PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

http://gamerant.com/gran-turismo-6-ps3-ps4/ according to that article gt6 is a ps3 title but he might be saying that seeing it has not been announced yet and could turn into ps4 title. might i ad beyond is a ps3 only game. if sony and microsoft think people will buy a new system if they just have games that are on two gen's of systems they might be that dumb.

[quote name='Thomas96']I think I won't be buying anymore ps3 games this year.[/QUOTE]

you will be missing tons and tons of great games including beyond and last of us both are only for ps3 not ps4.

we will not get a giant leap in what games look or how they play this gen like we did from ps2 - ps3. Unless sony gives me games i like at launch like uncharted at this point it's not a day one product for me same goes on xbox side also. If i want fancy looking games i will just buy the game on pc that is already more powerful then ps4 and next xbox.

[quote name='Salamando3000']If a larger hard drive is the only benefit of the more expensive model, and it's at least 50$ more expensive, I'd be disappointed with anything short of a terabyte. I'm also hoping they keep to the PS3 model and allow the hard drive to be swapped out with other 2.5 hard drives.

Now, throwing in a SSD drive could make things a little more interesting...[/QUOTE]

why would you need a Tb hard drive on a game system? i understand pc seeing you need to install every game and other files and what not but not gaming system. SSd lol those are like double the price of normal hd's not going to happen unless you want to add 100-200 bucks.
 
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[quote name='TimboSliceGB']why would you need a Tb hard drive on a game system? i understand pc seeing you need to install every game and other files and what not but not gaming system. SSd lol those are like double the price of normal hd's not going to happen unless you want to add 100-200 bucks.[/QUOTE]

No friggin clue why i'd need a terabyte hard drive...I just know that a 1TB 2.5" drive can be had for $90 off Newegg, so if a larger hard drive is the only reason for a more expensive SKU, it would have to be that high a capacity to be worth it. In your original example...$100 for a 250GB upgrade simply wouldn't cut it. So yeah, for $100, I'd either expect a high capacity or high speed (SSD) hard drive.

'Course, that assumes the hard drive is the only change. They could do something similar to the Wii U...pack in a game, a few accessories, maybe some free PS+.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']why would you need a Tb hard drive on a game system? i understand pc seeing you need to install every game and other files and what not but not gaming system.[/QUOTE]

Apparently, you don't have PS+. ;)

I only have around 300-400GB left on my 1TB drive, and I only installed it in July, heh.
 
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm in no rush to get the PS4 when it releases (although I will be tempted if a new uncharted game is announced). I still have so many games to play for this gen.
 
[quote name='cereal_killerxx']I don't know about everyone else, but I'm in no rush to get the PS4 when it releases (although I will be tempted if a new uncharted game is announced). I still have so many games to play for this gen.[/QUOTE]
i think you should wait, and just get the new tomb raider game to scratch that itch for the uncharted series. It is way better in terms of gameplay than all the previous uncharted games so far
 
Here is something I think Sony should do. First of all if I buy a game in the PSN Store, I should be downloading the latest version, none of this ok I downloaded, here is a gig patch.

Also I just bought GT5 XL. Why am I downloading 10 patches of unknown length to even be able to boot up the game, and then downloading who knows how much space of DLC. There has to be a better way.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Here is something I think Sony should do. First of all if I buy a game in the PSN Store, I should be downloading the latest version, none of this ok I downloaded, here is a gig patch.

Also I just bought GT5 XL. Why am I downloading 10 patches of unknown length to even be able to boot up the game, and then downloading who knows how much space of DLC. There has to be a better way.[/QUOTE]

Well, they have said that with the ps4 you'll be able to start playing a game even as it's installing. It's a start, but yeah, I agree the gratuitous patches are annoying. GT5 XL is probably the worst offender.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Here is something I think Sony should do. First of all if I buy a game in the PSN Store, I should be downloading the latest version, none of this ok I downloaded, here is a gig patch.

Also I just bought GT5 XL. Why am I downloading 10 patches of unknown length to even be able to boot up the game, and then downloading who knows how much space of DLC. There has to be a better way.[/QUOTE]

I agree it's a A LOT of patches but I guess that I just look at it differently. I look at it as them caring enough to continuous patch the game and update it.
 
[quote name='Komentra']I agree it's a A LOT of patches but I guess that I just look at it differently. I look at it as them caring enough to continuous patch the game and update it.[/QUOTE]

The patches are fine, but they should fix it so, as the post you quoted noted, when you buy a digital game you get the latest version with all the patches already applied.

Or just make PSN not slow as molasses so downloads and updates aren't so painful.
 
[quote name='Komentra']I agree it's a A LOT of patches but I guess that I just look at it differently. I look at it as them caring enough to continuous patch the game and update it.[/QUOTE]

That's one way to look at it.

Another way is GT5 is probably the worst offender as far as that goes. That game installs forever, patches forever, etc. But if it makes for a better game that's okay to me.
 
[quote name='Josh1billion']Apparently, you don't have PS+. ;)

I only have around 300-400GB left on my 1TB drive, and I only installed it in July, heh.[/QUOTE]

i have ps + but don't install everything lol
 
[quote name='cereal_killerxx']I don't know about everyone else, but I'm in no rush to get the PS4 when it releases (although I will be tempted if a new uncharted game is announced). I still have so many games to play for this gen.[/QUOTE]

after thinking for a week im in the same boat. last of us and beyond is ps3 only games. beyond will be out like a month before ps4 so why get a ps4 and ps3 still has great games coming out for it. Seems like ps4 will be another wii u with tons of ports of games on release that have been out on other systems for awhile. I would not be shocked if games like killzone and infamous is delayed past launch.
 
If they add that pause feature that they are talking about for games for blu-ray movies as well and it works on ALL blu-ray movies, that will help sell me on the hardware. It annoys the crap out of me that only a fraction of blu-ray discs will remember your last location.
 
[quote name='guardian_owl']If they add that pause feature that they are talking about for games for blu-ray movies as well and it works on ALL blu-ray movies, that will help sell me on the hardware. It annoys the crap out of me that only a fraction of blu-ray discs will remember your last location.[/QUOTE]

Still do not know why this should be a bonus it should be standard. I watch more DVD's on my PS3 because I can watch part of a movie ; exit out when my son wakes up from his nap and then finish up the movie.
 
[quote name='crunchewy']Blu-rays don't save progress? Is that a limitation only on the PS3 or do standalone players have the same problem?[/QUOTE]

The blu-ray disc itself. Usually it's the cheaper quality ones that don't bother with that feature.

Not my words, but here is a simple explanation I saw on google:
The player's capability to store the previous position only works if the disc doesn't use Java authoring (BD-J).

If it does, it isn't possible for the player (BD-J adds an extra layer between the player and the contents). However, it is quite possible to implement such a function in Java itself. Some discs do just that; the developers of others were just too lazy.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']The patches are fine, but they should fix it so, as the post you quoted noted, when you buy a digital game you get the latest version with all the patches already applied.

Or just make PSN not slow as molasses so downloads and updates aren't so painful.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and another idea is if there is 10 patches of varying length (or more than one), at least tell me how much I am downloading GB wise upfront for all patches combined. It annoyed the shit out of me when I had to patch 10 times for GT5, not because it was 10 patches but I had no clue how big it was going to be. I don't have fast internet (125 kb/sec downloads), so it would be nice to know how long I am in for.

I do appreciate the constant updates though to improve the game. GT5 is the worst offender of patches but at the same time the best one to improve the game.
 
Am I the only one skeptical on this newfound reliance upon cloud gaming for the PS4? I'm in the states, and my cable internet is only adequate at best. After five minutes of OnLive I couldn't take it anymore, and since it's all based on internet I can't see Gaikai being any better. If it's the only way to get backward compatibility, I'm holding off until the first price drop.
 
[quote name='ECisMe']Am I the only one skeptical on this newfound reliance upon cloud gaming for the PS4? I'm in the states, and my cable internet is only adequate at best. After five minutes of OnLive I couldn't take it anymore, and since it's all based on internet I can't see Gaikai being any better. If it's the only way to get backward compatibility, I'm holding off until the first price drop.[/QUOTE]

The cloud service will allow you to play games as they're downloading... I'm sure there will be a buffer when you first start downloading but after that's done, you'll be able to play as a very efficient ARM chip handles background downloading. And even when the system is off, the ARM chip will continue download stuff in the background.

I'm sure there will be other problems related to cloud gaming (server issues, in game glitches, etc.) but I think Sony addressed the internet speeds part pretty well. The bigger problem with be download caps. With all the Netflix, online gaming and now cloud gaming... you can probably burn through 100+ GB caps pretty easily.
 
[quote name='Vinny']The cloud service will allow you to play games as they're downloading... I'm sure there will be a buffer when you first start downloading but after that's done, you'll be able to play as a very efficient ARM chip handles background downloading. And even when the system is off, the ARM chip will continue download stuff in the background.

I'm sure there will be other problems related to cloud gaming (server issues, in game glitches, etc.) but I think Sony addressed the internet speeds part pretty well. The bigger problem with be download caps. With all the Netflix, online gaming and now cloud gaming... you can probably burn through 100+ GB caps pretty easily.[/QUOTE]

I was referring more towards the PS2/PS1/downloadable games played through PSN that apparently won't work on PS4 any other way than through Gaiki. If there was a rolling compatibility based off a new emulator (like the Vita is currently with PS1 titles), that would be more acceptable than any streaming nonsense. God Hand would be nigh unplayable streamed for me, as would a number of other action titles I have through PSN. Therefore, if that's going to be the only way to play current PSN titles, then I really don't think an upgrade is worthwhile, at least not until a price drop or a potential emulation solution.
 
[quote name='ECisMe']I was referring more towards the PS2/PS1/downloadable games played through PSN that apparently won't work on PS4 any other way than through Gaiki. If there was a rolling compatibility based off a new emulator (like the Vita is currently with PS1 titles), that would be more acceptable than any streaming nonsense. God Hand would be nigh unplayable streamed for me, as would a number of other action titles I have through PSN. Therefore, if that's going to be the only way to play current PSN titles, then I really don't think an upgrade is worthwhile, at least not until a price drop or a potential emulation solution.[/QUOTE]

I realized that you were talking about older games, but after thinking about it again... I see your point. I really can't imagine them going back to re-work every PS1/2/3 game to make sure it works on the cloud service.

I honestly don't think we'll see any native or emulated BC support on the PS4. Given how even PSN games won't work, I honestly think they designed the thing to NOT be BC so people buy into their cloud service.

I'm with you though. The lack of BC is my only major issue with the system (so far) and it's enough to keep me away unless the price is right.
 
Thanks for posting that, it was a good read. I'm a little creeped out by their desire for gamers to stop using aliases and go by their real names, though. I think anonimity gives a lot of people a sense of safety.
 
[quote name='sanistasia']Thanks for posting that, it was a good read. I'm a little creeped out by their desire for gamers to stop using aliases and go by their real names, though. I think anonimity gives a lot of people a sense of safety.[/QUOTE]

that stuff is optional
 
[quote name='8bitArtist']that stuff is optional[/QUOTE]

I thought it was mandatory but only your friends would see your real name? Still seems dumb to me if that's the case. I hope it is optional...

Nevermind, you are right. Even though you have to have your real name on file, nobody can see it unless you let them.
 
[quote name='Relentless Sheep']Now lets see how smart Sony will be with setting the price, they better have learned there lesson from the PS3![/QUOTE]

I will be shocked if they don't have a SKU at 399.99 or less and if their top end exceeds 499.99. I'm prepared to pay the latter, but any more and I'd consider a lesser SKU.
 
So a game like Borderlands 2 uses every button. Moving forward to the next gen developers are going to have to deal with 1 less button and/or cram it all on the options button. I'm not sure about you, but pressing the options button, then hitting X to confirm "in-game inventory" or "map" sounds annoying.

Unless I'm totally overlooking something, feel free to correct me.
 
[quote name='Kazaganthi']So a game like Borderlands 2 uses every button. Moving forward to the next gen developers are going to have to deal with 1 less button and/or cram it all on the options button. I'm not sure about you, but pressing the options button, then hitting X to confirm "in-game inventory" or "map" sounds annoying.

Unless I'm totally overlooking something, feel free to correct me.[/QUOTE]

I think your problem is that you're playing Borderlands 2.
 
[quote name='Kazaganthi']So a game like Borderlands 2 uses every button. Moving forward to the next gen developers are going to have to deal with 1 less button and/or cram it all on the options button. I'm not sure about you, but pressing the options button, then hitting X to confirm "in-game inventory" or "map" sounds annoying.

Unless I'm totally overlooking something, feel free to correct me.[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind there is a touchpad that can respond to two touches at once. If developers wanted too, they could probably split it in half and assign two "buttons" to the left and right side...just saying.
 
[quote name='MetalSlugger']I think your problem is that you're playing Borderlands 2.[/QUOTE]

Because Gears of War and Banjo-Kazooie are so much more "leet". :lol:
 
To be honest, I can't see what advantage the 1/3 more power is going to provide. Both systems are going to be able to be fully HD with all the trimmings.
 
[quote name='crunchewy']To be honest, I can't see what advantage the 1/3 more power is going to provide. Both systems are going to be able to be fully HD with all the trimmings.[/QUOTE]

It also has higher memory bandwidth. First party titles will look better from day 1 rather than after several years like the PS3. Multi-plat titles will either look better (through better textures, more AA etc) or run at higher framerates.
 
[quote name='starmask2k3']is the ps4 getting a new web browser or the old crappy one[/QUOTE]

God I hope they get a new one. And I hope their Youtube app doesn't take as long to load videos as it does.
 
I've always bought every system and am impartial. After watching the the X-Box event, I'm leaning to the Ps4 as a first purchase because I would buy 2 of the same system for my son and me
 
[quote name='crunchewy']To be honest, I can't see what advantage the 1/3 more power is going to provide. Both systems are going to be able to be fully HD with all the trimmings.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Psx and ps2 both ran games perfectly well in full sd 480 res.....
 
[quote name='starmask2k3']is the ps4 getting a new web browser or the old crappy one[/QUOTE]
The Vita browser is actually really well done, so I think we are getting a new one for PS4.
 
Will the PS4 use 3 of the 8 GB of ram for OS only like XB1 will? I feel that potential difference in only having 5GB (of DDR3 slower ram compared to 8GB gDDR5) would be a big difference in the long run.

I still think swiping/whatever that pad to open a map or in game inventory screens will be annoying.

Also, while XB1 is taking the hit, I'm swearing EA forced PS4 hands also with the used game $60 fee. The "Disc Benefits" tech is already there. It's just PS4 it will only be up to the publishers (EA/etc) while every other used game works, unlike XB1.

This E3 is going to be monumental in the gaming industry. Or questions will be dodged and we'll see the full **** storm closer to Nov.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']It also has higher memory bandwidth. First party titles will look better from day 1 rather than after several years like the PS3. Multi-plat titles will either look better (through better textures, more AA etc) or run at higher framerates.[/QUOTE]

companys make system games run same framerate no matter the system it's on unlike pc. bf4 will run same frame rate on ps4 and x1.
 
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