PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

There is a scheduled PSN maintenance today. It was announced last week--supposed to be down around six hours today from like 1-7 EST.
 
RiPPn said:
This is eye opening and and makes it pretty funny when Xbox fans try to say the PS4 has no games. And that summer drought on the Xbox One is coming, ouch!
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In before timbo comes in and says but but guys, most of those are psn games and not retail games, you cant count those!!! Come on guys, grow up.

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It's going to be comical watching the hypocrisy unfold when these xbox fanboys start using indie games in list wars when indie games start releasing for iD@Xbox, hell they already use downloadable titles like  Peggle 2  Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, Halo: Spartan Assault, etc. yet any game on the PS4 that didn't get a retail release is just indie garbage.   And to discount them as being the same as free mobile games or 3 to 4 hour bitesize games shows they have no clue what they are talking about.  I'm over 40 hours in on Mercenary Kings and dozens of hours in Resogun, there can be some great gaming experiences found in these downloadable only and indie games.  I can't wait for Child of Light next week and it's not getting a retail release.  smh

 
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Deader2818 said:
He already kinda said that in the x1 thread. I think he really doesn't like indie games.
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not true i love indie games. The free indie games are one of the best part's of ps plus in recent months. I just don't feel people can use indie games in argument for games on a system that would make people pay 400-500 bucks for a system just to play indie's. That argument goes for both sides. I could never understand why people even bring up game numbers this early in console life.

 
I really dont think anyone is saying that people will buy a PS4 for indies but it does help to fill in gaps and so far the PS4 has a lot of great indies.

 
Indie games to me are just like any other type of game. Some are great and I love them, some I see why they're deemed good but just aren't my cup of tea, and some I just hate.

I'm not big into the ones with retro graphics, but otherwise I've had a great time with stuff like Guacamelee. Both indie and xbla/PSN games from bigger devs add some much needed variety to what's coming out at retail.


I also had my first PS4 crash last night. Was playing Dead Nation and hit the PS button. The game would restart or close. And the system froze when I told it to shut down. Had to pull the plug. Started back up fine (after going into safe mode first) at least.
 
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8bitArtist said:
the funny thing is, if a game the caliber of the legend of zelda, super mario bros 3, mega man 2, etc... which are beloved by all gamers who grew up with the NES; would come out today, they would be indie games and people with your attitude would shit on them
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Rightfully so. The classic games you mentioned above revolutionized gaming for decades to come. The majority of the Indie games today are not doing this. They are merely tapping into the nostalgia factor and are riding the coattails of these classic games. Let's take Guacamalee for example, which is a game that I absolutely love, gameplay/design wise it does nothing new. Gucamelee is an homage to Metroidvania games but it is not at the same level as Metroid or SOTN. Metroid and Castlevania did it first and did it better. The sad truth is that the Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros 3 and Mega Man 2 are better than 99.9% of the indie games coming out today. Indie games are thriving because major developers have abandoned these genres due to low sales figures.

 
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Mixer23 said:
I'll never understand why people feel this way.
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Because I didn't pay $400 for a top-of-the-line gaming machine to play something that looks like this

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I'd rather use my multi-hundred dollar investment to play something that plays better and looks something like this:

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But the hook of buying a nice new gaming console is being able to play the games you couldn't imagine having played when you were 6 years old - hence the expensive price. That Retro City Rampage garbage could run on an NES. Why should I buy a Playstation 4 for it?

 
Don't? You don't have to buy a system to just play indie games. Doesn't mean you should be close minded and not try them.

You already dropped $400 to play games like Infamous etc. Why not try out indie games that are actually fun?

If you're just a graphics snob then you shouldn't even be buying consoles.

 
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Deader2818 said:
Don't? You don't have to buy a system to just play indie games. Doesn't mean you should be close minded and not try them.

You already dropped $400 to play games like Infamous etc. Why not try out indie games that are actually fun?

If you're just a graphics snob then you shouldn't even be buying consoles.
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Because of what this dude said


kill3r7 said:
Rightfully so. The classic games you mentioned above revolutionized gaming for decades to come. The majority of the Indie games today are not doing this. They are merely tapping into the nostalgia factor and are riding the coattails of these classic games. Let's take Guacamalee for example, which is a game that I absolutely love, gameplay/design wise it does nothing new. Gucamelee is an homage to Metroidvania games but it is not at the same level as Metroid or SOTN. Metroid and Castlevania did it first and did it better. The sad truth is that the Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros 3 and Mega Man 2 are better than 99.9% of the indie games coming out today. Indie games are thriving because major developers have abandoned these genres due to low sales figures.
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Just because they aren't revolutionary doesn't mean they aren't good, fun games. He even said Guacamalee was a game he loved playing lol. Nice selective reading.

I mean, I really enjoy Infamous, but its not exactly revolutionary either. Honestly, very few games, even the big AAA games are.

 
Even if they aren't revolutionary, I'd rather be at least wowed by the visual flair they offer. That's why I own the newest gaming console. I mean, superior graphics are what I'm expecting these days. Why does EVERY indie game look like it was made by 2 guys in a basement and one of them spent most of the time in the bathroom

 
ORGAN1ZAT10N_13 said:
Even if they aren't revolutionary, I'd rather be at least wowed by the visual flair they offer. That's why I own the newest gaming console. I mean, superior graphics are what I'm expecting these days. Why does EVERY indie game look like it was made by 2 guys in a basement and one of them spent most of the time in the bathroom
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Why are you buying consoles then if all you care about is graphics? You want to be on PC dude.

And most indie games are made by a very small crew of people.

 
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Yeah, if you're that big of a graphics whore why waste time with consoles? Gaming PCs already do graphics better than PS4, and the gap will only grew as new hardware comes out on PC while consoles have 5-7 year generations.

I'm guessing cost is probably them main reason, and that's mostly fair. But you can build a gaming PC that can best PS4 graphics for not much more (especially if you already have a monitor (or will just hook up to the TV), keyboard and mouse etc. And in a couple years you can probably build a PC that would surpass PS4 for less than $400 since PC tech moves so quickly and prices drop on the older model video cards.
 
I don't have time to build a gaming PC and I'm sure as hell not about to spend $2000 on one from Best Buy or wherever 

And how am I supposed to play Killzone or God of War on a PC? I'm pretty sure I need a PS system for that

 
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Fair enough. I've never had time/interest in building or buying one either. But I also don't care that much about graphics. I mean I enjoy nice graphics for sure, but I'm there for the story and gamplay primarily and don't really care what a game looks like otherwise. I'm playing Persona 4 Golden on Vita currently--graphics are nothing great given its a PS2 remake, but I'm having more fun with it than I have any next gen games yet.
 
Deader2818 said:
Graphics doesnt make the game. If you only play games for graphics then I dont know why you play games at all honestly.
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I notice you own a PS4. Was it solely purchased for the gripping tale of Resogun or the countless hours of gameplay MGS5GZ offers? Oh what was that? You could have just as easily gotten Ass Cred 4 on the PS3 and saved $400 but you'd much rather have played it with SUPERIOR GRAPHICS? You don't say.

 
@ORGAN1ZAT10N_13:  You're acting like these indie games and downloadable titles are taking away from the AAA games or something.  They aren't, but what they are doing is keeping people interested in turning on their PS4 and continuing to purchase PS4s when there aren't enough Infamous and Killzones.  In turn these greater sales mean the AAA game publishers flock to the console.  In other words you lose nothing and gain everything, so why bitch about it?

As for indies being nothing more than a homage to the past.. there is some truth to that, but saying games like Guacamelee, Journey, Flower, PixelJunk, etc. are just pale comparisons to the games they borrowed from is complete rubbish.  And like Deader2818 said even the current AAA games borrow gameplay elements from games past, that doesn't make them a worse game for it. smh

 
RiPPn said:
As for indies being nothing more than a homage to the past.. there is some truth to that, but saying games like Guacamelee, Journey, Flower, PixelJunk, etc. are just pale comparisons to the games they borrowed from is complete rubbish. And like Deader2818 said even the current AAA games borrow gameplay elements from games past, that doesn't make them a worse game for it. smh
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Agreed.

And also, they aren't all retro styled. I have zero interest in 8bit looking games, and not that much in 16 bit looking ones--with a few exceptions.

But there are plenty of great looking indie games like Journey, Flower, and even Guacamelee looks a lot better than Super Metroid or any of the Metroidvanias. None are on par with AAA current gen games of course. But they're not all Retro City Rampage either.

ORGAN1ZAT10N_13 said:
I notice you own a PS4. Was it solely purchased for the gripping tale of Resogun or the countless hours of gameplay MGS5GZ offers? Oh what was that? You could have just as easily gotten Ass Cred 4 on the PS3 and saved $400 but you'd much rather have played it with SUPERIOR GRAPHICS? You don't say.
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No one is saying we bought PS4s because of the indies. Just that we enjoy them on top of the AAA games and like the variety they add to the library.

It was part of my decision to go with PS4 over X1 though (since I'm sticking with 1 platform this gen due to time constraints). Sony has had much better indie support than MS, and along with that and the better support for Japanese developers, I know I'll get more variety in games on PS4 than on X1 which will have a library much more centered on shooters, action games and sports games.
 
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You make it sound as though AAA games are all about superior graphics which isn't the case. The truly great AAA games produce an experience that is a higher quality than what an indie game has to offer, be it a better story, more polish, more refined gameplay elements etc. At this point of the console lifecycle Indie games exist to supplement the release schedule of AAA games. It is safe to say that we get about 1 amazing Indie title every couple of months. Probably not enough of a reason to buy a PS4/X1 on its own but certainly a nice bonus.  

 
ORGAN1ZAT10N_13 said:
I notice you own a PS4. Was it solely purchased for the gripping tale of Resogun or the countless hours of gameplay MGS5GZ offers? Oh what was that? You could have just as easily gotten Ass Cred 4 on the PS3 and saved $400 but you'd much rather have played it with SUPERIOR GRAPHICS? You don't say.
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I wasn't aware I could play Infamous SS, Killzone, Knack on PS3/PC. I can play FFXV KH3, Order 1866 Uncharted 4 on PS3/PC?

Stop being a dumb ass lol.

Also, I didn't pay $400 for it ~.^

 
RiPPn said:
As for indies being nothing more than a homage to the past.. there is some truth to that, but saying games like Guacamelee, Journey, Flower, PixelJunk, etc. are just pale comparisons to the games they borrowed from is complete rubbish. And like Deader2818 said even the current AAA games borrow gameplay elements from games past, that doesn't make them a worse game for it. smh
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I stand by my earlier statement, Guacamelee is an amazing game (I absolutely loved it and continue to recommend it to everyone I know) but SOTN or Metroid it is not. Flower did nothing for me and I thought it was highly overrated. Journey was and is an excellent game that everyone should experience at least once.

 
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Anybody who put their PS4 vertically use a stand? And if so which one do you use? Putting mine vertically is the only way I can fit it in my entertainment center.

Thanks

 
kill3r7 said:
Rightfully so. The classic games you mentioned above revolutionized gaming for decades to come. The majority of the Indie games today are not doing this. They are merely tapping into the nostalgia factor and are riding the coattails of these classic games. Let's take Guacamalee for example, which is a game that I absolutely love, gameplay/design wise it does nothing new. Gucamelee is an homage to Metroidvania games but it is not at the same level as Metroid or SOTN. Metroid and Castlevania did it first and did it better. The sad truth is that the Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros 3 and Mega Man 2 are better than 99.9% of the indie games coming out today. Indie games are thriving because major developers have abandoned these genres due to low sales figures.
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it was pretty easy to be "revolutionary" when before those games came out, it was atari, c64, etc. i mean, what game that came out in the last 10 years was "truly revolutionary"? CoD4? all that did was add some bells and whistles to an already established genre. its all been done to death. if its a good game, like guacamelee was, play it for what it is and enjoy it. nothing that has come out this gen so far has been "revolutionary" and nothing on the horizon is either. last gen, i cant name a single game that changed my outlook on gaming.

 
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ajh2298 said:
Anybody who put their PS4 vertically use a stand? And if so which one do you use? Putting mine vertically is the only way I can fit it in my entertainment center.

Thanks
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I have the Rocketfish stand from Best Buy. Can't say much about it since it's just a piece of plastic to attach to the console. The one from Gamestop is probably the same quality.

 
Konfusion said:
I have the Rocketfish stand from Best Buy. Can't say much about it since it's just a piece of plastic to attach to the console. The one from Gamestop is probably the same quality.
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Would you put your PS4 vertical without it? About how more height does it add to the system?

 
ajh2298 said:
Would you put your PS4 vertical without it? About how more height does it add to the system?
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They usually don't add more than maybe an 8th of an inch to the height, and I would never stand it up without one unless it was in a crevasse that gave it no chance to fall because all it would take is one time.

 
8bitArtist said:
it was pretty easy to be "revolutionary" when before those games came out, it was atari, c64, etc. i mean, what game that came out in the last 10 years was "truly revolutionary"? CoD4? all that did was add some bells and whistles to an already established genre. its all been done to death. if its a good game, like guacamelee was, play it for what it is and enjoy it. nothing that has come out this gen so far has been "revolutionary" and nothing on the horizon is either. last gen, i cant name a single game that changed my outlook on gaming.
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Portal, Gears of War, League of Legends, WoW, Minecraft, COD4, Bioshock, Mass Effect story telling elements,Last of Us, Assassin's Creed, Geometry Wars, LittleBigPlanet, Shadow of the Colussus, World of Goo, Angry Birds, Episodic gaming etc.

 
It's kind of splitting hairs on what one calls "revolutionary."

For me the last thing in gaming that was truly revolutionary was games going from 2D to 3D with the N64/PS1 generation and beyond.

I guess the rise of online gaming could fit that bill too--though that was mostly just taking MP from local to online and raising the number of players per game to beyond 2-4.

Maybe motion control could be called revolutionary too--as much as I didn't like it, it did change the way some games were played. There was nothing quite like Wii Sports etc. before it.

The others stuff I'd call more evolutionary. A lot of new ideas, but ones that just build upon past games and ideas than being fundamental changes to how games are played or what we consider game to be or capable of etc.

But really, it's just semantics on what labels you want to use for what degree of change/new ideas are present.
 
dmaul1114 said:
It's kind of splitting hairs on what one calls "revolutionary."

For me the last thing in gaming that was truly revolutionary was games going from 2D to 3D with the N64/PS1 generation and beyond.

I guess the rise of online gaming could fit that bill too--though that was mostly just taking MP from local to online and raising the number of players per game to beyond 2-4.

Maybe motion control could be called revolutionary too--as much as I didn't like it, it did change the way some games were played. There was nothing quite like Wii Sports etc. before it.

The others stuff I'd call more evolutionary. A lot of new ideas, but ones that just build upon past games and ideas than being fundamental changes to how games are played or what we consider game to be or capable of etc.

But really, it's just semantics on what labels you want to use for what degree of change/new ideas are present.
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Agreed. 2D to 3D and online MP were the last "major" revolutions in gameplay/design.

 
ajh2298 said:
Would you put your PS4 vertical without it? About how more height does it add to the system?
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I probably wouldn't put it vertical without it, same goes for my PS3 super slim. It could still get knocked over fairly easily if you pushed it hard enough, but the stand is definitely an improvement over having no stand. It adds about 3/4 inch to the height.

 
It's illogical to say you hate indie games due to graphics... I like how you say as much but then post a screenshot from a 16-bit game.

I know there are a lot, but pixelated indie games aren't the majority. There's even plenty of indie games that look like they could be one of the "big AAA" titles. I don't know why there is this stigma attached to Indie games for so many people... The separation should never be between Indie games and regular games. Just bad games and quality ones.

Argue or say whatever you want, but to think otherwise is nothing other than ignorant.
 
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kill3r7 said:
Portal, Gears of War, League of Legends, WoW, Minecraft, COD4, Bioshock, Mass Effect story telling elements,Last of Us, Assassin's Creed, Geometry Wars, LittleBigPlanet, Shadow of the Colussus, World of Goo, Angry Birds, Episodic gaming etc.
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ya none of that is really "revolutionary" to me. in fact, some the stuff you listed as "revolutionary" is pretty laughable. gears of war? minecraft? shadow of the colossus, while an awesome game, didnt revolutionize much of anything. same thing with the last of us. it was a cover shooter with slight stealth elements.plenty of games have been there, done that.

 
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