0.002 then download the free transfer app
- select to transfer individual items or transfer everything all at once
- select to transfer items from multiple DSi/XL systems on to one 3DS
- Japanese list of DSiWare that cannot be transferred
- once you've transferred data to the 3DS, it can't be moved back.
- DSiWare save data and DSi Points cannot be transferred over
- save data will be deleted from the original DSi/XL system along with the DSiWare game
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']:ds: -> :3ds:
DSi to 3DS transfer details


- available June 7th
- transfer includes DSiWare games, your photo and sound data from DSi Camera and DSi Sound, and your Wi-Fi user information, including your Wi-Fi Connection ID
- DSiWare games and Wi-Fi Connection ID will be deleted from your DSi/XL
- copies of your pictures and sound data will remain in the original system
- update your 3DS to version 2.0.002 then download the free transfer app
- select to transfer individual items or transfer everything all at once
- select to transfer items from multiple DSi/XL systems on to one 3DS
- Japanese list of DSiWare that cannot be transferred
- once you've transferred data to the 3DS, it can't be moved back.
- DSiWare save data and DSi Points cannot be transferred over
- save data will be deleted from the original DSi/XL system along with the DSiWare game[/QUOTE]

As a gamer that has bought many games from Apple iTunes store and Sony's PSN Store (which I can play on the multiple devices registered under these accounts and can easily move from one device to another as I upgrade models), I can say with a high degree of confidence that due to the incredibly stupid and restrictive approach Nintendo has chosen they won't be getting very much money form me. I never bought a DSi so I never bought any DSiWare games, but the only good thing I've heard about the 3DS estore is maybe that it "sucks less".

I won't say Nintendo's estore model is doomed to failure because there are more than enough kids that will be whining to their parents to buy them the latest downloadable game and the parents will be too distracted/uninvolved to realize that they are buying the same games over and over. But I do think it is doomed to mediocrity and will fall far short of its potential due to their incredibly hostile licensing/migration model. And people will brains will be spending their money elsewhere.

Stupid Nintendo....still got their head stuck pretty far up their ass in this area.
 
Well, I can't say that I'm surprised about the new information. I'll keep the few games I have on my DSi where they are.
As for the new store, without any integration with any of my previous accounts, they better have some really cool stuff to entice me to spend any of my money.
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']- save data and DSi Points cannot be transferred over
- save data will be deleted from the original DSi/XL system along with the DSiWare game[/QUOTE]

Nice, so you can't transfer your saves and when you transfer the game the save gets wiped out? Awesome, Nintendo ;).

It doesn't matter to me as i've never even played the one (free) DSiWare game I ever got. But, yeah, I think I'll just keep the two separate as I do have that 1000 points on the DSi. I suppose I could buy a game or two and then transfer them over, but, meh...

[quote name='dragonjud']Well, I can't say that I'm surprised about the new information. I'll keep the few games I have on my DSi where they are.
As for the new store, without any integration with any of my previous accounts, they better have some really cool stuff to entice me to spend any of my money.[/QUOTE]

Same here - and especially with them eliminating the points cards that means paying full retail and I pretty much won't do that unless they come out with iTunes store type pricing for the games and I really, really, doubt they will. Though wasn't there talk that there would be some sort of "cash" cards available for this store as well - but it was just different than the Wii/DSi points? If that is the case, I can still hopefully get some "cheap" credit by using gamestop credit to buy those cards - that makes it more palatable that just using a credit card directly.
 
[quote name='io']

Same here - and especially with them eliminating the points cards that means paying full retail and I pretty much won't do that unless they come out with iTunes store type pricing for the games and I really, really, doubt they will. Though wasn't there talk that there would be some sort of "cash" cards available for this store as well - but it was just different than the Wii/DSi points? If that is the case, I can still hopefully get some "cheap" credit by using gamestop credit to buy those cards - that makes it more palatable that just using a credit card directly.[/QUOTE]
They should be selling cash cards soon enough. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/11/prepaid-3ds-eshop-cards-showing-up-at-select-best-buy-stores-in/
 
Well I finally had enough of my loose hinge so I decided to fill out a warranty claim for service on it. When it was in the "locked" open position it would still move about 1/2" up and down. The previous games I played it wasn't very noticeable but with DoA it was getting to be unbearable. Unfortunately I'm going on a car trip this weekend so I guess I'll just deal with it for the weekend and send it in next week. Hopefully it won't be gone too long so I'll be able to partake in the e-shop...
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']They should be selling cash cards soon enough. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/11/prepaid-3ds-eshop-cards-showing-up-at-select-best-buy-stores-in/[/QUOTE]

Nice, that article shows pictures of the cards showing up at Best Buy stores. That will work, too, as I have a $25 RZ cert that I need to use before the end of June. I almost never buy anything there so it would be perfect if I could snag a $20 3DS card and maybe some iTunes money with my RZ cert.

If they release some awesome game first thing (which is likely - seems like they'd come out of the gate strong and then let it coast for a while ;), I'd be hard-pressed to wait for the cards to show up at GS as that may take a while. Hopefully my Best Buy has them now or very soon.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I'm seeing, it appears that:

1) Nintendo has 3 different online stores...one for Wii, one for DSI and a third for 3DS
(unlike Apple and Sony which have one store for all devices)

2) The points you must buy in order to buy games cannot be transferred between stores
(unlike Apple and Sony where you only have one store and any points/deposits you make can be used to buy anything)

3) The content you buy can only be used on a single device
(unlike Apple or Sony where you can have multiple devices active on the same account and easily migrate from one device to another)

4) If you happen to be upgrading from a DSi to 3DS you will be able to move "some" of your games to your 3DS, but this permanently removes them from the DSi and you cannot move them back to the DSi
(unlike Apple or Sony which allow you to buy a game and run on more than one device)

5) And from what I can tell, if you device dies or is stolen, it is nearly impossible to get your games so they can be used on a replacement device
(unlike Apple or Sony which allow you to easily switch between devices for whatever reason)

Jeeze, I can't wait for the next gen Wii-replacement to come out so they can open up yet another store that won't let me play any of the games I bought online for my Wii or transfer the points I put in my Wii account.

Sorry if I'm just rehashing previous complaints, but the more I understand about Nintendo's model, the more I'm against buying anything from them until they learn to stop being such idiots. Seriously, are they really that stupid? In this day and age, these types of restrictions and limitations are pretty hostile towards their customers and will hopefully not be tolerated.
 
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/sys...-wont-transfer
What DSiWare games can be transferred to the Nintendo 3DS?

The functionality to transfer DSiWare from a Nintendo DSi to a Nintendo 3DS will become available through an update planned for the evening of June 6 Pacific time. All DSiWare games currently available will be able to transfer with the following exceptions:
Art Academy First Semester
Art Academy Second Semester
Asphalt IV
Crash-Course Domo
Earthworm Jim
Flipnote Studio
Hard-Hat Domo
Let's Golf
Nintendo DSi Browser
Oregon Trail
Pinball Pulse: The Ancients Beckon
Pro-Putt Domo
Real Soccer 2009
Real Soccer 2010
Rock-n-Roll Domo
SUDOKU MASTER
SUDOKU SENSEI
Sudoku Student
White-Water Domo
Click to expand...
Well, that sucks. I own the first Art Academy, Pinball Pulse, Flipnote Studio, and Pro-Putt Domo. And now I can't transfer any of it.

I want to say I heard the Art Academy retail release (which included both Art Academys) doesn't let you get your pictures you draw off the cartridge? The DSiware version lets you move the pictures to your SD card.
 
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LOL....I just looked at that list of games that can't be transferred. You can't transfer the Nintendo DSi Browser to your 3DS?

Seems kind of obvious, but I commend them for stating it anyway because if they didn't, I'm sure someone would have gone off on a rant ;-)
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']Also, is the DSiWare shop closing on the DSi? Should I use up my points before Tuesday so I can transfer those games?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the DSiWare shop will continue to exist for some time. There are plenty of DSi owners still, and the device is still being sold. I don't believe you need worry.

[quote name='DarkonJohn'] But I do think it is doomed to mediocrity and will fall far short of its potential due to their incredibly hostile licensing/migration model.[/QUOTE]

This isn't anything new of Nintendo. Nintendo has always been very controlling. It's served them well in the past. Are they slow on the American business model? Certainly. Will the eShop ultimately be judged poorly? Judging by the largely mediocre offerings on Wiiware and DSiware, I would say yes. Will there still be plenty of good games on eShop's service? Absolutely.

If there's anything we've learned, we can always count on Ninty feeding us our delicious first party goodness.

[quote name='io']Nice, so you can't transfer your saves and when you transfer the game the save gets wiped out? Awesome, Nintendo ;).[/QUOTE]

Well, you know. If the game is no longer on the DSi, guess you won't be needing that save file anymore. ;)

[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']They should be selling cash cards soon enough. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/11/prepaid-3ds-eshop-cards-showing-up-at-select-best-buy-stores-in/[/QUOTE]

I'm glad to see those. I would assume they may be fodder for sales, much like Microsoft Points being discounted on Amazon.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']Can someone recommend some games for me? I've got 500 points left on my DSi.[/QUOTE]

same, I got 1000 points and I have no idea what to get
 
Damn, the transfer details suck. I was hoping it would just be tied to your account like the app store or psn. Nintendo is really behind the times, I am straying further and further from their stuff. I am starting to regret picking up a 3ds. For the price of 1 game I can get a dozen or more apps that I enjoy just as much or more and that transfer to whatever devices I want.
 
Could you back up the save files on your SD card to your computer then re-transfer them to the new system some way? Anyways this system is completely nuts. If I do buy a 3DS in the future Nintendo's E-shop is not getting any of my money. I have a DSi and I have not used the e-shop for this exact reason and I won't be using it in the future. I have the app store for all my downloadable needs and the games stay tied to my account which is one of the big, big reasons I chose to buy an iPod touch, I know I won't ever lose my games. I can use the PS store with my PSP but I am limited to like 3GB of memory on my memory stick which isn't much.

I only have Wii points because I got them free from that pepsi promotion by finding bottlecaps and I got one Wii points card from one of those GPT sites so I never paid anything for my Wii points. I plan on holding onto my Wii until it breaks at least so I am not worried about my games going anywhere (and even then the disk drive would be the most likely thing to fail which would mean the downloadable games would still be usable). I also have a ton of Pokemon stored on Pokemon Box, so not getting rid of my Wii anytime soon. Considering I won the Wii in a contest I really don't have any reason to get rid of it.

With the way things are going with the gaming companies I would not put a credit card on any of my accounts and that includes apple. My iTunes account got hacked but I had used prepaid gift cards..... SAFE! They also refunded the stolen balance in my account upon asking.

The fact that there are several different types of currency for buying from Nintendo's downloadable shop and that the points don't all go into one account is very confusing for consumers, and leaves consumers with leftover credits since you can only buy points in certain amounts even if you use a credit card. This means purchasing from Nintendo's e-shop or whatever its called is a bad value. Why not just allow us to buy individual games, do they really have to milk us that much?? I mean the people who bought the system already paid $250 for it.

I already have all 3 of the GB games they are releasing and a backlit GBA SP to play them on, why would I want to repurchase them again?? Most original GB games are hardly worth purchasing for the purpose of playing them which is what you would be doing with them on the e-shop. They are fun to collect and look at on a shelf, but the majority of non-color GB games just suck for playing other than a handful of titles. I can't deny that there are good GB/GBC games because there are, but honestly they are few and far between. The GBA and the DS have much better games than the GB/GBC, and more good games too. I have played probably hundreds of DS games over the span of time that I owned the system, and probably at least 50-80 GBA games over the time that system was popular. For GB/GBC I probably played about 15-20 games that were worth finishing.
 
[quote name='DarkonJohn']Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I'm seeing, it appears that:

...

Sorry if I'm just rehashing previous complaints, but the more I understand about Nintendo's model, the more I'm against buying anything from them until they learn to stop being such idiots. Seriously, are they really that stupid? In this day and age, these types of restrictions and limitations are pretty hostile towards their customers and will hopefully not be tolerated.[/QUOTE]

I think part of that stubbornness is that they are intimidated and probably just don't want deal with putting resources into those departments. Seeing what has been happening to their fellow Japan based company Sony, is probably just going to enforce that stubbornness. I always wondered if NOA were to ever be in charge or part of the system creation process, would they approach that type of thing differently since I'm guessing that attitude is stemming solely from the NCL branch while all they can do is sit back and watch.
 
[quote name='62t']same, I got 1000 points and I have no idea what to get[/QUOTE]

There are quite a few good 800 point games and lots of good 200 point games.

You could always look into Bookworm, Bejeweled Twist, Dr Mario Express, Puzzle League Express, Frenzic, Soul of Darkness (Castlevania clone), Mario vs Donkey Kong. All of these games offer a variety of point/price ranges. You could mix and match to reach 1000 points.

Also, most people really enjoy the Art Style series. Chronos Twins was supposed to be pretty good. And while there are virtually no RPGs on the system, Zenonia is pretty much the best.

Cave Story is also 1000 points.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']

Well, you know. If the game is no longer on the DSi, guess you won't be needing that save file anymore. ;)
[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's just me, but I detest having anything I put any time into erased even if I no longer have the game. And who knows, maybe I'd want to get it again for the DSi later? I just don't like the idea of them wiping out a save that can't be transfered. If it was transfered as well, that would be fine.
 
[quote name='pete5883']Huh? It says "Available June 6th" right across the top.[/QUOTE]

I-I...I don't think that was there earlier. ;)

Don't know how I missed that.
 
[quote name='io']Maybe it's just me, but I detest having anything I put any time into erased even if I no longer have the game. And who knows, maybe I'd want to get it again for the DSi later? I just don't like the idea of them wiping out a save that can't be transfered. If it was transfered as well, that would be fine.[/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying, and I thought about that after I made my post. I'm hoping we'll find the eShop so irrestible we won't look back.

At some point, however, Nintendo is going to have to establish an account structure like everyone else has. They're just becoming too dated. Remaining this dated in terms of digital ownership is just being ridiculously stubborn and tight-fisted.
 
Does anyone know if the 3DS e-shop will have those promised 3D virtual console games at launch?

Like a long time ago there was rumors of Links Awakening 3D at launch. Now last I heard it was nothing was said about VC games at launch.

I want my fucking Link's Awakening and I don't want to be trolled for months by Nintendo for more games now :lol:.

Also I must admit Dead or Alive Dimensions really has become my goto game. It's good when I want to play a game for like 10-20 minutes but yet still get something out of it (as of playing the game unlocks more unlockable statues). Plus I like how the 3DS allows for downloading of free content automatically. I get free costumes every day (don't know when it ends, but it's nice to see that).
 
[quote name='Mad D']I think part of that stubbornness is that they are intimidated and probably just don't want deal with putting resources into those departments. Seeing what has been happening to their fellow Japan based company Sony, is probably just going to enforce that stubbornness. I always wondered if NOA were to ever be in charge or part of the system creation process, would they approach that type of thing differently since I'm guessing that attitude is stemming solely from the NCL branch while all they can do is sit back and watch.[/QUOTE]

I'm always been impressed (in both good and bad ways) by Nintendo's ability to do things differently than everyone else and still be very successful.

When I first read about the Nintendo DS, my reaction was not very good. I was too stuck in the mindset having a controller/buttons and one screen, so the idea of having 2 screens with one of them a stylus touchscreen plus a microphone just seemed stupid at the time. But those changes really opened up some new types of gaming not previously possible. The DS/DSL were very well executed

Same thing for the Wii. In almost every aspect an underwhelming machine, except for the motion control which wasn't perfect, but was just good enough to allow the creation of unique and approachable games that appealed to a broad group of customers. For many people that were only going to get one gaming console, they got a Wii.

But the Wii and DS also have the largest percentage of crapware releases compared to the XBOX and PS3/PSP, partly because Nintendo customs are far less discerning and partly because the people paying for the games are less often the same people playing the games.

But on the estore front, I don't expect Nintendo to change their tactics anytime in the foreseeable future. While they won't get getting my money (or at least not much of it), there will probably be enough parents throwing money at them that they'll see no reason to change their ways.
 
It's really sad that, probably, one of the major reasons that Nintendo wants everything wiped on the DSi after the transfer is so when the DSi is given or sold to someone else, the new owner may feel compelled to hit up the shop and buy a couple of games instead of being complacent with the games that would have already been on the DSi, if Nintendo was any other company but Nintendo.

Of course, I could be stretching a little far with that though.
 
You don't even have to take it that far, though, FoS. They don't even want a second person in your household "sharing" the game on the old system.

[quote name='utopianmachine']
At some point, however, Nintendo is going to have to establish an account structure like everyone else has. They're just becoming too dated. Remaining this dated in terms of digital ownership is just being ridiculously stubborn and tight-fisted.[/QUOTE]

There are a lot of fanboying disagreements over systems and companies on CAG. But this is probably the one thing 99% of CAGs can agree on! ;)

Had it not been for Apple, in particular, this maybe wouldn't have been such a big deal. Sony is great with this stuff too, but the iTunes setup really drilled the one account/multi-system thing home since people are more likely to have multiple iOS devices than PS3's or 360's. So maybe Nintendo's approach would have been tolerable if iTunes hadn't come along. But now, no, it is not acceptable...
 
[quote name='io'] So maybe Nintendo's approach would have been tolerable if iTunes hadn't come along. But now, no, it is not acceptable...[/QUOTE]

I think what has me in such amazement is that wherever they had to make a decision on how to do things, with almost 100% consistency they chose the way that was most hostile towards their customers. The only reason I'd say it was 100% is that they are letting you move some of your games for your DSi to your 3DS, but even that was done poorly.

It's like the person that oversees their estore strategy is a grumpy old man that doesn't trust anybody and has to be pushed, prodded and begged to adopt anything new:

"When I was a kid, we didn't have these new-fangled estores...we bought things in REAL stores! And we only had two choices....buy it or don't buy it. Price matching? Single store for multiple devices? Bite my flabby old man's ass you cheap bums!"

"iPod, iShmod...all those Apple-head look like idiots with things hanging out of their ears. It's just a fad that will pass, you'll see."

"Backward compatibility? You should keep playing the same games on your old device until you are sick and tired of that game and never want to play it again, and then you don't need backward compatibility. Backwards compatibility is for people that have too much money and buy games they don't have time to play and finish. Lazy stupid rich bastards!"

I'm sure there are people at Nintendo that know what should be done, but that's the kind of guy I'm imagining in charge of the estore strategy.
 
[quote name='DarkonJohn']I think what has me in such amazement is that wherever they had to make a decision on how to do things, with almost 100% consistency they chose the way that was most hostile towards their customers. The only reason I'd say it was 100% is that they are letting you move some of your games for your DSi to your 3DS, but even that was done poorly.

It's like the person that oversees their estore strategy is a grumpy old man that doesn't trust anybody and has to be pushed, prodded and begged to adopt anything new:

"When I was a kid, we didn't have these new-fangled estores...we bought things in REAL stores! And we only had two choices....buy it or don't buy it. Price matching? Single store for multiple devices? Bite my flabby old man's ass you cheap bums!"

"iPod, iShmod...all those Apple-head look like idiots with things hanging out of their ears. It's just a fad that will pass, you'll see."

"Backward compatibility? You should keep playing the same games on your old device until you are sick and tired of that game and never want to play it again, and then you don't need backward compatibility. Backwards compatibility is for people that have too much money and buy games they don't have time to play and finish. Lazy stupid rich bastards!"

I'm sure there are people at Nintendo that know what should be done, but that's the kind of guy I'm imagining in charge of the estore strategy.[/QUOTE]

I would like to say I dont think the decisions are malicious (except the region locking is making me wonder...), but rather a symptom of the fact that Nintendo doesnt quite understand how to setup or maintain such an infrastructure.

They've admitted that they dont have the knowledge to setup Xbox Live or PSN and their attempts have failed or been clunky (Friend Codes). Iawata hinted in a recent interview that they would partner with someone for Project Cafe....

Realistically, for most Nintendo users, this is a minor issue. I bet they have info showing them that less than a third of Wii's were used in any online capacity. But one just has to look at the user on the Xbox and PS3 to know there is a market there and a profitable one.

Next week should be interesting.
 
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