Nintendo E3 2011 Press Conference - Wii U, Luigi's Mansion 2, Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS

If any console attracts a lot of relatively uninformed masses, it will attract a ton of shovelware...the Wii didn't have shovelware because it was Nintendo, or Motion Controls, or whatever...just because a lot of people who don't really follow games had one.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I'm actually not sure what the shovelware developers are going to do. With 2 $250 handhelds and 3 HD consoles, there is no longer a cheap physical media development option.[/QUOTE]

I think Nintendo is going to keep the Wii open as a separate branch like they are with DSi and 3DS.

Wii - casual market oriented
Wii U - traditional gamer oriented

Nintendo has shown it can work with multiple portable devices and I think they are going to do it with home consoles.
 
[quote name='Sanjoelo']Go play games. There are more than enough Internet pissing contests already, and none of them have a winner yet.[/QUOTE]

I would love to be playing games instead of posting my opinion on a message board containing a collection of opinion. However, I'm at work... and I'm bored.

I may have missed it, but did they show whether or not you can connect multiple Wii U controllers to the console?
 
You know, it would be nice if all the fanboys with all of their infinite wisdom would just stick to whatever company or console they are so in love with and shut the hell up with all the bashing. I love Nintendo, but I don't feel the need to bash on Microsoft or Sony and fill the message boards with long tirades about why such-and-such is going to fail and why such-and-such "won E3". It actually just makes you look like a whiny little bitch. We get it, you are "hardcore" and all you want to do is run around with your little army man shooting people. So how about you stick to playing your oh-so-hardcore games and shut your mouth. Your feedback really doesn't matter.
 
Personally Nintendo had a good briefing. Seeing Nintendo games on Wii U with increase visual details will be interesting. The video of Zelda on Wii U looked stunning. Hopefully there will be a TGS this year with more Wii U info.
 
[quote name='antlp89']I can't see why people are getting excited for a console that is 5 years late to this generation and will be "last gen" technology in a few years.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking that too. Nintendo announced the thing at least 18 months before release. At that point, current gen graphics will be 6 ½ -7 years old. I expect the 360 and PS3 to be around for a few more years, but Nintendo will be in the same situation they are now in another 3 years.
 
[quote name='antlp89']I think Nintendo is going to keep the Wii open as a separate branch like they are with DSi and 3DS.

Wii - casual market oriented
Wii U - traditional gamer oriented

Nintendo has shown it can work with multiple portable devices and I think they are going to do it with home consoles.[/QUOTE]

They really havent though. Their 3rd pillar talk has always been PR speak for hedging their bets in case it doesnt work. Internal development shifted from DS to Wii and then largely from Wii to 3DS. In both the handheld and home console areas, I think they cut a wildly successful and profitable generation short, the first time the market leader has opted to do so - and I think, a critical error.
 
I didnt catch the beginning of the show but did they at least address the glaring demand for all the seemingly AAA wii games that have yet to be released in the US that have been out for months? if not then fuck you nintendo
 
[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']I would love to be playing games instead of posting my opinion on a message board containing a collection of opinion. However, I'm at work... and I'm bored.

I may have missed it, but did they show whether or not you can connect multiple Wii U controllers to the console?[/QUOTE]

this.

I want to get excited about this, but after the Wii, I can't let myself. After doing a midnight launch for the wii, I loved it for a month, and then have only played mario kart a few times a year since.

Cool concepts were shown, but it's not enough to get me to hand over my cash. Having a 360, PS3 and ipod touch is excessive as it is, my gaming needs are more than met. I even sold my DS (blasphemy! I know, but I wasn't using it anymore).
 
[quote name='JSiggy']anyone think Wii U will have achievments/trophies?[/QUOTE]


I think they would be stupid not to include some sort of system.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']I think they would be stupid not to include some sort of system.[/QUOTE]

They've previously said that they didn't include that in the 3DS because they felt achievements were "artificial". Which is a curious stance on the matter since video games are inherently artificial. Maybe they'll change their tune for the Wii U, though. I wouldn't be too shocked, and I certainly hope they do.
 
I'm more interested after watching the video and seeing the potential. I think I can move it up from maybe to eventually purchase.
 
considering people can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080, who the hell cares about "next gen" graphics. Current gen graphics (ps360) is good enough for me. Could the video card get better? Sure. But getting more pixels isn't gonna do a thing for the games.
 
i hope what im hearing about only 1 player can use the new controller while players 2-4 have to use wiimotes and nunchucks isnt true otherwise big LOLOL
 
[quote name='velvet396']this.

I want to get excited about this, but after the Wii, I can't let myself. After doing a midnight launch for the wii, I loved it for a month, and then have only played mario kart a few times a year since.

Cool concepts were shown, but it's not enough to get me to hand over my cash. Having a 360, PS3 and ipod touch is excessive as it is, my gaming needs are more than met. I even sold my DS (blasphemy! I know, but I wasn't using it anymore).[/QUOTE]

As a Wii owner (and every other Nintendo console), I completely agree with what you said. I too loved my Wii... but it was a short love. After I bought my PS3, the Wii started to feel more like a novelty... more like a toy.

The Wii U is going to have to come out at a relatively low price point if Nintendo wants to grab the attention of the more "hardcore" gaming community. Why buy something comparable to what you already have? Yes... the controller is neat, and seeing some Nintendo licensed games in full HD with current gen graphics would be cool. However, Nintendo's new found relationship with third party publishers of top titles isn't anything to get excited about. Why? Because they are third party games that will be out for all three systems. If you're a strict Nintendo fanboy, who plays nothing but Nintendo consoles, then this is great news. But for those of us who own multiple consoles, access to third party games with implemented giant Wii U controller support is not exactly appealing.
 
I was excited about what this new system would be..
But after seeing the conference I'm not.
Its clearly just a small step up from the Wii.
And I think Sony and Microsoft don't have to worry about it competing much against their systems.
No idea on the price of it either. We already have overpriced 54.95 dualshocks. How much will these Wii U controllers be? 79? 99?

I am also let down on the titles that were shown. Just more rehashes of old originals that didnt look very impressive.

I wouldnt expect this system to be able to command more then 299.99 at release.. But I could just as easily see Nintendo pricing it at 399.99 as they will be the only new console in town in 2012
 
[quote name='confoosious']considering people can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080, who the hell cares about "next gen" graphics. Current gen graphics (ps360) is good enough for me. Could the video card get better? Sure. But getting more pixels isn't gonna do a thing for the games.[/QUOTE]

Ummm... you're doing it wrong. 480, 720, 1080 are resolutions. Yes, it enhances game graphics, but it's not what makes a games graphics.
 
[quote name='confoosious']considering people can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080, who the hell cares about "next gen" graphics. Current gen graphics (xbox) is good enough for me. Could the video card get better? Sure. But getting more pixels isn't gonna do a thing for the games.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Plus I mean the PC is always going to be better than consoles in hardware/specs. I mean hell why is there still such a big Diablo II community around, even though that game is like 10 years old now.

I mean not trying to defend the Wii-U in any way, but I can bring up an example on how big shiny graphics mean shit to me. I loved the Original Crysis because it was really good gameplay wise, not because it looked beautiful. I dislike Crysis 2 and Far Cry 2 because I don't find the gameplay fun even though those games look beautiful.
 
People said last gen was good enough as well. It always will be without something tangible to look at. People have to be shown next gen tech before you realize, oh, maybe this wasn't good enough. lol

[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']What a mess. It's sad to see the once mighty Nintendo perpetually sink. Instead of coming up with something ahead of the curve, they have spun-out in the curve, and have started driving backwards.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='antlp89']
I can't see why people are getting excited for a console that is 5 years late to this generation and will be "last gen" technology in a few years.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, except by the time it releases you are looking at 7 years late to the party. Granted we all watched internet video footage, most of what they showed looked on par with 360/PS3 launch titles.

The the gajillions they made on the Wii and DS you would think they could afford to go back to(yes they used to) taking a loss on the system so that they aren't outdated inside of 18 months.

Also as someone who has been with them since the NES, this just seems like a cry of defeat. They obviously can no longer compete without a gimmick. As a lifelong fan, it's just sad. Sure the controller has potential, but didn't we all sing that tune 5 years ago? Did we all forget already? Whatever gimmick an Assassin's Creed or Ninja Gaiden, etc. tosses on the screen, will you really choose it over a more comfortable traditional controller? Are you really going to pass up playing CoD or Ghost Recon with friends online for some gimmicky screen functionality?

Is an HD Nintendo console with a traditional controller that foreign of a concept to them?

...sigh...
 
My prediction? Most 3rd parties will just dump things like a menu on the screen. If the Wii U versions becomes the best seller, maybe they'll do something more, but I don't see that happening.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Exactly. Plus I mean the PC is always going to be better than consoles in hardware/specs. I mean hell why is there still such a big Diablo II community around, even though that game is like 10 years old now.

I mean not trying to defend the Wii-U in any way, but I can bring up an example on how big shiny graphics mean shit to me. I loved the Original Crysis because it was really good gameplay wise, not because it looked beautiful. I dislike Crysis 2 and Far Cry 2 because I don't find the gameplay fun even though those games look beautiful.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, most of us see the future with our eyes. I'll agree with you to a certain extent. Some games are classic in their appearance. However, when it comes to "new technology", one expects to see something that is more advanced than what is currently on the market. I highly doubt anyone today would be excited enough to throw down big bucks on a console that promoted last-gen graphics.
 
Very interesting, I'm definitely excited, depending on the games. Controller looks a bit uncomfortable for long play though. It should have handles or something molded in. Really curious as to the price of the system and especially the controller.

3DS games are exciting, love me some Mario, Luigi's Mansion, Kart, and Smash (whenever it comes out) but when will we be seeing them?

And where the HELL is any form of Wii support other than Skyward Sword (and Kirby, which was kinda glossed over). Wii U doesn't come out for a year and a half. That means nothing from Nintendo for a year and a half for the Wii???

Also, New Super Mario Bros. Mii is retarded as fuck, but I'll just consider it a new NSMB and ignore the retarded Mii option.
 
is NSMB Mii a new game or one of the tech demos that they are using to show off the Wii U?

I know Reggie said a couple times that the Wii U demos are NOT games.
 
With the limited details Nintendo announced about their new console I'm highly doubting this thing will not see light before next years E3. My guess is 2012 Holiday Time. I feel like i only was introduced to a controller and a concept not a new console. No Tech Specs, No Date, No Price, No real Game Announcements.

I also feel duped that Nintendo already came out with an entire new console before the only true original Wii Zelda has even been released which has been shown at the last 2 years worth of E3's. Skyward Sword has been to 3 different E3's i can only imagine that its due to porting it to Wii U
 
[quote name='confoosious']the difference about graphics is that you reach a limit to what the human eye can actually discern.[/QUOTE]

And we're still not even at Toy Story 1 yet. What's your point?

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Joystiq on Wii U

What's the thing feel like? In an artificially extended word, awwwwkwaaaaard. It's designed so that the players holds sort of the top area of the controller, and my (admittedly small) hands were placed such that my thumbs fell naturally onto the analog sticks. But not the buttons. Though the Shield Pose demo didn't require buttons, I tried it, and I had to make a very conscious effort to actually hit the face buttons instead of unconsciously tapping the circle pads while I was going to do something.
Click to expand...
 
[quote name='Layd Dly']
I also feel duped that Nintendo already came out with an entire new console before the only true original Wii Zelda has even been released which has been shown at the last 2 years worth of E3's. Skyward Sword has been to 3 different E3's i can only imagine that its due to porting it to Wii U[/QUOTE]

Reggie said Zelda will be out this fall.
 
[quote name='Corvin']
Also as someone who has been with them since the NES, this just seems like a cry of defeat. They obviously can no longer compete without a gimmick. [/QUOTE]

Exactly. Not long ago, Nintendo consistently dominated both the console and handheld market. However, it indeed seems that they now rely on gimmicks in order to sell systems.

I made a reference to the Virtual Boy a few posts back, which as we all know, failed miserably (I still own one). I can't help but compare it to the 3DS... or 3D gaming in general. I'm still not sold on 3D technology. It still seems way too gimmicky to be a format that eventually evolves into an industry standard. The same goes for this "new" technology introduced by the Wii U. Touchscreen capability? Ok... I'm sold. The ability to move the game from the TV to the controller so you can play it within wireless range of the system? Not sold. Current gen graphics? Zzzzzz...

Nintendo admitted defeat today. They promoted a handheld with a miniscule library by showcasing the same-old licensed games they've been releasing for years (ie Mario Kart) with only minor graphical updates and stereoscopic 3D technology. Then, when it was time to pull out the big gun, they showcased a gimmicky controller that goes along with a system they have no specific specs for. Let's face it... it's a high-def Wii with a slightly higher polygon count. I see a white flag... and Miyamoto is holding it.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Reggie said Zelda will be out this fall.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and i bet they will do it just like Twilight Princess and launch it on both. They'll Milk it for everything they can.
 
[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']Exactly. Not long ago, Nintendo consistently dominated both the console and handheld market. However, it indeed seems that they now rely on gimmicks in order to sell systems.

I made a reference to the Virtual Boy a few posts back, which as we all know, failed miserably (I still own one). I can't help but compare it to the 3DS... or 3D gaming in general. I'm still not sold on 3D technology. It still seems way too gimmicky to be a format that eventually evolves into an industry standard. The same goes for this "new" technology introduced by the Wii U. Touchscreen capability? Ok... I'm sold. The ability to move the game from the TV to the controller so you can play it within wireless range of the system? Not sold. Current gen graphics? Zzzzzz...

Nintendo admitted defeat today. They promoted a handheld with a miniscule library by showcasing the same-old licensed games they've been releasing for years (ie Mario Kart) with only minor graphical updates and stereoscopic 3D technology. Then, when it was time to pull out the big gun, they showcased a gimmicky controller that goes along with a system they have no specific specs for. Let's face it... it's a high-def Wii with a slightly higher polygon count. I see a white flag... and Miyamoto is holding it.[/QUOTE]

hahah, this is by far the most foolish thing said on here today. Which is saying a lot.

you know what a white flag would be? If Nintendo built the Xbox720. That would be a white flag.

lol @ all you haters -- you have a good time hating. The rest of us will be enjoying our wiiU, Ps4, and xbox720s when they come out.
 
[quote name='Corvin']
The the gajillions they made on the Wii and DS you would think they could afford to go back to(yes they used to) taking a loss on the system so that they aren't outdated inside of 18 months.
[/QUOTE]
What system was this? Other than perhaps briefly on the Gamcube, Nintendo does not sell its systems at a loss. It just doesnt, and makes sense given they dont have other parts of the business to absorb their losses or R&D.

[quote name='Corvin']
Is an HD Nintendo console with a traditional controller that foreign of a concept to them?
[/QUOTE]

There is a wrong premise in this question. Every Nintendo system has had a new controller style.

Assuming, you intend to ask, could Nintendo use a controller more like the 360s or a Dualshock?

Certainly, but would be the point? As others have pointed out, why pick up the Wii U version of a game if it offers nothing over the 360/PS3 versions? Also, they already have a traditional controller in the weirdly named "Classic Controller" and it is sparsely used.
 
The controller is an unbelievably stupid gimmick. Tell me, how many of you look at your controller while playing a console game? Don't say "No, because there's no reason to yet." The answer is no because you're too busy paying attention to the game on the tv screen. There's a HUD on the WiiU screen, eh? Ok, let me check it out while playing BF3. Oops, I'm dead because I took my eyes off the tv screen. I didn't think Nintendo could get more gimmicky than the Wii, I was wrong.

The controller is also entirely too big. My friend figured out why this was called Project Cafe, because the controller is the size of a plastic cafeteria tray. There's no way I'll want to hold that thing for 4 hours straight while playing Batman.

I'm with everyone else on this entire console, they are WAY too late to the current gen party. I hope Nintendo is happy when everyone that buys this is trading it in when 720/PS4 release a year or two after. And saying you're happy with current gen graphics is stupid to say now when you haven't even seen next gen yet. I'm pretty sure your opinion will differ then.

E3 was shit this year all together. Oh well, maybe next year guys.
 
[quote name='confoosious']hahah, this is by far the most foolish thing said on here today. Which is saying a lot.

you know what a white flag would be? If Nintendo built the Xbox720. That would be a white flag.[/QUOTE]

How was it foolish? How would Nintendo building the Xbox720 be a white flag? Last time I checked, surrendering didn't involve making the next big thing. Now if Nintendo became a publisher for Xbox720, that would be surrendering. But that's not likely to ever happen (unless Nintendo was cursed by Sega).
 
[quote name='foltzie']Certainly, but would be the point? As others have pointed out, why pick up the Wii U version of a game if it offers nothing over the 360/PS3 versions? Also, they already have a traditional controller in the weirdly named "Classic Controller" and it is sparsely used.[/QUOTE]

They could, you know, just do stuff better than Sony or Microsoft. Better online, better graphics, get EA to put out games with stuff made specifically for their console, and so on.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']They could, you know, just do stuff better than Sony or Microsoft. Better online, better graphics, get EA to put out games with stuff made specifically for their console, and so on.[/QUOTE]
And then they could be the ones out billions of dollars per cycle instead of their two competitors.
 
Yeah, I have to agree... Nintendo putting out a 'normal' console would be more disappointing than anything else. I think that they see, and rightly so, that the industry doesn't really need, nor can it support, 3 HD consoles that are all effectively doing the same thing. They learned their lesson from the PS2/XBox/GC generation, and I'm fairly glad about that.

Ultimately, I don't see how any of this is bad. PS3 has Blu-ray, and some pretty badass exclusives. Microsoft has the most competent and well-run online component, with two high-profile exclusives (Halo and Gears). Nintendo, basically, seems to be offering the same multi-platform games as 360 and PS3, as well as the Nintendo stable of IPs.

The question, really, is how future proof the console is. It obviously runs the same HD games as the current consoles, but how much power is under the hood? Is it possible that while the WiiU can handle current games, it's *capable* of much more? Beyond price and release date, that's probably the most important question.

Overall, I was happy with what Nintendo presented, just not the way they did. Honestly, you shouldn't have people being confused about what, exactly, you're announcing.

The name, though... bleh. I'm really worried (and today's confusion already hasn't helped) that this'll fall into the same trap as the 3DS, where a very similar name to the older console confuses people and makes them think it's not really an upgrade. I still talk to people who have no idea that the 3DS is a totally new console, which baffles me. I fear that the Wii U will fall into the same category, which is why, if nothing else, I'm glad that the third party stuff was front and center. Gives a nice comparison point.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']And then they could be the ones out billions of dollars per cycle instead of their two competitors.[/QUOTE]

I'll let their stockholders worry about who's losing how much money. I'm just a gamer. My only concern is where I can play the games I want to play, and then where I can play the best version of that game.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']They could, you know, just do stuff better than Sony or Microsoft. Better online, better graphics, get EA to put out games with stuff made specifically for their console, and so on.[/QUOTE]

The day Nintendo does online better than Microsoft...wow.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']I'll let their stockholders worry about who's losing how much money. I'm just a gamer. My only concern is where I can play the games I want to play, and then where I can play the best version of that game.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but "just gamers" like you are the problem. You want companies to remake all the same of shit all the time.

Are people seriously bitching because Nintendo isn't still making the SNES in 2011?
 
It seems...kind of bizarre seeing some of these third party games on that pristine white WiiU hardware. I'm so accustomed to the image from the past few years it just seems out of place.

Anyways, I am definitely in for one. I just hope it launches in more colors than white so it will match the black Wii accessories.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Sorry but "just gamers" like you are the problem. You want companies to remake all the same of shit all the time.

Are people seriously bitching because Nintendo isn't still making the SNES in 2011?[/QUOTE]

There's a certain degree of irony in defending Nintendo while blaming "people like me" for being the reason companies remake stuff....
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']It seems...kind of bizarre seeing some of these third party games on that pristine white WiiU hardware. I'm so accustomed to the image from the past few years it just seems out of place.

Anyways, I am definitely in for one. I just hope it launches in more colors than white so it will match the black Wii accessories.[/QUOTE]

All the hate and beating up these "hardcore" gamers are doing to this thing all day solidified my day 1 purchase for this. So I have them to think. The more you hate, the more people are going to buy it. That is how it works. Nintendo's best advertisement right now is for "gamers" to beat up on it. That is what happened with the Wii when it was announced and will happen with this system. Wannabe Hardcore gamers don't determine success. Sorry to break it to you.

Personally I would love it for the true gamers to follow this system and leave the others behind. The comments i have read only ignites my passion to buy one out of spite and out of principle to tell wannabe hardcore gamer that games are for everyone, not just the elitists out there.
 
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