Nintendo DSi and DSi XL Out Now. "3DS" Showing at E3

*rolls eyes* lameee. I just bought a white DS Lite and its all I will ever need. Especially for those GBA games. Like we really need another portable system on the market for more $$$ that already does the same thing as the one we already have? Just a bigger screen? I guess its good for you Nintendo fan boys.
 
Well as a DS gamer that mostly plays at home and the occasional vacation (which the DS goes in a backpack anyways), I could care less if it doesn't fit into a pocket as well. I've never once carried my DS in my pocket anyways. Maybe that is why people had all them hinge problems? ;)

I might have some issues though. First and foremost is the transfer of DSi-ware. Does anyone really believe that this will happen? I don't, unless Nintendo starts giving us a DSi-ware account instead of tethering the games to a system.

Second, as some have stated elsewhere won't the larger screens hurt the graphics of the current DS game library?

Third, well I guess I'm not ready to buy another version yet. Although, I do hope it sells well enough so they keep larger screens when they get around to "upgrading" to the next hand-held.
 
First the PSP Go and now this. :roll:

It's as if these companies are blatantly ignoring what people actually want these days.

I find it pretty funny that a system that has no specific games (DSi only non-DSiware rehash crap) is getting a hardware update before any software was ever released.
 
[quote name='jkam']
It's as if these companies are blatantly ignoring what people actually want these days. [/quote]

Because the only market out there is the same one forever, instead of attempting to tap new demographics.

I find it pretty funny that a system that has no specific games (DSi only non-DSiware rehash crap) is getting a hardware update before any software was ever released.
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It's not an upgrade, it's not specifically for gamers, etc etc.

Do people not read anymore? Is it cool to not read and not use cognitive skills these days? I blame the kids with their rap music and the hippin' and the hoppin'.
 
[quote name='Strell']Because the only market out there is the same one forever, instead of attempting to tap new demographics.

It's not an upgrade, it's not specifically for gamers, etc etc.

Do people not read anymore? Is it cool to not read and not use cognitive skills these days? I blame the kids with their rap music and the hippin' and the hoppin'.[/QUOTE]

Strell...although I have not done much posting in quite awhile I'm far from a noob here. I did read all about it. Just because a press release says one thing doesn't make it true. I don't see the DSi as an upgrade or this product either.
My DS Lite still works just fine.

I'm far from a Nintendo hater and I used to swear the Gamecube's merits up and down on this very board but it doesn't make the DSi or the DSi LL any less of a complete shitfest for me. Where are the new games that take advantage of the more powerful hardware? DSiware is a joke.

I'm hoping that the Tegra rumor is also true because at this rate it's going to be awhile until I buy another handheld. I don't hate Nintendo but releasing a higher end more expensive DSi marketed to who we say it's marketed to is a bad idea. Even it sells like gangbusters I still don't see the point.
 
I known the XL is going to be heavier but I was hoping it would be around the same weight as the original DS. Not sure if I want something that weights more than the original psp
 
[quote name='jkam']Even it sells like gangbusters I still don't see the point.[/QUOTE]

And that's because it's not for you.

As far as DSi specific software goes, I'm even with you on that. System is supposedly 4x the power. However it's been out a year, and I'm guessing that devs already had projects in the pipeline past the point of graphical overhaul. There's some DSi specific stuff starting to show up early next year in Japan if rumors are to be believed, and supposedly follow in other territories after that.

As gorgeous as some of the games are (comparatively speaking within the DS lineup, not against the obviously higher fidelity PSP stock), like Dragon Quest 9 and Okamiden, I too want to see what the system can do at max. But I'm patient enough to wait. Games are selling just fine without the added costs of power and so forth, so why blame Nintendo for that?

Besides, the puzzle games from Skip on DSiware are quite good. Not system selling worthy, but definitely better than a lot of retail releases.

Anyway, it's fine and all in not caring for the DSi/LL and such. I'm just pointing out that it's silly to start decrying something that isn't designed with you in mind.

No harm no foul no shirt no shoes no problem say no more.
 
I'll update the OP later tonight, thanks to everyone posting links...

Dear Nintendo... Make a License transfer tool and I'll consider this... Gives me a great excuse to gift hardware as Christmas or Birthday gifts.
 
Is there something significant outside of the bigger screen that makes this worthy of an upgrade? And wouldn't most games, especially 3D ones, look a lot more jagged with such a large screen? 2D games should look fantastic though...

The DS is roughly 5 years old... I would think that there would be a DS2 being revealed by now since it seems like 5 years has been the standard cycle for systems.
 
The DSi is DS2. The DSi got more memory (4 times the DS), faster processor, and better sound quality. The DSi is powerful enough to handle the next generation of portable games
 
[quote name='Strell']

As far as DSi specific software goes, I'm even with you on that. System is supposedly 4x the power. However it's been out a year, and I'm guessing that devs already had projects in the pipeline past the point of graphical overhaul.

As gorgeous as some of the games are (comparatively speaking within the DS lineup, not against the obviously higher fidelity PSP stock), like Dragon Quest 9 and Okamiden, I too want to see what the system can do at max. But I'm patient enough to wait. Games are selling just fine without the added costs of power and so forth, so why blame Nintendo for that?

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I don't blame Nintendo for games selling without the update in graphics but I'd rather see the DSi being held back until developers were on board and ready to launch software to go along with it. Maybe I am a bit impatient but the DSi feels more like a way to sell the same system to the same people again because of the lack of "new" software.

[quote name='Strell']
Anyway, it's fine and all in not caring for the DSi/LL and such. I'm just pointing out that it's silly to start decrying something that isn't designed with you in mind.
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I see where you are coming from but at the end of the day I'm still a potential customer. If and when DSi specific games are released I'll have to make the decision on which system to purchase. It feels with this system launch that the market is segmenting into itself. It's kind of odd.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Is there something significant outside of the bigger screen that makes this worthy of an upgrade? And wouldn't most games, especially 3D ones, look a lot more jagged with such a large screen? 2D games should look fantastic though... [/QUOTE]

To answer your questions: not that I know of, and possibly, although it's hard to tell without having actually seen the new system. The screen should be the same resolution (unless Nintendo wants the possibility of three different systems that aren't cross-compatible), but given that developers were designing for a fixed resolution and screen size for years, I don't really know what's going to happen. Something that looks fine on the DS Lite might not look quite as pretty on the significantly larger DSi LL screen.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']To answer your questions: not that I know of, and possibly, although it's hard to tell without having actually seen the new system. The screen should be the same resolution (unless Nintendo wants the possibility of three different systems that aren't cross-compatible), but given that developers were designing for a fixed resolution and screen size for years, I don't really know what's going to happen. Something that looks fine on the DS Lite might not look quite as pretty on the significantly larger DSi LL screen.[/QUOTE]

Its the latter, DSi LL has the same resolution and thus aspect ratio.
 
[quote name='johnnypark']I don't care about any of the new features they've added, I think removing the GBA slot is a mistake, and I know more than a few CAGs feel the same way. So, it would take some killer apps on the download store for me to even consider upgrading, and let's face it, Nintendo's never been all that good with the must-have titles within the 1st year a system's been out, at least in the past decade.[/QUOTE]

This is an odd stance to take, the DS removed Game Boy and GBC support, the DSi removing the GBA slot isnt surprising especially since new GBA games stopped being released in early 2008.

Personally I'm looking at picking up a backlit GBA SP the next time Gamestop has a sale to play my Gameboy collection when the mood takes me.

Granted, if you dont see anything on the DSi that you want, there is of course no reason to upgrade and until Nintendo makes a clear announcement regarding license transferring it would be understandable if you would rather wait. I didnt, but I've only invested $20 into the DSi, so if Nintendo fails to come through I wont feel as if I had lost anything of note.
 
Great idea for older folks with less than perfect eyes. From my understanding that is part of the reason they made it in the first place.
 
[quote name='Vinny']The DS is roughly 5 years old... I would think that there would be a DS2 being revealed by now since it seems like 5 years has been the standard cycle for systems.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the lifespan of portable systems, at least Nintendo's portable systems, has always been much longer than the standard console lifespan. Moreover, it is quite evident that all of the current platform holders intend to extend the present hardware generation just as long as they can. It will probably be another few years before a new DS or PSP are even announced, and then another year or two after that before they are released. The DS as a hardware platform could easily be on the market for close to nine or ten years before a proper DS2 gets released.

Again, I'm not sure if this is the right time for a new version like this. There isn't any "problem' with the new DSi. It is slightly larger, with noticeably larger screens. This will make the screens easier to see, and text on the DSi easier to read. I can understand some consumers being happy with this development. I just think those consumers are going to be in a bit of a minority. And one of the real draws of the DS is the broad market it has been able to appeal to. The original DSi was a bit unnecessary, although it did bring a new download service to the table. This new version just seems to be adding a new option that may or may not have significant demand. I can't help but wonder if it is a response to the PSP Go. (and given the Go's slow start, it would be unnecessary in this capacity as well)
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']Actually, the lifespan of portable systems, at least Nintendo's portable systems, has always been much longer than the standard console lifespan. Moreover, it is quite evident that all of the current platform holders intend to extend the present hardware generation just as long as they can. It will probably be another few years before a new DS or PSP are even announced, and then another year or two after that before they are released. The DS as a hardware platform could easily be on the market for close to nine or ten years before a proper DS2 gets released.[/QUOTE]

It also should be noted that the DSi does have more powerful hardware and a transition to DSi only carts could extend the lifetime.
 
Too soon after the release of the DSi. This way the overly blocky, and/or pixelated graphics would look bigger.
 
Some pictures of the actual unit (Source):
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The systems seems too big for my liking, kinda takes the "portable"-ness out of it. I just bought a DSi about a month ago and I'm completely content with that.
 
[quote name='SL4IN']The systems seems too big for my liking, kinda takes the "portable"-ness out of it. I just bought a DSi about a month ago and I'm completely content with that.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree. That thing looks like a beast. I think Nintendo is heading in the wrong direction with this move. What demographic group are they going after with this?...
 
I actually spend most of my time playing the DS at home, so portability isnt a concern for me. However I want to be able to hold it first as I am concern about the weight.
 
I'm interested in this, but only if I can get a good trade in deal on my original DS lite. Otherwise, meh. It almost reminds me of some of those EEE PC's, size wise.
 
[quote name='dragonjud']I have to agree. That thing looks like a beast. I think Nintendo is heading in the wrong direction with this move. What demographic group are they going after with this?...[/QUOTE]

I think "old people" has already been agreed upon.

This thing is way too big to be portable. It would be fine if I'm laying in my bed playing it, which is how I play my DS most of the time, but I couldn't see myself taking it out of the house and playing it on a bus or in a waiting room.
 
The larger screens will prove to be useful for my popular flipnote creations and the stylus attachment is pretty sexy. I could also use this opportunity to finally get a white DS. Hmmm... :whistle2:k
 
That actually looks bigger than I expected. I think "unwieldy" is a good description. :shock:

[quote name='popular penguin']The larger screens will prove to be useful for my popular flipnote creations and the stylus attachment is pretty sexy. I could also use this opportunity to finally get a white DS. Hmmm... :whistle2:k[/QUOTE]

Just remember that (as far as we know) it's going to be the same resolution. It might be slightly easier to work with, but you aren't going to get more detail out of the bigger unit.
 
[quote name='Strell']There's some DSi specific stuff starting to show up early next year in Japan if rumors are to be believed, and supposedly follow in other territories after that.
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Actually a DSi specific game has already been released in America & we'll see more in multiple territories early next year. Guess your older prediction was off by an entire year...
http://www.amazon.com/System-Flaw-N..._1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256867695&sr=8-1
That is what happens when you try to win an intelligent facts-based conversation with insults instead of reason.
 
Any chance they'd drop the price on the DS Lites when this comes out?

And BTW, what happened to the Polar White DSL? Did they discontinue it?
 
I didnt know it was possible for the first title to be shovel-ware, that is quite the accomplishment.

Does make my previous predictions wrong... But a simple modification should be enough, the first Nintendo made DSi exclusive cart only game is still a year away.
 
Damn that thing is huge; I'm glad I didn't buy a DSi now. Will this make older DS games look shitty on such a larger screen?
 
I would not be surprised if they didn't change the pricepoints of the various DS models here and we just had 3 tiers. All depends on sales and sales have been good at least for the entire brand, haven't paid much attention to DSi sales compared to past portables.

[quote name='Strell']If I was having a conversation with you, it was never intelligent at any time.[/QUOTE]
Oh, it started out intelligent but once you realized you were proven wrong you resulted to insults similar to the one you've used here.
 
Actually, I made a prediction. You childishly said OMFG YER WRONG.

So at that point I fight fire with fire.

But man, holding onto something this long. That takes.....something, I'll bet.
 
Wow now you're just straight out lying through your teeth :lol:. Maybe you should go back and reread what I posted and what you posted :lol:. You were wrong, I was right, I pointed it out and gave you a chance to man up, and all you did was post the following bullshit with excuses, which was proven wrong a few posts later :roll:.


[quote name='Strell']Not in America you aren't. Unless I"m reading this map and globe incorrectly, suddenly unaware of geographic locations.

And since Japan launched their system several months before, and since our games won't arrive here until some time after that, you are barely half way correct.

This is all assuming Failtaku is ever right, having a batting average equivalent to Paris Hilton's sagging labia, and therefore inconsistent at best.[/QUOTE]

Don't hate me for just proving you were off by a year. When you treat me like a piece of shit I will return the same to you so maybe next time you will not act like such an asshole when someone posts an intelligent discussion. What you see right here is a reflection of yourself.
 
I guess if you cut and paste, then sure. But if you read the whole thing, you're just mad because you were spouting dumbshit waaaaaaaay back when, I called you out on it, and then you stomped around like a baby, only to get a tiny hard on when - gasp! - one of my predictions was wrong. Because when you lost ten points but gained half of one, you'll hold onto it like a grasping monkey. And since you've always been poor at discussion, you'll ignore this and carry on. And then, in true shithead form, came back to waggle that little chub right in front of me in a pretentious, annoying manner.

So here you go - wow I was wrong! Whoopie! A piece of shit shovelware game came out DSi exclusive that no one will buy, everyone will ignore, and hardly stands to prove a single thing outside of shovelware's existence even on new exclusive platforms! Let the chorus of angels shower their lullabies upon the Earth! Meanwhile no real third parties give a shit because there's no audience, Nintendo themselves does anything beyond make vague comments, and the whole thing is a drop of water in a big ocean of void.

Go get in more little fights in the deal forums like you like to do. And hey. Come back in six months and relive your great glory! Next time I'll just ignore it and not fulfill your little dreams.

Thread can carry on. Sorry everyone for the babysitting.
 
[quote name='Strell']
Thread can carry on. Sorry everyone for the babysitting.[/QUOTE]

Its all good, J7 just wants a gold star, but since CAG doesnt have one, he can have this HD DVD icon instead, HDDVD counts as a shooting star right?

For you J7 for something! :hd:
 
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, because Nintendo knew the XL was coming out and perhaps made sure the newest M&L game would look good on it. I want to see some older games and some third party games before I decide how acceptable the resolution will be for old games on the new screens.

In any event, as long as it's backwards compatible and there are no games that force the upgrade too early (requiring the new platform exclusively), then I'm happy with what I have now and glad Nintendo chose this path instead of a completely new system that would force the upgrade issue on me much more quickly.
 
So does anyone think they will let us transfer our shit over? :whistle2:(

See this is what I hate about Nintendo. The DS to DSLite, imo, was an appropriate amount of time. Of course, quickly new colors come out. Then new colors. And more new colors. Then the DSi comes out..and quickly new colors..and now this? I mean I know having a certain "color" isn't a big deal, :lol:, but the reason why they have colors is so we can have the one that we want. Seeing the XL makes me want it...but if I buy it on launch.. 3 months later, a color that I want will come that I want.. :lol:

THEN another DS will come out. :wall: So do we just stop buying DS'?!
 
I was considering trading my Blue DSi for a white one when it came out, but with the DSi Ware I have on there, thinking about it became a big headache.

I can definitely see the appeal to their target audience with this model. A lot of "serious" gamers take their handhelds everywhere to kill time any place they can, so portability is definitely important, whereas a lot of "casual" gamers probably play their DS strictly at home so the actual portability of the unit itself probably isn't much of an issue. Of course, Nintendo will have a lot of existing owners of every DS revision chomping at the bit to get their hands on this one too, just like the good 'ol gameboy years.
 
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