Official 2011-2012 NBA Season thread

[quote name='Krate']Deron Williams re-signs with the Nets

If I haven't said it already in this thread... fuck you, Mark Cuban.

Sigh.[/QUOTE]

You must be really young. Do you remember what basketball was like in Dallas before Cuban? I do. I lived in Dallas and only got to see the shitty years. You know how many terrible terrible years there were? He brought that franchise back from the dead and made it relevant. Granted he has made some decisions that might not have worked out recently, but this is someone who has continually lost money on this franchise to put forth a winner and to think that he won't put forth the effort to field a contending team is ridiculous. Brooklyn is going to be the new Atlanta Hawks. They have no depth and no one is going to play defense. Even with Howard they will have no room to put any other pieces around the team.
 
Well Deron Williams resigns with Nets.....this is not good, I am a diehard Mavs fan. Let me get this straight we lost Deron Williams, Jason Terry (Signed Celtics), and Jason Kidd (will sign with Nets cause he will follow Deron).

I love Cuban, he is def a player kind of owner. Hopefully he has a backup plan, because Dirk is fantastic, but he has ZERO around him now, maybe a Dwight Howard would be in order?
 
[quote name='Poor2More']Well Deron Williams resigns with Nets.....this is not good, I am a diehard Mavs fan. Let me get this straight we lost Deron Williams, Jason Terry (Signed Celtics), and Jason Kidd (will sign with Nets cause he will follow Deron).

I love Cuban, he is def a player kind of owner. Hopefully he has a backup plan, because Dirk is fantastic, but he has ZERO around him now, maybe a Dwight Howard would be in order?[/QUOTE]

Kidd isn't signing with the Nets. They don't have cap room. Talk is he is going to go to Dallas or NYK.

Hopefully Dallas can bring back Nash and keep Kidd in the fold. That would be nice.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']You must be really young. Do you remember what basketball was like in Dallas before Cuban? I do. I lived in Dallas and only got to see the shitty years. You know how many terrible terrible years there were? He brought that franchise back from the dead and made it relevant. Granted he has made some decisions that might not have worked out recently, but this is someone who has continually lost money on this franchise to put forth a winner and to think that he won't put forth the effort to field a contending team is ridiculous. Brooklyn is going to be the new Atlanta Hawks. They have no depth and no one is going to play defense. Even with Howard they will have no room to put any other pieces around the team.[/QUOTE]

I agree Cuban is fantastic and revived Mavs franchise. Their was not a single thing Cuban could do to lure Deron Williams because once Nets owners (some German Billionaire) opened his pocket book and picked up Joe Johnson (good player, but not great) and possibly (highly unlikely D. Howard) and the allure of moving to Brooklyn, how could he say no?

What possible moves can Mavs make in free agency/trade now?

Nash? (They need him more then ever after losing Kidd and J Terry)
Howard?
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Kidd isn't signing with the Nets. They don't have cap room. Talk is he is going to go to Dallas or NYK.

Hopefully Dallas can bring back Nash and keep Kidd in the fold. That would be nice.[/QUOTE]

your right sorry ESPN was saying kidd is going wherever Deron was going a few days ago. Havent heard it lately though. I would also love to see Nash/Dirk together again, specially since Dirk is much improved player since they last played together.

Are their any possible way for Howard to also sign with Nets now, money wise?

Deron Williams 5yr/100 Million
Gerald Wallace 4yr/40 Million (overpayed)
Joe Johnson 3yr/90 Million (Thats a terrible contract)

I mean Howard would at least demand 20-25 Mill/season
 
[quote name='Poor2More']your right sorry ESPN was saying kidd is going wherever Deron was going a few days ago. Havent heard it lately though. I would also love to see Nash/Dirk together again, specially since Dirk is much improved player since they last played together.

Are their any possible way for Howard to also sign with Nets now, money wise?

Deron Williams 5yr/100 Million
Gerald Wallace 4yr/40 Million (overpayed)
Joe Johnson 3yr/90 Million (Thats a terrible contract)

I mean Howard would at least demand 20-25 Mill/season[/QUOTE]

Clearing that cap after winning title, not resigning Tyson Chandler with the thought of getting Williams or Howard, now both are unlikely. Mavs are left with a beaten tean, with just Dirk as the last gleaming hope.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']You must be really young. Do you remember what basketball was like in Dallas before Cuban? I do. I lived in Dallas and only got to see the shitty years. You know how many terrible terrible years there were? He brought that franchise back from the dead and made it relevant. Granted he has made some decisions that might not have worked out recently, but this is someone who has continually lost money on this franchise to put forth a winner and to think that he won't put forth the effort to field a contending team is ridiculous. Brooklyn is going to be the new Atlanta Hawks. They have no depth and no one is going to play defense. Even with Howard they will have no room to put any other pieces around the team.[/QUOTE]

Clap...well said Casey, I remember Nash/Dirk thinking now Dallas has a chance for something. Too bad Terry had to go. I wonder if the Mavs will try to keep Carter.

Wallace, Johnson, and Williams not bad but I dont think they have depth to make it deep in the playoffs.
 
[quote name='Poor2More']your right sorry ESPN was saying kidd is going wherever Deron was going a few days ago. Havent heard it lately though. I would also love to see Nash/Dirk together again, specially since Dirk is much improved player since they last played together.

Are their any possible way for Howard to also sign with Nets now, money wise?

Deron Williams 5yr/100 Million
Gerald Wallace 4yr/40 Million (overpayed)
Joe Johnson 3yr/90 Million (Thats a terrible contract)

I mean Howard would at least demand 20-25 Mill/season[/QUOTE]

The Nets could sign him, go over the cap and just pay the luxury tax. If the Russian billionaire truly doesn't care about making a profit he will just pay.
 
He can't straight up sign with the Nets because of the salary cap. It would have to be a sign and trade deal of some variety for him to come to Brooklyn, even at the end of this year when he is a FA.
 
Howard in NJ isn't going to happen. We aren't dealing him for those guys. In free agency, they can't take him due to cap. Poor Dwight :lol:
 
The lakers better have retooled by 2015. Pau, Bynum, and Kobe will all be UFAs by that point. Nash will be beyond washed up in 3 years.

2015 could potentially be a lottery pick for the suns
 
Kobe Bryant $27.8
Pau Gasol $19
Andrew Bynum $16.4
Metta World Peace $7.2
Steve Blake $4
Josh McRoberts $3.1
Christian Eyenga $1.1
Devin Ebanks $1
Darius Morris $0.9
Andrew Goudelock $0.7
Nash ~$8

good lord
 
I'm a bit surprised it happened but looking at the perspective, it makes sense. Nash is on the decline and it's clear at this point the Suns are in rebuilding mode so might as well sign and trade rather than get nothing. Lakers will be a team to watch in the next 5 years, both for this and the beginning of their own rebuilding phase.
 
Definitely didn't see that coming, but I don't think any other team would have given us as much back, they will be late picks but it's more than I thought we could get for Nash.

If Lakers get Dwight Howard, shit is going to be unreal. It's not like the Suns are going to win anything, anytime soon, it's going to be a few years as we rebuild.
 
[quote name='ratzombie']Definitely didn't see that coming, but I don't think any other team would have given us as much back, they will be late picks but it's more than I thought we could get for Nash.

If Lakers get Dwight Howard, shit is going to be unreal. It's not like the Suns are going to win anything, anytime soon, it's going to be a few years as we rebuild.[/QUOTE]

Suns are on the right path.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...mmits-three-year-18-million-deal-phoenix-suns

23-year-old Beasley already on his third team. He still has plenty of time to grow.


Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayliss
The real reason the Lakers got Steve Nash was so he could teach Kobe the meaning of the word "pass."
 
[quote name='Doomtime']

Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayliss
The real reason the Lakers got Steve Nash was so he could teach Kobe the meaning of the word "pass."[/QUOTE]

Thats not the real skip bayless, but its funny.
 
Yeah...so how does that work with Nash? Since Kobe has and always will be a ball hog and Nash needs the ball 90% of the time to actually make passes.

I dont see Nash just standing around at the 3 point line watching Kobe for 15 seconds of the shot clock.

Anyway, BOOOO I have always liked Steve Nash and he could have gone to any team in the world expect the Lakers and I would have cheered him on.
 
[quote name='The 7th Number']Thats not the real skip bayless, but its funny.[/QUOTE]

Lol didn't even notice. Sounds like something Skip would say though.
 
Amazing, just amazing.

Steve Nash has always been my favorite non-Laker player for years. He is simply a Maestro on the court, and to now have him on our team?

Mitch, you are a GOD!! :applause:

We still need tweaks to our bench. Too bad Ramon Sessions opted out because he would of been ideal as a back up PG.

[quote name='Soodmeg']Yeah...so how does that work with Nash? Since Kobe has and always will be a ball hog and Nash needs the ball 90% of the time to actually make passes.
[/QUOTE]

What we lack was a facilitator, our offense goes stagnant way to often. We tried to get a quick penetrating PG last year (anything was better than Fisher, sadly) and it actually worked at times - but he disappeared in the playoffs. Count that on youth, non-experience, the fact that he was traded to L.A in March.

Nash has an incredible B-Ball IQ, knows exactly how to run an offense and now has the most firepower he has ever had around him on this Laker squad. We dont need him to score (even do hes FG %was 52 last season), but definitely cannot leave him wide open.
 
Looks like J. Kidd is going to the NY Knicks. Well that sucks as a Mavs fan. Here's hoping for the 2013 free agents, or trade Dirt and start over (dont think it will ever happen).
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Suns get Dragic back. He was amazing the last couple months of last year after Lowry got hurt and he finally got starter minutes.[/QUOTE]
Love having Dragon back, I didn't like it when they traded him to begin with as he was starting to shine and he lost time to be instructed by Nash. Although, $34m seems like quite a bit for him.
 
wow kidd to the Knicks?! He got his ring so I guess its time for him to retire.
Crawford to LAC...there gonna be a tough team next year with a healthy billups
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I hope shark tank gets fucking canceled.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't believe he skipped the Deron Williams meeting to tape the show. Absolutely horrid.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']You must be really young. Do you remember what basketball was like in Dallas before Cuban? I do. I lived in Dallas and only got to see the shitty years. You know how many terrible terrible years there were? He brought that franchise back from the dead and made it relevant. Granted he has made some decisions that might not have worked out recently, but this is someone who has continually lost money on this franchise to put forth a winner and to think that he won't put forth the effort to field a contending team is ridiculous. Brooklyn is going to be the new Atlanta Hawks. They have no depth and no one is going to play defense. Even with Howard they will have no room to put any other pieces around the team.[/QUOTE]

I'm in my mid-20's. I didn't bother watching anything besides playoff/all-star games until 9~10 years ago, but I really wouldn't say I was a huge basketball fan until the '10-11 season. So, no, I don't remember those years.

I'm not saying he won't try to put a Championship team together like '11 (and was close to accomplishing in '06). My problem with Mark Cuban is the same issue every NBA analyst/commentator/whatever has criticized him for the entire season: breaking up a Championship team over the chance that two free agents might sign with his team. Is it so wrong for me to be upset with that, especially now that his plan has backfired? There's only two years left on Dirk's contract and there's no guarantee he'll play 'til his late 30's/early 40's like a Nash, Stockon or Malone now that he has a ring. There's obviously a sense of urgency with the Mavs for that reason, but unfortunately, Cuban decided his already proven team who most thought wouldn't defeat the Blazers (and every team in each proceeding round) wasn't good enough.
 
[quote name='Krate']I'm in my mid-20's. I didn't bother watching anything besides playoff/all-star games until 9~10 years ago, but I really wouldn't say I was a huge basketball fan until the '10-11 season. So, no, I don't remember those years.

I'm not saying he won't try to put a Championship team together like '11 (and was close to accomplishing in '06). My problem with Mark Cuban is the same issue every NBA analyst/commentator/whatever has criticized him for the entire season: breaking up a Championship team over the chance that two free agents might sign with his team. Is it so wrong for me to be upset with that, especially now that his plan has backfired? There's only two years left on Dirk's contract and there's no guarantee he'll play 'til his late 30's/early 40's like a Nash, Stockon or Malone now that he has a ring. There's obviously a sense of urgency with the Mavs for that reason, but unfortunately, Cuban decided his already proven team who most thought wouldn't defeat the Blazers (and every team in each proceeding round) wasn't good enough.[/QUOTE]

You have an absolute right to be mad. That's all true.
 
I would like to think Cuban already has talked to Williams and knows something we don't. I don't really believe Cuban is the sort of owner that would pass on an opportunity like this if they were in a great position to sign him.

Then again, the championship aftermath...
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']That's a poison pill I don't see the Knicks swallowing, either...[/QUOTE]
NY isn't going to watch him walk out. He created the fandom of last year. All eyes on NY weren't there until Lin got asked to play.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']NY isn't going to watch him walk out. He created the fandom of last year. All eyes on NY weren't there until Lin got asked to play.[/QUOTE]

Lin was a sensation last year, because he made for an incredible story. Asian-American. Harvard grad. Cut by a couple of teams and close to being cut by the Knicks. Was living on his brother's couch. All that is out the window now, though. Even if he plays well, "Linsanity" is a thing of the past. All eyes will be on him to perform up to this contract. He's not going to get as many passes from the media and fans now that he has "arrived."

The reality is, he has a lot of holes in his game. He turns the ball over way too much. For a professional, he has an abysmal left-hand. And his perimeter game leaves something to be desired. Now, the turnovers I think can and will eventually come down. This is a guy who was use to play sub-standard college competition and who did not see a ton of real-time NBA action prior to his rise to stardom. As he catches up to the speed of the game more and more, his decision making process should improve. The other stuff, though, is simply gonna take hours in the gym.

At the end of the day, if the Knicks match this offer, they will end up with four players with 8 figure contracts down the road. And they are gonna have to decide if Lin is worth that. Now that a number of the available point guards are off the market, they may have to swallow the pill. Or they could go with Felton, who already enjoyed a little success in New York, even though it was under a different system and without the headache of distributing to both Amare and Melo.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Ray Allen to the Heat. And with that I say fuck you Ray.[/QUOTE]

It is his fault that he didn't want to come off the bench and share time with JET, who also plays the same position?
 
What do you think he's going to do in Miami? Is the league going to allow them to start 6 players on the floor? Do you think he'll start at SG, move Wade to PG and kick Chalmers to the bench?
 
Ray is getting old. in the Celtics offense he would have to create his shot more. The attention Lebron and wade draw will give him a lot of open shots. I think you move wade to the three LBJ to the 4 and Bosh as the 5
 
Considering that the Heat like to go with awkward lineups, a closing lineup of Wade, Allen, Battier, James, Bosh would be scary good.

Other than that line up, he'll be a straight backup for sure. 6th/7th man with Haslem.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Took about half the money just to get away from Rondo.[/QUOTE]

I'm a big fan of Rondo, but it makes me kind of fearful of the future with him at the helm. I hope this is a one off thing and not a sign of more to come.
 
[quote name='advanced']What do you think he's going to do in Miami? Is the league going to allow them to start 6 players on the floor? Do you think he'll start at SG, move Wade to PG and kick Chalmers to the bench?[/QUOTE]

Imagine hell be a three point specialist off the bench. I.e. like Mike Miller was for them the few stretches he was healthy enough to play the past couple of years.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Imagine hell be a three point specialist off the bench. I.e. like Mike Miller was for them the few stretches he was healthy enough to play the past couple of years.[/QUOTE]

That was a sarcastic response to CaseyRyback's post above it. But yeah, I imagine he will too.
 
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