In this thread we had cons "argue" insurance companies are doing an ok job, insurance companies should be protected from the big bad government and that they shouldn't have to justify them skimming off the top. This was before you got to the "lol hitler" nonsense or the cons who LITERALLY argued we should let poor sick people die.
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You know, I bet we could lock everyone into Government Approved Padded Cells, feed them only Government Approved Nutrition Rations, force them to exercise for the Government Required amount of time each day and only allow them Government Approved reading materials and I bet we could save more lives than this health care bill.
I guess for some, where "saving lives" is the singular goal, this plan would meet with their approval.
I guess for some, where "saving lives" is the singular goal, this plan would meet with their approval.
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[quote name='camoor']No the borg were an enemy you could respect. Especially Locutus.
You are more like the bastard offspring of the Ferengi and the Cardassians[/QUOTE]
There is a big difference between fear and respect.
Okay so I am a bastard are you a religious zealot?
Are you racist? You don't like mixed breeding?
Be careful your membership pin is showing.
You are more like the bastard offspring of the Ferengi and the Cardassians[/QUOTE]
There is a big difference between fear and respect.
Okay so I am a bastard are you a religious zealot?
Are you racist? You don't like mixed breeding?
Be careful your membership pin is showing.
[quote name='UncleBob']You know, I bet we could lock everyone into Government Approved Padded Cells, feed them only Government Approved Nutrition Rations, force them to exercise for the Government Required amount of time each day and only allow them Government Approved reading materials and I bet we could save more lives than this health care bill.
I guess for some, where "saving lives" is the singular goal, this plan would meet with their approval.[/QUOTE]
And has anyone here advocated for that type of program?
[quote name='Pliskin101']There is a big difference between fear and respect.
Okay so I am a bastard are you a religious zealot?
Are you racist? You don't like mixed breeding?
Be careful your membership pin is showing.[/QUOTE]
AHAHAHAHA...I can't believe you just went there. Someone that can't understand insitutional racism and claim that protesting for due process is a self-serving agenda. You take the
ing cake and might just win troll of the year...and that's a pretty tall ing order.
I guess for some, where "saving lives" is the singular goal, this plan would meet with their approval.[/QUOTE]
And has anyone here advocated for that type of program?
[quote name='Pliskin101']There is a big difference between fear and respect.
Okay so I am a bastard are you a religious zealot?
Are you racist? You don't like mixed breeding?
Be careful your membership pin is showing.[/QUOTE]
AHAHAHAHA...I can't believe you just went there. Someone that can't understand insitutional racism and claim that protesting for due process is a self-serving agenda. You take the
ing cake and might just win troll of the year...and that's a pretty tall ing order.[quote name='dohdough']And has anyone here advocated for that type of program?[/QUOTE]
Providing a poor child with medicine to keep them alive, same thing!
Meanwhile, if you don't take it under careful consideration and/or point howing insane it is. Then the we are just being mean for no reason.
Providing a poor child with medicine to keep them alive, same thing!
Meanwhile, if you don't take it under careful consideration and/or point how
ing insane it is. Then the we are just being mean for no reason.[quote name='dohdough']And has anyone here advocated for that type of program?[/QUOTE]
Did I say one has?
Meanwhile, we get the usual suspects laying it on thick about how any idea is better than no idea, without any consideration as to how bad the idea might be or the "it saves lives!" line (which, of course, there is no proof it will do any such thing, but all you could do at this point is offer projections and estimates) - which is fine if your singular goal is saving lives, without regards to anything else ever.
Did I say one has?
Meanwhile, we get the usual suspects laying it on thick about how any idea is better than no idea, without any consideration as to how bad the idea might be or the "it saves lives!" line (which, of course, there is no proof it will do any such thing, but all you could do at this point is offer projections and estimates) - which is fine if your singular goal is saving lives, without regards to anything else ever.
[quote name='dohdough']Yeah, it's not like it didn't turn into a conservative hissy fit about tautologies or anything...[/QUOTE]
Speaking of...
If a healthcare thread isn't about saving lives then what else should it be about?
Costs are a canard because Universal Systems are cheaper.
The con "Argument" is that we should spend more on a system that helps people less because of "lol communism" or principled stands based on principles they just invented 20 minutes ago..
Speaking of...
If a healthcare thread isn't about saving lives then what else should it be about?
Costs are a canard because Universal Systems are cheaper.
The con "Argument" is that we should spend more on a system that helps people less because of "lol communism" or principled stands based on principles they just invented 20 minutes ago..
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Look out folks.... The end is near. There is a monopoly on saving lives.
We have reached a population of billions but only with one select self-appointed group guiding the way. We have them and them alone to thank for being the ones that teach us all about the precious commodity of life. Without their guidance and if left to our own individual accord there would be a river of blood in the streets. For without these saviors the goodness of ALL people or the individual does not exist. There way is the only way and we are all evil and want wish for everyone to die.
If you dont belong to _____ group/party then you are evil.
We have reached a population of billions but only with one select self-appointed group guiding the way. We have them and them alone to thank for being the ones that teach us all about the precious commodity of life. Without their guidance and if left to our own individual accord there would be a river of blood in the streets. For without these saviors the goodness of ALL people or the individual does not exist. There way is the only way and we are all evil and want wish for everyone to die.
If you dont belong to _____ group/party then you are evil.
[quote name='dohdough']So what would be the opposite equivalent of that proposal then?[/quote]
Somalia.
This is why we need to come up with the happy medium between an every-man-for-himself setup that some fools seem to think all conservatives want and the government-controlled padded-room lifestyles proposed above.
What this is going to take, however, is some reasonable realization that, short of the government-controlled padded-rooms, there's going to be some risks involved. Some people's minds might be too simple to comprehend that. This is where you get the "Oh noes, you want to let people just die." lines of tripe that do nothing to help further the conversation.
If someone seriously purposed the padded rooms and, to any objections you raised, they stuck their fingers in their ears shouting "Oh noes, you want to let people just die.", you'd have a hard time taking them seriously as well.
Somalia.
This is why we need to come up with the happy medium between an every-man-for-himself setup that some fools seem to think all conservatives want and the government-controlled padded-room lifestyles proposed above.
What this is going to take, however, is some reasonable realization that, short of the government-controlled padded-rooms, there's going to be some risks involved. Some people's minds might be too simple to comprehend that. This is where you get the "Oh noes, you want to let people just die." lines of tripe that do nothing to help further the conversation.
If someone seriously purposed the padded rooms and, to any objections you raised, they stuck their fingers in their ears shouting "Oh noes, you want to let people just die.", you'd have a hard time taking them seriously as well.
That's an awfully big word you've now repeated twice since Myke brought it up. Feels good?
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[quote name='Pliskin101']There is a big difference between fear and respect.
Okay so I am a bastard are you a religious zealot?
Are you racist? You don't like mixed breeding?
Be careful your membership pin is showing.[/QUOTE]
Did I strike a nerve? Were you a big fan of the fascist Cardassian empire? Did you really get a boner for Ferengi? LMAO
Okay so I am a bastard are you a religious zealot?
Are you racist? You don't like mixed breeding?
Be careful your membership pin is showing.[/QUOTE]
Did I strike a nerve? Were you a big fan of the fascist Cardassian empire? Did you really get a boner for Ferengi? LMAO
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[quote name='Msut77']Speaking of...
If a healthcare thread isn't about saving lives then what else should it be about?
Costs are a canard because Universal Systems are cheaper.
The con "Argument" is that we should spend more on a system that helps people less because of "lol communism" or principled stands based on principles they just invented 20 minutes ago..[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the truth is that it burns them up that absolutely destitute people get free medical care at a hospital. Burns them up.
If a healthcare thread isn't about saving lives then what else should it be about?
Costs are a canard because Universal Systems are cheaper.
The con "Argument" is that we should spend more on a system that helps people less because of "lol communism" or principled stands based on principles they just invented 20 minutes ago..[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the truth is that it burns them up that absolutely destitute people get free medical care at a hospital. Burns them up.
[quote name='camoor']Yeah, the truth is that it burns them up that absolutely destitute people get free medical care at a hospital. Burns them up.[/QUOTE]
Government can do health care cheaper and better than the market. They are so ideologically twisted they can't accept reality. Hence the mental gymnastics and refusal to even entertain an actual argument.
Government can do health care cheaper and better than the market. They are so ideologically twisted they can't accept reality. Hence the mental gymnastics and refusal to even entertain an actual argument.
[quote name='UncleBob']Somalia.
This is why we need to come up with the happy medium between an every-man-for-himself setup that some fools seem to think all conservatives want and the government-controlled padded-room lifestyles proposed above.
What this is going to take, however, is some reasonable realization that, short of the government-controlled padded-rooms, there's going to be some risks involved. Some people's minds might be too simple to comprehend that. This is where you get the "Oh noes, you want to let people just die." lines of tripe that do nothing to help further the conversation.[/quote]
Your ideological ilk aren't proposing anything of any value and only bitch about MAH TAXES. Saying that we shouldn't throw any more money at the problem is equally useless when you chuckleheads aren't even considering a universal system considering the flak that PPACA, a conservative plan with parts from an actual conservative think tank, gets shouted down asing socialism and communism.
If we're going to continue with the system we have and expand coverage, it's going to require money. There's no other way to do it. And if you keep things the same or reduce coverage, then you expect people to just die. This is not an exaggeration, but the actual reality of it.
You have a serious problem with scale if you think padded rooms is the equivalent of MAH TAXES, but I would deride them just as heavily. Not to mention that fascism is a tool of the right.
yourself." You act as if It's like I never used the concept before he used the word.
This is why we need to come up with the happy medium between an every-man-for-himself setup that some fools seem to think all conservatives want and the government-controlled padded-room lifestyles proposed above.
What this is going to take, however, is some reasonable realization that, short of the government-controlled padded-rooms, there's going to be some risks involved. Some people's minds might be too simple to comprehend that. This is where you get the "Oh noes, you want to let people just die." lines of tripe that do nothing to help further the conversation.[/quote]
Your ideological ilk aren't proposing anything of any value and only bitch about MAH TAXES. Saying that we shouldn't throw any more money at the problem is equally useless when you chuckleheads aren't even considering a universal system considering the flak that PPACA, a conservative plan with parts from an actual conservative think tank, gets shouted down as
ing socialism and communism. If we're going to continue with the system we have and expand coverage, it's going to require money. There's no other way to do it. And if you keep things the same or reduce coverage, then you expect people to just die. This is not an exaggeration, but the actual reality of it.
Purposed is different from proposed. Nice typo there buddy.
You have a serious problem with scale if you think padded rooms is the equivalent of MAH TAXES, but I would deride them just as heavily. Not to mention that fascism is a tool of the right.
I could also say that you should go perfrom sexual intercourse with yourself, but its easier to just say "go
yourself." You act as if It's like I never used the concept before he used the word.
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[quote name='dohdough']Purposed is different from proposed. Nice typo there buddy.[/QUOTE]
Ahahah I love it when you beat a troll at his own game. Noice!
[/QUOTE]Ahahah I love it when you beat a troll at his own game. Noice!
[quote name='camoor']Ahahah I love it when you beat a troll at his own game. Noice![/QUOTE]
The funniest thing about it is that he used the right word in several posts including that one, but brainsharted on particular use after wanting to paint me as a moran in several posts for making simple mistakes that everyone makes. Next thing you know, we're going to be derailed into the definition of "typo."
The funniest thing about it is that he used the right word in several posts including that one, but brainsharted on particular use after wanting to paint me as a moran in several posts for making simple mistakes that everyone makes. Next thing you know, we're going to be derailed into the definition of "typo."
[quote name='camoor']Yeah, the truth is that it burns them up that absolutely destitute people get free medical care at a hospital. Burns them up.[/QUOTE]
It comes back to "I didn't get help, I pulled myself from nothing (usually a lie) and did it myself, nobody helped me!"
See, it's just bitterness pure and simple. They're bitter because they feel like they're getting a raw deal, that "their money" is going to help people when nobody helped them (also often a lie). Bitter people always have a "go yourself" attitude when it comes to helping others. I'm honestly sorry they're so bitter too, I'm sorry that they've (supposedly) had things so hard. It's too bad that no one was there to help them, or that they refused it, but that doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer because of them.
It comes back to "I didn't get help, I pulled myself from nothing (usually a lie) and did it myself, nobody helped me!"
See, it's just bitterness pure and simple. They're bitter because they feel like they're getting a raw deal, that "their money" is going to help people when nobody helped them (also often a lie). Bitter people always have a "go
yourself" attitude when it comes to helping others. I'm honestly sorry they're so bitter too, I'm sorry that they've (supposedly) had things so hard. It's too bad that no one was there to help them, or that they refused it, but that doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer because of them.[quote name='Clak']It comes back to "I didn't get help, I pulled myself from nothing (usually a lie) and did it myself, nobody helped me!"
See, it's just bitterness pure and simple. They're bitter because they feel like they're getting a raw deal, that "their money" is going to help people when nobody helped them (also often a lie). Bitter people always have a "go yourself" attitude when it comes to helping others. I'm honestly sorry they're so bitter too, I'm sorry that they've (supposedly) had things so hard. It's too bad that no one was there to help them, or that they refused it, but that doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer because of them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's sad because people like them are exactly the ones that would be helped. It's like the Stockholm Syndrome for Just World Theory.
See, it's just bitterness pure and simple. They're bitter because they feel like they're getting a raw deal, that "their money" is going to help people when nobody helped them (also often a lie). Bitter people always have a "go
yourself" attitude when it comes to helping others. I'm honestly sorry they're so bitter too, I'm sorry that they've (supposedly) had things so hard. It's too bad that no one was there to help them, or that they refused it, but that doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer because of them.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's sad because people like them are exactly the ones that would be helped. It's like the Stockholm Syndrome for Just World Theory.
Wow. Quite the hand holding going on in this thread this morning...
[quote name='dohdough']The funniest thing about it is that he used the right word in several posts including that one, but brainsharted on particular use after wanting to paint me as a moran in several posts for making simple mistakes that everyone makes. Next thing you know, we're going to be derailed into the definition of "typo."[/QUOTE]
As I stated in the beginning, the issue before is trying to use a word to call me stupid that you couldn't spell. Not a typo nazi by any means - you're just the same as the "Get a brain, Morans" guy. Cut from the same cloth.
[quote name='dohdough']The funniest thing about it is that he used the right word in several posts including that one, but brainsharted on particular use after wanting to paint me as a moran in several posts for making simple mistakes that everyone makes. Next thing you know, we're going to be derailed into the definition of "typo."[/QUOTE]
As I stated in the beginning, the issue before is trying to use a word to call me stupid that you couldn't spell. Not a typo nazi by any means - you're just the same as the "Get a brain, Morans" guy. Cut from the same cloth.
[quote name='Clak']Basically, it's why some toothless yocal in Alabama would still vote republican. I assume you saw that episode of Real Time.[/QUOTE]
I did. It's interesting to see how the system failed both groups in different ways, not that it should be news of course.
That toothless guy is actually a great example of why we need expanded coverage of heathcare. It's far cheaper to pay for cleanings every 3 months than extracting all his teeth, obvious gum surgery, crowns, and dentures, which would also improve quality of life. Hell, I bet his severe gum disease alone is giving him major health issues which add even more costs to his care. But hey, MAH TAXES amiright?
off topic: I've been meaning to bump the Maher thread, but I figured it'd be a little redundant considering the "traffic" we've been getting lately. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ed Helms is a libertarian though...LOLZ.
I did. It's interesting to see how the system failed both groups in different ways, not that it should be news of course.
That toothless guy is actually a great example of why we need expanded coverage of heathcare. It's far cheaper to pay for cleanings every 3 months than extracting all his teeth, obvious gum surgery, crowns, and dentures, which would also improve quality of life. Hell, I bet his severe gum disease alone is giving him major health issues which add even more costs to his care. But hey, MAH TAXES amiright?
off topic: I've been meaning to bump the Maher thread, but I figured it'd be a little redundant considering the "traffic" we've been getting lately. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ed Helms is a libertarian though...LOLZ.
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[quote name='dohdough']Yeah, it's sad because people like them are exactly the ones that would be helped. It's like the Stockholm Syndrome for Just World Theory.[/QUOTE]
Stockholm Syndrome for Just World Theory. That just about sums it up.
Stockholm Syndrome for Just World Theory. That just about sums it up.
[quote name='UncleBob']Fun times. I wonder what some of you folks think about the idea that the African slaves were stupid for rebelling from their white masters who provided them with so much.
Didn't they realize how great it was when everything was provided for them? [/QUOTE]
I was wondering when someone was going to toss out the "TAXES ARE SLAVERY" trope. I had a sneaking suspicion it was going to be you, but it wouldn't have surprised me if it was one of the other trolls.
Didn't they realize how great it was when everything was provided for them? [/QUOTE]
I was wondering when someone was going to toss out the "TAXES ARE SLAVERY" trope. I had a sneaking suspicion it was going to be you, but it wouldn't have surprised me if it was one of the other trolls.
[quote name='dohdough']Just like how you deny the context and implication because it works against your argument.
edit: It also makes you look like a racist asshole. Congrats![/QUOTE]
You mean the implication that it's pretty crappy and condesending to act like you're offering the lowly, pathetic slobs such great things, but they're just too dang ignorant to recognize the awesomeness of the gifts you're trying to bestow upon them?
edit: It also makes you look like a racist asshole. Congrats![/QUOTE]
You mean the implication that it's pretty crappy and condesending to act like you're offering the lowly, pathetic slobs such great things, but they're just too dang ignorant to recognize the awesomeness of the gifts you're trying to bestow upon them?
[quote name='UncleBob']You mean the implication that it's pretty crappy and condesending to act like you're offering the lowly, pathetic slobs such great things, but they're just too dang ignorant to recognize the awesomeness of the gifts you're trying to bestow upon them?[/QUOTE]
You compared your ideological brethren to African slaves that were kidnapped and shipped on vessels like sardines while comparing those that propose expanded coverages to slavers.
We have a problem when people like SgtMurder and HaloSucks get banned, but trolls like Pliskin don't.
You compared your ideological brethren to African slaves that were kidnapped and shipped on vessels like sardines while comparing those that propose expanded coverages to slavers.
We have a problem when people like SgtMurder and HaloSucks get banned, but trolls like Pliskin don't.
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[quote name='UncleBob']Fun times. I wonder what some of you folks think about the idea that the African slaves were stupid for rebelling from their white masters who provided them with so much.
Didn't they realize how great it was when everything was provided for them? [/QUOTE]
You think that living in a nation with an individual mandate will put you on par with someone who was enslaved?
You are disgusting!
Didn't they realize how great it was when everything was provided for them? [/QUOTE]
You think that living in a nation with an individual mandate will put you on par with someone who was enslaved?
You are disgusting!
[quote name='UncleBob']I can't help but wonder who is missing the point just to miss the point and who really doesn't get it.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you're projecting to me, but I'm probably just butthurt over your usual superior analogies that are so layered, you can climb to heaven on them.
Or I know, how about you spell it out for us. You obviously know that we're dumb, so you need to explain it with as much detail as possible.
Btw, it's condescending, not condesending. You're welcome.
Sounds like you're projecting to me, but I'm probably just butthurt over your usual superior analogies that are so layered, you can climb to heaven on them.
Or I know, how about you spell it out for us. You obviously know that we're dumb, so you need to explain it with as much detail as possible.
Btw, it's condescending, not condesending. You're welcome.
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but bob just compared the federal government to slave masters and those who are helped by it to slaves. Saying basically, that those helped by the government should rebel against their masters?
I don't even know wtf he's talking about, I just know that he's sunk to a new low.
I don't even know wtf he's talking about, I just know that he's sunk to a new low.
[quote name='clak']I don't even know wtf he's talking about, I just know that he's sunk to a new low.[/QUOTE]
I think he means this.
[quote name='UncleBob']You mean the implication that it's pretty crappy and condesending to act like you're offering the lowly, pathetic slobs such great things, but they're just too dang ignorant to recognize the awesomeness of the gifts you're trying to bestow upon them?[/QUOTE]
But go ahead run with the slavery analogy instead of interpreting what you know he means.
I think he means this.
[quote name='UncleBob']You mean the implication that it's pretty crappy and condesending to act like you're offering the lowly, pathetic slobs such great things, but they're just too dang ignorant to recognize the awesomeness of the gifts you're trying to bestow upon them?[/QUOTE]
But go ahead run with the slavery analogy instead of interpreting what you know he means.
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[quote name='UncleBob']I can't help but wonder who is missing the point just to miss the point and who really doesn't get it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah if it's so easy to explain away then why don't you explain it? The answer is you can't.
You really stepped in it this time UB.
Yeah if it's so easy to explain away then why don't you explain it? The answer is you can't.
You really stepped in it this time UB.
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[quote name='dohdough']Btw, it's condescending, not condesending. You're welcome.[/QUOTE]
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The fact that he made this analogy and considers it reasonable it yet further proof why he's not worth interacting with.
Positively repugnant and without any sense of shame.
Positively repugnant and without any sense of shame.
[quote name='mykevermin']The fact that he made this analogy and considers it reasonable it yet further proof why he's not worth interacting with.
Positively repugnant and without any sense of shame.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure how you think the analogy is shameful. I am going to take a crack at what he means, feel free to correct me if I am wrong UncleBob.
For one I think it is safe to say that he was bringing up the ridiculousness of people saying that "slaves should be happy that they were brought over" and comparing it to people saying that "you guys are stupid if you don't want this or that provided by the government, you are just corporate pawns"
Yes one is an extreme version, but he isn't agreeing with the first statement, nor is he saying that we would be slaves to the government, but more dependent on it.
The more dependent we are on the government the more corrupt people can abuse us. Social Security is one prime example of tax dollars that have a single purpose but are exploited by both parties and we have zero control of it.
Positively repugnant and without any sense of shame.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure how you think the analogy is shameful. I am going to take a crack at what he means, feel free to correct me if I am wrong UncleBob.
For one I think it is safe to say that he was bringing up the ridiculousness of people saying that "slaves should be happy that they were brought over" and comparing it to people saying that "you guys are stupid if you don't want this or that provided by the government, you are just corporate pawns"
Yes one is an extreme version, but he isn't agreeing with the first statement, nor is he saying that we would be slaves to the government, but more dependent on it.
The more dependent we are on the government the more corrupt people can abuse us. Social Security is one prime example of tax dollars that have a single purpose but are exploited by both parties and we have zero control of it.
[quote name='camoor']Yeah if it's so easy to explain away then why don't you explain it? The answer is you can't.
You really stepped in it this time UB.[/QUOTE]
Oh noes... I've stepped in it now. The same ol' folks who work to stir crap up and twist my words are.... working to stir crap up and twist my words.
I'll cry into my pillow tonight, that's for sure.
It's been explained. I can't help it if you're still confused.
You really stepped in it this time UB.[/QUOTE]
Oh noes... I've stepped in it now. The same ol' folks who work to stir crap up and twist my words are.... working to stir crap up and twist my words.
I'll cry into my pillow tonight, that's for sure.
It's been explained. I can't help it if you're still confused.
[quote name='Knoell']I think he means this.
But go ahead run with the slavery analogy instead of interpreting what you know he means.[/QUOTE]
SOB, if he wants to say something let him come out and say it. When you use analogy it's open to interpretation. Be blunt if you want someone to know wtf you're trying to say. Pretentious little fop....
But go ahead run with the slavery analogy instead of interpreting what you know he means.[/QUOTE]
SOB, if he wants to say something let him come out and say it. When you use analogy it's open to interpretation. Be blunt if you want someone to know wtf you're trying to say. Pretentious little fop....
[quote name='UncleBob']Oh noes... I've stepped in it now. The same ol' folks who work to stir crap up and twist my words are.... working to stir crap up and twist my words.
I'll cry into my pillow tonight, that's for sure.
It's been explained. I can't help it if you're still confused.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like someone is having a problem with being taken at face value because he was implying something.
I'll cry into my pillow tonight, that's for sure.
It's been explained. I can't help it if you're still confused.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like someone is having a problem with being taken at face value because he was implying something.
[quote name='Msut77']Like I said. At this point I blame the mods.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Blame is all on those of you who still respond to people like Bob and Knoell.
The forum is nigh unreadable as it's just mostly two or three people repeatedly arguing with those two over the same types of shit ad nauseum.
The overarching issue is a lack of any well-educated/well-informed people on the right posting regularly. Hard to have debates when the right posters are all ideologues who just care about their values and beliefs and don't care about being informed, looking at things more objectively, looking at evidence and facts rather than values and beliefs etc.
Nope. Blame is all on those of you who still respond to people like Bob and Knoell.
The forum is nigh unreadable as it's just mostly two or three people repeatedly arguing with those two over the same types of shit ad nauseum.
The overarching issue is a lack of any well-educated/well-informed people on the right posting regularly. Hard to have debates when the right posters are all ideologues who just care about their values and beliefs and don't care about being informed, looking at things more objectively, looking at evidence and facts rather than values and beliefs etc.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']The overarching issue is a lack of any well-educated/well-informed people on the right posting regularly.[/QUOTE]
Or is it just the overarching issue is a lack of any well-educated/well-informed people on the right.
Is it a surprise that when the right becomes anti-intellectual, the illiterati feel emboldened?
Recently it seems like anyone on the right with half-a-brain have headed for the hills.
Or is it just the overarching issue is a lack of any well-educated/well-informed people on the right.
Is it a surprise that when the right becomes anti-intellectual, the illiterati feel emboldened?
Recently it seems like anyone on the right with half-a-brain have headed for the hills.
That is sadly true for the most part. Just saw something about a study finding conservatism linked with "low effort thinking." There are still some smart and informed conservatives out there--David Brooks is one that jumps to mind--who you can read their work and while usually disagreeing with them can still respect them for having an informed and well thought out position most of the time.
But those are the exceptions to the rules sadly. Most just rant purely on ideology, religious morals etc. I have no interest in that, even from people on the left that I agree with. Frankly, I don't give a damn about other people's values, morals, opinions etc. I'm only interested in having objective debates over the facts of issues, not what people think or believe should be done based solely on their opinions and world views.
But those are the exceptions to the rules sadly. Most just rant purely on ideology, religious morals etc. I have no interest in that, even from people on the left that I agree with. Frankly, I don't give a damn about other people's values, morals, opinions etc. I'm only interested in having objective debates over the facts of issues, not what people think or believe should be done based solely on their opinions and world views.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']That is sadly true for the most part. Just saw something about a study finding conservatism linked with "low effort thinking." There are still some smart and informed conservatives out there--David Brooks is one that jumps to mind--who you can read their work and while usually disagreeing with them can still respect them for having an informed and well thought out position most of the time.
But those are the exceptions to the rules sadly. Most just rant purely on ideology, religious morals etc. I have no interest in that, even from people on the left that I agree with. Frankly, I don't give a damn about other people's values, morals, opinions etc. I'm only interested in having objective debates over the facts of issues, not what people think or believe should be done based solely on their opinions and world views.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. When I vote I want the best person for the job. We have a representative democracy because our founders believed in the concept of leaders who rose above the fray.
I really don't think tea party folks truly understand why Palin is so ridiculed.
It's because she's not a true leader, she's a mouthpiece for ignorant country bumkins. She can wear all the prada she likes, it's just putting lipstick on the pig farmer.
But those are the exceptions to the rules sadly. Most just rant purely on ideology, religious morals etc. I have no interest in that, even from people on the left that I agree with. Frankly, I don't give a damn about other people's values, morals, opinions etc. I'm only interested in having objective debates over the facts of issues, not what people think or believe should be done based solely on their opinions and world views.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. When I vote I want the best person for the job. We have a representative democracy because our founders believed in the concept of leaders who rose above the fray.
I really don't think tea party folks truly understand why Palin is so ridiculed.
It's because she's not a true leader, she's a mouthpiece for ignorant country bumkins. She can wear all the prada she likes, it's just putting lipstick on the pig farmer.
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