Nintendo E3 2011 Press Conference - Wii U, Luigi's Mansion 2, Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS

Another thought that just occurred to me: I wonder if they were trying to hype the Wii U as a new controller so they don't tank current Wii sales. In light of the new controller buzz and the recent price cut maybe that's a few more sales.

And just so I'm clear: the Wii U is a new system and whenever we saw the tablet playing Wii games in the video it was just demonstrating backwards compatibility, if anything, right?
 
[quote name='theflicker']Another thought that just occurred to me: I wonder if they were trying to hype the Wii U as a new controller so they don't tank current Wii sales. In light of the new controller buzz and the recent price cut maybe that's a few more sales.

And just so I'm clear: the Wii U is a new system and whenever we saw the tablet playing Wii games in the video it was just demonstrating backwards compatibility, if anything, right?[/QUOTE]

It's possible but I don't think that's what they're doing. It's just too confusing. Hell, all of us were confused during the presser itself. Yes, there is a new system.

I think they're hammering home the fact that the wiimote controllers and the system will be fully backward compatible to keep wii sales alive. That way people see an upgrade path without losing their games and their extra controllers.


[quote name='elessar123']Really? Investors won't wonder what will cause consumers to buy a $250+ Wii U over a $200 Xbox 360? Especially if it's the exact same games? And with no mention of how they'll handle multiplayer?[/QUOTE]

The WiiU isn't on shelves next month.

When Q3 2012 rolls around and nintendo is showing off their playable unit with real WiiU games, do you think the highlight reel will matter at all? I think smart consumers will look at the latest footage in making their purchasing decision and not worry about what happened at E3 2011.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Really? Investors won't wonder what will cause consumers to buy a $250+ Wii U over a $200 Xbox 360? Especially if it's the exact same games? And with no mention of how they'll handle multiplayer?[/QUOTE]
Actually I can see Nintendo's theory on why this would work. After all there was many doubt the original iPad which is an iPod with a bigger screen, no camera and an extra $200 price tag for an 8 GB model (Especially when there was no tablet market before that). Look how well that sold.
 
Smash Bros even has a chance of not being made. Probably a very small chance, but I think Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot this year over and over.

A rep said the controller won't be sold separately.
Wii U currently won't support two Wii U controllers.
Smash Bro doesn't have a development team yet, and has a small chance it won't be made.
No pricing information, at all.
Gives nearly no reason for 360 and PS3 owners a reason to have it.

Why did they bother showing this thing at E3 this year? There's almost no good news yet. They're just giving Sony a head start in copying the scheme with the PS3+Vita.
 
[quote name='elessar123']There is no way in hell this thing will only be $300.[/QUOTE]

And many didn't think the Vita would be as low as $250.

[quote name='Corvin']There's nothing wrong pimping out the staples(I'm always down for Mario, Link & Samus), but where are the new IPs? It's sad to think the last great original Nintendo title/character was 10 years ago with Pikmin.[/QUOTE]

I'd argue that the Miis are new IPs, tho not in the traditional sense.

Nintendo obviously isn't going to bring it when it comes to online or DLC, or anything cutting edge (other than gimmicky controls) so why can't we expect them to "bring it" when it comes to new IPs? It used to be their strength.
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Because there is more than enough IP within Nintendo to last them a long time, probably moreso than any other company. The only reason I could see for new IP is if you have a game concept that doesn't fit the IP you already have.
 
[quote name='confoosious']What were they supposed to do at E3? Skip it?[/QUOTE]

Announce the system, and confirmed games. MS isn't showcasing a new system either, and they're still at E3.

And yes, I'll admit that I didn't think the Vita would be $250, but when has Nintendo ever sold a console at a loss? They follow their tradition so much... Which IMO is what's hurting them. And didn't they confirm it will be more than $250? Which makes my point still valid, because a 360 is still cheaper.
 
"Hey, we've got a new system coming out next year with these games.

Demo? Oh no, no demo. Sorry.

Oh, and Zelda at the end of this year."

Yeah, that'd go over real well.

Microsoft isn't showing their system this year cause it won't be out till 2014 at the earliest.
 
A console without games is worthless. If they can't announce a console without showing off some games for a console, they shouldn't have announced a console. It's been confirmed that Pikmin 3 has been made a Wii U game...show off something from that. The game's been in development for a couple years now...surely they have some footage. IIRC, the only Nintendo game they mentioned for the Wii U was Smash Bros, a game they admitted wasn't even in development yet. Every other game was something I could play on a console I already own. Games I can play on my current consoles aren't going to sell me on a new console.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Smash Bros even has a chance of not being made. Probably a very small chance, but I think Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot this year over and over.

A rep said the controller won't be sold separately.
Wii U currently won't support two Wii U controllers.
Smash Bro doesn't have a development team yet, and has a small chance it won't be made.
No pricing information, at all.
Gives nearly no reason for 360 and PS3 owners a reason to have it.

Why did they bother showing this thing at E3 this year? There's almost no good news yet. They're just giving Sony a head start in copying the scheme with the PS3+Vita.[/QUOTE]

Well everyone is talking about it so I guess that is a good reason to announce now vs when they have actual games to play/pricing/details...

As for Smash Bros, there is no way it wouldn't be their first title to release. Why announce such a popular title and not deliver; that would just be stupid.

As for the stock argument, every new technology has historically caused a drop in company stock, not just gaming.

In all they accomplished their goal... announce a new system, state we have 3rd party support back, and now have people talk about it end on end.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Announce the system, and confirmed games. MS isn't showcasing a new system either, and they're still at E3.

And yes, I'll admit that I didn't think the Vita would be $250, but when has Nintendo ever sold a console at a loss? They follow their tradition so much... Which IMO is what's hurting them. And didn't they confirm it will be more than $250? Which makes my point still valid, because a 360 is still cheaper.[/QUOTE]

Simply announcing a system (as in "hey guys... we have a new system in development. More details in the coming months") would have been more effective than giving a presentation surrounding something that is almost completely still in a concept state. They totally showed the world their hand... one that they're not planning on playing until NEXT YEAR! If I were Sony, Microsoft, or hell, even just some guy with a ton of cash interested in tinkering with console design, this would be the perfect opportunity to kill Nintendo off entirely.

So, in a sense, Nintendo didn't give us enough information regarding the new system, while simultaneously giving away their business strategy for the next year or more. There's a lot wrong with this plan... and I'm sure we can all agree on that.
 
[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']Simply announcing a system (as in "hey guys... we have a new system in development. More details in the coming months") would have been more effective than giving a presentation surrounding something that is almost completely still in a concept state. They totally showed the world their hand... one that they're not planning on playing until NEXT YEAR! If I were Sony, Microsoft, or hell, even just some guy with a ton of cash interested in tinkering with console design, this would be the perfect opportunity to kill Nintendo off entirely.

So, in a sense, Nintendo didn't give us enough information regarding the new system, while simultaneously giving away their business strategy for the next year or more. There's a lot wrong with this plan... and I'm sure we can all agree on that.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo execs have built a mutl-billion dollar company but you two know how to do PR better than them. oh that's rich. :lol: :applause:

You guys should go help Tiger fix his swing too.
 
Nintendo announced this console too early. Nothing is ready for it other than some tech demos, the controller, & the hardware. Even the controller situation is not finished. Announcing games that don't have development even started on them yet. Showing footage from other systems. Okay that last point isn't that bad since they will just be ports with added functionality.

The only reason I can see them showing it this early is that they're not going to be giving much 1st party support to Wii from here on out. Repeating the same shit they've always done in that respect. I doubt WiiU will see release until late 2012 given the situation, unless they release it early with 3rd party upgraded ports and a few low class 1st party games (like Wii Sports amount of content/presentation) at launch (like 3DS).
 
[quote name='confoosious']Nintendo execs have built a mutl-billion dollar company but you two know how to do PR better than them. oh that's rich. :lol: :applause:

You guys should go help Tiger fix his swing too.[/QUOTE]

Why do you always assume people can't make a mistake once established? By your logic, Sega and Atari would still be making consoles, and Hollywood Video, Circuit City, and Montgomery Ward would still be around.

And you're also saying CEOs have degrees in marketing. What a huge blanket statement.

Should I buy you a bucket of KY so you can go stroke Iwata's peen?
 
It looks like Nintendo learned it's lesson. Consoles with gimmicks put them in first place and make them tons of money. As much as it seems like this will turn out to be a bad idea, I have to wonder if they aren't going to somehow pull off a gazillion sales.

To me, the main problem with this isn't the controller since they've shown with the Wii that a different style controller won't impact sales, it's the price and time of release. It's "at least as powerful as 360 and PS3". Is it just me or is that not saying much? If this thing doesn't come out at 199.99, how can they hope to compete against consoles with solid install bases that are just as powerful as it is? This thing is coming out in 2012 and has the power of consoles from 2005 and 2006? Although I look at the original Wii and knowing that it wasn't a huge jump in horsepower, I have to wonder if somehow they can't pull it off.
 
[quote name='typical guy']It looks like Nintendo learned it's lesson. Consoles with gimmicks put them in first place and make them tons of money. As much as it seems like this will turn out to be a bad idea, I have to wonder if they aren't going to somehow pull off a gazillion sales.

To me, the main problem with this isn't the controller since they've shown with the Wii that a different style controller won't impact sales, it's the price and time of release. It's "at least as powerful as 360 and PS3". Is it just me or is that not saying much? If this thing doesn't come out at 199.99, how can they hope to compete against consoles with solid install bases that are just as powerful as it is? This thing is coming out in 2012 and has the power of consoles from 2005 and 2006? Although I look at the original Wii and knowing that it wasn't a huge jump in horsepower, I have to wonder if somehow they can't pull it off.[/QUOTE]

I agree fully, and is mostly the points I'm trying to make as well.

The controller, at minimum for parts, will be about $50. With next to no info about the guts of the Wii U, other than probably a custom Power7 (Watson runs with Power7), and a custom Radeon GPU, and their own version of "bluray"... Selling at cost for just the parts and zero development costs added would probably make this thing about $200 already.

The problem is, of course, the 360 and PS3 launched at $300~$500, and $500-$600 respectively. The Wii U doesn't have the luxury of launching at those prices, especially if it's only "on par", since it'll be 6~7 years since the other two systems launched.
 
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[quote name='elessar123']Why do you always assume people can't make a mistake once established? By your logic, Sega and Atari would still be making consoles, and Hollywood Video, Circuit City, and Montgomery Ward would still be around.

And you're also saying CEOs have degrees in marketing. What a huge blanket statement.

Should I buy you a bucket of KY so you can go stroke Iwata's peen?[/QUOTE]

you understand that the word "execs" isn't limited to the CEO, yes? You know that Nintendo has at least 1 (and possibly many many) "execs" with marketing degrees, yes? They possibly even have a C level exec called the CMO.

Sure, people can make mistakes. The WiiU could be a huge failure. But what exactly are your credentials that you think your opinion of how Nintendo should've handled the WiiU E3 release matters a lick? You're armchair quarterbacking and you've never even played a down in your life.
 
My primary concern isn't how it stacks up against the 360 and PS3, but rather how it'll stack up against their successors. I'm expecting at least one of those successors to come out in 2014. Nintendo will only be competing with the PS3/360 for two years. Given Nintendo likes to sell their stuff for a profit off the bat and Sony/MS are willing to take a loss on hardware....I fear another generation where Nintendo's console ends up being underpowered enough that third-party devs either can't or won't port their stuff to it.
 
I think we are almost at the point where games look pretty good on a 50" screen at 1080p.
And 5, 15, 25 years from now, graphics-wise, they are only going to look marginally better.
If 10 years from now games are coming out that look as badly as Darksiders 2, Arkham City, Halo 4, uncharted 3, etc, do now, and that's a problem, then I think gamers are going to be missing the point about what gaming is.
 
[quote name='confoosious']
Sure, people can make mistakes. The WiiU could be a huge failure. But what exactly are your credentials that you think your opinion of how Nintendo should've handled the WiiU E3 release matters a lick? You're armchair quarterbacking and you've never even played a down in your life.[/QUOTE]

I didn't even say the Wii U will be a failure. I only said Nintendo did the wrong thing at E3, including giving Sony over a year to make Vita at least as good as the Wii U. And hyping games that aren't even set to start development yet.

And your support of Nintendo has as much credibility as my criticism, so I don't really know why you're so quick to discredit me, but not yourself.
 
[quote name='elessar123']I didn't even say the Wii U will be a failure. I only said Nintendo did the wrong thing at E3, including giving Sony over a year to make Vita at least as good as the Wii U. And hyping games that aren't even set to start development yet.

And your support of Nintendo has as much credibility as my criticism, so I don't really know why you're so quick to discredit me, but not yourself.[/QUOTE]

I know you didn't say it would fail. But you presume to know that it'd have been better for Nintendo to announce WiiU with no specifics. Really? And your years of PR and marketing experience are from....?

Like I said, you're armchair quarterbacking with no knowledge at all.
 
New half joking theory: Nintendo is doing this as an elaborate troll to MS/Sony. They know that they will have to respond by launching their own hardware that blows the WiiU away from a technical standpoint. Ergo, they are out billions of dollars (again) that will never be even remotely recovered across the time that the generation lasts.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']New half joking theory: Nintendo is doing this as an elaborate troll to MS/Sony. They know that they will have to respond by launching their own hardware that blows the WiiU away from a technical standpoint. Ergo, they are out billions of dollars (again) that will never be even remotely recovered across the time that the generation lasts.[/QUOTE]

That actually would be hilarious.

Next E3 they just come out with a Wii2 w/ regular controllers.

"Oh, that tablet thing? We just were messing around. You spent billions copying it? Suckers."
 
[quote name='confoosious']I know you didn't say it would fail. But you presume to know that it'd have been better for Nintendo to announce WiiU with no specifics. Really? And your years of PR and marketing experience are from....?

Like I said, you're armchair quarterbacking with no knowledge at all.[/QUOTE]

But you are too, and your armchair quarterbacking of me is, in itself, armchair quarterbacking. So if you discredit me, you discredit yourself, which means mine's no longer discredited due to the paradox =P
 
[quote name='elessar123']But you are too, and your armchair quarterbacking of me is, in itself, armchair quarterbacking. So if you discredit me, you discredit yourself, which means mine's no longer discredited due to the paradox =P[/QUOTE]

I guess you don't know the term armchair quarterbacking.

Have a nice day.
 
[quote name='confoosious']I guess you don't know the term armchair quarterbacking.

Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]

No wonder people don't like you. You can't even apply your own criticism to yourself.
 
[quote name='omster']Wii U is bigger than it seems.

That's a bit surprising. It could be why they didn't showcase the system much during E3, though it is a prototype. I wonder what's hiding in all that space.[/QUOTE]

Oh that's weird. In this screen shot of a hands on video, it's half the size of the one in that link
wiiut.jpg
They described it as letter to legal sized paper in comparison.
 
[quote name='elessar123']No wonder people don't like you. You can't even apply your own criticism to yourself.[/QUOTE]

Really? I'd understand if I called you obtuse and then you called me obtuse. But armchair quarterbacking isn't what I'm doing to you.

Don't worry, I won't argue with you anymore. You don't even know what anything means! You think execs just means the CEO. And I'm afraid to find out what you think armchair quarterbacking mean.
 
[quote name='Mad D']Oh that's weird. In this screen shot of a hands on video, it's half the size of the one in that link
wiiut.jpg
They described it as letter to legal sized paper in comparison.[/QUOTE]

Looks about the same, different angle.
 
[quote name='Cerebral_One']Looks about the same, different angle.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I guess I'm the only one who noticed the Wii U in the original video as it showed live and then in subsequent floor videos. I noticed it had curved edges and was large right away.

In other news stop bitching at each other about nothing and go here:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174592p1.html

3rd party developers' roundtable. And Reggie and Miyamoto are there and Iwata introduced Ubisoft. They are demoing Ubi's first Wii U game right now.

Wii U is going to be awesome. :D
 
Man, a lot of chicken littles here....

First off, if you think Sony and Microsoft didn't have an idea before the show what they were going to show, I have some swampland to sell you. Hell, we knew what they were going to show before the show. The rumors seemed mostly on the money.

As for the other guys stealing Nintendo's thunder, I don't see it. Smart businesses follow their own business plans and don't jump ship just because the other guy showed something shiny. How long did it take before motion control showed up in the other consoles? Last year.

While Sony perhaps could do something like that with the Vita, I don't see them doing it within a year. I don't think we'll see it in two years. You would have to have the tools to do it within the Vita firmware. Then, you'd need a game developer to take advantage of those tools to make a game. In the meantime, Nintendo has been planning this since they started developing this console and it is obvious that they have partners on board who have been working with the preproduction hardware. (Otherwise, you don't announce that certain 3rd party games will be on the console.)

I find the comments of "this kills the Wii" funny, because many of you have declared the Wii dead a long time ago.

BTW, the Move also was announced over a year before it was actually released, with little known about what actual games would be available for it, with a similar sort of demo mode to demonstrate some of it's capabilities. Hell, it wasn't even called the Move at that point.
 
If this is more than $300...then LOL @ them.

I admit that I don't understand emulation, but from a recent post about specs, it doesn't mention anything about GCN support or at least using controllers. How can this play Wii games, but not GCN games..when the Wii could play GCN games? This of course "ruins" some Wii games where players preferred to play with the GCN controller.

I'm also not sure how I feel about only 1 tablet being used. I mean.. right there makes me think all of these multiplayer games are going to be "UNIQUE" and do that "play 1 can see YOU.. BUT YOU CANT SEE WHAT HE'S DOING LULULULULUZZ".. and it'll be fun for a game here and there.. but like "SHAKE CONTROLLER" being the premise of most multiplayer games in the Wii.. it gets tiresome quickly.

I feel that this will be just the Wii, with better graphics (always nice), and someone using a tablet. That's about it.

But again, I still understand we don't know everything. Just concerned by what we know and don't know.
 
I don't see any reason why multiple tablet controls couldn't be used at once if the screens weren't displaying anything.

Then again, that pushes developers to do nothing/gimmicky things with the screen.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']I don't see any reason why multiple tablet controls couldn't be used at once if the screens weren't displaying anything.

Then again, that pushes developers to do nothing/gimmicky things with the screen.[/QUOTE]

That's what I mean. I can see some interesting 1 player games with the tablet. We're guaranteed at least one game that will utilize this whole system perfectly, but will one be enough? LOL

I just feel that every multiplayer game will be "Chase Mii"
 
[quote name='lilboo']That's what I mean. I can see some interesting 1 player games with the tablet. We're guaranteed at least one game that will utilize this whole system perfectly, but will one be enough? LOL

I just feel that every multiplayer game will be "Chase Mii"[/QUOTE]

Or *gasp* online.
 
[quote name='TheLongshot']Well, first exclusive to the Wii U - Killer Freaks From Outer Space.[/QUOTE]

You mean first announced Third Party exclusive besides LEGO : City Stories? Yeah.

It's a FPS that is competitive multiplayer. They are hoping to re-define the genre with this one. Them's big words.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']You mean first announced Third Party exclusive besides LEGO : City Stories? Yeah.[/QUOTE]

It serves me right to not have watched the presentation. You'd think by reading this thread that there weren't any exclusive titles announced.
 
[quote name='TheLongshot']It serves me right to not have watched the presentation. You'd think by reading this thread that there weren't any exclusive titles announced.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, people keep glossing over or ignoring things they don't want to acknowledge because they just want to rip on Nintendo.

It's an open world sandbox game like GTA but with the LEGO Universe. Exclusive to Wii U and 3DS.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/lego-city-stories-exclusive-to-wii-u-3ds/
 
Interesting idea. They have one guy being the alien commander, sending enemies after the hero. I kinda thought that using the new controller as a "DM" controller wasn't a bad idea.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']Just confirmed. Ghost Recon utilizes multiple tablets on one console. One myth/negative debunked![/QUOTE]

Well, the IGN folks suspected there might have been more than one system, so I don't know if it is debunked.
 
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