Nintendo 3DS - General Discussion Thread

Updated list of non-transferable titles, which makes MUCH more sense in my opinion:

Asphalt IV
Earthworm Jim
Flipnote Studio
Let's Golf
Nintendo DSi Browser
Oregon Trail
Real Soccer 2009
Real Soccer 2010
SUDOKU MASTER
SUDOKU SENSEI
Sudoku Student

Art Academy and the Domo titles on the list yesterday didn't make a lot of sense, and they are gone now.
 
I'm glad they are throwing in some free games so I'll have some motivation to check out the estore and hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised (or at least not too disappointed).

But one thing I recall reading in the 3DS user guide was that if you download a game to an SD card in your 3DS, you can't transfer the game to a different SD card.

Has anyone else heard that this is the case? If so, it sounds like it would be a good idea to make sure you start out with an SD card that is big enough to hold all of your future purchases so you don't have to carry around a bunch of SD cards. Though it is hard to know how big "big enough" is if we don't know how big the games are going to be. I think it came with a 2GB card, but I may put the 4GB card from my camera in there just in case since I hate having to swap cards (too easy to lose the ones not in the device).
 
That wouldn't be any different with the Wii, and is an anti-pirating measure. Not saying I agree with it, and I'm right there with everyone else that there SHOULD be an iTunes-like "activate on 5 devices" system in place. Iwata said at GDC that Nintendo isn't really versed with online stuff; they need to hire a damn consultant and/or firm to help them handle this stuff, instead of treating it in a very Yamauchi-era-esque "It's a fad" sort of thing.

I picked one of these up for mine. Cheap, a super fast class 10, I'm set for ages.
 
Well, with my Wii I believe I can transfer/copy games between the Wii and the SD card and back, so I could move them from one card to another. I haven't tried it in a while, but I think that is possible.

For the 3DS, it sounded like there's no internal storage so once you download to the SD card...that's it. Not sure if you can re-download with another card inserted, but it didn't sound like it. Not having a DSi, I'm not sure how things worked with that device but this definitely seems far more restrictive than any other device out there.

But there's a point where if they really don't know what the hell they are doing, they really shouldn't do anything at all until they get a clue instead of trudging along saying "Yeah, we know we are don't have a clue and are doing things in an incredibly customer-unfriendly manner that everyone hates, but the truth is that you dummies keep giving us money so we're finding it really hard to get motivated to do a better job at the whole estore thing. We're actually getting kind of depressed about the situation, but it's really your (the customer's) fault because you just keep giving us the damn money even though we all know we really suck."

I really don't expect Nintendo to change their methods until the lost revenue is so significant and the reasons for the lost revenue are so obviously tied to their "anti-piracy" decisions that the realize they can't succeed without at least offering something that is comparable to Apple/Sony.

Don't get me wrong, I like my 3DS. I'm just disappointed at the unfulfilled potential of the 3DS and Nintendo, when they could be doing so much more (and getting so much more of my money).
 
There is internal storage in the 3DS; at least 1000 "blocks" worth. At least I'm fairly sure there is; I'll check mine later. That was basically the deal with the DSi.

With the Wii, you can move some game down to the card, but then that card will only work in the same system. I guess theoretically that means you could copy it to another card, but it would still only work ont he same system.

I don't agree with the "do it 100% like-we-as-gamers-want-it or don't do it at all" mentality. Whether people online want to understand this or not, we're a minority group, and trying to please us is a largely, brutally impossibly endeavor. Nintendo's stance on this can be remarkably obstinate, I won't deny that. But at the same time they've got people counting beans with alarming alacrity, for the sake of survival, expansion, and improvement.

The 3DS can't do Super Game Boy stuff out of the box unless a developer enables that themselves, and everyone online throws a fit. But be honest - how many of you actually care? And even then, we - as the sort of community we are - will just brush it aside and not care about it in a week anyway. It doesn't make sense to take the time and effort to enable this kind of functionality when it's largely not going to honestly affect you on a monetary level.

It's like when a product advertised Twitter compatibility. Really? Twitter ALONE has bad retention rates, and shoehorning it in as a bullet point on some device can't be that big of a selling angle.

I agree that the potential here is not being met. But I'm also patient enough to wait more than two freakin' months. I do wish they'd hire a damn consulting firm or create a division and staff it with adept people to get everything running with better speed, because it is embarrassing to see just how primitive the whole thing is.
 
[quote name='confoosious']this has been bothering me lately:

when you shake your 3ds, does it rattle? or do I have a loose hinge?[/QUOTE]


Mine's like that, too. I believe it's the same with all 3DS units. I have no idea if it's the designer's intention or not. I think it should've locked in securely when fully opened.
 
Shop setup is so terrible. That was expected by me.

Deleting my DSiWare save though?
Whyyyyyyyyyy? The save data and game data are in the same space!

Losing the save and worse picture quality........ great.
Yeah, pretty sure I'm leaving them all on the DSi.
 
[quote name='Batcave Dweller']Mine's like that, too. I believe it's the same with all 3DS units. I have no idea if it's the designer's intention or not. I think it should've locked in securely when fully opened.[/QUOTE]

yeah, my ds lite is solid like that.

I first thought: that's just the design (about the hinge)

then i started getting more paranoid that it was just my unit.
 
Having the Wii games on the SD card locked to the Wii they were downloaded from is not at all unreasonable as long as you can transfer them back and forth between the Wii and your SD card.

Of course, if your SD card gets corrupted or your Wii dies, you really need to be able to re-download the games. But from what I understand, Nintendo makes this a HUGE PITA, which is really stupid because consoles die and SD cards get corrupted, and it's just insane of NIA to say "well, sucks to be you, dude".

I understand their concerns about about preventing piracy, but the reality is that if you assume all of your customers are criminals just waiting for the opportunity to steal from you and treat them as such, many potential customers will simply go elsewhere for their downloadable content (which just hurts your platform in the long run).

I think Nintendo should take a look at Steam and GOG as examples where if you price downloadable games reasonably and make them easy for people to use, lots of people will buy tons of stuff that they wouldn't otherwise buy. Also, the people that are going to steal stuff are going to steal stuff regardless, but there are plenty of people that will look for ways to circumvent DRM simply because they want to us the games they bought in a reasonable and fair manner and the easier you make it for them to buy stuff, the more comfortable they will be knowing that they'll be able to use what they buy now and in the future (just like if they bought a physical game).

I agree that there are tons of things that people might say they want that I think are pretty silly (such as Twitter), but as far as things like supporting their older game libraries, whether you think it makes sense or not, I think there are a bunch of people that would buy downloadable versions of their old favorites just to have a copy of them to play on their newer devices. Hell, that's one of the reasons why GOG and Steam are successful.

But yes, as someone that likes my 3DS, it is embarrassing to see them deliver something so pitiful and insulting. I want them to be successful because that helps everyone win, but boneheaded moves like this aren't really good for anyone (including Nintendo).

Personally, it doesn't affect me that much. But when I look at how easy it is to work with the PSN store with my (well, my family's) PSP-2000, PSP-3000 and 2 PSP Gos, the Apple iTunes store with my iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, iPad 2 and iPod Touch, and with Steam for game I can play on my PC and Mac, and how much money I've spent at all of those stores...I have no doubt that Nintendo is losing money as a result of their decisions.

But I am looking to pick up some free games on the store next week and we'll see what happens. I don't need the store to be perfect on Day 1 and hopefully they'll get around to doing things right (or at least better).
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']Has anyone confirmed if 3DS Streetpass works while you're playing a regular DS game?[/QUOTE]
It does not work.
 
I dont believe Streetpass works while you are playing a game at all. I think the system has to be closed to Streetpass to "tweet" itself out to the masses.
 
[quote name='DarkonJohn']
But I am looking to pick up some free games on the store next week and we'll see what happens. I don't need the store to be perfect on Day 1 and hopefully they'll get around to doing things right (or at least better).[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, the stores account management and technical merits arent terribly likely to change, so what you have on day one is likely to be it for the 3DS.

Not impossible to change midstream... Just very unlikely.
 
[quote name='confoosious']yeah, my ds lite is solid like that.

I first thought: that's just the design (about the hinge)

then i started getting more paranoid that it was just my unit.[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure it's for the pedometer. The few pedometers that I've seen, like the Pikachu thing, had it too. The device needs something to detect the bounce when you walk.
 
[quote name='DarkonJohn']Well, with my Wii I believe I can transfer/copy games between the Wii and the SD card and back, so I could move them from one card to another. I haven't tried it in a while, but I think that is possible.

For the 3DS, it sounded like there's no internal storage so once you download to the SD card...that's it. Not sure if you can re-download with another card inserted, but it didn't sound like it. Not having a DSi, I'm not sure how things worked with that device but this definitely seems far more restrictive than any other device out there.

But there's a point where if they really don't know what the hell they are doing, they really shouldn't do anything at all until they get a clue instead of trudging along saying "Yeah, we know we are don't have a clue and are doing things in an incredibly customer-unfriendly manner that everyone hates, but the truth is that you dummies keep giving us money so we're finding it really hard to get motivated to do a better job at the whole estore thing. We're actually getting kind of depressed about the situation, but it's really your (the customer's) fault because you just keep giving us the damn money even though we all know we really suck."

I really don't expect Nintendo to change their methods until the lost revenue is so significant and the reasons for the lost revenue are so obviously tied to their "anti-piracy" decisions that the realize they can't succeed without at least offering something that is comparable to Apple/Sony.

Don't get me wrong, I like my 3DS. I'm just disappointed at the unfulfilled potential of the 3DS and Nintendo, when they could be doing so much more (and getting so much more of my money).[/QUOTE]

You can move them back from the SD card to the Wii's internal memory. I actually just realized this the other day. If you have too many games, the Wii lets you redownload them on the same Wii if you delete the game. So you could delete some games on the Wii's memory, move the games on the SD card back to the Wii then put in a bigger SD card, then redownload games, then move to bigger SD card. However this process is a little cumbersome but it will work if you needed to upgrade your Wii's SD card.

I have dogged Nintendo a lot but I have to say that the one thing they do right is use physical media that is not locked in any way so at least you can sell and trade games. We don't know what kind of media sony is gonna use with the NGP. A company that does $40 digital downloads isn't gonna get any of my money because that is essentially $40 of my dollars down the drain and no chance of recovering back part of it ever when I get sick of the game I bought or if I hate the game (especially if there are no game demos so I can try before I buy). At least with Nintendo I can buy, sell and trade games without the games losing any value. There are also no DLC codes with DS games, so they don't lose value if the game is missing the code. Obviously games depreciate in value but a 3DS game bought used and one bought new is exactly the same thing when it comes to playing the game.

What boggles the mind is that they don't migrate the DSi shop to the 3DS, as far as I know it seems there are now 2 different stores, the DSi store that works only if you have a DSi, and the 3DS store which works only as the 3DS. I am not sure why they do not just migrate the content from the DSi store to the 3DS store, it would also give 3DS players access to a bigger library of games, especially if they never bought a DSi. Launching an e-store with just 3 games available is very pathetic. I am sure Sony's store for the new NGP will at least have access to everything that is already there.
 
The PS Vita uses little flash 'cards' like Nintendo for retail games.

And like you said, it is easy to redownload on the same system.
 
[quote name='confoosious']this has been bothering me lately:

when you shake your 3ds, does it rattle? or do I have a loose hinge?[/QUOTE]

Take the stylus out and see if it still does it. I noticed that when i would shake it at the end of the day to max out my steps it made a lot of noise. I determined it was either the stylus or the analogue pad moving around.
 
[quote name='nbballard']Take the stylus out and see if it still does it. I noticed that when i would shake it at the end of the day to max out my steps it made a lot of noise. I determined it was either the stylus or the analogue pad moving around.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i thought it might also be the LB RBs.

But it's like the hinge isn't super tight when you open it, if you know what I mean. Just wondering if it is just me or if that's how the 3DS is.
 
Hey, what do you know. I decided to take my 3DS with me while doing some shopping today and I actually picked up a Mii character!

I did go to a GS store, but based on the timing, it seemed like I actually got the streetpass while it was sitting in the car when I was in Target - the only store I didn't actually bring it in with me.
 
So, I rarely bring my 3DS with me anywhere but when I go into the city (GameStop) I always get hits. Funny thing is, it's hits from the same people.

It's like they lurk all day at GS trying to get hits... or something >.> So odd
 
[quote name='io']Hey, what do you know. I decided to take my 3DS with me while doing some shopping today and I actually picked up a Mii character!

I did go to a GS store, but based on the timing, it seemed like I actually got the streetpass while it was sitting in the car when I was in Target - the only store I didn't actually bring it in with me.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='PrinnyOtaku']So, I rarely bring my 3DS with me anywhere but when I go into the city (GameStop) I always get hits. Funny thing is, it's hits from the same people.

It's like they lurk all day at GS trying to get hits... or something >.> So odd[/QUOTE]

Sure you guys aren't picking up a demo unit? lol
 
[quote name='elessar123']Sure you guys aren't picking up a demo unit? lol[/QUOTE]

I dunno - how can you tell if it is from a demo unit? It was a Mii character of a girl called "jade". Like I said the timing of it actually made it well past the time I was at Gamestop and was when the 3DS was just sitting in the car in a Target parking lot (nowhere near close enough to Target's demo unit). So chances are it was just someone else's 3DS also in a car.

Either way it doesn't matter to me - I had yet to ever get a hit so demo unit or not it was new to me ;).
 
[quote name='elessar123']Sure you guys aren't picking up a demo unit? lol[/QUOTE]

Has it even been confirmed that demo units do that? I went around 2-3 separate ones with mine to try and get a hit on purpose, but it wound up being a no go.
 
If someone set up Streetpass on a demo unit and wireless is on then it will streetpass while a demo is running.

io - you can always go check the unit to see if that's their Mii. You'll have to quit the demo and seek the menu.

I set up the Mii at my local Target's store. I gave him a red shirt and named him Target. :)
 
I just bought a DS Lite and was disappointed to find out it only supports WEP network encryption :cry:
Does anyone know if you can connect to the internet with DS games (specifically Pokemon Black/White) using a WPA-encrypted network on the 3DS? I've been reading around on the internet and read that the DS games on the 3DS still only support WEP but I've also read that the DSi and later models support both WEP and WPA, so I was just wondering if anybody can confirm either way? Thanks!
 
[quote name='dallow']I set up the Mii at my local Target's store. I gave him a red shirt and named him Target. :)[/QUOTE]

OMG, that makes me want to be devious and set up a Mii with a bad name. Go around everywhere and make a Mii called Dildo or something =D
 
[quote name='elessar123']OMG, that makes me want to be devious and set up a Mii with a bad name. Go around everywhere and make a Mii called Dildo or something =D[/QUOTE]

Doesn't work. Bad words are block out
 
[quote name='Skizye']I just bought a DS Lite and was disappointed to find out it only supports WEP network encryption :cry:
Does anyone know if you can connect to the internet with DS games (specifically Pokemon Black/White) using a WPA-encrypted network on the 3DS? I've been reading around on the internet and read that the DS games on the 3DS still only support WEP but I've also read that the DSi and later models support both WEP and WPA, so I was just wondering if anybody can confirm either way? Thanks![/QUOTE]

As many times as I've tried... No luck with connecting. I don't own pokemon games...I had tried connecting wpa with some older games I own. It has to do with the games themselves no matter what system you play them on. So the only way I could play them was to turn off wpa and set wep... It's such a hassle tho.
 
[quote name='Skizye']I just bought a DS Lite and was disappointed to find out it only supports WEP network encryption :cry:
Does anyone know if you can connect to the internet with DS games (specifically Pokemon Black/White) using a WPA-encrypted network on the 3DS? I've been reading around on the internet and read that the DS games on the 3DS still only support WEP but I've also read that the DSi and later models support both WEP and WPA, so I was just wondering if anybody can confirm either way? Thanks![/QUOTE]Only newer DS games had specific wifi options that could be used when played on DSi or 3DS.
Black/White happens to be one of those so you could use the WPA connection.

[quote name='Strell']He was going to name it Dallow, 62t. Nintendo would never know what hit them.[/QUOTE]
:cool:
 
Is Super Mario Land in 3D? I am happy about free 3D excite bike but kinda meh on the Super Mario Land (I own the actual cart). If it was in 3D I would buy it though.

I wonder how many weeks till we get that promised Links Awakening in 3D. I am going to guess about a year, lol.
 
Game Boy games won't be in 3D. And I e-mailed Nintendo a while back if we'd ever see VB Wario Land and the possibility of other titles making it on the Virtual Console. They said they'd let the folks over there know that I expressed interest in that. Ha doesn't say much though but it's just something we'll have to wait and see comes out or not.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']Got a notification on my 3DS that the eShop update will be available "the evening of June 6th." Wonder what time "evening" means for us?[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='FaintDeftone']Yeah, I'm shocked it isn't up yet.[/QUOTE]I am think it is a plot tomorrow for the press conference to gain press. Oh look at all the shit we have coming on the e-shop, and guess what it will be up tonight.

Instead of oh look at all this shit we got on the e-shop coming out, yeah it's been out for a day, you haven't updated yet :lol:.
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']Can you transfer individual titles or it is 'all or nothing'?[/QUOTE]

I believe you can choose what to transfer and what not to transfer. Not positive, though.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']I believe you can choose what to transfer and what not to transfer. Not positive, though.[/QUOTE]



Excuse my ignorance but are you and "flame of doom" talking about titles you bought from past ds machines and moving them to the 3ds? I heard that feature was coming very soon. I bought the 3ds at launch and wanted to slap my DSI on ebay for a long time now but was waiting cause i wanted to transfer my games first. This would be great if that feature was finally here!!!
 
[quote name='mrmagoo1974']Excuse my ignorance but are you and "flame of doom" talking about titles you bought from past ds machines and moving them to the 3ds? I heard that feature was coming very soon. I bought the 3ds at launch and wanted to slap my DSI on ebay for a long time now but was waiting cause i wanted to transfer my games first. This would be great if that feature was finally here!!![/QUOTE]

It is here, almost. The eShop and transfer feature launch sometime tonight. I'm in the same boat as you. I haven't touched my DSi since I got my 3DS.
 
I don't really understand the idea behind sending a notification to let us know the eShop will be up at some unknown time this evening.

Wouldn't it have been simpler to just, you know, send a notification when it was actually available?
 
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