Nintendo E3 2011 Press Conference - Wii U, Luigi's Mansion 2, Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS

[quote name='-Never4ever-']

E3 was kinda of a let down, if only because I'm finally burned out on all the sequals, remakes, and re-releases. Give me some fresh IPs![/QUOTE]

This totally. Out of all three press conferences, there was like maybe two serious games that were not a sequal, remake or re-release were shown. (Kinect Disneyland does not count :lol:). The only good thing I can say about Nintendo is at least their sequels coming for the 3DS do look I would not say totally fresh but different enough. I mean I watched Sony talk about the Vita and every game they demoed looked like the same game on the PS3 (Except for the 18,000,000th Diablo clone), and it got me less excited for that handheld.
 
Totally overlooked post #586... even though I read the past six pages.

Also... a controller with a screen is nothing new.
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[quote name='tcrash247']Why is StarCraft 2 being mentioned here? Wouldn't it be more logical to talk about a different RTS being ported to the WiiU? Blizzard wouldn't touch this disaster with a ten foot pole, they know better.[/QUOTE]

SC2 was only discussed as a talking point... An example only

I could see a BWii 2 in the mix or Army men reboot, heck there could be even Company of heroes ported over.

Rts could be the new thing and I can see the new controller making a big positive difference, only if 3rd party will step up.

With at least a year…hopefully it'll be enough time to get nintendo's ducks in a row


And I'd rather know about it then having them wait for TGS or later…more info will leak out, we'll be better informed, console, controller, mp functions, and games with 3rd party support.
 
[quote name='RELISCH']it makes sense though. i mean they did only have tech demos for the people to try out. they just wanted to show us how good the third party support was.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you... but they used the third-party support almost as a "going home" announcement at the end of the conference. So... with the exception of the very brief clips of first-party titles we've seen, we're still in the dark as to what these games will actually look like.

If they just announced third party support with the logos of the games in development, I think it would have been just as effective.
 
It's a little bit of a shady tactic, but I at least vaguely understand why they did the reel. I'd imagine the two goals for them were 1) Show third parties were on board and 2) this was an HD system capable of running much better games than the Wii. To that end, the reel worked, though I personally think it was a miscalculation.

I'm not really shocked, though, since as the reel unfolded it became fairly obvious that these weren't actual WiiU games. The vast majority of things they showed were games that were coming out before any rumored launch date, likely *well* before. If anything, I was more thrown off by the reel because it implied they were going to announce a fall 2011 release date with that launch line-up, which obviously didn't happen.
 
I'm slightly more irked at this. Nintendo hasn't actually started development of either the Wii U or 3DS Smash Bros. http://kotaku.com/5809850/cold-water-thrown-on-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds.

The third party demo reel....it was just a sizzle reel...along with "developers talk about the system" and "here's what games could look like" reels, it's safe to just ignore them. Ive seen sooo many checks written by those reels that the consoles couldn't cash.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']The golf ball tech to me was actual a highlight. It gives a golf game a little more realism if I can look down at the lie of my ball and base my shot on it. I could easily see EA using the controller for Tiger Woods in this manner.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a golfer, but I can see your point if it's used effectively. Hell make the unit 3D and you would have a 3D ball buried in blades of grass. :)
 
Cause I was just thinking that when the 360 had their tech demo, the games were running off Apple G5s. That doesn't bother me one bit now when I'm playing on my 360 and it kicks major ass.
 
Wait, the Wii U games are supposed to be on par with 360/PS3 games? I thought they were supposed to be better? If it's only on par, what's the incentive in buying a Wii U that matches 6+ year old technology?

Edit: Ouch, rumors put the Wii U at $650.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Wait, the Wii U games are supposed to be on par with 360/PS3 games? I thought they were supposed to be better? If it's only on par, what's the incentive in buying a Wii U that matches 6+ year old technology?

Edit: Ouch, rumors put the Wii U at $650.[/QUOTE]

Well, the wiiPad is what the incentive is. Also, since nobody has the specs, nobody knows if it's on par or better. Even if it's better, I wouldn't expect leaps and bounds better. Nintendo isn't in the graphics arms race.

$650? Who started that rumor, Sony?
 
Oh boy! Another generation of ignoring Nintendo! That's ok, I haven't paid attention to them since the end of the Super Nintendo when they were still relevant.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Well, the wiiPad is what the incentive is. Also, since nobody has the specs, nobody knows if it's on par or better. Even if it's better, I wouldn't expect leaps and bounds better. Nintendo isn't in the graphics arms race.

$650? Who started that rumor, Sony?[/QUOTE]

Australian and British preorders both put it in that range. It's by no means official, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Australian and British preorders both put it in that range. It's by no means official, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised.[/QUOTE]

Preorders are a stab in the dark that is guessing high. Retailers just put up any guesses and see what happens. They don't want to come in UNDER the real price cause then they're screwed. It's always gonna be higher.

If this thing is more than $349, that'd be insanity. I'm guessing $299.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Preorders are a stab in the dark that is guessing high. Retailers just put up any guesses and see what happens. They don't want to come in UNDER the real price cause then they're screwed. It's always gonna be higher.

If this thing is more than $349, that'd be insanity. I'm guessing $299.[/QUOTE]

There is no way in hell this thing will only be $300.
 
[quote name='confoosious']hey, metaphysical, what is your platform of choice?[/QUOTE]

I'm quite confused by this entire conversation. But here goes...

I prefer PlayStation over the other two. I've never owned a 360, but did own an Xbox.

Metaphysicalstyles History of Console Preference:

Began gaming in 1982, at which point I preferred the Atari 2600.

Preferred the NES.

Preferred the SNES... also owned Sega Genesis, but preferred SNES.

Preferred Nintendo 64 over Sony PlayStation and Sega Dreamcast.

Then, with the following generation of consoles, things changed.

Preferred Sony PlayStation 2 over Nintendo GameCube and Xbox.

Current Gen? I prefer PlayStation 3 over Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360.

Now... let the analysis begin!

I'm fairly certain as to why in 2000 I abandoned Nintendo as my console of choice. In 2000, I turned 21 years old, and as my life was changing, so was the gaming industry. Now, I preferred Nintendo 64 over PlayStation 1... as Nintendo 64 still felt "cutting edge" and was consistently releasing NEW first-party licensed titles with NEW lead characters. Even existing characters (Mario, Donkey Kong) and their respectable games were given full make-overs, which breathed fresh air into something before it became stale. I also wasn't too old for the premises the Nintendo 64 games presented.

But in 2000, not only was I older and looking for something a bit more "R rated", but I was also disappointed with what Nintendo brought to the table with the GameCube. I was there for the midnight launch of the GameCube, grabbed the black console I ordered a year and a half in advance, took it home and enjoyed it. Did I feel like I was playing something cutting edge? No. Was I blown away by the library that developed over the life of the console? No.

Why?

I believe it was because I wasn't seeing anything that was necessarily new. PlayStation 2 was already out, and was delivering the same quality graphics that the GameCube had. PlayStation 2 also introduced a number of newly licensed first-party characters and games that did not exist on their previous console. Nintendo on the other hand began recycling their content. Delivering the same old characters and games with a new coat of paint and a wax-job. The gimmick curse struck. With the Gamecube, we were given very little new content, with a compact-sized console, miniature optical media, and... ???

They did the same thing with the Wii. A new way to play the same old first-party crap we've played since 1996. The only decent new license was Wii Sports, which introduced the Mii character. My opinion... weak sauce.

Now, with the unveiling of Wii U, I fear that Nintendo will again rely on gimmicky peripherals and how to play the games than the content the games present.

Look... I'm not here to trash Nintendo. I like Nintendo. I was just hoping that they would become the leader they once were. Giving us something that feels and looks new. Something that seems timeless... like their first three consoles.
 
Nintendo says wii U buy our new system that has the specs of the PSVITA? The one that uses last generations wag controller for its games and an ugly tablet with sliders. You can take the tablet on the go and play updated 16 bit versions of pong and tetris. Wii U buy from us?
Answer is no and the best thing about the wii was the VC which doesn't say much for Nintendo. They might as well go back to making disposable tiger handheld type devices, like bo knows baseball and football.
I don't want them to be so innovative, just good. I fear Miyamoto has been eating magic mushroom too much anymore.
 
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[quote name='elessar123']There is no way in hell this thing will only be $300.[/QUOTE]

The controller screen is like 960x544 or something like that. And it's really just a screen with a mini-satellite dish inside of it (figuratively speaking, of course) with buttons.
 
It's funny, you want them to do something "exciting and new" but they went with a tablet controller (as opposed to the same tired xbox/dualshock controller) and you call them gimmicky.

What exactly do you expect them to do? Full body gaming suit? Would that be sufficiently new?

They take a risk and it's gimmicky AND old at the same time? OK, you're the head of Nintendo, what exactly would you do with wii 2 that makes it so exciting and fresh.

You're suffering from misplaced nostalgia. If you were here back then, you'd probably blast the 2nd and 3rd of their first three consoles for not being innovative enough. You'd probably be all hot and bothered about the Jaguar or the 3DO.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The controller screen is like 960x544 or something like that. And it's really just a screen with a mini-satellite dish inside of it (figuratively speaking, of course) with buttons.[/QUOTE]

I would peg this at $400 still. I don't believe it'll be $650 either, but if it actually is, I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
[quote name='confoosious']It's funny, you want them to do something "exciting and new" but they went with a tablet controller (as opposed to the same tired xbox/dualshock controller) and you call them gimmicky.

What exactly do you expect them to do? Full body gaming suit? Would that be sufficiently new?

They take a risk and it's gimmicky AND old at the same time? OK, you're the head of Nintendo, what exactly would you do with wii 2 that makes it so exciting and fresh.

You're suffering from misplaced nostalgia. If you were here back then, you'd probably blast the 2nd and 3rd of their first three consoles for not being innovative enough. You'd probably be all hot and bothered about the Jaguar or the 3DO.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this is directed to me or not... but allow me to answer.

NEW CONTENT.

Not a new way to play... NEW CONTENT.

Give me a new character... or a new, remodeled take on a classic. I don't care what it is... it could be a mule that eats gummy-bears to harness it's power. It could be a full-remake of Balloon Fight. Mario is stale. He's been in side-scrollers, 3D environments, space, driving a kart, competing against Sonic at the Olympics, playing soccer, basketball, baseball, golf, even running around with a water-pack strapped to his back so he can clean shit from the streets.

Nintendo needs to invent NEW content. A new story about a new person, animal, shape, plant, something.
 
http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/#/about
Wii U™
Launches:2012

Size:Approximately 1.8 inches tall, 6.8 inches wide and 10.5 inches long.

New Controller:The new controller incorporates a 6.2-inch, 16:9 touch screen and traditional button controls, including two analog Circle Pads. This combination removes the traditional barriers between games, players and the TV by creating a second window into the video game world. The rechargeable controller includes a Power button, Home button, +Control Pad, A/B/X/Y buttons, L/R buttons and ZL/ZR buttons. It includes a built-in accelerometer and gyroscope, rumble feature, camera, a microphone, stereo speakers, a sensor strip and a stylus.

Other Controls:Up to four Wii Remote™ (or Wii Remote Plus) controllers can be connected at once. The new console supports all Wii™ controllers and input devices, including the Nunchuk™ controller, Classic ControllerTM, Classic Controller ProTM and Wii Balance Board™.

Media:A single self-loading media bay will play 12-centimeter proprietary high-density optical discs for the new console, as well as 12-centimeter Wii optical discs.

Video Output:Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i. Compatible cables include HDMI, component, S-video and composite.

Audio Output:Uses AV Multi Out connector. Six-channel PCM linear output through HDMI.

Storage:The console will have internal flash memory, as well as the option to expand its memory using either an SD memory card or an external USB hard disk drive.

CPU:IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessor.

Other:Four USB 2.0 connector slots are included. The new console is backward compatible with Wii games and Wii accessories.
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Only one tablet connectable at this point, Gamecube controllers not mentioned, Gamecube discs not mentioned, HDD not mentioned (but at least there is external HDD support).

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/07/ibm-puts-watsons-brains-in-nintendo-wii-u/

Nintendo's new console, the Wii U, was finally unveiled to the world today at E3 2011, and we got a glimpse of its graphical prowess at the company's keynote. Details were scarce about the IBM silicon Nintendo's new HD powerhouse was packing, but we did some digging to get a little more info. IBM tells us that within the Wii U there's a 45nm custom chip with "a lot" of embedded DRAM (shown above). It's a silicon on insulator design and packs the same processor technology found in Watson, the supercomputer that bested a couple of meatbags on Jeopardy awhile back. Unfortunately, IBM wouldn't give us the chip's clock speeds, but if it's good enough to smoke Ken Jennings on national TV, we imagine it'll do alright against its competition from Sony and Microsoft.
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45nm multicore processor with lots of embedded DRAM? I like what I'm hearing.

I'm not at all surprised that they showed assets from other consoles. I'm sure there are/could be two reasons for this. The likely one is no one has had time to develop something they would be willing to show. The other option is if this thing is a true next generation (which by the time it releases it will have been by far the longest console generation yet, so it makes sense), they are happy with everyone (including MS and Sony) writing them off because they think it will be regular graphics, then letting everyone be blown away at TGS'11 or perhaps GDC'12 or something.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']

I'm not at all surprised that they showed assets from other consoles. I'm sure there are/could be two reasons for this. The likely one is no one has had time to develop something they would be willing to show. The other option is if this thing is a true next generation (which by the time it releases it will have been by far the longest console generation yet, so it makes sense), they are happy with everyone (including MS and Sony) writing them off because they think it will be regular graphics, then letting everyone be blown away at TGS'11 or perhaps GDC'12 or something.[/QUOTE]

I think it's the first option. They probably got developer kits like maybe 2 months ago, if that. Plus you have to figure the time required to even show anything. Plus it may just be that this console can do way better than the 360/PS3 and no one had the time to make anything to truly show off the console. I mean it wont be hard considering the PS3/360 are really outdated considering what's out there now.
 
[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']Not sure if this is directed to me or not... but allow me to answer.

NEW CONTENT.

Not a new way to play... NEW CONTENT.

Give me a new character... or a new, remodeled take on a classic. I don't care what it is... it could be a mule that eats gummy-bears to harness it's power. It could be a full-remake of Balloon Fight. Mario is stale. He's been in side-scrollers, 3D environments, space, driving a kart, competing against Sonic at the Olympics, playing soccer, basketball, baseball, golf, even running around with a water-pack strapped to his back so he can clean shit from the streets.

Nintendo needs to invent NEW content. A new story about a new person, animal, shape, plant, something.[/QUOTE]

Link looked pretty badass to me.

Nintendo has a stable of characters that they will always go to. As long as the gameplay is there, what does it matter that it's a familiar name. Call of Duty has the exact same characters every round (they just change the unis). Gears of War and Halo? Same thing.

It seems with the WiiU, Nintendo will bring their stable or horses and third party developers bring theirs. Of course, you'll still complain cause those third party games will have familiar characters as well on the WiiU. You won't complain about Solid Snake on the PS4 but his being on WiiU will be another example of how Nintendo is so sad. :roll:

Perhaps Nintendo is just not for you. Time to move on.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Nintendo's stock went down 5%.[/QUOTE]

And this is basically the only reaction that matters.

In the end they showed us a new controller, and what their system will possibly do by showing footage of games from the other systems.
 
[quote name='confoosious']
Nintendo has a stable of characters that they will always go to. As long as the gameplay is there, what does it matter that it's a familiar name. Call of Duty has the exact same characters every round (they just change the unis). Gears of War and Halo? Same thing.
[/QUOTE]

There's nothing wrong pimping out the staples(I'm always down for Mario, Link & Samus), but where are the new IPs? It's sad to think the last great original Nintendo title/character was 10 years ago with Pikmin.

Nintendo obviously isn't going to bring it when it comes to online or DLC, or anything cutting edge (other than gimmicky controls) so why can't we expect them to "bring it" when it comes to new IPs? It used to be their strength.

Honestly, they never should have let Rare go. They were basically Nintendo 2.0 pumping out cool titles left and right. It was a perfect match pairing with Nintendo's IPs. Certainly a better fit than MS.
 
[quote name='cthomer5000']And this is basically the only reaction that matters.

In the end they showed us a new controller, and what their system will possibly do by showing footage of games from the other systems.
[/QUOTE]

Funny, when Microsoft announced the Xbox, the stock fell 6 bucks in 2 days.

Did that reaction really matter?

Or are we still enjoying lots of cool games?

And I mentioned this before but Microsoft showed off the 360 by showing tech demos of games being played directly on a Mac.

Funny, that.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Link looked pretty badass to me.

Nintendo has a stable of characters that they will always go to. As long as the gameplay is there, what does it matter that it's a familiar name. Call of Duty has the exact same characters every round (they just change the unis). Gears of War and Halo? Same thing.

It seems with the WiiU, Nintendo will bring their stable or horses and third party developers bring theirs. Of course, you'll still complain cause those third party games will have familiar characters as well on the WiiU. You won't complain about Solid Snake on the PS4 but his being on WiiU will be another example of how Nintendo is so sad. :roll:

Perhaps Nintendo is just not for you. Time to move on.[/QUOTE]

My gawd... are you anything other than defensive? You also have the innate ability to misinterpret and misconceive everything I type.

Wii U will be awesome. It's definitely the future. It will destroy everything in it's path... leaving nothing but the raped and pillaged souls of gaming's past. It is a juggernaut to be recognized with... a black horse with bleeding eyes and a mane of fire. Atop the beast is the General, with the ten-inch death dealer clutched between two hands... peering into a window that houses the souls of those slain. He will ride forever, for this battle horse from the depths of Hell will never perish. It will live for as long as the Earth burns, and will ascend to the heavens when there is no longer ground on which to stand. Nothing will stand in it's way. Those who have yet to live are already dead. We must bow to the beasts hooven feet, begging for forgiveness, begging to be spared in the bright light of an extinct future.

Go forth Rider of Darkness... lay thy death dealing weapon of despair upon thy ground. Stand before it, with thy knife of ill-repute clutched in hand, and watch thy sphere as you prepare to... golf.
 
[quote name='confoosious']
And I mentioned this before but Microsoft showed off the 360 by showing tech demos of games being played directly on a Mac.

Funny, that.[/QUOTE]

Apple is not a direct competitor to the Xbox or MS gaming division. It's a PC built with similar specs to the final product so that devs can develop early, and show consumers what the final product will be like. Consoles are basically gimped PCs already, so it's really not that unusual.

That's quite different than simply pulling a PS3 off the shelf, popping in Madden and telling everyone, "hey, look how Madden looks on our new system!" Can you imagine the response if Reggie started with "Have a look at this footage of Ninja Gaiden running on a 360, ours should look pretty close to this." :lol:
 
I seem to recall the stock price taking a dip after the Wii was announced too. Some speculators jump ship after announcements, just sort of par for the course.

Nintendo stock has been battered by the fluctuations in currency in combination with the end of a console lifecycle which causes revenue to fall for several quarters. Fun stuff, but day traders probably dont like the stock.
 
metaphysical - hating on golf now? lol


[quote name='Corvin']Apple is not a direct competitor to the Xbox or MS gaming division. It's a PC built with similar specs to the final product so that devs can develop early, and show consumers what the final product will be like. Consoles are basically gimped PCs already, so it's really not that unusual.

That's quite different than simply pulling a PS3 off the shelf, popping in Madden and telling everyone, "hey, look how Madden looks on our new system!" Can you imagine the response if Reggie started with "Have a look at this footage of Ninja Gaiden running on a 360, ours should look pretty close to this." :lol:[/QUOTE]

seriously? Apple and Microsoft are mortal enemies. It doesn't matter that Apple doesn't have a console division.

It's hardly ideal for nintendo to have a highlight reel of ps3/xbox360 game footage but it's not exactly something that has never been done before, i.e. using another company's tech to show off what you will be able to do. Yet, people are reacting to it like it's the end of the world.


[quote name='foltzie']I seem to recall the stock price taking a dip after the Wii was announced too. Some speculators jump ship after announcements, just sort of par for the course.

Nintendo stock has been battered by the fluctuations in currency in combination with the end of a console lifecycle which causes revenue to fall for several quarters. Fun stuff, but day traders probably dont like the stock.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this type of thing happens all the time. People speculate up to the announcement and then take their profits so the stock dips. This isn't like the dotcom days when every announcement was met with $15 gains. (And even then, people took half that profit off the table the next day.)

But I love how people point to this as "OMGZ, THIS IS AWFUL NEWS FOR NINTENDO AND THE WIIU SUCKS!"
 
Honestly, the ability to play Wii games over an HDMI cable is a huge selling point for me. I didn't have an HDTV for a really long time, so the Wii always looked great. Now that I have an HDTV, even the drop from HDMI to component is jarring. I'm hoping that backwards compatibility will help some of the lesser known Wii games get the recognition they deserve.

The more I think about it, the more confused I become as to why they announced this now. If it's really not coming out until 2012, they've basically blown their wad and allowed the competition to anticipate and respond to what they're doing. I still, too, want to know the actual specs of this thing to see how future proof it is... one of the key things that Nintendo needs to do is assure the consumer that this system won't be irrelevant less than 2 years into its life.

I'd expect an entry point of around $300-350. I honestly don't think Nintendo will release a $400 console, and they learned this gen that being the cheapest console helps. This is all up in the air, though, since a lot can happen by 2012. Rumors of the 720 and PS4 are certain to ramp up, and the 360 and PS3 are almost guaranteed to have a price drop before the Wii U comes out. It's a totally unknown future.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Apple is not a direct competitor to the Xbox or MS gaming division. It's a PC built with similar specs to the final product so that devs can develop early, and show consumers what the final product will be like. Consoles are basically gimped PCs already, so it's really not that unusual.

That's quite different than simply pulling a PS3 off the shelf, popping in Madden and telling everyone, "hey, look how Madden looks on our new system!"
[/QUOTE]
Given the history between the two companies it was darn funny. Understandable since the 360 runs a Power variant, but still funny.

Perhaps we should say consoles are gimped Macs these days. Granted Macs use Intel chips these days, but I'm certain there is a joke in here somewhere...

[quote name='Corvin']Can you imagine the response if Reggie started with "Have a look at this footage of Ninja Gaiden running on a 360, ours should look pretty close to this." :lol:[/QUOTE]

But he basically said as much in interviews immediately following the presentation. I assume while the devs get their code up and running it looks extremely rough and the decision to run with what they had was made.... I dont know if I agree, may have been better just to toss up logos.
 
That's my point though. They're all basically PCs, why not run code off of a PC or Mac? Running it off the competition's hardware is laughable.

[quote name='confoosious']
seriously? Apple and Microsoft are mortal enemies. It doesn't matter that Apple doesn't have a console division.
[/QUOTE]

Maybe in the eyes of the consumer but they coexist just fine. They both have products that work on each other's systems. Hell MS even has a few DS games under its belt. Point is, your misplaced analogy isn't working.
 
[quote name='Corvin']There's nothing wrong pimping out the staples(I'm always down for Mario, Link & Samus), but where are the new IPs? It's sad to think the last great original Nintendo title/character was 10 years ago with Pikmin.

Nintendo obviously isn't going to bring it when it comes to online or DLC, or anything cutting edge (other than gimmicky controls) so why can't we expect them to "bring it" when it comes to new IPs? It used to be their strength.

Honestly, they never should have let Rare go. They were basically Nintendo 2.0 pumping out cool titles left and right. It was a perfect match pairing with Nintendo's IPs. Certainly a better fit than MS.[/QUOTE]

Some of that would be rectified if they would localize some of their more recent efforts.

I also don't really put a whole lot of stock in new IPs necessarily. It would've been nice if Kirby Epic Yarn were a straight up Prince Fluff title, I guess, but then maybe it would've gone over as well as Starfy's US debut.

Rare was fun, but the only loss seems to be that we can't get their old games in the VC.
 
[quote name='Corvin']That's my point though. They're all basically PCs, why not run code off of a PC or Mac? Running it off the competition's hardware is laughable.



Maybe in the eyes of the consumer but they coexist just fine. They both have products that work on each other's systems. Hell MS even has a few DS games under its belt. Point is, your misplaced analogy isn't working.[/QUOTE]

my misplaced analogy? They are both showing off tech running on another's hardware. What's the difference other than your insistence that Microsoft and Apple aren't competitors, which is really laughable.

And how is Nintendo showing xbox/ps3 footage a matter that concerns anyone other than consumers. Do you think any developer or investor with half a brain gives a shit?

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I want to get this perfectly straight:

Nintendo showing what their games would look like next year by showing PS3 and Xbox footage is sad and laughable.

But

Microsoft showing off what their games would look like by demoing them on a G5 is not because Apple and Microsoft are only competitors in the eyes of consumers.

O.... K then.

If you asked Steve Jobs their main competitor, he's gonna say Nokia right?
 
[quote name='confoosious']my misplaced analogy? They are both showing off tech running on another's hardware. What's the difference other than your insistence that Microsoft and Apple aren't competitors, which is really laughable.

And how is Nintendo showing xbox/ps3 footage a matter that concerns anyone other than consumers. Do you think any developer or investor with half a brain gives a shit?[/QUOTE]

Really? Investors won't wonder what will cause consumers to buy a $250+ Wii U over a $200 Xbox 360? Especially if it's the exact same games? And with no mention of how they'll handle multiplayer?
 
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