Official 2011-2012 NBA Season thread

Wow, what year is it again? Because Duncan looked like a 28 year old out there. Wow...

As for the flopping and bad officiating, unfortunately...and this is not news to anyone...the NBA cares way more about putting on a good show than they do about basketball. Over the years, it's become more akin to professional wrestling than an actual sport.
 
Worst time to try to do your best Lebron impersonation Kobe.

That being said its amazing how overrated and lucky Okc is, the more i see them play their stagnant half court offense the more i wouldn't even be surprised if they didn't even make it to the finals. Those fluke wins can only get them so far. Hell if Cuban wasn't a typical dumbass and allowed his team to get worse in the off season instead of simply retaining Chandler i doubt Okc is even in the 2nd round to begin with.
 
Talk about bailing a team out...Bynum at one point was like 2-14 but had 15 points all off free throws. Kobe has 15 plus free throws. Lots of ticky tack fouls going the Lakers way. 37 total free throws last I counted.

There should never be a time in which a team is getting 40 points from the line...that means you are calling it way to tight. I love how you can be 9 for 25 and wind up with over 30 points....that is fucking horrid.

Jesus they ended the game with 42 free throws....the average team scores like 102 points....thats almost half. Sigh.......I hate basketball more and more ever year.
 
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Considering how much Bynum has been pushed in the back, hacked and overall abused the same way howard gets abused he should have been to the line twice as much. Okc got away with alot of shit too Harden proving yet again hes a piece of shit flopper getting people in foul trouble everytime he touches the ball he eithers head flops or flops in general to get to the line or puts the ball in his armpit like hes a running back and just walks to the rim from the 3 point line. Seriously this flopping shit is getting ridiculous, the nba needs to stop making it so obvious who they want in the finals (okc/miami) when they let shit like this slide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AYM9GkmO2Ao#!


West probably wanted to lay lebron out and i wouldn't even mind if he did.
 
Get the hell out of here. Harden drives to the basketball all the time...thats not a flop.

I am fucking sick of the whole flopping topic....the basketball court is only 94 god damn feet long...you have 3 fucking refs that all stand at most 8 ft away from any given play. The problem has been and always will be how shitty the refs are. No team ever should be able to score anywhere close to half their points from free throws.

I just cant get into the NBA anymore when it seems like ever other game comes down to this. The refs need to grow so balls and call the game the same for all players.
 
Harden also travels alot when he drives to the basket Mavs fans know all about that. Still don't understand how Stern can claim flopping is a problem yet all he does is talk and never addresses shit i mean this shit isnt new, but yet refs were so quick so give Artest a technical when he didnt even do anything just trying to get a jump ball called yet westbrook was the one acting like hes 6 years old.
 
I am pretty close to being done with the nba. It seems like every other game is decided by either non calls or too many calls.


I also like how the whole betting nba ref who was fixing games was forgotten so quickly. Good job ESPN you can talk about born born for 20 hrs straight but you buried that story quick.
 
[quote name='renique46']Harden also travels alot when he drives to the basket Mavs fans know all about that. Still don't understand how Stern can claim flopping is a problem yet all he does is talk and never addresses shit i mean this shit isnt new, but yet refs were so quick so give Artest a technical when he didnt even do anything just trying to get a jump ball called yet westbrook was the one acting like hes 6 years old.[/QUOTE]

I love how he now claims it to be a problem but he is the one that created it. Why wouldn't players flop when they know they can win a title doing it? D Wade got a bazillion free throws in 06 doing it and that was the playoffs that was the genesis for all this stupid bullshit. People can feel free to disagree but there is no reason any team should score 101 points and have 49 free throws.

Oh and look how long it took them to remove that stupid rip through shit that KD and a ton of other people used to death last year. Stern has no happy medium and either messes with the offense or the defense too much.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I love how he now claims it to be a problem but he is the one that created it. Why wouldn't players flop when they know they can win a title doing it? D Wade got a bazillion free throws in 06 doing it and that was the playoffs that was the genesis for all this stupid bullshit. People can feel free to disagree but there is no reason any team should score 101 points and have 49 free throws.

Oh and look how long it took them to remove that stupid rip through shit that KD and a ton of other people used to death last year. Stern has no happy medium and either messes with the offense or the defense too much.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, Stern is by far one of the worst commish in all of sports. He has made the game of basketball a joke.

Duuurrr we are going to fine players for flopping...durrrr. I dont know..why dont you just hire refs that have the balls to actually call a real game. They are only standing 5ft away from any given play.There is no way in the world a playoff game should contain that many free throws.No other sport allows so much subjective interpretation then basketball. Also...why dont you try not hiring 60+ year old refs?


I want them to get rid of the pump fake...jump into the defender and then pretend that you have been shot ala Paul Perice. Who is the single biggest flopper in the league based on that one move. When you get someone to bite your reward should be to easily drive past them or time your jump to get a clear shot...not a instant foul created from contact by the offense. fucking retarded.
 
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Duuurrr we are going to fine players for flopping...durrrr. I dont know..why dont you just hire refs that have the balls to actually call a real game. They are only standing 5ft away from any given play.There is no way in the world a playoff game should contain that many free throws.


I want them to get rid of the pump fake...jump into the defender and then pretend that you have been shot ala Paul Perice. Who is the single biggest flopper in the league based on that one move. When you get someone to bite your reward should be to easily drive past them or time your jump to get a clear shot...not a instant foul created from contact by the offense. fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]

1) So you want the refs to call a real game but don't want a shit ton of foul shots? So basically, you want the refs to not call anything this side of murder on the court? I'm tired of shit calls, but fouls and contact happen in basketball, especially playoff basketball. It's the way it's always been. Don't know what they could do about it, but your solution won't solve it.

2) That second thing makes no sense from a competition standpoint. You want the other team in foul trouble so they have to play their subs and to take players out of rhythm. If they bite on the pump, you go for the and-1, that's the reward for the defense making a mistake. The worse thing that happens is you miss the shot and get two at the free throw line. Why go for a plain jump shot if you can get the and-1/two at the line and why go for the drive if you give the defense the opportunity to rotate and defend the shot? I'll agree the acting is bad, but the actual play is legitimate. The rip-through was having the offense creating contact, but the defense is purely at fault if they bite the pump fake, they should be penalized.
 
You didn't elaborate enough in your first post for 1. I agree with your second statement on the subject.

As for two, we're talking to plays here and thats the confusion. You're insisting that every defensive player jumps straight up and thats it (They don't) and I'm insisting that they jump out every time (They don't). Its a mixture. You're right in your regard, I'm right in my regard. If a defensive player jumps out and the offensive player doesn't avoid the contact, its a foul. If the defensive player jumps straight up and the offensive player creates contact that should be an offensive foul. Lets be real here though, for every one like yours there is one like mine and it all boils down to the problem you list: inconsistent refereeing. I'm against it too. Always have been. Won't change anytime soon, as long as Stern is involved. Silver isn't going to be that great either though.
 
[quote name='advanced']You didn't elaborate enough in your first post for 1. I agree with your second statement on the subject.

As for two, we're talking to plays here and thats the confusion. You're insisting that every defensive player jumps straight up and thats it (They don't) and I'm insisting that they jump out every time (They don't). Its a mixture. You're right in your regard, I'm right in my regard. If a defensive player jumps out and the offensive player doesn't avoid the contact, its a foul. If the defensive player jumps straight up and the offensive player creates contact that should be an offensive foul. Lets be real here though, for every one like yours there is one like mine and it all boils down to the problem you list: inconsistent refereeing. I'm against it too. Always have been. Won't change anytime soon, as long as Stern is involved. Silver isn't going to be that great either though.[/QUOTE]

Correct in all accounts. Although I am going to continue to post shitty calls because I am in the mood to do so.:lol:
 
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[quote name='Soodmeg']
Examples, assigning fouls to improper players on purpose so that star players (not named Dwight Howard) can stay in the game. Letting superstars get away with more fouls/non calls then everyone else. E.G. Crab walking, phantom fouls (if kobe misses a shot it must be a foul...it cant be that he just missed a shot or got blocked). Just a game or 2 ago you had KG clearly fouling AI on the last play and what did every media outlet do? Complain that they know its a foul but it shoudnt be called. You have 3 refs and infinite amounts of video with instant replays...hire a 4th ref to quickly look at what actually happen on video and get more calls right. [/quote]
Better.

[quote name='advanced']1) So you want the refs to call a real game but don't want a shit ton of foul shots? So basically, you want the refs to not call anything this side of murder on the court? I'm tired of shit calls, but fouls and contact happen in basketball, especially playoff basketball. It's the way it's always been. Don't know what they could do about it, but your solution won't solve it.[/quote]
Contact... you mean the one where Lebron runs over a defensive player in position and a foul gets called on the defensive guy? Contact... you mean the one where a small NBA player puts a slight hand on Blake Griffin and somehow he flys across the court (you know like the Jackie Chan Finger Flick, except on a 250+ lbs pure muscle man)? When the shit actually finally gets called, i.e. the famous KG moving screen (in the 80s, this was a foul; today it is "legal" so a noncall), the ref gets shit since it pretty much ended a game.

You want to see contact. Look at the glory days (i.e. 80s/early 90s). For instance, take the Thomas/Dumars/Laimbeer Pistons. Watch one of those games and take a drink for all the "fouls" that would have been in today's game that weren't called. I guarantee you will have alcohol poisoning.

2) That second thing makes no sense from a competition standpoint. You want the other team in foul trouble so they have to play their subs and to take players out of rhythm.
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Oh poor me, players actually have to play REAL basketball. :roll: When star players start getting called for stuff, trust me they will start to learn to play by the rules.
 
While we are on the subject of shitty refs can someone explain to be why Crawford is allowed to do this?
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[quote name='lordopus99'] I guarantee you will have alcohol poisoning.
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Look, I can take a single sentence, take it out of context and tear it down too!

Seriously though, when the player jumps INTO the shooter, its a foul. Don't defend bad defense. You should be for it anyway, what with all the three point chucking the Magic do and closeouts.

As for the KG thing, it got shit on because they haven't been calling it consistently. All of a sudden the refs found their whistle in a HUGE game when they haven't been calling it in the small games. Blame the refs, don't blame the players. Its partly their job to get away with shit. That play doesn't get called in game 36 of the regular season but it gets called in game 2 of the the second round? That's the refereeing inconsistency Soodmeg and I were talking about (If you had paid attention to anything else besides the pulled sentences).

Soodmeg, when did that happen? That's pretty nuts.

Edit: Also, lordopus99, the league isn't going back to 80's ball. We all wish it would, really, but it'll never happen. There is too much money on the line for it to go that way. No way would a player nowadays play with a broken foot (like McHale, which basically ruined him) and nobody is going to lay anybody out with a running clothesline and have it be called a simple "foul" (again, like McHale). Just won't happen with the money these stars are getting paid. Sorry man.
 
WTF Lakers gave OKC another fucking game. this is bullshit. Man I know Pau will get alot of grief for that horrible fucking turnover but 4th quarter was basically iso-kobe. Didn't feed the bigs. fuck.
 
Annnnd nba's 2nd protected team wins again no surprise. If the nba somehow helps them past the spurs, that'll be the ultimate travesty ive ever seen.
 
What a choke job by the Lakers. Defense and rebounding got lax, then the offense devolved in to having Kobe dribble for 10 seconds before putting up a difficult shot. Surely, there are better ways to use up the clock.
 
Just goes to show you how extremely overrated okc is when the other team pretty much lets them off the hook twice and could have been up 3-1 even on a back to back, when the only game okc won they had 9 days to prepare for. I dare someone to play a drinking game on how many times Westbrick ignores KD open on the wing, you'd be dead drunk by the 2nd quarter. Dude is as cancerous as AI,Marbury. Also cracks me up how obvious and blatant Perkins illegal screens are, dude just doesn't know how to set them period. I know I've given KG shit as well as other people but for every Illegal screen KG may get away with Perkins probably gets away with about 20x more, its laughable.
 
[quote name='renique46']Annnnd nba's 2nd protected team wins again no surprise. If the nba somehow helps them past the spurs, that'll be the ultimate travesty ive ever seen.[/QUOTE]

So you skipped Game 6 of the WCF in 2002 and Game 7 of the Finals in 2010? /sarcasm

Someone said it earlier, Kobe went Iso mode in the 4th. That's what happens when he does it and the shots aren't falling as often as he'd like. The Lakers could have easily been up 3-1 (as you said earlier) and they blew it.
 
[quote name='renique46']Annnnd nba's 2nd protected team wins again no surprise. If the nba somehow helps them past the spurs, that'll be the ultimate travesty ive ever seen.[/QUOTE]

I dunno man. I think the Lakers actually lost that one themselves.
 
Yeah, the Spurs are playing great--obviously with the 17 game winning streak.

They're going to be tough to beat if Duncan, Parker and Ginobli stay healthy. Lots of playoff experience there, and they have a pretty deep roster as well.
 
Spurs are out there killing people BUT they havent really vsed anyone to me. Clippers? Blah they were just happy to get to the next round, Utah? Blah...no one really expected them to do anything did they?
 
Well, it's not just playoff performance. They were tied with Chicago for the best record in the regular season at 50-16.

The Thunder will be their main test. If they get past them they win the title I think--unless Bosh gets healthy and the Heat get back on track anyway. Other than that happening, I don't see any of the remaining east teams beating the Spurs or Thunder in the Finals.
 
[quote name='advanced']
Seriously though, when the player jumps INTO the shooter, its a foul. Don't defend bad defense. You should be for it anyway, what with all the three point chucking the Magic do and closeouts.[/quote]
Last I checked, you guys were talking about Paul Pierce, who is known for jumping INTO the defender (who is in the air jumping straight up, not INTO the shooter). That is an OFFENSIVE FOUL, not the DEFENSIVE FOUL that gets called 90% of the time.

That's the refereeing inconsistency Soodmeg and I were talking about (If you had paid attention to anything else besides the pulled sentences).
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Totally agree. They should be consistent. But again, that would have to dramatically changing the game back to what it was. Instead now our players are like Stone Cold and the Rock and games are practically scripted at times.

Edit: Also, lordopus99, the league isn't going back to 80's ball.
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Totally aware of that. As long as Lebron () sells tickets (not Miami Heat), this will continue being entertainment show, not a sport.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Last I checked, you guys were talking about Paul Pierce, who is known for jumping INTO the defender (who is in the air jumping straight up, not INTO the shooter). That is an OFFENSIVE FOUL, not the DEFENSIVE FOUL that gets called 90% of the time.
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The actual topic was the pump fake play in general and we both had similar opinions on differing plays. He used The Truth as an example, not the main topic.

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[quote name='Soodmeg']While we are on the subject of shitty refs can someone explain to be why Crawford is allowed to do this?
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If a player does that to a ref, Stern would have a stroke and the player would be Artested out for the playoffs and next season.
 
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I just saw the scrum and, man, was that the wrong way to go about it for that ref. I don't know what the right way would have been, but that was definitely the wrong way.
 
Saw that Reggie Miller documentary and that shit was great. Loved the trash talking and taunting, now today you got motherfuckers apologizing for choke gestures and shit wtf?
 
I am gonna be honest here...Danny Granger is one of my favorite players but this fucking guy should be kicked out of the game and suspended. Every single time I see him he is going out of his way to get into the face of the MIA players.

I get it that you dont like them but this guy has gone completely out of his way to get into their face. I have seen him cross the court to get to Wade one time.
 
You know, it just isn't fun to watch the Heat play. Their offense consists of two guys having permission to blast their way into the lane whenever they feel like it. It's not basketball; it's bowling.
 
lol @ these lebron travels being blatant as day yet pyscho t got called twice...oh wait just answered my own question.

Bench player travels=calling it everytime
Superstar travels=i dun see nuddin
 
[quote name='renique46']
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This shit needs to stop.[/QUOTE]


Hahahaha it sucks seeing most of the people I grew up playing with dressing like this now. I hate all the "swag" shit. :roll:

These playoffs are actually turning out to be pretty interesting though, great games so far :applause:
 
last couple of Pacers possessions:

Collison misses layup, Hibbert completely pushed out of position by battier, no loose ball foul.
Granger knocks down a 3 while being fouled, no and 1.
 
I only watched the first 10 min and the last 10 mins. Thought it was called fairly even...and by that I mean there seem to be barely any calls at all. Tons of illegal screens on both sides, I saw a montage of Pacer fouls and they seemed legit but I didnt really watch that much of it.
 
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