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I only played one game and two practices, one as a goalie, so I don't have much to add. But perhaps offensively, taking our time and avoiding the up and down game game might be in our best interest.
 
[quote name='moojuice']Here's the skinny:
Playing D, I get to see how amazingly bad we all are at d, both in our own zone and in the neutral zone. From watching 4 guys chase a puck carrier in a circle from the side of the net, behind the net and to the other side of the net, to watching you guys cherry pick just as bad as other teams, if not more (yes, you guys cherry pick a lot). The list goes on, and if you really want me to, I'll detail it, but to put it bluntly, it's like watching a kid's tee-ball game where every kid on the field chases the ball as soon as it's hit. If you pay attention, most of the goals scored on us are from above the face-off circles, and guess who's area of responsibility it is...[/QUOTE]

I feel your pain. I obviously haven't played half as many games as you, period, but I know how to play my position and I do so pretty well in most games. I see the same shit, but I usually don't say much since I don't want to sound like an asshole.

After being criticized the other night, I chose to speak up (but tried not to be rude about it) and then I led by example. I don't mean for that to sound arrogant, because that's not my intention. I have a lot of room to improve, but I am completely confident in my abilities as a defenseman (preferably left) and I know how much it sucks getting blamed for "not doing your job" when it's someone else's fault. I'd imagine it's about the same when you're the goalie.

Last night was my first without club play since release, because no one was on after football besides Nate and he had things to do. I'm all for some games after Monday Night Football ends.

EDIT: I'm with statnut as far as cycling the puck more before we cross the blue line, but that's pretty much covered in Hockey 101.
 
If I haven't said this, then I'll say it now. If you see me doing something wrong, or I'm in the wrong spot or whatever, tell me during the game. It doesn't do me any good to hear about it after the fact.

Working tonight until 2 am EST, so unless anyone is on at 3, I doubt I can club until Thursday night.
 
I've told others, but I won't be on tomorrow for our official night unless they deliver Halo: Reach really late. Then I'll have to hip check the delivery man for that. For at least that one night, Halo will not be leaving my Xbox. But like I said, I want to play tonight, if possible.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I see the same shit, but I usually don't say much since I don't want to sound like an asshole.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this doesn't bother me. I'm sure most agree, lol. :whistle2:#

[quote name='Matt Young']EDIT: I'm with statnut as far as cycling the puck more before we cross the blue line, but that's pretty much covered in Hockey 101.[/QUOTE]

This x1000. Throwing it up the boards and rushing the zone really isn't as effective as people think it is. Pulling up and passing across, or even back to a d-man so he can get it to the other side of the ice can get the defense off balance. When you rush it straight in, they usually have you lined up a mile away. And when all else fails, dump and chase is better than a turnover. Once we're in the zone though, there is such a thing as overpassing and getting too cute. Sometimes, 1 pass, 2 pass, shoot is plenty.

moojuice, myself, and Magic actually ran into each other online earlier, and rather than avoiding the issue, we took it head on. The conversation started out pretty heated, but I think Magic understood where we were coming from. We then played 3 games, held a ToA advantage in all 3 (some by double), and went 2-0-1. We lost the last game, after leading 2-1 in the 3rd, when our AI defenseman let a cherry picker get by him, then proceeded to trip him, and then he made the penalty shot (apparently that slider for AI learning does nothing).

We lost in overtime on a big defensive lapse. The opposing team pushed the puck up the ice, our LD was with him, and I (C) was right behind him. Magic (LW) also came with us, and chased myself, the LD, and the puck carrier all the way into the corner, before finally diving into the boards. This left a man wide open at the point, who slid over into the high slot, and fired one past the goalie.

It was unfortunate, because moojuice (RW) was also pinching in toward the goal, so the guy had all day to shoot. They won with half as much time on attack (9:41 to 4:35) and 3 goals on 11 shots (we had 2 on 17). It was a tough loss, but we still knew we played right for most of the game...and the other two games we dominated, shutting both teams out, and giving up less than 10 shots in each game.

[quote name='jza1218']If I haven't said this, then I'll say it now. If you see me doing something wrong, or I'm in the wrong spot or whatever, tell me during the game. It doesn't do me any good to hear about it after the fact.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. We try to point things out in game, but it can be tough with so much going on and having to continue playing. Practice is really the best place for it because we can all pause and look at the replay. That's what we did with the last play in our overtime game (though Magic said he didn't want to watch it): looked at the replay, broke it down, and discussed what went wrong. Maybe it's taking things "too seriously", but how else can you learn?
 
I can't handle join requests since there was an issue with GM spots (game issue, not between people) and I don't have one this year.

I was planning to get on, but I fell asleep. I nodded off during halftime of the Chargers/Chiefs game, woke up, then fell asleep again during the 4th quarter. me, the guy who barely slept 14 days out of the month till recently and even now can't usually get to sleep till 6 A.M. And that was after I stayed awake for the boring ass Jets and Ravens game. Go figure.

So sorry about that... maybe we can play before Reach gets here.
 
I figured I'll come back to play NHL 11 when Reach and ODST stop gaining my interest. I just don't like getting yelled at when people don't play D, then when they do they make up excuses. What ever, I'm done talking in this thread for today. Maybe in a few weeks I'll come back to it again. Who knows.
 
When it comes down to it, its for the sake of playing better as a team, and we just need to give credit where it's due and take the blame when it's needed. I was more adamant last night about getting on people when they weren't doing what they were supposed to, but on the other hand, I took the responsibility for and acknowledged my own mistakes. As a result (of good play, not necessarily my critiquing), we went 6-1-2, never losing by more than one goal, usually winning by at least 2, and we had about 4 shutouts.
 
[quote name='moojuice']When it comes down to it, its for the sake of playing better as a team, and we just need to give credit where it's due and take the blame when it's needed. I was more adamant last night about getting on people when they weren't doing what they were supposed to, but on the other hand, I took the responsibility for and acknowledged my own mistakes. As a result (of good play, not necessarily my critiquing), we went 6-1-2, never losing by more than one goal, usually winning by at least 2, and we had about 4 shutouts.[/QUOTE]

And that one loss was REDONKULOUS. We did everything right that game, we got beat by a goalie that combined Ken Drysden, vintage Martin Brodeur and Grant Fuhr. And our goalie acted like a spastic on the goal he let up.
 
Problem is, I use to love to play. But recently, It's just not fun when all you do is having people yelling at you cause the D sucks. Yet, when they try D them selves, they seem to make excuses or ignore advice as well. That's all I'm saying really. I remember when it use to be about having fun, win or lose. Now it just seems as some people are intent about getting into the playoffs and are all to serious now. I guess I'll see how Friday goes. If I just don't feel like it use to, then I guess I'm out of the CAG team. Sadly enough, I could play with randoms and enjoy it a lot better.
 
Being there for 3 games last night, it was pretty fun going 2-1 with our loss being that ridiculous goal in the 3rd period. I was caught out of position a few times as a D-man but I'd like to blame it on the fact that my guy skates like a slug, something I'll have to get used to in this mode and position myself better at all times.
 
In previous seasons, we were at least doing decent, winning games here and there, but as of late, there have been nights where we play 10-15 games and get stomped every single game. Looking back at last week's Fri-sat-sun record, we lost 15 of 17 games, which regardless of conversation, is not pretty

Sure, the conversation is great/hilarious/homoerotic, but like Nate said last night, if we were in it for the conversation, we don't need to be spending $60 to play NHL 11 and get run over every game. We could just as easily be playing UNO and shoot the shit over party chat playing that. We aren't shooting for elite status, but we just want to play the game properly and not get our sticks thrusted up our rectums every game. As for as the people who make up excuses, but can't play D etc., it's probably the wrong set of people within the team you played with I guess. Last night, which I'm sure others can vouch for me when I say this, I wasn't too condescending, but simply stated what needed to be done as a whole, rarely targeted one person, explained why something had to be done when it wasn't, and took the blame when it was my own fault for messing up.

And yeah, the one regulation loss was pure ridiculous extract straight from the redonkulous fruit.
 
Yeah, I'm going to shut up for the next few weeks. Just going to say that we all have a million ways to improve, but half of us don't even know what's wrong in the first place. I'll admit I don't play my position all that well, but yesterday didn't seem too bad other than the overtime game. As I said yesterday, we run into so many teams where our wingers get bored as hell because the other team never uses the D. I think we covered a lot it that heated talk yesterday, but we didn't cover it all. Look, I'm going to be playing this a fair bit, so if you guys want to give suggestions, tell me. I've said numerous times that I can't improve something when I don't know what's wrong with it.
 
[quote name='Vulcan2422']Problem is, I use to love to play. But recently, It's just not fun when all you do is having people yelling at you cause the D sucks. Yet, when they try D them selves, they seem to make excuses or ignore advice as well. That's all I'm saying really. I remember when it use to be about having fun, win or lose. Now it just seems as some people are intent about getting into the playoffs and are all to serious now. I guess I'll see how Friday goes. If I just don't feel like it use to, then I guess I'm out of the CAG team. Sadly enough, I could play with randoms and enjoy it a lot better.[/QUOTE]

That's all fine and good, but what part of losing 15 out of 17 games is fun? That's like 7-8 hours of time doing nothing and looking stupid in the process. If we're just playing to talk and joke around, then we seriously need to set up an Uno night. There are some exceptions, but it's not like every team that beats us is that good either. Like Alan said, he accepts the blame when he screws up, and I do when I screw up. I've even tried to make a habit of pointing out when something is my fault so people know that I'm aware that I'm not perfect either. With this much experience, it's just hard to turn a blind eye and say that all the goals the other team scores are "bullshit".

Last night, we had a group of 5, one who had only played with the CAG team once, one playing with us for the first time, and another who hasn't played near as much as some people. And we dominated most of the games (going 4-1-1 over that stretch). We even played an elite team and lost 2-1 in overtime. Despite being a new group that hadn't played together, we all did well because we all covered our positions and didn't take huge risks. There's no reason we can't be competitive. It's not even a "we have to win every game!" thing. But when we're getting blown out by 5 goals and wanting to quit, why keep playing? There's no good reason why everybody can't improve.

[quote name='azngtlman']Being there for 3 games last night, it was pretty fun going 2-1 with our loss being that ridiculous goal in the 3rd period. I was caught out of position a few times as a D-man but I'd like to blame it on the fact that my guy skates like a slug, something I'll have to get used to in this mode and position myself better at all times.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think you did great for your first night. I noticed a couple times you got caught out of position, but nothing you couldn't recover from. I don't know if you could hear any of what we were talking about, but I noticed that with the group of 5 we had last night, none of us were big risk takers. Nobody really loaded up on huge hits or pushed for breakaway goals. It was pretty much just solid and steady, and more about making the other team play our game. It just felt much more fundamental, which I liked.

[quote name='Magicking610']As I said yesterday, we run into so many teams where our wingers get bored as hell because the other team never uses the D. I think we covered a lot it that heated talk yesterday, but we didn't cover it all. Look, I'm going to be playing this a fair bit, so if you guys want to give suggestions, tell me. I've said numerous times that I can't improve something when I don't know what's wrong with it.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how that's a good reason to play out of position. Because you know what will happen? The second you puck chase because you're "bored", and leave that AI D-man by himself, they'll pass it to him. And like Alan said, he gets bored when we're on offense and all the forwards do is turn the puck over and force cross creases.

I don't know how you could sit here and say that nobody tells you what you do wrong. I think people point it out more with you than with anybody. Remember before we started playing when I said that I hate when the wingers puck chase when myself and the d-man have it covered because it makes me feel like I suck and they don't think me supporting the d-man is enough? And that it confuses me and makes me want to drop back to cover the guy that they're not defending...putting both of us out of position. That's exactly what you did in our OT loss yesterday. The d-man was on the puck carrier, I had him blanketed...and for whatever reason, you were blanketing me. Then, to make matters worse, you dive at the boards, taking yourself out of the play completely.

I know it's just one play, but that's exactly what I was talking about. I get that at one point, the guy WAS in your zone as he was rushing the puck in, but once he gets beyond the faceoff circle, you have to recognize that we've got him, and let him go. Otherwise, the trailing players catch up, and have nobody ready to defend them. The wingers have to stay on the point, and just let me help out our d-men. You'll be rewarded for it when I'm able to feed you the puck up the boards.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I know it's just one play, but that's exactly what I was talking about. I get that at one point, the guy WAS in your zone as he was rushing the puck in, but once he gets beyond the faceoff circle, you have to recognize that we've got him, and let him go. Otherwise, the trailing players catch up, and have nobody ready to defend them. The wingers have to stay on the point, and just let me help out our d-men. You'll be rewarded for it when I'm able to feed you the puck up the boards.[/QUOTE]

I still don't understand why we do zone instead of one on one. There might be 3 guys on high right point, but there's only one guy who's supposed to cover them. There is where we all fuck up, either no one steps up to help out there, or everyone goes to help at the same time. We gotta try out stuff, even if it's a "try whatever you want game" and if we do best that game, then that's what we do. As for the people who say we take this to seriously, they have to make those assumptions BEFORE I post, because how serious I take this is unhealthy. Hell, half the reason I'm puck chasing guys now is because I know that eventually the team is going to fold again, and I want to be able to hit anyone from any angle in case I come across a team looking for defensive players. Blame me for looking too far into the future, I don't care, but the way this has been lately makes me wonder how far into the future it is.
 
You know what was great about last night? Someone would say, "Ah sorry I was trying to blah blah blah" and someone else would say "Nah I should've blah blah blahed." We did a good job of diagnosing when we did something wrong, and admitting it.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']I still don't understand why we do zone instead of one on one. There might be 3 guys on high right point, but there's only one guy who's supposed to cover them. There is where we all fuck up, either no one steps up to help out there, or everyone goes to help at the same time. We gotta try out stuff, even if it's a "try whatever you want game" and if we do best that game, then that's what we do. As for the people who say we take this to seriously, they have to make those assumptions BEFORE I post, because how serious I take this is unhealthy. Hell, half the reason I'm puck chasing guys now is because I know that eventually the team is going to fold again, and I want to be able to hit anyone from any angle in case I come across a team looking for defensive players. Blame me for looking too far into the future, I don't care, but the way this has been lately makes me wonder how far into the future it is.[/QUOTE]

Again, the worst possible points ever presented in an argument. Playing a zone is the easiest, most efficient defense to run. I'm going to assume that by "one on one" you're suggesting man-to-man. But trying to track one guy all over the ice would be a clusterfuck waiting to happen. I would think it would be especially difficult for you since you've told us numerous times about your crappy small TV and that it's difficult to tell who people are.

If the offensive team has 3 guys just camped out at the right point, who cares? What are they going to do? Pass the puck in a tiny circle and take a 30 foot slapshot? Even then, at worst it would be 3 of their guys to 2 of ours because the right wing would be there...and the center would be providing support. Bottom line, they are not going to score like that. That's not where we have a problem, so why bring it up?

Go look at our recent games from last night. The group we had last night had no trouble at all grasping the concept of covering their area and forcing the other team to take bad shots...if they were able to get a shot off at all. Many times, they struggled to even get into our zone because we had the blue line stacked, ready to pounce on them. It's really not that hard, and as Alan and I explained to you, suggesting a more complicated defensive scheme is not going to work when we're having trouble playing a Hockey 101 zone.
 
Stepping away from the team for a second, I have the following HUT cards up for trade/sale:

Mike Commodore RD, rated 84 with a potential of 87. 11 games left on initial contract, 64 career games left. 2 upgrade slots left, salary is 1250.

Kari Lehtonen, G, rated 84 with a potential of 90. He has 4 upgrade slots, and costs 1540. He has five games left on his initial contract, and 78 career games left.

Brad Winchester, LW, rated 79 with a potential of 84. He had 3 upgrade slots left, and costs 1210. He has 10 games left on his initial contract and 60 career games.

Radek Hamr, D, rated 77 overall, potential 79. He has 1 upgrade slot left, with a salary of 1150. He has 6 games left on his initial contract, and 45 career games left.

Andy Murray, C, rated 77 overall, potential 82. He has 3 upgrades left, and his salary is 1140. He has 10 games left on his contract, and 60 career games to go.

Coaches:
A. James-+2 Qck
B. Adams-+2 Sht

Jerseys:
Providence Bruins home jersey
Charlotte Checkers home jersey
Hamilton Bulldogs home jersey
Jokerit home jersey

I'm looking for Marc Staal, possibly the Whalers jersey, pucks and lower rated players who can be raised up.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Again, the worst possible points ever presented in an argument. Playing a zone is the easiest, most efficient defense to run. I'm going to assume that by "one on one" you're suggesting man-to-man. But trying to track one guy all over the ice would be a clusterfuck waiting to happen. I would think it would be especially difficult for you since you've told us numerous times about your crappy small TV and that it's difficult to tell who people are.

If the offensive team has 3 guys just camped out at the right point, who cares? What are they going to do? Pass the puck in a tiny circle and take a 30 foot slapshot? Even then, at worst it would be 3 of their guys to 2 of ours because the right wing would be there...and the center would be providing support. Bottom line, they are not going to score like that. That's not where we have a problem, so why bring it up?

Go look at our recent games from last night. The group we had last night had no trouble at all grasping the concept of covering their area and forcing the other team to take bad shots...if they were able to get a shot off at all. Many times, they struggled to even get into our zone because we had the blue line stacked, ready to pounce on them. It's really not that hard, and as Alan and I explained to you, suggesting a more complicated defensive scheme is not going to work when we're having trouble playing a Hockey 101 zone.[/QUOTE]

If playing a zone is easy and efficient, then why do we have problems doing it? It doesn't matter how many bad points I come up with, you come up with worse explanations. Giant clusterfucks? Come on, that's what most of our games turn out to be late at night anyway. This has turned out to be a pain in the ass that I never get left alone about. And you know what? I'm going to keep doing this until something changes. Be it me being kicked off the team, the team folding, or actually hanging up the issues and getting some real chemestry for the team, you guys can depend on me being a thorn in your ass as long as you guys are.

Now, I know I'm going to get shit on for this, but I get shit on for something I post every week; I'm starting to not give a damn anymore.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']If playing a zone is easy and efficient, then why do we have problems doing it? It doesn't matter how many bad points I come up with, you come up with worse explanations. Giant clusterfucks? Come on, that's what most of our games turn out to be late at night anyway. This has turned out to be a pain in the ass that I never get left alone about. And you know what? I'm going to keep doing this until something changes. Be it me being kicked off the team, the team folding, or actually hanging up the issues and getting some real chemestry for the team, you guys can depend on me being a thorn in your ass as long as you guys are.

Now, I know I'm going to get shit on for this, but I get shit on for something I post every week; I'm starting to not give a damn anymore.[/QUOTE]

Let me preface this by saying, the only reason myself and others might be coming at you hard about this is because you keep opposing the idea of simply playing properly by suggesting some imaginary defensive "scheme" that simply doesn't exist. The things Alan and I have been stressing are solid, tangible examples of what people need to do to get better. Keep to your area of coverage (with the puck carrier being the priority), don't let opposing team players get behind you on the rush, don't abandon the defensive zone too early, etc.

The reason people struggle with it is because they miss assignments, load up on hits that put them out of position, or get caught up chasing the puck. And really, underlying that is the issue of making bad passes and turning the puck over so that we're having to play defense too much. When you're giving up a 10 minute disadvantage in time on attack, it only makes sense that you lose by several goals. I hate to keep using it as an example, but it's so recent and applicable, it's all I can think of. The OT game we lost when you were the 3rd defender chasing the guy into the corner. Some form of that happens throughout the entirety of a lot of our games with a lot of people. If each player doesn't stick to his area, the zone won't work...but that's true with ANY defense. It's this same reason that we often do better having only 2-3 human players because the AI...as flawed as they can be...generally plays their position well.

What is it about man-to-man that you think would be easier? How do you propose to identify who your man is when multiple players are wearing the same helmet/skates/gloves? The only way I could think of would be to turn on the position indicator for the opposing team...if that's even possible. And personally, I still don't think it would be more effective than playing a solid zone. I'll admit, I don't have the most real life hockey experience, and I don't watch a lot of games, but most examples of defense I've ever seen have talked about defensemen protecting the net. They can't do that if they're running around the ice after their opposing d-man.

And honestly, the biggest reason a zone defense makes sense is because on offense, you're essentially playing a zone too. Sure, people might rotate or circle around, but you're still basically playing within a defined area (or at least you should be). You generally don't see the LW crossing over to the right side of the ice, and vice versa. Pay attention to how the AI plays. It's not like teams are running an Isolation or the freaking Triangle Offense or something. Like I said, look at the club's last 10 games. These numbers aren't coming out of thin air. The team played right, and we won several games and held our own against Elite division teams. Despite not playing together very much, we had all the chemistry we needed. No pun intended, but there's no "magic" answer. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. Ask your Clean Vag if they play man-to-man. I seriously doubt it.

Having said all that, I'm one of the few who didn't get Reach, so I'll be around for our Tuesday Hockey Night tonight in about 45 minutes.
 
RE: Magicking

Wow... really? Bubba Thrustin' it!

I wish I could have joined you guys last night. Sounds like you had a good thing going for the most part.

I know I have Halo: Reach now, but depending on who I'm playing with/what I'm doing in that game, I could be coerced to switch over to NHL. Unless plans change or I fall asleep early like an old man again, I plan to be there Friday regardless of whether I play with you guys before then.
 
One other thing I'll say just as a means of offering a solution. I don't want anybody to not enjoy this game or feel like they've wasted their money (but it should be noted that's how some of us feel when we're losing 15 out of 17). Ideally, yes, we would like everyone to improve and play better. But if that's too serious or too much of a time commitment for anybody, there's no reason a second "casual" team couldn't be created. I'd rather not split up the team, because we all know what happened when we tried that last year. You'd get seven guys from Team A on, and only 1 from Team B. I didn't think the notion of playing smart hockey would be such a hot button issue, but that is always an option.
 
You can still have fun and try to win, I don't understand what the issue is? What's the fun in losing 5-0 all the time? This is a game where you can't win running around like a chicken with its' head cut off.

And a man-to-man defense is asking for trouble IMO. It'll lead to players skating around all over the ice, trying to stick with their man.
 
Seriously, I have seen too many games in the last couple years, with various players, in which I'll see 3, sometimes all 4 other guys chasing the puck carrier around in circles in an endless loop. Not that I'm perfect- far from it- but I see that stuff and think *facepalm* as the Benny Hill theme music plays in my head as the soundtrack to the action on the ice.

My biggest problem has been stopping myself from going for the (very satisfying) big hits, but I think I've improved on that quite a bit after the first couple days. Now if I could just score more... not that that is my primary objective as a defenseman, but while I'm good for the most part on D, I could stand to score some more goals, especially since I'm sure there will be some games in which I'll move up to wing to allow others to play defenseman.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']If playing a zone is easy and efficient, then why do we have problems doing it? It doesn't matter how many bad points I come up with, you come up with worse explanations. Giant clusterfucks? Come on, that's what most of our games turn out to be late at night anyway. This has turned out to be a pain in the ass that I never get left alone about. And you know what? I'm going to keep doing this until something changes. Be it me being kicked off the team, the team folding, or actually hanging up the issues and getting some real chemestry for the team, you guys can depend on me being a thorn in your ass as long as you guys are.

Now, I know I'm going to get shit on for this, but I get shit on for something I post every week; I'm starting to not give a damn anymore.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to preface this post to any new people who may read this and think I am picking on him for no reason: magic king has already left our team for "better" teams and consequently got kicked off the "better" teams, been kicked off the CAG team at least twice, and used a racial slur against a fellow CAG team member. So before you think I am going off on this guy for no reason, keep that in the back of your mind if you read the rest of this post at all.

Are you fucking kidding me magic? I'm going to break this post down, address everything, and you better come up with an explanation for each point or I am straight up going to ignore you unless you do.

If playing a zone is easy and efficient, then why do we have problems doing it? It doesn't matter how many bad points I come up with, you come up with worse explanations.
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No, its hard for YOU to do. Remember how we played three games in the Zone D, and won 2 but SHUTOUT. MEANING THE OTHER TEAM DIDN'T fuckING SCORE. AS IS 0, ZERO, GOOSE EGG, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH. And the game we lost, it came from a man who scored THAT RECEIVED THE PUCK IN THE ZONE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO COVER BUT DIDN'T.

Also, 5 of us played 9 games last night, and 3 of us never played together before.
-WE WON 6 OF 9, 2 by SHUTOUT, and GAVE UP A COMBINED 5 GOALS, while SCORING 11.
-The stats don't show it, but we never gave up more than 10 shots.

Please, please, please, I beg you to explain how Zone D is ineffective. I just justified why Zone D works with STATISTICS and ACTUAL IN-GAME EXAMPLES. And while you're at it, I beg you to explain why Man-to-man is a good defense.

Giant clusterfucks? Come on, that's what most of our games turn out to be late at night anyway. This has turned out to be a pain in the ass that I never get left alone about. And you know what? I'm going to keep doing this until something changes.
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Which is why we are ADDRESSING THE ISSUE. What, you think the problem is going to go away if you ignore it? And you blatantly say you are going against the solution we are proposing, and have the nerve to say it isn't working?

Be it me being kicked off the team, the team folding, or actually hanging up the issues and getting some real chemestry for the team, you guys can depend on me being a thorn in your ass as long as you guys are.

Now, I know I'm going to get shit on for this, but I get shit on for something I post every week; I'm starting to not give a damn anymore.
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Then why not GTFO? Like I said earlier, you left the team on your own accord once already. ANd you were kicked off the team shortly after that. We even allowed you to come back despite that, and you still managed to get kicked off the team again.

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Hell, half the reason I'm puck chasing guys now is because I know that eventually the team is going to fold again, and I want to be able to hit anyone from any angle in case I come across a team looking for defensive players.
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So you're admitting to not trying to play a zone d, yet you ask "why do we have problems doing it?" Well no shit it isn't working Sherlock, because YOU aren't trying. "Herp derp, why isn't this car going forward...I'm sitting on the roof and yelling "VROOM VROOM" but this car aint moving herp derp, this car sux ballz"

And yeah, a team is really going to want to recruit a winger who would rather go for a hit than score goals. :roll:
Makes sense to me.

Ok, your turn magic.
 
"Herp derp, why isn't this car going forward...I'm sitting on the roof and yelling "VROOM VROOM" but this car aint moving herp derp, this car sux ballz" :rofl:
 
The boss and the pumkin leave Friday morning for 10 days. This leaves me with a very well behaved, goes-to-bed-at-a-good-time monkey. This also means I can use my mic for the next ten days. Im excited to be a good soldier for the CAG team (I mean that in all sincerity, Im better at taking than giving... orders that is)

I also just wanted to chime in on the Defensive battle that has been going on, as a hockey guy the zone defense is the best and easiest to use. It take self control and discipline. But isnt that what a team sport is all about anyway?

There is still tones of fun to be had, and even more with the "W's" that can be obtained. So lets grab a case of beer and kick some a$$ Friday night.
 
[quote name='Captain OBVIOU5']I also just wanted to chime in on the Defensive battle that has been going on, as a hockey guy the zone defense is the best and easiest to use. It take self control and discipline. But isnt that what a team sport is all about anyway?[/QUOTE]

Thank you! That should really end the discussion on that subject. As Alan said last night, hockey, like soccer, is just a zone sport. If man-to-man was really a valid option, it would be a defensive setting in the game. And it's definitely not how the AI plays. Another big reason for zone that amazingly hasn't been brought up is penalties. You sure as hell wouldn't keep playing man-to-man if you had a guy (or even 2) in the box. So, basically, the team would have to be great at playing man-to-man at full strength, and great at playing zone on penalty kills. That's way too much to ask. It makes a lot more sense to just play zone all the time.

Also, great to hear you'll be able to use your mic this week! We'll let you yell at people when they screw up, that way we keep things fresh! haha, j/k :)
 
All right, so moving on from all that, listen to Alan if you want, I'm used to people ignoring me. But I'll stick with the zone D for now. And now that I think about it, since I seem to puck chase, why don't I try playing Center a bit?

So Alan, you want my explaination? I was pissed off, it happens. Sometimes I think a chaotic game would be better than what we do, and if we have a week where we lose 15 or 17, why not? So if your done bitching at me saying I can't play zone D, why don't you open your eyes this Friday and watch me?
 
You know, we are 8-4 over the last 3 days. Seems like people are starting to get the hang of the zone defense, and their responsibilities.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']All right, so moving on from all that, listen to Alan if you want, I'm used to people ignoring me. But I'll stick with the zone D for now. And now that I think about it, since I seem to puck chase, why don't I try playing Center a bit?

So Alan, you want my explaination? I was pissed off, it happens. Sometimes I think a chaotic game would be better than what we do, and if we have a week where we lose 15 or 17, why not? So if your done bitching at me saying I can't play zone D, why don't you open your eyes this Friday and watch me?[/QUOTE]
You didn't answer a single question.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']But I'll stick with the zone D for now.[/QUOTE]
Well, this sounds promising.

[quote name='Magicking610']And now that I think about it, since I seem to puck chase, why don't I try playing Center a bit?[/QUOTE]

So, you're going to play center...better than I play center? Is that what you're saying?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']So, you're going to play center...better than I play center? Is that what you're saying?[/QUOTE]

Oh hell no, you've always been a better center than me. Just saying that if I puck chase so much, at least give me a position where I can sort of get away with it.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']Oh hell no, you've always been a better center than me. Just saying that if I puck chase so much, at least give me a position where I can sort of get away with it.[/QUOTE]

So, learning to not do it isn't an option?
 
Learn? No need to learn, watch me do it. Just saying that if I start to take to many risks, you might want to switch me to center. I'm surprised that after 9 months you still havn't realized how much of a risk taker I am.
 
[quote name='Magicking610']Learn? No need to learn, watch me do it. Just saying that if I start to take to many risks, you might want to switch me to center. I'm surprised that after 9 months you still havn't realized how much of a risk taker I am.[/QUOTE]

But there is a difference between taking a risk and being stupid. The Darwin Awards prove this. But that's fine. Whatever you say.
 
So how did you guys do last night? I saw Nate and Alan on, but I had a good party going for Halo and it was the first night, so although I was tempted, I didn't join.

I definitely want to play some hockey soon. Things seem to be coming together, except for Magic, and I'm excited to be a part of that.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']So how did you guys do last night? I saw Nate and Alan on, but I had a good party going for Halo and it was the first night, so although I was tempted, I didn't join.

I definitely want to play some hockey soon. Things seem to be coming together, except for Magic, and I'm excited to be a part of that.[/QUOTE]

We only played a couple games because it was late and the servers got shut down so they could upload a new tuner set (though amazingly, that took less than 5 minutes...bravo, EA!) But we lost our first game to an Elite team (with a record of 25-4-4 and an overall rank of 755...and they only have 3 players on their club, and we faced them) 4-2, though we definitely outplayed them, having like 5 minutes more time on attack, and more shots.

They were just getting some incredibly fortunate bounces, and finished with 4 goals on 12 shots. We ended with 2 goals on 17 shots. Still pleased to play that well against one of the better teams though. I said several times we easily could have had one more goal and they easily could have had one less.

The second game was scoreless midway through the 1st period, when Alan needed to let his dog out. So, I paused the game, and within 5 seconds, we got a disconnect message. I don't know what happened, but we were given a 3-0 win, so that was nice. After that we just ran a practice session because Alan wanted to test a potential glitch shot. It was just tough to get it off because of how well the AI defense plays this year.

One glitch we definitely ran into though was against that Elite team. They pulled that skate backward for a second to get by the defenseman crap, and he just stopped and let him by just like last year. As soon as we saw it, Alan and I said almost in unison "Whoa...that still works???" They only did it once though, but it is something to look out for.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']We only played a couple games because it was late and the servers got shut down so they could upload a new tuner set (though amazingly, that took less than 5 minutes...bravo, EA!) But we lost our first game to an Elite team (with a record of 25-4-4 and an overall rank of 755...and they only have 3 players on their club, and we faced them) 4-2, though we definitely outplayed them, having like 5 minutes more time on attack, and more shots.

They were just getting some incredibly fortunate bounces, and finished with 4 goals on 12 shots. We ended with 2 goals on 17 shots. Still pleased to play that well against one of the better teams though. I said several times we easily could have had one more goal and they easily could have had one less.

The second game was scoreless midway through the 1st period, when Alan needed to let his dog out. So, I paused the game, and within 5 seconds, we got a disconnect message. I don't know what happened, but we were given a 3-0 win, so that was nice. After that we just ran a practice session because Alan wanted to test a potential glitch shot. It was just tough to get it off because of how well the AI defense plays this year.

One glitch we definitely ran into though was against that Elite team. They pulled that skate backward for a second to get by the defenseman crap, and he just stopped and let him by just like last year. As soon as we saw it, Alan and I said almost in unison "Whoa...that still works???" They only did it once though, but it is something to look out for.[/QUOTE]

We definitely could have won that first game. The goal where the the player banked the puck in on a 90 degree angle off the goalies pads was ridiculous. We were pressuring them well in our offensive zone, forcing turnovers and getting quality shots. That game was a microcosm of what can be done when the game is played right.
 
Nate, the thing you said was a glitch shot, what did they do?

It looks like I'm going to have to step my game up twice as much now since you guys have been doing so good. Hopefully we can extend the wins into tomorrow's hockey night, eh?
 
[quote name='Magicking610']Nate, the thing you said was a glitch shot, what did they do?

It looks like I'm going to have to step my game up twice as much now since you guys have been doing so good. Hopefully we can extend the wins into tomorrow's hockey night, eh?[/QUOTE]

Same as last year: pulling the puck behind you and picking the corner over the goalie's shoulder. We've seen it a couple times, but the shot seems to have to be ridiculously accurate. The guy who did it literally hit the corner where the post meets the crossbar, and it bounced in.

The fact that you have to be that accurate + the AI playing better defense kinda negates it being a "glitch" to me (if you can only pull it off 1 out of 30 times...it's not a glitch...just a lucky shot). But we still wanted to test it just to be sure. Glitching the AI d-man is without question still there though. That blew my mind when I saw that again.
 
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