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[quote name='insertcleverthing']Anyway, I'm sort of conflicted about this game after just recently beating it. I bought it based off the Suda hype (didn't play his previous games) and gametrailers clips alone. I actually liked the open world segments. The minigames weren't too enthralling or anything, but I always got excited after a ranked battle to see what new clothes would be available, etc. As for the combat...meh. The gore and button-mashing was fun for the first few hours, but things got shallow after that. Almost all bosses could be slain by a simple dark slide, a-button combo, wrestling move slam. Speaking of which, most bosses were downright annoying. I played on mild and died 1-2 times per rank almost entirely due to “instant kill” moves. If someone could explain that questionable design decision, I’m all ears. Why should I have to replay some five to ten minute battle because I couldn’t intuitively decipher how to dodge some cheap kill tactic? Am I supposed to be clairvoyant?[/quote]

You actually touch on something else I have yet to vocalize about the game. I'm a huge boss battle fanboy, and while stylistically, I have to give the bosses high marks, they weren't particularly fleshed out as well as they really could be for being the stars of the show. The often absurdly long periods of invulnerability, the insta-kill attacks of varying degrees of "fairness" (With the final, final boss's being really the most acceptable. Never saw Shinobu's, but Bad Girl's was just stupid. Yes, you can see it coming easily. But there's no sense in it doing insta-kill as opposed to massive damage.)... Every single one seemed to devolve into "run circles around them. Shadow-step or d-pad dodge their combos, attack after they attack." A complete lack of creativity in just about anything but the final, final boss. Dead Rising and Shadow of Rome easily did better than this even with fairly limited hack and slash controls. God Hand was no more complicated (PUNCHPUNCHPUNCH GUARD BREAK PUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCH PUMMEL), but still managed a great deal more depth. Viewtiful Joe, too.

Suda clearly has seen the way this sort of gameplay is done. I still think he aped the first final boss from God Hand, so I think he is shooting for a similar style, but his effort here is clearly a virgin attempt at it.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']You actually touch on something else I have yet to vocalize about the game. I'm a huge boss battle fanboy, and while stylistically, I have to give the bosses high marks, they weren't particularly fleshed out as well as they really could be for being the stars of the show. The often absurdly long periods of invulnerability, the insta-kill attacks of varying degrees of "fairness" (With the final, final boss's being really the most acceptable. Never saw Shinobu's, but Bad Girl's was just stupid. Yes, you can see it coming easily. But there's no sense in it doing insta-kill as opposed to massive damage.)... Every single one seemed to devolve into "run circles around them. Shadow-step or d-pad dodge their combos, attack after they attack." A complete lack of creativity in just about anything but the final, final boss. Dead Rising and Shadow of Rome easily did better than this even with fairly limited hack and slash controls. God Hand was no more complicated (PUNCHPUNCHPUNCH GUARD BREAK PUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCH PUMMEL), but still managed a great deal more depth. Viewtiful Joe, too.

Suda clearly has seen the way this sort of gameplay is done. I still think he aped the first final boss from God Hand, so I think he is shooting for a similar style, but his effort here is clearly a virgin attempt at it.
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so what type sof games do you even like?
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']so what type sof games do you even like?[/quote]

The ones mentioned that weren't NMH all get very high marks from me.
 
I let my friend borrow the game after finishing it and I gotta admit...I already miss it. I really want to get rest of shirts and artwork, goddamn I gotta say just overall this game if explained to me I'd be disappointed but overall presentation makes it friggin awesome.
 
anyone else really want some of the Grasshopper shirts that are in the game? I know some are ready for purchase from grasshopper, but not the ones I want. My personal favorite is the black tee that says "GHM" in didgital and looks like a scoreboard to a game with the score set at "515151515151"... it look so nice.

I also want the red soccer jersey that Suda 51 wears at all the press shots... it's in the game as well.
 
It's been 3 weeks and my GameCrazy still has not received shipment of this game. Sucks because I traded in 2 games and preordered (things that I never do) and now they have that get an additional $10 credit deal that I couldn't take advantage of. Did Ubisoft not make enough copies or does GameCrazy just suck (I'm thinking its more of the second).
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']A complete lack of creativity in just about anything but the final, final boss.[/quote]
Wait, what? That was by far the worst boss battle in the game, and the only time in the entire game that I was NOT entertained.

Oh, and a Halo kid is someone who prefers blandness to creativity because the blandness is more popular.

*sigh*
People just have shit taste and I should deal with it, I guess.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']anyone else really want some of the Grasshopper shirts that are in the game? I know some are ready for purchase from grasshopper, but not the ones I want. My personal favorite is the black tee that says "GHM" in didgital and looks like a scoreboard to a game with the score set at "515151515151"... it look so nice.

I also want the red soccer jersey that Suda 51 wears at all the press shots... it's in the game as well.[/QUOTE]
I saw a Japanese site that had some of the shirts but most of them were out of stock. I'd buy a few of the shirts from the game if they were readily available. I like the basic white and blue or red jersey style shirt that just says No More Heroes on it. I'd buy the anime shirts as well.
 
I guess I didn't notice it when it happened and I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread, but... Apparently no one was interested in meeting Goichi Suda, getting his autograph OR free swag.

Seriously... that pisses me off. I've honestly been waiting for this game since last year. I've been buying magazines featuring it since last summer! and I did my own pseudo-Suda-campout to get my copy (it wasn't really necessary to 'camp out'. I just knew when the shipment was coming in and went to the store 20 minutes in advance... pretty cool actually).

I'm not criticizing the Japanese fans, but... I would have given my left nut and half of Strell's right nut for an autographed copy!

And no one was there? So I could get my copy of Contact, Killer7 and El Topo autograhed as well!? I could have bought copies of Michigan and The Silver Case and got them signed...

Let me put it this way - I could done a WHOLE lot of fanboying in a window of 20 minutes uncontested.

Makes me sad.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']I'll go out and say Phoenix Wright is not a great game. Mediocre at best.[/quote]

A defensible position. One that I can understand the logic behind definitely, much moreso than thinking NMH is a superlative game. :p

[quote name='tankexmortis']Wait, what? That was by far the worst boss battle in the game, and the only time in the entire game that I was NOT entertained.[/quote]

This is a position I cannot understand unless you really sucked at it or realized that the dark step counter just isn't particularly fun the umpteenth time.
 
[quote name='tankexmortis']
Oh, and a Halo kid is someone who prefers blandness to creativity because the blandness is more popular.

*sigh*
People just have shit taste and I should deal with it, I guess.[/quote]
I wouldn’t call Halo bland. I’d probably hesitate calling it creative since it ripped off most of its story from a sci-fi novella series (the title of which escapes me… Star-something, I think).

Calling No More Heroes creative might be a stretch, too. Stylish? No doubt! Creative? Debatable… The main hook of the character borders on copyright infringement. Plus, isn’t the whole “joke” of the game supposed to be that it’s an over-the-top parody of anime (crazy characters with ridiculous looks, weapons, and back stories)? I’m not saying the game is bad by any means, but a lot of the praise it has been getting may be undue. Who knows though? Suda might knock it out of the park in the next iteration (or so I hope!). I think it’s definitely in the realm of possibilities at the very least. I just think gamers shouldn’t gloss over the game’s shortcomings. We want him to fix these things come next go ‘round, no? I know I’d be up for round two if all he did was deepen the combat system.

(No comment on the shit taste thing. People just have different opinions, dude. Maybe you should try to see their POV; it might help expand your understanding. Then when you call them an idiot, you know for sure! ;P )
 
[quote name='Rocko']I don't even know how to do this 'dark step'. :/[/quote]

Start by blocking. Once the enemy tries to combo (it's hard to say exactly WHEN but...maybe 3 hits in?) use the Control Stick to double tap left or right.

They enemy will get a "?" and the screen will go dark. Start slashing like crazy - often times it'll dizzy them, go for a throw on most enemies.

You're basically dodging (not with the d pad, but the c stick) an enemy combo.
 
[quote name='Blaine']Start by blocking. Once the enemy tries to combo (it's hard to say exactly WHEN but...maybe 3 hits in?) use the Control Stick to double tap left or right.

They enemy will get a "?" and the screen will go dark. Start slashing like crazy - often times it'll dizzy them, go for a throw on most enemies.

You're basically dodging (not with the d pad, but the c stick) an enemy combo.[/quote]

So that's how you do that. I always tried dodging with the control pad when an enemy went to attack me in hopes that I could do that type of doge, but it never worked. That would explain why. Thanks!
 
[quote name='Rocko']So that's how you do that. I always tried dodging with the control pad when an enemy went to attack me in hopes that I could do that type of doge, but it never worked. That would explain why. Thanks![/quote]

No problem. Remember, you can dark step combos - you can't dark step charge moves (boss or otherwise) because they can break your guard.
 
Dark Stepping the final final boss's main combo can be done with 100% success simply by mashing the control stick left while he is attacking. You will dark step EVERY TIME before he does the unblockable part of the combo. Turns the entire battle into child's play since the only other attack he has that will hit you is the damn instant-fire charge.

You can also do this on earlier bosses, with varying degrees of success. Bad Girl's combos are rarely long enough for a Dark Step to get in. The first final boss has the same problem, but it is much easer to deal with that boss by just d-pad dodging into walls so you can stay where you are but still get the invincibility.

EDIT: In fact, without Dark Step, I imagine with final, final boss goes from child's play to just stupid, an endurance match of either sniping from afar or d-pad dodging with lenient enough timing to be plausible, but tough enough timing to be unreasonable to score 500+ hits on.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']Dark Stepping the final final boss's main combo can be done with 100% success simply by mashing the control stick left while he is attacking. You will dark step EVERY TIME before he does the unblockable part of the combo. Turns the entire battle into child's play since the only other attack he has that will hit you is the damn instant-fire charge.

You can also do this on earlier bosses, with varying degrees of success. Bad Girl's combos are rarely long enough for a Dark Step to get in. The first final boss has the same problem, but it is much easer to deal with that boss by just d-pad dodging into walls so you can stay where you are but still get the invincibility.[/quote]

I rarely dark stepped the last boss. Maybe twice or three times the entire fight. I don't know why I couldn't get the timing right, maybe because I was more focused on getting my evade dodge timing right to avoid the unblockable portion of his combo, I would just mess it up every time.

Needless to say, the fight took a LONG time.

EDIT: You added another edit to your post which reflects exactly what I had to do. I found out that if you evaded (left or right) on his first jumping move - not the final, unblockable move - near the end of his combo, he would land just next to you without hitting you. Then you could punish the bejeezus out of him. I have no idea how many hits it took, but it was a lot.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']Dark Stepping the final final boss's main combo can be done with 100% success simply by mashing the control stick left while he is attacking. [/quote]

Now while it is true that you can Dark Step, pretty easily - however on more than 1 occasion I did the following:

1) Dark Step him while he's in the air. Consequently not all strikes hit him.
2) Dark Step him, but he blocks really early in the combo after I land only 5 strikes or so.
3) Dark Step him, but then wind up too far away to get the full allotment of strikes (I darkstepped one way as he advanced in the opposite direction).

So while, you can, yeah. You'd still do best to time it properly so you can actually land your full combo.

Not a huge deal... if you don't, then you just do 3 more dark steps and kill him.

The final boss was, in my opinion, nowhere near as hard as the #1 assassin.

It actually took me more tries to do the stupid "Jump your motorcycle off the pier*" mission then it took to beat you-know-who.

*Apparantly, I was flicking the wiimote waaaay too late.
 
[quote name='Blaine']Now while it is true that you can Dark Step, pretty easily - however on more than 1 occasion I did the following:

1) Dark Step him while he's in the air. Consequently not all strikes hit him.[/quote]

I actually pulled this off more times than a regular Dark Step.
 
You guys were having trouble with the Dark Steps? I just made sure that I was taking his combo and mashing the stick and much more often than not I'd get the Dark Step off on the third blocked swing, well before he does the jump slashes.
 
I have to say I'm now rank 3 I think and the games just getting dissappointing. The boss stages aren't fun the bosses aren't really all that fun. The part time jobs keep getting more and more boring and pointless and the assasination missions are starting to feel terribly rehashed. That coupled with very little to purchase save overly expensive clothes for the most part makes the game start losing its flare quickly. I was really enjoying the wiimote use and style at the beginning but once the game really gets going its repetitive and a lot less fun once you get over the style. Also the guy who made the map on this game should SO be fired the things freaking horrid!
 
The third rank boss disappointed me.

I wish they would've put the pseudo-boss fights farther apart. They're a nice break, but I really look forward to the boss fights, and in the past three boss fights I've only gotten 1 boss fight.
 
Just wondering, but why is Gamespot's score on the title?

Desperate to show a 9/10 score no matter who it's from?

Would've chosen IGN's or 1up's myself....
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Just wondering, but why is Gamespot's score on the title?

Desperate to show a 9/10 score no matter who it's from?

Would've chosen IGN's or 1up's myself....[/quote]

I would have chosen the gamerankings average which is 8.5...
A few places gave it higher than a 9 (G4 gave it a perfect score) so it's not like he took the one good review.
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Just wondering, but why is Gamespot's score on the title?

Desperate to show a 9/10 score no matter who it's from?

Would've chosen IGN's or 1up's myself....[/quote]
And here's the definition of trolling.
 
[quote name='yukine']GameSpot is still the superior site over IGN/1UP, that's why.[/quote]
Despite the whole firing one of their reviewers over giving a low score to Kane and Lynch fiasco...
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Just wondering, but why is Gamespot's score on the title?

Desperate to show a 9/10 score no matter who it's from?

Would've chosen IGN's or 1up's myself....[/quote]

Of course the OP is going to show off the high score, but it isn't that far off from the general consensus.
 
Zen Davis PMed me and pointed out Gamespots high score. The title had Famitsu's high review a week before that. I thought since Gamespot gives out usually lower reviews on Wii games than other media outlets, that it was noteworthy. Putting review scores in the OP title is just to get people to see what the fuss is about. Sort of moot now as most of the people chatting it up in this thread have the game already.
 
so i just got some extra money and was wondering if its this is worth buyin now or i should keep waiting for a sale?

i can get it for $25 with target gc or burn my BB money :lol:
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']Zen Davis PMed me and pointed out Gamespots high score. The title had Famitsu's high review a week before that. I thought since Gamespot gives out usually lower reviews on Wii games than other media outlets, that it was noteworthy. Putting review scores in the OP title is just to get people to see what the fuss is about. Sort of moot now as most of the people chatting it up in this thread have the game already.[/quote]

Famitsu's score was up before, wow, well at least it's an upgrade maybe. Famitsu is almost the eastern equivalence to Gamespot.

I'd get the game, it's just a 9/10 from Gamespot isn't going to convince me. A 7.8 from IGN or EGM would do more to convince me. I don't trust gamespot, I usually don't agree with them especially after the big controversy.

Hell, x-play would be better.
 
[quote name='Nelo Ice']so i just got some extra money and was wondering if its this is worth buyin now or i should keep waiting for a sale?

i can get it for $25 with target gc or burn my BB money :lol:[/quote]

Yes. If we're going by personal opinion - It's worth buying at $50.
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Famitsu's score was up before, wow, well at least it's an upgrade maybe. Famitsu is almost the eastern equivalence to Gamespot.

I'd get the game, it's just a 9/10 from Gamespot isn't going to convince me. A 7.8 from IGN or EGM would do more to convince me. I don't trust gamespot, I usually don't agree with them especially after the big controversy.

Hell, x-play would be better.[/quote]

You've got to be kidding. Sorry to derail this thread further but...

Famitsu is notorious for giving really high review scores, which is the opposite of GameSpot. IGN is a lot more like Famitsu in the way that they throw the 9/10 or 10/10 out like nothing.

When a game from GameSpot gets a 9.0+ it's usually going to be a pretty damn good game since their scores tend to be lower than IGN's or 1UP's inflated scores.

And regarding the whole Gerstmann controversy, while the higher-ups who run CNET may be corrupt I still think the editors at GameSpot are some of the most credible and honest in their reviews. It's not like GameSpot gave a shitty game a good score based on the revenue money, it was the opposite. And correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't IGN been found to give inflated scores to shitty games when they run ads for said game all over their site? Hell... while GameSpot might have ads for certain games all over their site, at least they don't advertise in games that they plan on reviewing. Talk about a conflict of interest.

DON'T get me wrong though, once this rumored site of former GameSpot editors comes to fruition I'm jumping ship. Not too many good editors at GameSpot anymore, although Kevin is becoming a pretty good reviewer. But in the mean time, I'll take reviews from GameSpot over other sites any day.
 
[quote name='yukine']You've got to be kidding. Sorry to derail this thread further but...

Famitsu is notorious for giving really high review scores, which is the opposite of GameSpot. IGN is a lot more like Famitsu in the way that they throw the 9/10 or 10/10 out like nothing.

When a game from GameSpot gets a 9.0+ it's usually going to be a pretty damn good game since their scores tend to be lower than IGN's or 1UP's inflated scores.

And regarding the whole Gerstmann controversy, while the higher-ups who run CNET may be corrupt I still think the editors at GameSpot are some of the most credible and honest in their reviews. It's not like GameSpot gave a shitty game a good score based on the revenue money, it was the opposite. And correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't IGN been found to give inflated scores to shitty games when they run ads for said game all over their site? Hell... while GameSpot might have ads for certain games all over their site, at least they don't advertise in games that they plan on reviewing. Talk about a conflict of interest.

DON'T get me wrong though, once this rumored site of former GameSpot editors comes to fruition I'm jumping ship. Not too many good editors at GameSpot anymore, although Kevin is becoming a pretty good reviewer. But in the mean time, I'll take reviews from GameSpot over other sites any day.[/quote]

The reason they're both alike is they both aren't to be trusted. Gamespot can surely overrate games, and they can underrate games too. They never actually get it right you see.

Even if money weren't a factor like it is now for GS, they'd still be underrating and overrating because they seem to always get the wrong type of people to review games. Unlike IGN who actually get people who like the genre review 100% of the time.

Let's see examples:

Powerstone was a great game.

Gamespot underrates like always: 7.6 for it While IGN gives it a much deserved 8.7

How about some more recent BS from Gamespot!:

Kingdom Hearts 2 gets an 8.7 by GS!! Clearly a good game, but it didn't deserve that.

And IGN, "the site that inflates their scores according to you", gives it an honest 7.6.

The list goes on with them overrating launch 360 games like PDZ, underrating nintendo games like Mario Kart 64, and then some.

Now I'm not saying IGN is perfect, but out of the game review sites they're basically your best shot. I rarely ever disagree with them to the extent I do with Gamespot.

In fact I used to like Gamespot more, but I started to slowly compare the reviews of a lot of games I played, and I knew IGN was the one.
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Let's see examples...
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Depending on how much you trust the internet hate machine as a whole, there's a fairly easy way to tell how accurate a sites reviews are. Check with gamerankings to see how far off the average they are.

IGN: Difference: 0.7%
Gamespot:Difference: -1.7%
Game Informer:Difference: 0.9%
EGM: Difference: -4.2%

Going by that alone you can kinda see how a review site averages out compared to everyone else. They're all fairly close with Gamespot and EGM being, on average, a lower score than everyone else (note that it's a small margin but this is over 4000+ reviews, so it's a fair average).

So one really can't say "X site gives really low scores" and "Y site gives really high scores" because they're all averaging out to be about the same.

People just notice when certain game scores don't jibe, not realizing that it all evens out.

Anything else is just perception - IGN may seem to give different scores than Gamespot, but in reality there's a 1/100th of a difference.
 
[quote name='Blaine']Depending on how much you trust the internet hate machine as a whole, there's a fairly easy way to tell how accurate a sites reviews are. Check with gamerankings to see how far off the average they are.

IGN: Difference: 0.7%
Gamespot:Difference: -1.7%
Game Informer:Difference: 0.9%
EGM: Difference: -4.2%

Going by that alone you can kinda see how a review site averages out compared to everyone else. They're all fairly close with Gamespot and EGM being, on average, a lower score than everyone else (note that it's a small margin but this is over 4000+ reviews, so it's a fair average).

So one really can't say "X site gives really low scores" and "Y site gives really high scores" because they're all averaging out to be about the same.

People just notice when certain game scores don't jibe, not realizing that it all evens out.

Anything else is just perception - IGN may seem to give different scores than Gamespot, but in reality there's a 1/100th of a difference.[/quote]

1/100th of a difference or not, there's still a difference. And when you're spending 60 dollars on games that seemingly small difference should matter to you.

When you average it out, sure they may make them all seem to be alike, but IGN has still been the most accurate for me.
 
Can we please stop talking about review sites and get back on topic?

To answer Nelo Ice's question, I also think this is worth buying now. Go for it.
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Famitsu's score was up before, wow, well at least it's an upgrade maybe. Famitsu is almost the eastern equivalence to Gamespot.

I'd get the game, it's just a 9/10 from Gamespot isn't going to convince me. A 7.8 from IGN or EGM would do more to convince me. I don't trust gamespot, I usually don't agree with them especially after the big controversy.

Hell, x-play would be better.[/quote]

If the review score from a website in the topic of a thread title is going to convince you to buy the game or not, you need to re-evaluate your reasons for buying games.

I mean, really, you're just bitching for bitching's sake. It's a game that the OP likes, so of course he is going to promote it, and rightfully so. You can check out all the other reviews and make your own decision. There's no need to come in here and whine about what scores are where and whose scores are better.
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']1/100th of a difference or not, there's still a difference.[/quote]

Unfortunately not when most of them use whole numbers for reviews. Hypothetical Game gets an 8.1 from Site 1 and an 8.2 from Site 2.

That's 1/100th. But since most sites just go with a whole number system, they both give it an 8.

The 1/100th means that, with whole numbers, if you compare a batch of 100 games that one review, for one game was one point lower/higher.

[quote name='leveskikesko']
When you average it out, sure they may make them all seem to be alike, but IGN has still been the most accurate for me.[/quote]

And that's why I said:


[quote name='Blaine']
Anything else is just perception[/quote]

Because it's not a real difference, it's just the way one person (for this example, you) is perceiving reality. So any argument you put forth is the same as me saying "Butterscotch is the best and if you don't agree you're wrong".

It's an opinion, based in no tangible facts. You're welcome to it - just so long as you don't try to sell it as an immutable truth. Because it's not.
 
[quote name='Rocko']If the review score from a website in the topic of a thread title is going to convince you to buy the game or not, you need to re-evaluate your reasons for buying games.

I mean, really, you're just bitching for bitching's sake. It's a game that the OP likes, so of course he is going to promote it, and rightfully so. You can check out all the other reviews and make your own decision. There's no need to come in here and whine about what scores are where and whose scores are better.[/quote]

Bitching about people bitching, classic.

I just felt the need to voice my opinion since this is kind of message board and all. Now that I have I'm done with it, and I agree the bulk of the thread should be about how great the game is.

I plan on getting No More Heroes, in fact IGN is what really convinced me despite it being a much lower score. The review made it sound like a lot fun.
 
[quote name='leveskikesko']Bitching about people bitching, classic.

I just felt the need to voice my opinion since this is kind of message board and all. Now that I have I'm done with it, and I agree the bulk of the thread should be about how great the game is.

I plan on getting No More Heroes, in fact IGN is what really convinced me despite it being a much lower score. The review made it sound like a lot fun.[/quote]

And you're bitching more. We can go on like this all day with no end.

You're just 'voicing your opinion' to rile things up.
 
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