Nintendo DSi and DSi XL Out Now. "3DS" Showing at E3

I saw this story, and the rather amusing artist rendition of a widescreen DSi.

http://ds.nintendolife.com/news/2009/10/japan_to_receive_widescreen_dsi

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Personally, I'm really surprised to hear about this. It just seems too soon, but then, the DSi has been out in Japan a bit longer than here. Nintendo loves tinkering with things every couple years.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']I saw this story, and the rather amusing artist rendition of a widescreen DSi.

http://ds.nintendolife.com/news/2009/10/japan_to_receive_widescreen_dsi

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Personally, I'm really surprised to hear about this. It just seems too soon, but then, the DSi has been out in Japan a bit longer than here. Nintendo loves tinkering with things every couple years.[/QUOTE]

They said it's for the older market, and since there's no mention of a higher resolution, I believe them. The DSi already makes some games look blockier or more pixelated than was intended - how is increasing that effect a good thing?

As far as I'm concerned, this seems like a non-story. Larger screens that makes the device bigger, heavier, draw more power, and makes the games look worse is...not desirable.

At least Nintendo hasn't yanked the DS card slot yet in favor of digital distribution. :lol:
 
[quote name='dmunkee']If they want elderly friendly, they should just release a button-less DSi :lol:[/QUOTE]

I never though of an iPod touch as elderly friendly.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']I saw this story, and the rather amusing artist rendition of a widescreen DSi.

http://ds.nintendolife.com/news/2009/10/japan_to_receive_widescreen_dsi

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Personally, I'm really surprised to hear about this. It just seems too soon, but then, the DSi has been out in Japan a bit longer than here. Nintendo loves tinkering with things every couple years.[/QUOTE]

As Gothic said, unless there is a resolution increase, it's not a huge deal. I don't mind the 'small' screen of the DSi at all. If they make a lot of improvements and whatnot, then I'll be a bit pissed since I just dropped money on the DSi.
 
I don't really think "older gamers" has anything to do with this. More likely they could get sweet deal on 4" screens than 3.25" ones they were using right now.
 
[quote name='Ryukahn']As Gothic said, unless there is a resolution increase, it's not a huge deal. I don't mind the 'small' screen of the DSi at all. If they make a lot of improvements and whatnot, then I'll be a bit pissed since I just dropped money on the DSi.[/QUOTE]

Right now, I don't think there's any reason to not believe them when they say the screen size will be the only change. Nintendo hasn't had a history of screwing people over with constant system revisions, or with making their systems obsolete with sudden and unnecessary improvements.

It doesn't make sense to bother with increased resolution anyway - why waste cart space on an improvement that's only going to affect one specific model that's a minority of the install base, especially when that model is targeted toward people with poor vision in the first place?
 
[quote name='62t']Going to be getting this on day 1 like I did with DSi[/QUOTE]

Unless Nintendo releases a license transfer tool I wont even entertain a new until for some time... Not that I really have any need for a 4 inch screen
 
if gamestop ever has a promotion and they do come in some nice colors, I'll upgrade the wife's DSL to this 4" beauty.

I haven't decided because I like my GBA slot.
 
[quote name='foltzie']Unless Nintendo releases a license transfer tool I wont even entertain a new until for some time... Not that I really have any need for a 4 inch screen[/QUOTE]

Exactly. This doesn't seem to have any real improvements, and no way am I losing the money spent on DSiWare.
 
[quote name='laaj']I don't really think "older gamers" has anything to do with this. More likely they could get sweet deal on 4" screens than 3.25" ones they were using right now.[/QUOTE]

That's possible, but I think that's something they would've realized before they released the DSi. This is going to require some pretty significant re-engineering.

[quote name='62t']Going to be getting this on day 1 like I did with DSi[/QUOTE]

[quote name='xycury']if gamestop ever has a promotion and they do come in some nice colors, I'll upgrade the wife's DSL to this 4" beauty.

I haven't decided because I like my GBA slot.[/QUOTE]

You guys might want to think about this a little, and consider whether it's worth it. This isn't as dumb as going from, say, a PSP 3000 to a PSPgo and losing all of your UMDs in the process...but it isn't much better, either. There's almost no benefit to the new hardware unless you're blind.

This is the kind of "upgrade" we're talking about. If you're too lazy to look at the link, the phone has giant buttons, bigger text and numbers, and a brighter screen, all in the name of accessibility. Those are all fine for a phone, but are horrible ideas for a portable system. A bigger screen and (potentially) bigger buttons mean a significantly bigger "handheld" system, which (as everybody in the PSPgo thread insisted) is a horrible thing for a device intended to be portable. A bigger screen with the same resolution (which is all this is going to be, unless Nintendo is interested in losing a bunch of customers who bought the first version of the DSi) means the graphics get stretched more than the developers intended, which can cause blockiness, pixelation, jagged edges, or any number of graphical maladies, depending on the game. A brighter screen would mean more power drawn, draining the batteries faster.

From the tiny bit we've heard so far, this is NOT worth another $170, unless your goal is for your games to look worse with no upsides to compensate. This is an alternative for Japan's large elderly population, nothing more...and we still don't know if this will ever be released anywhere else. It wouldn't be the first time Japan's seen Nintendo hardware we haven't - Game Boy Light? 64DD? The Q?
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']A bigger screen with the same resolution (which is all this is going to be, unless Nintendo is interested in losing a bunch of customers who bought the first version of the DSi) means the graphics get stretched more than the developers intended, which can cause blockiness, pixelation, jagged edges, or any number of graphical maladies, depending on the game.[/QUOTE]

This reminds me of playing Gameboy and Gameboy Color games on the Advance SP. At least it had the option to resize the games, with a lovely black border around them.

Passing on this DSi "upgrade."
 
For many of you saying how terrible this will look, ever heard of Super Gameboy? And that another GBA adapter for Gamecube. No matter how much you blow it up it won't be that bad to make it unplayable for most people.
 
[quote name='johnnypark']Someone has a DSi on Craigslist near me for $100, and if they're to be trusted it's in like-new condition. As a phatty and DSL owner, is it worth the upgrade? I really like the idea of adjustable brightness in-game, and the other little fixes they made to the system, but don't know how much interest I have in DSiWare right now.[/QUOTE]

No, it is not worth the "upgrade". If I could find my original impressions from back when the DSi was first released somewhere in this thread, I would link it for you.
 
It's worth the upgrade if you don't play a lot of GBA games, want to play DSIware, and want an improved dpad.

Oh, and I guess if you do Facebook a lot.

Otherwise, not really, and even then, only if you could get one for a good price.
 
If this 4" screen version of the DS has slightly larger buttons and D pad then I may have to pick it up day 1, the buttons on the DS have always felt a bit too small for me.
 
[quote name='laaj']For many of you saying how terrible this will look, ever heard of Super Gameboy? And that another GBA adapter for Gamecube. No matter how much you blow it up it won't be that bad to make it unplayable for most people.[/QUOTE]

I'd argue that the Game Boy and GBA game were almost guaranteed to scale better - pixels scale more nicely than 3D graphics, from my experience. The DS still has a lot of 2D games, but I digress.

I suppose you're right. The reaction here confused the hell out of me, though. This is a minor tweak for accessibility that might never leave Japan, and it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't - I think our older generation is technophobic enough so that there wouldn't be much demand for it here. Even if you don't care about image quality, I don't think the other tradeoffs that come with making a portable bigger are worth it, and definitely not worth it if you've already got a DSi or a DS Lite.

I'm with Zing and Strell in that, so far, the DSi period isn't really worth the upgrade cost, and I don't see why the handicap accessible model would be any different.
 
Ok so if u read my profile you will see I am currently DS less, my husband (ex) was a badass, and sold it on me, when I was not around, for a few days, long story, but I want to get a new one, and money being tight I want to make sure I am getting a good value piece of kit!! So basically just would like to know, having had the DS I would love to now get the DSi as it LOOKS so much better on the telly, but don't know anyone with one, so I cant ask anyone other than the shop that sells them and of course they are going to blow sunshine outta their backsides about it to get a sale, so need the real truth!! Is it worth the extra cash???? I like Brain type games, sorry to sound a bit sad, but I was pretty much into Brain Trainer 2 etc, I am not really into shoot em up type things, but quite like the occasionally Mario Bros type thing for a change, so I am not really worried about the graphics being hugely lifelike, so is it a thumbs up or down. The other choice is a Wii, basically cos I would get the Wii Fit version,as I like to keep in shape, so as I cant afford both currently I am in a bit of a dilemma as to which to get first. I am definitely leaning towards the DSi so would just love some feedback on it, or if there is some on here already, plz point me in the right direction as I am a newbie so not really got the hang of the forum as yet!!

Cheers guys hope u can help!!!!!
 
Kotaku made a mock-up of a 4" DS, and the results are...bigger than the DS Lite.

Take a look...

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There's also images floating around of one of the Mario RPGs resized to the new screen size, maintaining their original resolution:

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Like Strell says in the future, it probably isn't as simple as just upsizing the old graphics, but there you go.

[quote name='RhiannonIOM']Ok so if u read my profile you will see I am currently DS less, my husband (ex) was a badass, and sold it on me, when I was not around, for a few days, long story, but I want to get a new one, and money being tight I want to make sure I am getting a good value piece of kit!! So basically just would like to know, having had the DS I would love to now get the DSi as it LOOKS so much better on the telly, but don't know anyone with one, so I cant ask anyone other than the shop that sells them and of course they are going to blow sunshine outta their backsides about it to get a sale, so need the real truth!! Is it worth the extra cash???? I like Brain type games, sorry to sound a bit sad, but I was pretty much into Brain Trainer 2 etc, I am not really into shoot em up type things, but quite like the occasionally Mario Bros type thing for a change, so I am not really worried about the graphics being hugely lifelike, so is it a thumbs up or down. The other choice is a Wii, basically cos I would get the Wii Fit version,as I like to keep in shape, so as I cant afford both currently I am in a bit of a dilemma as to which to get first. I am definitely leaning towards the DSi so would just love some feedback on it, or if there is some on here already, plz point me in the right direction as I am a newbie so not really got the hang of the forum as yet!!

Cheers guys hope u can help!!!!![/QUOTE]

There's actually a lot of crossover between genres on the Wii and DS - I know the Wii has some Brain Age-style games, and they've obviously both got Mario.

Are you planning to use the system by yourself, or would you be interested in multiplayer? The DS works for the former, but for the latter you'd definitely want a Wii.
 
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I'm playing M&L3 on my DSi and I'm not noticing any pixelation at all. But I can't get back to the screens used since they occur early in the game to make an honest comparison.
 
[quote name='Strell']I'm playing M&L3 on my DSi and I'm not noticing any pixelation at all. But I can't get back to the screens used since they occur early in the game to make an honest comparison.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. It's hard to tell objectively when the best mockup I've seen of the new device so far was made of cardboard. :lol:
 
I just think this is classic overreaction by the internets, which has been the case for a few years now. Just a bunch of anger everywhere. Some dood right now is whining that Valve delayed a demo release of L4D2 by a day.

Point being, why is this causing an uproar? If the device isn't for gamers - and let's go with this "older generation" thing for a while - then hey, it's not for us, and we can be perfectly happy with smaller/more portable/higher res models. Besides, I have a hard time believing it's as simple as "stretch an old screenshot=OMFGITSUX." But I'm not a graphic engineer, so eh.

Just seeing people cry about this is both hilarious and condemning. Find a new hobby, like electrocuting your balls.
 
A new hobby? :whistle2:k

Anyway, I think I'm with you - right now, I've got issues with both the "bigger is automatically better" crowd, and the "Nintendo only loves us for our money" group. The reactions don't really apply here, but I guess that's kind of to be expected - this really is something new, because I can't think of another console iteration that was designed entirely for an elderly - or even older - market. The tiny little brains don't know how to react, and what's the result?

:fridge:

Just imagine that fridge is a giant DS, and it's a perfect analogy.
 
DS graphics clearly look the best. DSi has enough improvements to justify the worse graphics, but this new thing does not over the original DSi. Leave it for the elders.
 
Yep, according to their announcement and the Google translation, the "Nintendo DSi LL":
- It will be released in Japan November 21st for a MSRP of ¥20000 (Tax included)
- The screens will be 4.2 inches, the system size will be bigger to accommodate this.
- A bigger stylus pen will be included (96mm). It is designed the same as past styluses, but it can be placed into a 129.3mm shell that resembles a fancy ballpoint pen.
- It will be available in three colors: Wine Red, Dark Brown, and Natural White

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So is it the same price? There is no way smaller version will sell when bigger screen version is the same price. Battery life issue will be non-factor since bigger size means more room for batteries.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Size comparison. [/QUOTE]

Whoa. That site would scare the shit out of me if I were high or drunk.

I noticed the graphics comparison doesn't look like the hackjob I've seen running around since yesterday. Granted, it's really difficult to know unless you have them both side by side.

But geez. I want to build a fort out of one of these, not unlike the cereal box machinations I used to guard my precious bounties in days of yore.

Wine Red is a sexy color.

DSi LL? More like....DSi LoL. Or something.

I think that's all the random thoughts I had.
 
Still no word on if this is coming out here? Japan's got plenty of Game Boy and DS variations and colors that we never saw; this could be another, especially after the last "secondary" handheld variation (the Game Boy Micro) completely failed to make an impact.

The names of the colors definitely scream "elderly audience" to me, and that would explain the pen-sized stylus, too.

Looking at the pictures and size comparisons, this seems almost uncomfortably big, but it's hard to judge that from diagrams alone.

[quote name='laaj']So is it the same price?[/QUOTE]

No. ¥20000 is about $220 American dollars, although that's probably not the price Nintendo would release it at if it came out here.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Size comparison. [/QUOTE]

Stylus Comparison
Another Size comparison (This one integrates the specs)
Specifications Comparison

Just a slight correction, the stylus will indeed be 96mm (vs. DSi's 92mm stylus), but it is designed in the same style as the past styluses. The ballpoint pen thing is a 129.3mm shell that you can put the stylus into.

From Google translate:
Dimensions
DSi LL
161.0mm width
91.4mm length
21.2mm thick
Stylus length about 96.0mm
Large Pen Shell length about 129.3mm
Weight: 314g

DSi
137.0mm width
74.9mm length
18.9mm thick
Stylus length about 92mm
Weight: 214g

DS Lite
133.0mm width
73.9mm length
21.5mm thick
Stylus length about 87.5mm
Weight: 218g

Charging Time
DSi LL: Approximately 3 hours
DSi: Approximately 2 hours 30 minutes
DS Lite: Approximately 3 hours

Battery Life
DSi LL
Minimum brightness: 13-17 hours
Low: 11 to 14 hours
Medium: 9-11 hours
High: 6-8 hours
Maximum: 4-5 hours
(Depending on software used)

DSi
Minimum brightness: 9 to 14 hours
Low: 8-12 hours
Medium: 6-9 hours
High: 4-6 hours
Maximum: 3 to 4 hours
(Depending on software used)

DS Lite
Minimum brightness: 15 to 19 hours
Low: 10 to 15 hours
High: 7-11 hours
Maximum: 5-8 hours
(Depending on software used)

Included Software (DSi LL):
Nintendo DSi Browser
Flipnote Studio
Brain Age Express: Arts
Brain Age Express: Math
Meikyou Kokugo Rakubiki Jiten (Some sort of Japanese language dictionary; I don't believe that it's been released on DSiWare yet)
 
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[quote name='Gothic Walrus']
Looking at the pictures and size comparisons, this seems almost uncomfortably big, but it's hard to judge that from diagrams alone.
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That is a plus in my book. I always found Nintendo portables to be small for my hands.

[quote name='Gothic Walrus']
No. ¥20000 is about $220 American dollars, although that's probably not the price Nintendo would release it at if it came out here.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about in comparison to original DSi models in Japan.
 
Phase 1: Get DSL, DSi, and DSi LL.
Phase 2: THUNDER
Phase 3: THUNDER
Phase 4: THUNDERCATS, HOOOOOOOOOO!
Phase 5: Profit.

Alternatively:

We hov threh sizhez. Wee, not so wee, and FRIGGEN HUUUUGE!
 
I like the size of it. The screen comparison that Gothic Walrus posted is interesting, but lacking a comparison of how text comes off on the various sizes, it's of limited use.

Color me intrigued. I'm not in any hurry to give up my DSlite, but I am intrigued.
 
The only reason I'd upgrade from my blue DSi is to go for the dark brown DSi LL. What other handheld comes in brown?
 
Not sure if this has been posted or not, please let me know if it already has:

This morning, Nintendo has updated their Japanese site with a picture and new information of their new Nintendo DSi LL.

The new handheld is set to launch in Japan on November 21 for 20,00 Yen (equivalent to $220). Wow, talk about right around the corner. The new DSi LL boasts a larger screen (4.2 inches) and better battery life (13-17 hours).


The new DSi LL will also come equipped with with a full size pen and will be available in Natural White, Dark brown, and Wine Red. Sassy!.


[via LevelUpNews.com]
Japan gets it first, of course. No word on release dates outside of Japan.

Looks like they are targeting more mature/older audience with this one. Bigger screen, subtle colors...
 
The full-size pen, if it actually stows in the DSi, would make this pretty decent. Also it might feel better in hand then the current DSi, for larger hands anyway such as mine. Big sticking point: transferring DSiWare and points to a new DSi - is it possible? I've got a bunch of DSiWare titles and something like 5000 points and I wouldn't want to lose that. Might all be moot if this isn't coming to the US anyway.
 
Why do people keep assuming the pen stylus is going to fit in there? Don't they realize the original stylus is there for a reason?
 
I'm not sure why they are releasing this new version of the DSi. The DS continues to be the strongest selling platform month-to-month in the U.S.. And I imagine the situation is similar in other regions. Nintendo recently released the overall sales for the DS platform over its lifetime, and they were ridiculous. All former video game platforms pale in comparison to the DS's sales. In only five years, the DS platform has managed to break the 100 million mark.

So why a larger, more expensive DSi? Is it even necessary? Is there a real market for a less portable system? Sure, larger screens are nice, but are they worth it if they make the system more cumbersome to carry and use? How will this affect the battery life?
 
I'm not sure I see the point of this... Not exactly portable... well, it's still portable but it certainly doesn't fit easily into a pocket.
 
[quote name='IronSerif']Not sure if this has been posted or not, please let me know if it already has[/QUOTE]

It was posted in the big DSi thread.
 
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