Official 2011-2012 NBA Season thread

[quote name='lordopus99']KG resign 3 years 34 mil... pretty big for an old guy[/QUOTE]

11 mil a season isnt that bad considering some of the big men like deandre jordan get 10 mil. A lot better than 20+mil.
 
I could see him going for 14 and 8 next season and finishing off with 12 and 7 in his last year. Solid contributions for 11 million a year.

When his career is all said and done, how does he get into the Hall of Fame? 12 seasons with Wolves, or 8 seasons and a ring with the Celtics?

Holy fuck. Just adding the numbers together, 20 years in the NBA.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']KG resign 3 years 34 mil... pretty big for an old guy[/QUOTE]

Not with the intangibles he brings and what he can still do. I was hoping for 3/30 or 2/20, basically $10 mil a year and thats pretty damn close to it. It won't kill the cap room we have and we get to keep the Big Ticket. Think about the contracts handed out to big men due to their size. The 7th Number pointed out Jordan at $10 mil a year, and then there is Kwame Brown (Kwame fucking Brown) at $7 Mil a year for the Warriors this past season. Milicic got $5 mil a season for 5 seasons. Big men get overpaid. At least KG has the talent to warrant the contract and is coming off an impressive postseason run.

And Kendro, you're missing his MVP. I think he's a first ballot HOFer, but he could definitely not make the cut due to others in his same era having more success (Duncan, Shaq), but either way, he's definitely in the HOF after all is said and done.
 
[quote name='advanced']And Kendro, you're missing his MVP. I think he's a first ballot HOFer, but he could definitely not make the cut due to others in his same era having more success (Duncan, Shaq), but either way, he's definitely in the HOF after all is said and done.[/QUOTE]

Oh there is no question about it that he will get in. I didn't mean it in that way.

I meant does he go in as a Timberwolve or a Celtic? If he retired today, probably a Wolve. But this 3 year extension significantly adds more years that he played as a Celtic.
 
[quote name='Kendro']Oh there is no question about it that he will get in. I didn't mean it in that way.

I meant does he go in as a Timberwolve or a Celtic? If he retired today, probably a Wolve. But this 3 year extension significantly adds more years that he played as a Celtic.[/QUOTE]

I think he'd prefer it as a Celtic, but your probably right with it being a Timberwolf. With the next three years to start padding his Cs entry, it could definitely change. He did win his DPOY award his first year with the Cs too, which helps add to it.

All in all, I'm just happy that I've got more time to enjoy the Big Ticket before he rides off into the sunset. I'll start to worry about the HOF 4 years after he retires.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']The Dwight Howard fiasco is very entertaining.[/QUOTE]

im honestly thinking the nets arent gonna get him, nothing to trade and aint gonna wait till next year to sign him.
 
If they sign Deron Williams they will get Dwight Howard.

Only way this doesn't happen is if Dwight gets traded to the Heat, Thunder, Bulls, or Clippers.

Most likely he will do his time (1 extra year) and then sign with the Nets next year.

The only positive for Dwight is that by going this route, I think he looks less of a villain than Lebron. In hindsight, that was a horrible decision to opt in for another year.
 
[quote name='antlp89']If they sign Deron Williams they will get Dwight Howard.

Only way this doesn't happen is if Dwight gets traded to the Heat, Thunder, Bulls, or Clippers.

Most likely he will do his time (1 extra year) and then sign with the Nets next year.

The only positive for Dwight is that by going this route, I think he looks less of a villain than Lebron. In hindsight, that was a horrible decision to opt in for another year.[/QUOTE]

signing wallace is fine, but its not possible if they trade for Joe Johnson. if they make both those moves....
 
[quote name='antlp89']If they sign Deron Williams they will get Dwight Howard.

Only way this doesn't happen is if Dwight gets traded to the Heat, Thunder, Bulls, or Clippers.

Most likely he will do his time (1 extra year) and then sign with the Nets next year.

The only positive for Dwight is that by going this route, I think he looks less of a villain than Lebron. In hindsight, that was a horrible decision to opt in for another year.[/QUOTE]
And how do you think that will happen...
- Lopez is a restricted FA and could command a nice contract, even with injury.
- Humphries will command a decent salary (if return); if they pass, they have a huge hole at PF.
- Wallace re-signed for 4 years at $40 mil
- Deron's rumor deal would be huge.
- If Joe Johnson trade goes down, Howard will never be signed in open free agency.
And in 13-14, Morrow is up in Free Agency. Add more money.
And... You still have to fill a roster.

If Deron is smart, he would go to Dallas.
If the Magic are smart, they would deal him to whatever team gives the best deal (regardless if he wants to go or not). I don't want next year held hostage like this past one. Please management just move him.

To the last line, Dwight Howard to me is worst than Lebron. At least, Lebron didn't hold the Cavs hostage for a season+. If Howard didn't want to be a villian, he would just shut up and played basketball like he is paid to do. If he doesn't like it, move on in Free Agency just like any other NBA player.
 
If the Nets sign Williams they will probably let Humphries walk and sign a couple FA to 1 year contracts to fill the roster.

Dwight Howard or Joe Johnson? Are you kidding me? There is no comparison to who would make more of an impact. It's the difference between a chance to make it to the ECF and never making it to the ECF.

No way the Nets trade for JJ when they have a chance to sign Dwight for much less money a year later. (Have you seen JJ's contract??)

But if the Nets don't land Williams... can't see them making the playoffs for at least another 5 years. No Williams = no Howard.



Howard just gave the Magic an extra year to trade him after the Magic were unable to get anything reasonable for an ENTIRE YEAR heads up notice. Now they get an (undeserved) extra year to get something back when they would have gotten chump change for him. Lebron James gave the Cavs... oh wait.

How in the world do you see Dwight worse than Lebron?

The dude basically gives up another year for Orlando (even when his team is unable to generate surrounding talent) and still has people on his ass. I don't get it.
 
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[quote name='antlp89']If the Nets sign Williams they will probably let Humphries walk and sign a couple FA to 1 year contracts to fill the roster.

Dwight Howard or Joe Johnson? Are you kidding me? There is no comparison to who would make more of an impact. It's the difference between a chance to make it to the ECF and never making it to the ECF.

No way the Nets trade for JJ when they have a chance to sign Dwight for much less money a year later. (Have you seen JJ's contract??)[/quote]
They aren't guaranteed him. They are totally aware of that so they are moving on with putting a decent team together. Hence them shopping for a high profile FA to try and keep Williams there. NJ tried to trade for Howard last season and it didn't work. He took his player option so NJ has to move on.

Howard just gave the Magic an extra year to trade him after the Magic were unable to get anything reasonable for an ENTIRE YEAR heads up notice. Now they get an (undeserved) extra year to get something back when they would have gotten chump change for him. Lebron James gave the Cavs... oh wait.

How in the world do you see Dwight worse than Lebron?

The dude basically gives up another year for Orlando (even when his team is unable to generate surrounding talent) and still has people on his ass. I don't get it.
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You got to be kidding me. Did you watch how bad the team was playing going into the playoffs... it had EVERY THING TO DO WITH DWIGHT fuckING HOWARD. His waivering mind had all the players wondering... "he wants to leave us" "Oh he is staying" "he wants to leave us again" .... rinse repeat. He is their floor leader and he was playing coward.

Lebron played until mid playoffs. He shopped around to multiple teams like a normal FA does. He then proceeded to announce that decision on TV. The only thing out of the norm is he didn't contact the Cavs prior to announcing that decision.

Dwight Howard held the Magic hostaged pretty much since the start of the last season. He told them he would stay but refuse to resign/take his player option. Each day was a different day/city. Stay in Orlando, Go to New Jersey, Go to LA, blah blah blah. To "save his image", he at the last minute took his option to stay. This is after voicing his opinion on his coach, which led to his firing. Now the NBA season ends and he is back to the same bullshit as last season. This is way worse than Lebron snubbing Cleveland organization/fans.
 
Giving wallace 40 over 4 was stupid to begin with, but trading for JJ would be the worst move ever and that INCLUDES the hawks signing him to that contract
 
[quote name='merchie89']Giving wallace 40 over 4 was stupid to begin with, but trading for JJ would be the worst move ever and that INCLUDES the hawks signing him to that contract[/QUOTE]

And people say KG wasn't worth $34 over 3. Wow.

These Nets, man. Its like they want to be bottom feeders or something. I like Wallace, but $10 per year for 4 years is a bit much for him. In comparison to that, $12 over 2 for Ray Allen is a complete bargain.

Speaking about the Celtics, I hope we can retain Ray Ray, if only to make LBJ and his kid upset that Ray stays in Green. If not us, somewhere else for the love of God, Ray Allen. Please.
 
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Speaking about the Celtics, I hope we can retain Ray Ray, if only to make LBJ and his kid upset that Ray stays in Green. If not us, somewhere else for the love of God, Ray Allen. Please.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. You would think he wouldn't want to come off the bench... but the other side to it is he could get some easy rings.
 
MICHAEL JORDAN'S SON
ARRESTED
for Disorderly Conduct

Marcus Jordan, youngest son of NBA legend Michael Jordan, was arrested early this morning in Omaha, NE.

Police tell the Omaha World-Herald ... Jordan (a member of the University of Central Florida's basketball team) was spotted outside a hotel at 2:10 AM by an off-duty officer who was working security for the hotel.

The officer said Jordan, who appeared to be intoxicated, was arguing with two females. Police told the paper Jordan became uncooperative when the officer approached him and it eventually took multiple police officers to handcuff him.

According to the paper, Jordan was booked in the Douglas County Department of Corrections for resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and obstructing. He was since been released.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/michael-jordan-son-arrested/
 
KG deal is nice to me. He is old but it's still pretty close to fair-market value for the kind of production he's had, his play in the playoffs (especially against the Hawks) suggests he still has some gas in his tank, and it gives the two high-risk high-reward big guy prospects the C's just drafted a veteran presence to try and help them reach their potential. I kinda hope Boston manages to pick up OJ Mayo (assuming the rumours are true) though, so Rondo finally has * someone * on the roster who can actually get up and down the court with him consistently.
 
Really hoping that Indiana doesnt match on Hibbert, may be over paying but that gives the blazers a top 8? front court.

Been thinking they shoulda signed and traded Batum months ago anyways.

Even after Hibbert they still have like 15 mil in cap room.
 
With how difficult is is to find a servicable center I highly doubt Indiana lets him go. It is certainly overpaying, but who else is available that is even starting material? From what I read, Portland is going to offer the contract July 11th? Why not offer the contract now? Are they seeing if they can get a sign and trade?
 
[quote name='Invicta 61']With how difficult is is to find a servicable center I highly doubt Indiana lets him go. It is certainly overpaying, but who else is available that is even starting material? From what I read, Portland is going to offer the contract July 11th? Why not offer the contract now? Are they seeing if they can get a sign and trade?[/QUOTE]

You cant sign anyone until july 11th, thats when it opens up for anyone to sign deals. From July 1-july 10th they can only discuss deals.
 
Bulls C Asik and the Rockets agree to $25 mil over 3 years in a back-loaded contract that sees the final year having him make $15 mil in the final year of the contract. The Bulls will have 3 days to match the offer as Asik is a RFA.

That's a lot of money to pay a backup center, who is really a defensive specialist, if you're the Chicago Bulls. Wonder what they'll do.
 
[quote name='advanced']Bulls C Asik and the Rockets agree to $25 mil over 3 years in a back-loaded contract that sees the final year having him make $15 mil in the final year of the contract. The Bulls will have 3 days to match the offer as Asik is a RFA.

That's a lot of money to pay a backup center, who is really a defensive specialist, if you're the Chicago Bulls. Wonder what they'll do.[/QUOTE]

That's ridiculous for a player like him. You have to let him go.
 
I guess you can do that when you have 11 or so players at any given time.

I would be curious to know how many guys make league minimum. Rookies have a basement that's a little under $500K and I think it's around $1 million for 5 year vets. Sacramento doesn't pay dick and they still average around $4 mil a player.
 
Colin Stephenson of the Star-Ledger writes that a deal sending Joe Johnson to the Nets is "pretty much done."

Mutliple sources are verifying that the deal is on the verge of completion, but there are conflicting reports as to whether New Jersey will officially pull the trigger before getting an assurance from D-Will. The basic outline of the deal, as reported yesterday, will likely send Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Anthony Morrow and Jordan Williams to the Hawks, along with a first-round pick and a signed-and-traded DeShawn Stevenson. Check back soon for updated specifics. Critically, the deal would all but guarantee that Dwight Howard will not be traded to the Nets (the only team he's said he'll sign an extension with), which significantly complicates his trade demands.
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Too bad so sad Dwight, hope he ends up on a bad team.
 
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The Joe Johnson trade would mean Dwight couldn't sign there later and get anything close to a max deal. It basically would kill Dwight to Brooklyn.
 
update

Updating a previous report, the Nets and Hawks have agreed to terms on a trade sending Joe Johnson to the Nets, but the deal is contingent upon Deron Williams signing with Brooklyn.

so i guess it depends on deron. not sure why deron would think this is a good situation to join in. Id rather go to dallas.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I can see why he'd go to Dallas, but they have a championship window of maybe two or three years before they have to start rebuilding.[/QUOTE]

Part of the reason they want Howard and Williams is so they could have a smooth transition like the spurs had from Robinson to Duncan.
 
hawks could go after howard now. hes from there and is buddies with smith

Also nets supposedly arent totally out yet!!! If you were the Nets would you cheap shot Wallace and try and put him in a sign and trade? Wallace, Lopez, Brooks, Humphries are better than what rockets can give up.

Doubt lakers trade bynum for a potential rental, and Dallas (same basic deal of what ATL got for JJ) has less than the Nets to trade if that is somehow possible.....who knows.


Williams, Johnson, and (Howard or Humphries, Lopez, Wallace)
 
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Yes, Howard is better than lopez, Humprhies and brooks.


There are only like 5 good centers in the entire league...you can replace any other center with any other center in a heart beat. That would put their line up at

Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Gerald Wallace
PF
Dwight Howard


Thats a good god damn line up. Although I hate joe Johnson.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Yes, Howard is better than lopez, Humprhies and brooks.


There are only like 5 good centers in the entire league...you can replace any other center with any other center in a heart beat. That would put their line up at

Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Gerald Wallace
PF
Dwight Howard


Thats a good god damn line up. Although I hate joe Johnson.[/QUOTE]

Its a really good line up, but the money is going to make that team more top heavy than the Heat.
 
Beyond top heavy with almost no draft picks to supplement it and so that they can get a headcase who will throw someone under the bus the moment anything goes south in Brooklyn.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Lopez, Humphries, Brooks, and 3 first round picks for Howard? Geez...[/QUOTE]

I want to see this happen. Not out of a basketball sense, mind you. I just want to see how it plays out in hamstringing or benefiting each team in the long run.
 
Celtics close to a deal with Jason Terry. 3 years for the full MLE. Terry is going to give the Mavs a chance to match it though.

If this goes through, and Boston can keep Bass/Allen and sign Green that'd be one hell of a team. Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Bass/Garnett with Allen/Terry/Green coming off the bench. That's a big upgrade over Dooling/Daniels/Pavlovic.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']I want to see this happen. Not out of a basketball sense, mind you. I just want to see how it plays out in hamstringing or benefiting each team in the long run.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. We thought Miami was top heavy. If this ever went through...wow...

And sorry, but in my opinion, that's a lot to give up for one player, especially when that one player is not even a complete one. Great defender, great rebounder, can throw them down with the best of them...post game like that awkward 6'0" kid in elementary school...

[quote name='DestroVega']Howard to the Nets isn't gonna happen but it's cool to speculate.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. Seems unlikely that this is gonna happen.

Nets also just made another move, though minor. Sign and trade for Reggie Evans. Think they gave up a 2nd rounder.
 
I don't think Fish is the kind of PG the Bulls would want to insure Rose. Maybe they want to play the two together like Harden and Fish last season in OKC.

Brandon Roy is the biggest wildcard out there this FA period. I'm looking forward to seeing him in the league, but he's going to be a shell of his former self, which is sad.

Other news, Jason Terry to the Cs is supposedly official (as official as you can get without the contract signed I guess). I like the pickup. Hopefully Ray sees this as more ammo and comes back to go to war with the Cs.
 
Deron stays, LOLmavs glad all that saving up bit them in the ass fucking idiots. Don't know why delusional fans thought Williams was just a lock to return home etc.
 
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