Official 2011-12 NFL Regular Season Thread

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Kyle Orton has been cut by the Broncos, which is an odd decision. Yahoo points out three teams (Chicago, Houston, and Kansas City) that could pick him up to replace injured QBs and two of them are on the Broncos' remaining schedule to potentially ruin whatever playoff chances they may have. Miami could also pick him up now that they don't have to give up anything for him. There's a list that mentions Indy, but I don't see any reason to spend money on him when they're not going anywhere and they already have a QB.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuNoYUPLD_R5dc.emeKHiis5nYcB?slug=ap-broncos-ortonwaived

Kyle Orton has been cut by the Broncos, which is an odd decision. Yahoo points out three teams (Chicago, Houston, and Kansas City) that could pick him up to replace injured QBs and two of them are on the Broncos' remaining schedule to potentially ruin whatever playoff chances they may have. Miami could also pick him up now that they don't have to give up anything for him. There's a list that mentions Indy, but I don't see any reason to spend money on him when they're not going anywhere and they already have a QB.[/QUOTE]

It would be funny if he ends up back in Chicago. I guess that makes the Mighty Quinn the #2 guy behind Tebow now?
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuNoYUPLD_R5dc.emeKHiis5nYcB?slug=ap-broncos-ortonwaived

Kyle Orton has been cut by the Broncos, which is an odd decision. Yahoo points out three teams (Chicago, Houston, and Kansas City) that could pick him up to replace injured QBs and two of them are on the Broncos' remaining schedule to potentially ruin whatever playoff chances they may have. Miami could also pick him up now that they don't have to give up anything for him. There's a list that mentions Indy, but I don't see any reason to spend money on him when they're not going anywhere and they already have a QB.[/QUOTE]

Not sure what the Broncos are thinking. They could have traded him in the offseason. They could have traded him at the deadline. They could have waited until the end of the year in case Tebow stops winning or gets hurt. Considering the Broncos are very much in the AFC West race this is a completely boneheaded move. You have to question the front office on this. Cut him to save less than 3 million dollars when you're contending for the division. Dumb dumb dumb.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Orton 11-17 as a starter for the Broncos. Tebow is 4-1 this year. Orton has done absolutely nothing for Denver, I fail to see what part of their move is dumb.[/QUOTE]
It's dumb to just use the record as the only indicator of quality. He had a great season last year, but the defense was so terrible that he would've needed to be the best QB in the league by far with one of the best seasons ever just to outscore his terrible defense. By your measure, Tim Tebow is a better QB than John Elway because he has a better record through their first eight starts.

Last season, the Denver defense gave up an average of 29.4 points per game, which would require Kyle to get four TDs per game to be keep them in the game since they had no running game last year. He's a good QB, but he's not able to overcome those kinds of glaring issues like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning can.

The reason it's a dumb move is that they could potentially make an upcoming game much tougher on themselves and if they kept him for the rest of the season, they'd get a compensatory draft pick when he signs somewhere else. Now, they'll get nothing if he signs somewhere. It's not really the Broncos' job to help out other teams, as they're supposed to get every advantage possible. I'm hoping that Chicago or Kansas City does pick him up so that he can beat them for making such a poor move.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Orton 11-17 as a starter for the Broncos. Tebow is 4-1 this year. Orton has done absolutely nothing for Denver, I fail to see what part of their move is dumb.[/QUOTE]

Using overall win/loss record would make Cam Newton one of the worst QBs in the league...
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Orton 11-17 as a starter for the Broncos. Tebow is 4-1 this year. Orton has done absolutely nothing for Denver, I fail to see what part of their move is dumb.[/QUOTE]

It's the timing of the move. Like I said, they should have done this either before the season, before the trade deadline or not at all.

Orton's record and start to this season don't reflect his talents as a quarterback. The fact of the matter is, Denver just gave up one of the best back ups (and likely starter once claimed) in the league for nothing. They are competing for the division, why give up a quality back up (and starter on other teams) when you're a game behind. If Tebow goes down for any reason who would you rather have behind center; Quinn or Orton?

[quote name='jello44']They were doing him a favor by releasing him, especially with a few teams needing a quarterback, like yesterday.[/QUOTE]

the nfl is a competition, not a nice guy contest.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']If Tebow goes down for any reason who would you rather have behind center; Quinn or Orton? [/QUOTE]

Quinn. He at least gives his team something to play for. Orton was just fine with losing.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Kansas City beats Denver in their last game of the season, knocking them out of the playoff race. I can see it now.[/QUOTE]

I really hope they meet in the last week with the division on the line. That would be fantastic.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']It's dumb to just use the record as the only indicator of quality. He had a great season last year, but the defense was so terrible that he would've needed to be the best QB in the league by far with one of the best seasons ever just to outscore his terrible defense. By your measure, Tim Tebow is a better QB than John Elway because he has a better record through their first eight starts.

Last season, the Denver defense gave up an average of 29.4 points per game, which would require Kyle to get four TDs per game to be keep them in the game since they had no running game last year. He's a good QB, but he's not able to overcome those kinds of glaring issues like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning can.

The reason it's a dumb move is that they could potentially make an upcoming game much tougher on themselves and if they kept him for the rest of the season, they'd get a compensatory draft pick when he signs somewhere else. Now, they'll get nothing if he signs somewhere. It's not really the Broncos' job to help out other teams, as they're supposed to get every advantage possible. I'm hoping that Chicago or Kansas City does pick him up so that he can beat them for making such a poor move.[/QUOTE]

The afternoon sports radio show was all over the Chiefs for making what he called such a horrible move. The host (Kevin Keitzman for anyone that might listen to Sports Radio 810 WHB) just spit out his win/loss record and proclaimed him to be a pathetic loser. When he left Chicago he actually had a great record if you're simply judging him on win/loss record alone.

I agree with Frisky, to bash him simply on his record is stupid. All Denver has done since he's arrived is take his weapons away. Last year he was scoring points in bunches but the defense could not hold a lead. If you just look at win/loss record the Rex Grossman would have been the MVP of the 2006 season when the Bears made it to the Superbowl primarily on the strength of their defense.

EDIT: IMHO it's a stupid move by both teams. Denver for dropping a QB right into the lap of a division rival and KC because it's wasted money. Obviously Orton isn't going to be the future and their odds of winning the division this year are slim. Why not play out the season with Stanzi/Palko and evaluate them?
 
Kansas City is only paying about $1.5 million for Orton for the rest of a season in which they think they still have a shot and at worst, they'll get a pick out of it for their troubles. At least they put their money where their mouth is rather than giving up and play the two unqualified youngsters.
 
The Chiefs are only 2 games behind Oakland. If it works it works. If not fuck it. Orten's contract is only for this season and the Chiefs got the money to spend so why not?
 
Hey guys if you are going to watch the Lions game, the tv ad I worked on will play during it. Its an NFL films play 60 ad.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Suh can say what he wants, but he's dirty. Stupid and selfish penalty there.[/QUOTE]

For sure, what a stupid stupid move.

Doesn't look too good for the Lions now with him getting ejected and all the other injuries today.
 
False alarm everyone. Feel feel to continue to not give a shit about a shitty Detroit thanksgiving game again and spend some time with the family.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Suh can say what he wants, but he's dirty. Stupid and selfish penalty there.[/QUOTE]
His post game excuses were unbelievable. He was just trying to get up and get away. :roll:
 
They should suspend him for the season. Maybe then he will get it.

His excuse was insulting. Dude, it may surprise you to learn that this game was on TV. Everyone saw it.
 
The major inactives for the Browns today are S TJ Ward, DE Jayme Mitchell and FB Owen Marecic. Both Hillis and Hardesty are active for today's game and are expected to play.
 
That was a disappointing loss to see as the WRs alone were the reason that the Browns lost the game. So many dropped passes by Greg Little and the rest of that group killed several drives.
 
I'm not sure why Andy Reid would go for it on 4th and 1 on the 3 when you're down by 18. You're going to need two TDs and a FG either way, assuming you can stop NE from scoring anymore. Why not take the pretty much guaranteed three points now?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I'm not sure why Andy Reid would go for it on 4th and 1 on the 3 when you're down by 18. You're going to need two TDs and a FG either way, assuming you can stop NE from scoring anymore. Why not take the pretty much guaranteed three points now?[/QUOTE]

Cause it's easier to score from the 3 and then he only has to get inside the 40 to be able to kick a fg. So instead of having to drive all the way to the end zone 2 two more times he would only have to go to end zone once and inside 40 once.
 
I actually want SD to lose this just so Tebow can continue to troll the entire Nfl with how bad he is and watch how the media eats it up
 
[quote name='renique46']I think the league should call any bone head call getting Norv'd[/QUOTE]


I couldn't believe in overtime the Chargers were content to just run the ball three times and settle for a very iffy 50+ yard FG. Not one passing attempt to try to give your kicker a realistic shot at it?

Looks like things will be very dicey down the stretch for the Bears without Cutler. I've been so up and down on my team this year. I thought we were dead after we we dominated by cheap shot artist "Suh"nami and then the team rattles off 5 straight, I'm feeling pretty good about snagging a wild card spot, and then Cutler goes down and Hanie does not fill in very well.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']I couldn't believe in overtime the Chargers were content to just run the ball three times and settle for a very iffy 50+ yard FG. Not one passing attempt to try to give your kicker a realistic shot at it?
[/QUOTE]

After the timeout before the first attempt (which was blocked), I was scared Novak was going to make the kick.
 
Oh San Diego. You really aren't going to ever win a Superbowl are you?

*sigh*

I hope there's a decent coach somewhere to replace Norv. I don't want to see him get replaced by some random scrub but I haven't done any research into who might be available. Firing Marty Shottenheimer (spelling?) after they lost to a very good Patriots that year was so fucking stupid.
 
[quote name='jello44']After the timeout before the first attempt (which was blocked), I was scared Novak was going to make the kick.[/QUOTE]

Looked like he had the distance but hooked it a bit. Yeah, that would have really sucked for Denver if they would have negated the block and on the second kick have SD make it.
 
The Steelers are trying to give this game away to the Chiefs but they will have non of it! They just keep turning it right back over to Pittsburgh...
 
[quote name='Chitown021']I couldn't believe in overtime the Chargers were content to just run the ball three times and settle for a very iffy 50+ yard FG. Not one passing attempt to try to give your kicker a realistic shot at it?
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Dont forget before OT, Norv showing how he is the expert in challenges by wasting a timeout challenging a good catch thus leaving them with only 1 timeout instead of 2 on perhaps a better final drive before OT ever occured.

[quote name='Halo05']Oh San Diego. You really aren't going to ever win a Superbowl are you?

*sigh*

I hope there's a decent coach somewhere to replace Norv. I don't want to see him get replaced by some random scrub but I haven't done any research into who might be available. Firing Marty Shottenheimer (spelling?) after they lost to a very good Patriots that year was so fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]

Didnt they have that game won if that moron (forgot the name) would have just fallen down and not get stripped like a dumb ass allowing New England to come back in the first place.
 
My Chiefs disappoint again! Palko and his numerous interceptions and I have to give props to Bowe for not even trying for that last catch. Least the defense put up a fight...
 
[quote name='renique46']

Didnt they have that game won if that moron (forgot the name) would have just fallen down and not get stripped like a dumb ass allowing New England to come back in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Maybe. All I remember is that the loss wasn't some unexpected outcome. The Patriots have been really good for ages and losing to them should not be something that triggers the firing of a coach. Without resorting to wikipedia, I think that was the same year that the Chargers were 14-2 in the regular season. Why you'd mess with that formula is beyond me.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I'm not sure why Andy Reid would go for it on 4th and 1 on the 3 when you're down by 18. You're going to need two TDs and a FG either way, assuming you can stop NE from scoring anymore. Why not take the pretty much guaranteed three points now?[/QUOTE]

That assumes the Eagles were going to be able to stop the Patriots from scoring again, something they hadn't done all day. If the Pats hadn't taken their foot off the gas, they probably would have hung 50 on the board.

In that situation it's desperate either way, but you pretty much have to be scoring TDs if you even want half a prayer of making it a game. It was the right call to go for it - it's the playcall that was terrible. Letting Vince Young throw a fade route with almost no chance of completion versus giving the ball to the NFL's leading rusher to gain about a foot and a half was a headscratcher.
 
After costing them two wins in the past three weeks, the Browns have waived long snapper Ryan Pontbriand, who had the second longest tenure of any Brown since they returned to the NFL. Not really a surprise to see him get the boot.

In injury news, Scott Fujita is on the IR now with a broken hand, which could be a bigger deal if Kaluka Maiava will be out for the next game as the next LB in line on the depth chart. I'd guess that Titus Brown would be next in line if that is the case. DE Emmanuel Stephens is also out for the rest of the year, though I haven't been paying attention to why he's been starting in place of Jayme Mitchell.
 
No mention of Del Rio getting fired and the Jaguars getting sold? I'm bettin' the race is on between the Vikings and the Jaguars to see who goes to LA.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']What were they chanting earlier? Fire Andy?[/QUOTE]
It's not Andy's fault they suck, remember when Philly lost to my Niners? :applause:
 
The Vikings moving would be a shame and the Jags staying would be a worse shame. Jacksonville, Florida in no way should have a team.
 
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