Penn State Rape Scandal

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/s...-state-has-exemption-from-disclosure-law.html

The criminal allegations against Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State assistant football coach accused of sexually abusing young boys, have prompted questions about what officials at Penn State knew and when.


But the public’s access to e-mails, phone records and other potentially critical evidence is restricted because Penn State has a special exemption from having to disclose a host of information that state agencies and many other state universities are forced to divulge under Pennsylvania’s Right to Know Law.
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Change the law. Nao.
 
The fuck @ the last two articles. This just keeps getting more and more messed up.

As an accountant I can confirm there's no tax advantage to transferring ownership to a spouse that I know of. Definitely sounds like he's trying to shield his house from legal proceedings.
 
[quote name='Javery']I hope you aren't implying that the inaction on the part of Paterno and McQueary is somehow worse than what Sandusky did.[/QUOTE]
No, I wasn't implying that. More or less implying that in my mind at least they are about as bad as Sandusky is.
 
I believe that he believes that he did, but I don't think he did. He probably told them to "quit horsing around" but I highly doubt that he went to the actual cops. Had he done that, it wouldn't have taken 9 years to become this well known.
 
Police cover-up, perhaps? Every day something crazier comes out... like how today the judge that let Sandusky out on $100,000 bail (which people were saying was way low) has ties to the Second Mile.
 
[quote name='Javery']Police cover-up, perhaps? Every day something crazier comes out... like how today the judge that let Sandusky out on $100,000 bail (which people were saying was way low) has ties to the Second Mile.[/QUOTE]

Someone was saying there was surprised no one nabbed him after his sudden retirement. Meaning maybe all the other programs were aware.
 
[quote name='Nate Nanjo']So, anyone believe that McQueary actually stopped the act and went to the police?[/QUOTE]

With the level of detail in the Grand Jury report, it's hard to believe his account of things in the "leaked" email.

The intervention would have been mentioned in that report, I'd think. Why would he leave that detail out in recounting events to the grand jury?

As for going to the cops, he may have done so, but I would think it was some time (i.e. not immediately) after he reported it to his father and JoePa. Again, if he mentioned this to the grand jury, why wouldn't they include that?
 
[quote name='dothog']With the level of detail in the Grand Jury report, it's hard to believe his account of things in the "leaked" email.

The intervention would have been mentioned in that report, I'd think. Why would he leave that detail out in recounting events to the grand jury?

As for going to the cops, he may have done so, but I would think it was some time (i.e. not immediately) after he reported it to his father and JoePa. Again, if he mentioned this to the grand jury, why wouldn't they include that?[/QUOTE]

The public doesn't get the full grand jury testimony. We only get a summary of it, just what's necessary for the procurement of the indictment.
 
[quote name='Javery']Police cover-up, perhaps? Every day something crazier comes out... like how today the judge that let Sandusky out on $100,000 bail (which people were saying was way low) has ties to the Second Mile.[/QUOTE]

She should have recused herself but what really bothers me is the unsecured bond/bail. Sandusky doesn't even have to pay the $100K but merely assure his presence in court.
 
"Former FBI Director Louise Freeh to Head Latest Penn State Probe"

Poorly chosen headline of the day award apparently goes to ABC news
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Longtime Assistant Basketball coach Bernie Fine has been accused of molestation and has been fired. Investigation ongoing. Coach Boeheim spoke in support of him initially, but since retracted support after a tape of Fine's wife discussing the molestation with the victim was released.[/QUOTE]

So the wife was banging the kid her husband was trying to molest?
 
[quote name='dothog']So the wife was banging the kid her husband was trying to molest?[/QUOTE]

I haven't followed it very closely, so I'm not sure if it was that or the kid just confronted her about it because she knew what was her husband was doing and recorded the phone call etc.
 
[quote name='dothog']So the wife was banging the kid her husband was trying to molest?[/QUOTE]


No, she waited until he was 18. So I guess it's more like:

The wife waited until the boy her husband abused was an adult... and then started banging him.

Doesn't really make it any better, but I believe that's the more accurate description.
 
and now we're dodging preliminary hearings so that we don't have to face our accusers.

This is more bizarre than any other legal news story I've read in years. I'd be willing to bet that Sandusky somehow or another gets by with a slap on the wrist due to technicalities.
 
Nah, he was never going to be prosecuted for anything, really.

Oddly enough, camoor mentions his death a day or so after I thought to myself "finally, the fucking news around here has shut up about JoePa." Political radio, sports radio, non stop fucking Paterno.

Now it's all preseason baseball hype. stoked!
 
Maybe, maybe not. Personally I think he deserved something for his inaction. I mean his lack of action was largely why Sandusky was able to do this and get away with it for so long. If he'd went to the police and got them involved, we probably would have heard about this years ago instead of now.
 
[quote name='Clak']Maybe, maybe not. Personally I think he deserved something for his inaction. I mean his lack of action was largely why Sandusky was able to do this and get away with it for so long. If he'd went to the police and got them involved, we probably would have heard about this years ago instead of now.[/QUOTE]

I'm far from a Joe Pa apologist (I despise penn st) but he discharged his legal duty when he notified his superiors. Short of proving conspiracy Joe Pa was in the clear.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's the charge, though? Conspiracy?[/QUOTE]

This sounds like a job for Jack McCoy

I miss my ripped from the headlines alternate universe
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's the charge, though? Conspiracy?[/QUOTE]
May be shaky, but I'd say accessory to the crime. Only thing I think is questionable is him reporting it. To me, reporting it to the proper authority would have meant reporting it to the police, which Joe apparently didn't do, he reported it to a superior and it just kind of vanished after that apparently. Seems to me that he was trying to keep it "in the family" so to speak, hoping it wouldn't blow up into some national scandal (hah that worked really well...).
 
negligence is a mens rea, not a crime in and of itself.

negligence is the mental factor - a failure to consider the risk of a situation.

Still not sure what you'd charge JoePa with.

I'm no defender of him, and you all know how much sincere disdain I have for college sports - but I don't see him having committed a crime here. Conspiracy is the closest, but kind of a meh charge.

It's all a fun mental exercise, though, since dead men don't get charged.

In other news, Sandusky is granted some rights to see his grandkids, etc.: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...grandchildren-local-jury-judge_n_1273304.html
 
[quote name='kill3r7']I'm far from a Joe Pa apologist (I despise penn st) but he discharged his legal duty when he notified his superiors. Short of proving conspiracy Joe Pa was in the clear.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. And I'm the same way. Early on, I considered Paterno a creep for hearing about this, then allowing the guy on campus and around the program afterwards, but HIS story is that he told the AD they needed to look into a situation, because his GA said he saw something inappropriate in the showers. One could reasonably assume that if he asked the AD to look into it, the AD did, and found the story was false. Then seeing Sandusky back on campus would be evidence that they investigated and found him innocent.

JoePa still should have followed up to see how the allegation started in the first place (which is what he claimed his biggest regret was), but the AD and school president are the ones who are facing legal charges for inaction. Paterno, whether he was lying or not, actually is absolved of legal responsibilty, and does have a story that a person could possibly believe, thinking his superiors did their job and found the molestation story to be false.

As somebody who coaches youth, understanding the trust that kids and parents have in you, to exploit that so you can ruin a person's childhood and life is so far beyond despical I cannt express it. I sincerely believe that sex crimes against kids should be death penalty-worthy.
 
He basically follow the letter of the law by telling someone, but didn't follow the spirit of the law, which is to protect kids.
 
Am I the only one who thinks he should have just gone straight to the police? If I'm remembering correctly, he just sent it up the chain of command and the school.
 
[quote name='Clak']Am I the only one who thinks he should have just gone straight to the police? If I'm remembering correctly, he just sent it up the chain of command and the school.[/QUOTE]

You're not the only one. I thought the same thing when the news broke. However, the law in PA only requires that an idividual notify his/her superior, which he did. Thus, Joe Pa discharged his duties.

It goes without saying that Joe Pa did not want any negative attention brought upon the program. So keeping it in house worked well for him and the athletic department.
 
[quote name='Clak']Am I the only one who thinks he should have just gone straight to the police? If I'm remembering correctly, he just sent it up the chain of command and the school.[/QUOTE]


It's my understanding he reported it to his superiors and the head of campus police, and since campus police is a full fledged police force that just so happens to have a small jurisdiction, he did report it. It's just that the head of campus police was in on the cover up.

Since I've never followed up on suspicious activity I've reported to the police (my near campus apartment was in a bad area), I can't really see where he did anything wrong. I think most people trust an officer of the law to do their job without being checked up on.
 
[quote name='Clak']Am I the only one who thinks he should have just gone straight to the police? If I'm remembering correctly, he just sent it up the chain of command and the school.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely think the GA who saw it happen should have immediately stepped in, and called the cops before even leaving campus. When Paterno heard the story, he should have called the cops. The only devil's advocate argument is that he'd known the guy for years and was supposedly an advocate for kids (through his public image), so hearing one story, second-hand may have been enough of a shock, or out of character based on the image JoePa had of the guy, that he didn't want Sandusky to be called a child rapist based on one story.

I think all of us would've called the cops right away, but we're also not 80 year old football coaches who have run one of the biggest programs of all time for 50 years. It's hard to step into his shoes on this one.
 
Someone should have called the cops. The GA should have physically stopped it, physically apprehended him, and called the police. Paterno shouldn't have even been involved. Sandusky had retired 5 years earlier, and had nothing to do with the football team. Besides, wtf are you doing going to the head football coach the next day rather than going straight to the police. Paterno went to the head of campus police, and his superiors, so I'm assuming he figured it would be taken care of. It isn't something I personally would keep track of after reporting, considering Sandusky would have no longer been my employee nor was he connected to my football team. Nevermind the fact that I never saw it, and that I heard it the next day from a man that went home to his dad to tell him rather than the police.
 
The "graduate assistant" was a 27 year old, 6'4", 240 pound former QB who witnessed a 60-something year old man ass-raping a ten year old boy.

I'm sorry, the dude was about my size, and he couldn't physically put a stop to that situation and call the cops on the spot? And his solution is to go to his head coach the next day?

What did people expect Paterno to do? Shoot Sandusky execution style on someone else's word?
 
The problem I have with that is as follows.

People either have the "hero gene" or they dont. If a person isnt already predisposed to the willingness to put themselves in harms why then they will never be. Period. Although I would have been tackling this guy I dont expect everyone to do the same.

What I am disgusted at is the fact that you witness this, then left without saying anything to anyone, then drove home, called your father and he told you to tell JoePa in the morning.

What the fuck dude? How much of a coward are you that you not only cant stop the crime from happening in real time but you dont even have the balls to call the police after you leave? Sometimes the people who allow evil to happen are as wrong as the people committing them. This was 3 cowardly men at action. The GA was trying to protect himself and the school, his father was trying to protect his son and JoePa was trying to protect his legacy. No one had the stones to simply call the police that wasnt directly associated with the school. The worst kind of cowards here...the worst.
 
I wouldn't have involved myself, I would have just whipped out the phone and called the police. It's what the GA should have done, it's what Paterno himself should have done (and I mean the actual police, not the campus goons).
 
[quote name='Clak'] (and I mean the actual police, not the campus goons).[/QUOTE]


As I mentioned above, campus police are "actual police". They are no different than than a small town police department. They can arrest you, write you a citation, and take your ass to jail just like a sheriff's deputy or state trooper.
 
Heh, if my experience with campus police at the University where I work is any indication, he should have called the actual city police department. Campus police are about a step up from security guards at a mall in my experience.
 
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