Official (2015-2016) College Football Thread OSU#1

Of course, I'll be heading off to a local watering hole to watch my Wolverines host the Spartans. One thing about the stupid Big 10 Network is it gives me an excuse to watch a game at a sports bar at least once per season!:lol:
 
Well N.Dame pulled it out after all as did LSU over Texas A&M. Texas Tech beat TCU in triple OT in a game with as many points as 3 normal football games. Florida crushed S.Carolina and K.State is up 10 zip in the 2nd quarter on W.Virginia.

Best news for me though? Michigan beats Michigan St. on a field goal with 5 seconds left! Go Blue!:applause:
 
WVU sucking again. Don't know that we beat anyone left on the schedule other than Kansas with our offense now stagnant and the defense still MIA.

And as soon as I post that we get a 100 yard kick off return for a td. Maybe that will get the momentum turned around.

Nope. Shitty D lets them go right down the field for a td before half. I'm dome watching this crap.
 
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Whew! Notre Dame pulled it out! Wow, I was hoping Kansas State would win but my gosh I never expected a romp! This is why I was so frustrated with everyone awarding Smith with the Heisman after the Baylor game. There was still a lot of football to be played and some big conference opponents to face.
 
[quote name='soulvengeance']Hopefully K State will get some respect now.[/QUOTE]
No offense to Dmaul but West Virginia's defense might be the worse defense in NCAA. In other words, midmajors have better defenses. Kansas State scoring on every drive was kind of expected, esp since they are in the top 4.

Man halftime can't come sooner in my game. Our offense/special teams are looking like crap.
 
He should fire himself while he's at it.

I lived near Blacksburg VA from 2006-2010 (Go Radford) and it seems like the song and dance for VT was the same every year. Win against some decent teams, rise in the polls to a single-digit spot (I think they got to #2 at least once) and choke it all away in a game that they should win.

Now they aren't even repeating that pattern of semi-success.
 
[quote name='soulvengeance']Hopefully K State will get some respect now.[/QUOTE]
The only teams ahead of them in the BCS are Alabama, Florida, and Oregon. I'd argue that they have been getting a good amount of respect since they beat Oklahoma. K.State's remaining schedule should keep them in the top 4 as long as they keep winning.
[quote name='blindinglights']Just a few more losses and Beamer will have to fire the offensive coaches...[/QUOTE]
Yeah the ACC Coastal half is really struggling this season, only Duke and N.Carolina have a record above .500. Who would have thought that next week's Florida St. vs Duke game would be a battle between the ACC division leaders?


I don't imagine the BCS top 6 will change and 8-12 will probably all move up a spot, possibly a few leapfrogs here and there. 13-25 is where all the movement should be, I'd expect Iowa St., TCU, Cincinnati, and maybe even W.Virgina to drop out. Texas A&M and S.Carolina will fall but will probably remain in the BCS top 25. Michigan should be one of the newcomers to slip in the 20-25 range, Ohio might also sneak in despite the fact that they didn't play this weekend. Next weekend will cause some movement in the top 10 for sure though with Florida vs Georgia, N.Dame vs Oklahoma, and Alabama vs Miss. St.
 
Man, I can't recall a team I follow ever having a season take a u-turn like WVU's has. Just overrated the offense from the Baylor and Texas games when it turns out those two teams are just mediocre at best and have terrible defenses.

Have an off week to try to get things turned around. Maybe the offense can get going again, but I don't see the defense getting better. Just too many young players in the secondary, on top of having a new scheme and defensive coaching staff.

In terms of remaining schedule, TCU will be tough, @ Ok State is probably a loss with the offense they have, Oklahoma will destroy us, Iowa State is a toss up, and Kansas should be a win--but who knows if we lose a bunch more before them and the team gives up on the season.


Geno's Heisman hopes are shot as well. It's Klein's to lose now.

K State has a great chance to run the table, having already won at Oklahoma and WVU. They have left:

Texas Tech
Ok State
@TCU
@Baylor
Texas

I'll be rooting for them to get to the title game. But they'll need help as they won't jump Oregon or Bama/Florida if all 3 are unbeaten.
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Geno's Heisman hopes are shot as well. It's Klein's to lose now.[/QUOTE]
I am hoping Klein chokes... I would love to see a Te'o, with the story he has, win the Heisman.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']K State has a great chance to run the table, having already won at Oklahoma and WVU...I'll be rooting for them to get to the title game. But they'll need help as they won't jump Oregon or Bama/Florida if all 3 are unbeaten.[/QUOTE]
If N.Dame manages to keep winning there is also a chance that the Irish could jump K.State too. I don't think either one of them would ever get in the title game over an undefeated Oregon or SEC champ. Both the Wildcats and the Irish could stay ahead of an undefeated Oregon St. team though, which would be interesting.
 
True, but I don't see that happening. ND has just had a pretty soft schedule. Oklahoma should beat them soundly next week.

But yeah, neither K State or ND is going to jump over unbeaten Oregon or an unbeaten SEC champ. So they need one or the other of those to take at least 1 loss.
 
New Coach's Poll:

1 Alabama 7-0 1475 59 1
2 Oregon 7-0 1403 0 2
3 Florida 7-0 1329 0 4
4 Kansas St. 7-0 1326 0 3
5 Notre Dame 7-0 1221 0 5
6 LSU 7-1 1164 0 6
7 Oklahoma 5-1 1084 0 7
8 USC 6-1 1014 0 9
9 Oregon St. 6-0 974 0 11
10 Florida St. 7-1 948 0 10
11 Georgia 6-1 850 0 12
12 Mississippi St. 7-0 800 0 16
13 Clemson 6-1 788 0 13
14 Louisville 7-0 720 0 14
15 Rutgers 7-0 637 0 17
16 South Carolina 6-2 598 0 8
17 Texas Tech 6-1 571 0 20
18 Boise St. 6-1 407 0 22
19 Stanford 5-2 401 0 23
20 Michigan 5-2 264 0 25
21Texas A&M 5-2 229 0 19
22 West Virginia 5-2 173 0 15
23 Ohio 7-0 132 0 NR
24 Texas 5-2 109 0 NR
25 Wisconsin 6-2 104 0 NR
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']True, but I don't see that happening. ND has just had a pretty soft schedule. Oklahoma should beat them soundly next week.

But yeah, neither K State or ND is going to jump over unbeaten Oregon or an unbeaten SEC champ. So they need one or the other of those to take at least 1 loss.[/QUOTE]

I agree that it probably would not be enough to jump Oregon for #2 but to say Notre Dame's schedule is soft is a bit extreme.

I would make the argument that, to this point, Oregon is getting too much credit because the first half of their schedule hasn't exactly been grueling one. Arizona has probably been their biggest opponent and they're 4-3?

That will change for the three going forward as they all have some big time games in the second half but I'd have to say of the three teams, at this point in the season, Oregon's schedule has at worst been equal if not softer than Notre Dame's and definitely weaker than the Big 12 schedule KSU has played to this point.
 
Oh I agree. I was just saying I don't see ND winning out, not that they're overrated. They've played an ok schedule. Just no one on par with Oklahoma they get next, or Alabama, Oregon, K State etc since the Big Ten is so awful this year and they've played three of those teams that aren't as strong as usual

Season is starting to feel a bot moot anyway. Hard to see anyone beating Bama now that they have an offense to go with the dominant defense.
 
2nd BCS rankings are out:


(undefeated teams in italics)
  1. Alabama 7-0
  2. Florida 7-0
  3. K.State 7-0
  4. Oregon 7-0
  5. N.Dame 7-0
  6. LSU 7-1
  7. Oregon St. 6-0
  8. Oklahoma 5-1
  9. USC 6-1
  10. Georgia 6-1
  11. Miss. St. 7-0
  12. Florida St. 7-1
  13. S.Carolina 6-2
  14. Texas Tech 6-1
  15. Rutgers 7-0
  16. Louisville 7-0
  17. Stanford 5-2
  18. Clemson 6-1
  19. W.Virginia 5-2
  20. Texas A&M 5-2
  21. Boise St. 6-1
  22. Michigan 5-2
  23. Texas 5-2
  24. Ohio 7-0
  25. Wisconsin 6-2
K.State getting some respect as they jump Oregon, computers just don't buy into the Ducks. I was a little surprised that Wisconsin came in at 25 but I thought Michigan and Ohio would make it in this week. We'll see some movement next week as ther are 3 matchups between teams in the top 11.
 
I expect Oregon to drop to #5 if ND manages to beat OKLA (I don't expect this to happen) this Saturday. Oregon is playing a HORRIBLE Colorado team at home, doesn't do them any favors.

Thus far, the computers shouldn't buy the Ducks, we've played nobody thus far. But, as many analysts have pointed out, we've outright dominated our opponents and we have one of the toughest schedules remaining with road games at USC and OSU and the Pac-12 title game where we'll probably have to play USC again.

It's a shame K-State backed out of their game against Oregon this year, all other things equal and constant, the winner of that game would've been a lock at #2 at this point.
 
[quote name='chuckie88']2nd BCS rankings are out:
K.State getting some respect as they jump Oregon, computers just don't buy into the Ducks. I was a little surprised that Wisconsin came in at 25 but I thought Michigan and Ohio would make it in this week. We'll see some movement next week as ther are 3 matchups between teams in the top 11.[/QUOTE]
I am surprised Texas is on this list. 6 point victor in a shootout against a 3-3 Baylor. They shouldn't be on the list to begin with.

Funny how the AP is way different than the BCS. Interesting...
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']I expect Oregon to drop to #5 if ND manages to beat OKLA (I don't expect this to happen) this Saturday...
It's a shame K-State backed out of their game against Oregon this year, all other things equal and constant, the winner of that game would've been a lock at #2 at this point.[/QUOTE]
I also think N.Dame faces a real uphill battle against Oklahoma. Of course, I have to hope for them to win since they beat Michigan earlier in the season. I didn't know about the potential K.State vs Oregon matchup, I agree that the winner would have been a solid number two. Was the game intended to be at Oregon, is that why K.State balked?
[quote name='lordopus99']I am surprised Texas is on this list. 6 point victor in a shootout against a 3-3 Baylor. They shouldn't be on the list to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the Longhorns haven't looked that impressive thus far. That will probably take care of itself as they travel to Texas Tech in two weeks and finish the season hosting TCU and visiting K.State. They could easily drop all three of those games, if anything they might win the one at home with TCU.
 
[quote name='chuckie88']I also think N.Dame faces a real uphill battle against Oklahoma. Of course, I have to hope for them to win since they beat Michigan earlier in the season. I didn't know about the potential K.State vs Oregon matchup, I agree that the winner would have been a solid number two. Was the game intended to be at Oregon, is that why K.State balked?

Yeah, the Longhorns haven't looked that impressive thus far. That will probably take care of itself as they travel to Texas Tech in two weeks and finish the season hosting TCU and visiting K.State. They could easily drop all three of those games, if anything they might win the one at home with TCU.[/QUOTE]

Game was to be in Eugene yeah. They backed out because the game was scheduled under KSU's old coach (forget his name, but I believe he was fired) and they needed to add an extra in-conference game.
 
To get back to the discussion a couple weeks back where some thought a one loss SEC champ could possibly jump over an unbeaten K-State or Oregon and get in the title game....just look at the BCS scores for the highest ranked 1 loss SEC teams--LSU and UGA.

1 Alabama .9625 1
2 Florida .9310 2
3 Kansas State .9111 4
4 Oregon .8966 3
5 Notre Dame .8512 5
6 LSU .7862 6
7 Oregon State .7421 8
8 Oklahoma .7126 9 7
9 USC .5767 10
10 Georgia .5379


There's just too much of a penalty in the scoring system for a loss for a 1 loss team to jump an undefeated team from one of the power conferences. They would definitely be on top an unbeaten Big East team. Maybe even an unbeaten ACC some years if the champ had a weak out of conference schedule. But no way to jump an unbeaten team from one of the 4 power leagues as the strength of schedule difference just isn't great enough (if its there at all in a given year) to make up for the score hit from the loss.

Only one more year of this stupid formula mattering anyway! :D
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Game was to be in Eugene yeah. They backed out because the game was scheduled under KSU's old coach (forget his name, but I believe he was fired) and they needed to add an extra in-conference game.[/QUOTE]

That would be Ron Prince, and yeah he blew! Snyder had to come out of retirement to save the program a second time.
 
Just lots of non-conference games had to be canceled with re-alignment shifting the number of conference games.

WVU had to drop FSU with the move to the Big 12 and the jump to having 9 conference games instead of the 8 they would have had in the Big East (with TCU having joined this year if realignment hadn't happened). That was the only non-conference road game, so it had to get dropped. Can't drop home games as they need those for the AD to turn a profit. WVU is one of the few ADs that are self sufficient (not state/school funds) and turn a profit most years--though were in the red last year due to the big buyout to leave the Big East.

Probably the same thing with KSU with the change in Big 12 schedules after NU and CU jumped moving the league to a 9 game round robin schedule. Think they had 8 conference games when they had two six team divisions before.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Just lots of non-conference games had to be canceled with re-alignment shifting the number of conference games.

WVU had to drop FSU with the move to the Big 12 and the jump to having 9 conference games instead of the 8 they would have had in the Big East (with TCU having joined this year if realignment hadn't happened). That was the only non-conference road game, so it had to get dropped. Can't drop home games as they need those for the AD to turn a profit. WVU is one of the few ADs that are self sufficient (not state/school funds) and turn a profit most years--though were in the red last year due to the big buyout to leave the Big East.

Probably the same thing with KSU with the change in Big 12 schedules after NU and CU jumped moving the league to a 9 game round robin schedule. Think they had 8 conference games when they had two six team divisions before.[/QUOTE]


Yep, it was an 8 game schedule before everything blew up. You played all of the teams in your division and then three from the other division on a rotating basis. In Kansas State's case you played everyone from the North and three South teams.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']...There's just too much of a penalty in the scoring system for a 1 loss team to jump an undefeated team from one of the power conferences...

Only one more year of this stupid formula mattering anyway! :D[/QUOTE]
Yes, an undefeated team from the four power conferences will always rank ahead of teams with one loss or more.

And yes, it will be interesting and exciting to experience a new system soon.
[quote name='Chitown021']Snyder had to come out of retirement to save the program a second time.[/QUOTE]
What Bill Snyder has done with K.State football is nothing short of amazing. I would argue that there is currently no one individual with a greater impact on their school's program.
 
[quote name='chuckie88']Yes, an undefeated team from the four power conferences will always rank ahead of teams with one loss or more.

And yes, it will be interesting and exciting to experience a new system soon.
[/QUOTE]

How nuts would it be if we had a playoff system this year? All these teams at the top would get the chance to prove it on the field!
 
Yep. I think that this year will also show that a 4 team playoff will still have a lot of controversy as I'd be surprised if there doesn't end up with 5-7 unbeaten/1 loss teams. Top 2 will probably be pretty clear, but picking 3 and 4 if the playoff was in place would probably be pretty murky.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yep. I think that this year will also show that a 4 team playoff will still have a lot of controversy as I'd be surprised if there doesn't end up with 5-7 unbeaten/1 loss teams. Top 2 will probably be pretty clear, but picking 3 and 4 if the playoff was in place would probably be pretty murky.[/QUOTE]

I agree. There will always be controversy (look at March Madness. They have what, 68 teams, and every year there's an argument about the handful of teams that ended up as the last four and next four out. It's not nearly as bad if there are 4 in and there's some argument as to who that 4th should have been in the playoffs vs. those same 5 teams all having an argument to play for the title and three getting screwed because the computers picks the title game.
 
Of course.

I hope they go to 8 teams eventually though. That should get pretty much all the one loss or better teams most every year. Not much cause for griping about who's 8 vs. 9 among 2 or 3 loss teams. A 16 team playoff like the lower divisions would be ideal though, but I don't see that happening.
 
I also hope they get back to 12. I was really hoping Notre Dame would be in that mix but they decided to be a pseudo member of the ACC. The sports shows here talked about them making that same deal but with the Big 12. Then they'd have the option to join up as a full member down the road.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']To get back to the discussion a couple weeks back where some thought a one loss SEC champ could possibly jump over an unbeaten K-State or Oregon and get in the title game....just look at the BCS scores for the highest ranked 1 loss SEC teams--LSU and UGA.

1 Alabama .9625 1
2 Florida .9310 2
3 Kansas State .9111 4
4 Oregon .8966 3
5 Notre Dame .8512 5
6 LSU .7862 6
7 Oregon State .7421 8
8 Oklahoma .7126 9 7
9 USC .5767 10
10 Georgia .5379


There's just too much of a penalty in the scoring system for a loss for a 1 loss team to jump an undefeated team from one of the power conferences. They would definitely be on top an unbeaten Big East team. Maybe even an unbeaten ACC some years if the champ had a weak out of conference schedule. But no way to jump an unbeaten team from one of the 4 power leagues as the strength of schedule difference just isn't great enough (if its there at all in a given year) to make up for the score hit from the loss.[/QUOTE]


Looking at the numbers now doesn't reveal much. If we go into conference championship week looking like this:

1. Florida 12-0
2. Oregon 12-0
3. K-State 12-0
4. Alabama/LSU 11-1

and some things happen the right way, don't be surprised if something you think is impossible actually happens.

Before last year, no one would have thought a 1-loss Big-12 team would be snubbed in favor of a 1-loss SEC team from the same division as the other SEC team going to the national title game. This year, I'm not going to jump on the "it's impossible" bandwagon until it plays out.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']...I think that this year will also show that a 4 team playoff will still have a lot of controversy as I'd be surprised if there doesn't end up with 5-7 unbeaten/1 loss teams...[/QUOTE]
I actually think 1-3 undefeated teams is more likely, maybe four at most. I say this because there are only ten right now and the absolute most possible at season's end is six. Of the current ten; only one of the three SEC teams can possibly finish without a loss, Oregon and Oregon St. play each other, and Rutgers plays Louisville. Of those seven, only three can possibly finish undefeated. The remaining unbeatens (N.Dame, K.State, and Ohio) control their own fate but Ohio won't be considered for the BCS title regardless. When I consider conference title games and tough schedule dates, I just don't think there will be any more than a maximum of four undeated teams at the end of the season.
[quote name='blindinglights']...Before last year, no one would have thought a 1-loss Big-12 team would be snubbed in favor of a 1-loss SEC team from the same division as the other SEC team going to the national title game. This year, I'm not going to jump on the "it's impossible" bandwagon until it plays out.[/QUOTE]
While I might not call it impossible, I would not hesitate to call it extremely unlikely. Last year's title game between two schools from the same division in the same conference that had already played each other really turned a lot of people off to the idea. If the voters in the Coaches and Harris polls have any legitimate option, I would expect them to take it over two teams from the same conference.
 
I live about 20 miles from UGA and am sick and tired of their fans thinking that UGA is a top tier college football program. They seem to forget that their last title was 1980, over 30 damn years ago. Top tier college programs don't go on 30 year droughts. Even the nerd school down in ATL (GA Tech) has been part of a National Campionship since UGA has. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of friends who are realistic about UGA Football but it seems like most of the fans have blinders on. Just ranted on NFL board, now doing it here, prob off to the Xbox board next...lol.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']Looking at the numbers now doesn't reveal much. If we go into conference championship week looking like this:

1. Florida 12-0
2. Oregon 12-0
3. K-State 12-0
4. Alabama/LSU 11-1

and some things happen the right way, don't be surprised if something you think is impossible actually happens.

Before last year, no one would have thought a 1-loss Big-12 team would be snubbed in favor of a 1-loss SEC team from the same division as the other SEC team going to the national title game. This year, I'm not going to jump on the "it's impossible" bandwagon until it plays out.[/QUOTE]
You really have Florida winning @FSU and @SEC Championship... I don't. It wasn't that long ago the Gators struggled against Bowling Green.

Oregon has a tough road left. Stanford, Oregon State, and USC (potentially twice). That is a tough road.

If Kansas State wins this week, they are a lock at undefeated. Too bad they end the season against unranked opponents. That will open the door for other teams to leap frog them since most of the top teams including the 1 loss teams have some ranked opponents at the end of their schedule.

And don't sleep on Notre Dame. If they win this weekend, they will end with a ranked USC. That would give them the push they would need to leap frog.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']You really have Florida winning @FSU and @SEC Championship... I don't. It wasn't that long ago the Gators struggled against Bowling Green.[/QUOTE]


I was setting up a theoretical situation where a #4 ranked 1-loss SEC team beats an undefeated #1 ranked SEC team in the conference championship. It's not whether or not I believe that specific scenario will play out, it's just to point out that I believe there are scenarios where a 1-loss SEC champion could jump an undefeated K-State or Oregon based on how that league is perceived by the sports media and voters.

I actually hope FSU beats Florida, not sure it's going to happen, but probably more likely than Clemson or Georgia Tech beating their SEC rivals. Big wins at the end of the season help mold the perception of a team/league for the following year. Just look at WVU's win over Clemson and where it had them in peoples' minds earlier in the season. How many times did you hear "this was the team that hung 70 on Clemson in the Orange Bowl"? FSU over Florida could really help them next year.




[quote name='chuckie88']If the voters in the Coaches and Harris polls have any legitimate option, I would expect them to take it over two teams from the same conference.[/QUOTE]


Oklahoma State was a legitimate option last year. They had more wins over ranked teams, an explosive offense, and an opportunistic defense that got plenty of takeaways. Yet with Alabama involved as the other option, defense and "quality of loss" became the deciding factors. The voters have shown that they buy into ESPN's announcers and their SEC is king stance. This is why I believe it's not crazy to think a 1-loss SEC team would jump an undefeated team out of another league.

I just hope whoever plays an SEC team in the national title beats them this year. I'm tired of hearing about "the SEC gauntlet". It's tough to go through any conference undefeated, not just the SEC. Yes, the SEC has Alabama and LSU and the teams that have to play them have a hard schedule, but I'm getting a little tired of Herbstreit acting like having to roll through Kentucky, Vandy, and Tennessee is more difficult just because they are SEC teams.
 
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[quote name='blindinglights']
Before last year, no one would have thought a 1-loss Big-12 team would be snubbed in favor of a 1-loss SEC team from the same division as the other SEC team going to the national title game. This year, I'm not going to jump on the "it's impossible" bandwagon until it plays out.[/QUOTE]

Just have to agree to disagree. I'd bet big money on an unbeaten major conference team (meaning SEC, Big 10, Pac 12 and Big 12) team never getting left out of the BCS title game or future four team playoff over a 1 loss team.

And honestly, if it did happen I'd just quit following the sport. It's already largely a bunch of glorified exhibition games and will be until they get to a playoff of at least 8 teams. The 4 team playoff will be a bit better, but still a far cry from really deciding a champion on the field like in the pros or even lower division college football.

[quote name='chuckie88']I actually think 1-3 undefeated teams is more likely, maybe four at most. I say this because there are only ten right now and the absolute most possible at season's end is six. [/QUOTE]

We're in agreement. I said I'd expect 5-7 unbeaten AND 1 loss teams. Which is a mess to try to pick 4 teams from. The 1-3 unbeaten teams area easy, picking the remaining slots from the one loss teams will be a mess some years--and this year may be a case in point of that (if the playoff was already here).
 
[quote name='blindinglights'] Oklahoma State was a legitimate option last year. They had more wins over ranked teams, an explosive offense, and an opportunistic defense that got plenty of takeaways. Yet with Alabama involved as the other option, defense and "quality of loss" became the deciding factors...

...I'm tired of hearing about "the SEC gauntlet"...I'm getting a little tired of Herbstreit acting like having to roll through Kentucky, Vandy, and Tennessee is more difficult just because they are SEC teams.[/QUOTE]
I agree Ok.St. was an excellent option, I was hoping for it myself. I think that a lot of peolpe didn't end up liking last year's title game, that's why I mentioned that the game last year turned many people off. I hope I'm not wrong in saying that unbeaten teams from the four big conferences are taken over one loss teams this year.

As for being tired of hearing about the SEC, you are preaching to the choir. I live in Metro Atlanta, 20 minutes from the site of each year's SEC championship. All I hear about all season long is the SEC and its alleged "top to bottom superiority".:roll:
 
[quote name='blindinglights']
I just hope whoever plays an SEC team in the national title beats them this year. I'm tired of hearing about "the SEC gauntlet". It's tough to go through any conference undefeated, not just the SEC. Yes, the SEC has Alabama and LSU and the teams that have to play them have a hard schedule, but I'm getting a little tired of Herbstreit acting like having to roll through Kentucky, Vandy, and Tennessee is more difficult just because they are SEC teams.[/QUOTE]
I love the ESPN "SEC Gauntlet" too. You can now add Missouri to that list. This year shows Auburn and Arkansas way down. That is 6 teams that aren't that hard. Then you look at the good teams. They are split between the divisions, in other words they might not play each other i.e. Alabama this year doesn't play any of the top 3 in the East and Georgia doesn't play any of top 4 in the West.
 
There's a reason the SEC wins the BCS every year. Look at Michigan this year against Bama, got crushed. How about Oregon against LSU last year in the kick off game or when they played in Auburn in the BCS. Bama again this year has the #1 defense in all major catagories including points per game only giving up around 8 a game. I would not be surpised if ol' Tommy Tuberville and Texas Tech knock off KSU this Saturday.
 
Yeah, unfortunately the defense wins championship mantra still holds sway it seems. I really hope the game keeps changing and teams with explosive offenses start being able to outscore the traditional defense focused, three yards and a cloud of dust run-oriented offense type of teams.

I hate defensive football battles with a passion. The two Alabama-LSU matchups last year were painfully boring. If I wanted to watch a defense dominated sport I'd watch soccer.

I don't watch much NFL as it's lower scoring, most everyone runs the same type of offense etc. The higher scoring match ups in a lot of games, spread offenses, air raid offenses etc. in college are the only thing that have me still watching the sport. Otherwise I'd have pretty much dropped it like I have baseball and just stick with basketball. Just don't have the interest in sitting and watching sports in general like I used to.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, unfortunately the defense wins championship mantra still holds sway it seems. I really hope the game keeps changing and teams with explosive offenses start being able to outscore the traditional defense focused, three yards and a cloud of dust run-oriented offense type of teams.

I hate defensive football battles with a passion. The two Alabama-LSU matchups last year were painfully boring. If I wanted to watch a defense dominated sport I'd watch soccer.

I don't watch much NFL as it's lower scoring, most everyone runs the same type of offense etc. The higher scoring match ups in a lot of games, spread offenses, air raid offenses etc. in college are the only thing that have me still watching the sport. Otherwise I'd have pretty much dropped it like I have baseball and just stick with basketball. Just don't have the interest in sitting and watching sports in general like I used to.[/QUOTE]

I thought the first LSU/UAT game to be an amazing football game. The second one, however, was a snoozefest.

And I've actually turned from college to the NFL because it's just better football and in many ways more transparent. I mean, there are teams like the Jaguars and Raiders that just stink. But the quality of the game week in and week out is just so much better than the college rank. And more and more teams are adopting what people consider college like strategies (the best offensive teams have been spread teams for a while), which leads to higher scoring games. College just isn't that competitive, and the poll system is a fucking joke. So, I'm caring less and less, which is sad because I used to be really into it.
 
I just have a hard time with pro sports in general. Hard to get passionate about a bunch of whiny millionaires playing a game.

I also grew up in a state with no pro sports, so I was just never big into the NFL or NBA really. Was big into MLB when I grew up playing little league since college baseball is a joke--especially at WVU.
 
I was the same way--grew up in Alabama and didn't care about pro sports at all. But after moving to Texas for grad school I've grown fond of the Texans. They play great defense (the game against the Packers notwithstanding) and have a bruising running game that sets up play action nicely.

And I think that the "whiny millionaires" argument doesn't really hold water. They get paid a lot because their sport makes a lot, and I mean a lot, of money, and they want to make more money off of their labor. I'd rather support that then the NCAA that literally exploits college kids. Student athletes, especially in revenue sports, are part of an unfair system where they do not receive anything near commensurate in return for their work. The NCAA and the concept of amateurism is a farce.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']There's a reason the SEC wins the BCS every year. Look at Michigan this year against Bama, got crushed. How about Oregon against LSU last year in the kick off game or when they played in Auburn in the BCS. Bama again this year has the #1 defense in all major catagories including points per game only giving up around 8 a game. I would not be surpised if ol' Tommy Tuberville and Texas Tech knock off KSU this Saturday.[/QUOTE]
So far all the detractors of the SEC haven't been talking about the top tier of the conference. There is no doubt that Alabama is a cut above or that LSU is also quite good. All of the complaints in the thread have focused on the misconception that the lower performing half of the conference is somehow still better than the whole of other conferences. Any true fan of the game can see that the best teams in the SEC are outstanding, the posts here just reflect the idea that the rest of the conference isn't.

With regards to Texas Tech, I also think they have a good shot at beating KSU.
 
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And I think that the "whiny millionaires" argument doesn't really hold water. They get paid a lot because their sport makes a lot, and I mean a lot, of money, and they want to make more money off of their labor. I'd rather support that then the NCAA that literally exploits college kids. Student athletes, especially in revenue sports, are part of an unfair system where they do not receive anything near commensurate in return for their work. The NCAA and the concept of amateurism is a farce.[/QUOTE]

I can see that. My issue is more just the broader misplaced priorities of society, and how seriously people take sports and spend money on them etc.

I do agree universities could do more for athletes with all the money they make off of them. But getting a full ride (tuition, books, room and board) to college isn't a terrible deal with where tuition and cost of living is these days. But they should get some larger stipend, more travel money to go home etc. on top of that--at least at the major D1 schools.

I also think the NBA and NFL should have their own minor leagues like MLB does so top athletes who don't want to go to college can go get paid to play straight out of high school like they can in baseball.
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']There's a reason the SEC wins the BCS every year. Look at Michigan this year against Bama, got crushed. How about Oregon against LSU last year in the kick off game or when they played in Auburn in the BCS. Bama again this year has the #1 defense in all major catagories including points per game only giving up around 8 a game. I would not be surpised if ol' Tommy Tuberville and Texas Tech knock off KSU this Saturday.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorta tired of defending Oregon, so I'll let this link and quote do it for me:

"In the Auburn game, Oregon lost on a last second field goal, 22-19. The three points was Auburn's second smallest margin of the year, behind at one-point win at Tuscaloosa. Any number of plays could have swung that game. Oregon lost, yes, but the claim cannot be made that Oregon didn't 'hang' with them.

Now we look at the Oregon-LSU game from last season, which Oregon lost 40-27. Oregon actually held LSU to under 300 yards, the 40 points coming on turnovers. Oregon had a freshman center playing his first game against LSU's defensive line, and a freshman in De'Anthony Thomas who was responsible for two of the turnovers. However, Oregon posted the most points of anyone against LSU last season, and the second most yards behind West Virginia. Again, it was the second closest margin for LSU last season, the only one closer being a three point victory against Alabama in Tuscaloosa."

http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2012/10/10/3484100/can-the-oregon-ducks-hang-with-the-sec
 
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