PlayStation 4 - General Discussion Thread

[quote name='TimboSliceGB']companys make system games run same framerate no matter the system it's on unlike pc.[/QUOTE]

You've spouted SO MUCH bullshit misinformation this week, but this might be the worst.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']companys make system games run same framerate no matter the system it's on unlike pc. bf4 will run same frame rate on ps4 and x1.[/QUOTE]

If it does, the ps4 version will look better or they're leaving performance on the table. Plain and simple.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']till they announce at e3 they have a used game fee also[/QUOTE]

There won't be. After the shit storm Microsoft has caused, you can be sure Sony will not do the same.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']You've spouted SO MUCH bullshit misinformation this week, but this might be the worst.[/QUOTE]

bf3 runs 30 fps on 360 and ps3. cod runs 60 fps on ps3 and 360. do i neeed to go on and on. plus msot cross platform gamers were ported on ps3 from the 360 version seeing 360 was more easy to program for.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']There won't be. After the shit storm Microsoft has caused, you can be sure Sony will not do the same.[/QUOTE]

then why did EA stop online pass and don't say it was because customers calling them a awful company.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']If it does, the ps4 version will look better or they're leaving performance on the table. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

honstly their will not be that much diff's in how game looks on ps4 then x1. games ran better most of the time on ps3 then 360 but with most big games ran same fps. the only big dif in ps4 and x1's is that ps4 uses ddr5 and x1's uses ddr 3 but that diff is not that big when you looking at the games side by side most people will not see a dif.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']There won't be. After the shit storm Microsoft has caused, you can be sure Sony will not do the same.[/QUOTE]

I actually agree with him on this one. Whatever ends up being the policy on one console, the other is sure to follow suit. I think this decision is being made at publisher level, though MS & Sony may be handling it differently.
 
Wouldnt Nintendo also have to be apart of blocking used games too then?

I VERY highly doubt Sony will do this after the ton of negative press Xbox has now gotten. When they announced PS4 they pretty much said they won't do anything to block used games.

As far as to why EA got rid of online passes, who knows. They are a terrible company.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']If it does, the ps4 version will look better or they're leaving performance on the table. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Deader2818']Wouldnt Nintendo also have to be apart of blocking used games too then?

I VERY highly doubt Sony will do this after the ton of negative press Xbox has now gotten. When they announced PS4 they pretty much said they won't do anything to block used games.

As far as to why EA got rid of online passes, who knows. They are a terrible company.[/QUOTE]

well maybe you just said why EA is fissy with nintendo they would not block or alllow ea to charge for used games on wii u
 
I think a lot of you are forgetting that Sony has already been going after used games. Online passes have now become a mandatory with all first-party Sony games. This trend has continued on the Vita.

Microsoft doesn't do this and have chosen to go a different way.

So while EA may not enforce online passes anymore, I see Sony continuing to do so with the PS4.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']honstly their will not be that much diff's in how game looks on ps4 then x1. games ran better most of the time on ps3 then 360 but with most big games ran same fps. the only big dif in ps4 and x1's is that ps4 uses ddr5 and x1's uses ddr 3 but that diff is not that big when you looking at the games side by side most people will not see a dif.[/QUOTE]

The PS4's GPU is 50% more powerful. They're the same architecture, so it's an apples to apples comparison, it will be better. 1st party ps4 games will look better. Ports will look better if the developer puts in the effort.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']The PS4's GPU is 50% more powerful. They're the same architecture, so it's an apples to apples comparison, it will be better. 1st party ps4 games will look better. Ports will look better if the developer puts in the effort.[/QUOTE]

most people in the industry that knows tech and just don't read numbers like you agree that this gen ps4/x1 will be pretty much the same unlike how more powerful ps4 was then 360 and most games did not show that other then first party. with the type of cpu/gpu used with them combined into one chip. another thing is that the ps4 has 50 percent more core speed which when it comes down to it don't matter at all.


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[quote name='TimboSliceGB']most people in the industry that knows tech and just don't read numbers like you agree that this gen ps4/x1 will be pretty much the same unlike how more powerful ps4 was then 360 and most games did not show that other then first party. with the type of cpu/gpu used with them combined into one chip. another thing is that the ps4 has 50 percent more core speed which when it comes down to it don't matter at all.


http://www.the-coli.com/arcadium/11...4-vs-x1-hardware-comparison.html#.UZ7XXUCTjcM[/QUOTE]

Peter Molyneux disagrees with you. Go listen to his thoughts on the IGN Gamescoop podcast/videos, and he explains that those numbers are important.

He also mentions that all this reliance on the Cloud will also cut into the performance of the Xbox unless they have found some special way to avoid it.

And as for PS3/360, devs wont have the difficult cell structure to work with next gen, so they can utilize the better hardware easier.
 
[quote name='PimpLimp']I think a lot of you are forgetting that Sony has already been going after used games. Online passes have now become a mandatory with all first-party Sony games. This trend has continued on the Vita.

Microsoft doesn't do this and have chosen to go a different way.

So while EA may not enforce online passes anymore, I see Sony continuing to do so with the PS4.[/QUOTE]

Microsoft didn't use online passes on 360 because they wanted to encourage people to buy Gold.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']most people in the industry that knows tech and just don't read numbers like you agree that this gen ps4/x1 will be pretty much the same unlike how more powerful ps4 was then 360 and most games did not show that other then first party. with the type of cpu/gpu used with them combined into one chip. another thing is that the ps4 has 50 percent more core speed which when it comes down to it don't matter at all.


http://www.the-coli.com/arcadium/11...4-vs-x1-hardware-comparison.html#.UZ7XXUCTjcM[/QUOTE]

You have no clue what you're talking about. A random forum post is not "most people in the industry."

Developers have already come out and said the PS4 version will run better. Jonathan Blow just said it recently on twitter.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/just-cause-dev-ps4-more-powerful-than-xbox-one-right-now-6408781

The reason PS3 was so difficult to program for was its complex architecture. These consoles share nearly identical architecture. The only excuse a developer would have for not making the PS4 version look better is because they didn't want to or just wanted the framerate to scale higher.
 
IDK why you guys are even arguing over processing power; that hasn't been cool since we were ten (BLAST PROCESSING ooooooooooOOOOOOOooooooOOOoooO).

The fact of the matter is PC will still be better than both systems and the only thing I care about on either console is the exclusive games. As it stands, only Deep Down has me interested in this generation of consoles but I can count on Sony to have those good, niche games like Ni No Kuni to come along in the following years. That's what matters, not core clock speeds and other bullshit.
 
Technical specs are indeed fairly meaningless. It's not about what you have, it's about how you use it. And game developers are how it gets used.

The important thing to take away from the PS4's hardware isn't the particulars of the technical specs, or comparing numbers. It's about how the whole mess has been put together. The architecture is what is exciting about the PS4. The system has been designed from the ground up to be fast and easy to develop for. They focused on making it good for developers before anything else.
 
I am leaning forwards going Playstation next gen, obviously its all down to games so E3 should be good. But some of the ridiculous things i'm reading about the Xbox is completely turning me off getting it out of principal.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']Technical specs are indeed fairly meaningless. It's not about what you have, it's about how you use it. And game developers are how it gets used.

The important thing to take away from the PS4's hardware isn't the particulars of the technical specs, or comparing numbers. It's about how the whole mess has been put together. The architecture is what is exciting about the PS4. The system has been designed from the ground up to be fast and easy to develop for. They focused on making it good for developers before anything else.[/QUOTE]

that is 100 percent true. this past gen even if ps3 was higher in tech specs then 360 but alot of 3rd party games ran better on 360. same thing can be said about pc. when it comes down to it gameplay is the most important not how a game looks.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']when it comes down to it gameplay is the most important not how a game looks.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing wrong with wanting a game to look awesome. But once again, it's what you do with it. A solid, appealing art style is far more important to the look of a game than any technical features. Some of the most enduring graphics have been produced using older technology. Kirby's Epic Yarn is still one of the most visually appealing games of the previous console cycle, despite being on the Wii.

And yes, gameplay is very important, and should be more of a priority for most developers than graphics. (and certainly graphical power) Minimal graphical design can work just fine for a game with great gameplay, (Thomas Was Alone) but a game with sub-par gameplay isn't going to be redeemed by even the most capable graphics. (throw a rock, the current generation is littered with examples of this)

I personally think this coming console generation is shaping up quite nicely for the general consumer. Each competitor has different features to lend themselves certain strengths. The real draw is going to be the custom development that is available for each. You can expect near-parity for multi-platform releases across the PC, XBox One, and PS4. But the exclusive titles are where each platform will really get a chance to shine. (and I'm including the Wii-U in the chance-to-shine equation)
 
Anyone else think Sony's a bit too quiet? With all the negativity towards MS right now, you'd think they'd want to do some promoting...
 
[quote name='Vinny']Anyone else think Sony's a bit too quiet? With all the negativity towards MS right now, you'd think they'd want to do some promoting...[/QUOTE]

Probably because they have the same fucking stance towards DRM and the like. What can they say?
 
[quote name='Vinny']Anyone else think Sony's a bit too quiet? With all the negativity towards MS right now, you'd think they'd want to do some promoting...[/QUOTE]

If Sony were to say anything now they'd end up getting more questions about their own drm or some always on-ish features of their system which could lead to the same negative impact. SOny should be planning e3
 
Yeah there's no reason for Sony not to be quiet, the ball is pretty much in their court atm and E3 is in what? 16 days? It'll be here before we know it.
 
I wonder if sonys camera can do the things that kinect can do...because Xbone is talking about kinect 2.0 however there's a camera attached to the ps4 as well..... They had the specs of each camera and they did look similar.
 
I don't think Sony's is designed to always be watching you (I could be wrong) and it probably won't be shoehorned into every goddamn thing like Kinect will be.
 
[quote name='Erad30']Yeah there's no reason for Sony not to be quiet, the ball is pretty much in their court atm and E3 is in what? 16 days? It'll be here before we know it.[/QUOTE]

Didn't they already take some shots at MS, like the HTC One joke and the Fifa 14/CoD Ghosts coming to PS4? Those are the only two I know of that are legit, there's more but most of is probably jokes.

You'd think they'd say something about the DRM/used game policy. But I guess E3 isn't too far off.
 
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I agree.

As long as Sony isn't colluding with Microsoft against consumers it should be smooth sailing for them. Can't wait for PS4 and the new Infamous game.
 
I admittedly didn't care much for the games they've shown so far, so hopefully there is something at E3 they guarantee as a launch title that wold make me bite. Like a new proper Ratchet & Clank game (please) instead of these mediocre side projects the series has been doing lately...
 
I heard Insomniac said they were done with single player only games so it looks like the Ratchet and Clank series is likely retired. Their alliance with Electronic Arts is sufficient evidence of their treachery.
 
[quote name='matrix9280']I heard Insomniac said they were done with single player only games so it looks like the Ratchet and Clank series is likely retired. Their alliance with Electronic Arts is sufficient evidence of their treachery.[/QUOTE]

Yep no more Insomniac R&C games, at least until they come running back to Sony with their tail between their legs. Sony still owns the IP though, one of Insomniac's complaints was with Sony they would never be able to own the IP's they made while working with/for them.

I'm hoping for a Last Guardian reveal at E3, I might consider buying a launch PS4 if they finally show it and it blows me away. Other than that, and Metal Gear, I don't think I really care about any "sequels" and would rather see some new stuff. Don't get me wrong, I loved inFamous, but Cole and Zeke made that game for me (even 2 with the crappy Cole voice actor).
 
EA did just close their "partners" label that Insomniac was working under and I think Fuse is going to bomb there has been no hype behind it whatsoever. They may go back to R & C games after that.
 
[quote name='breakfuss']Haha, EA will acquire and shut down Insomniac before they ever allow that to happen.[/QUOTE]

to acquire someone you would have to willingly sell so I doubt that happens.

And why would EA care if they went back to sony?
 
[quote name='Deader2818']to acquire someone you would have to willingly sell so I doubt that happens.

And why would EA care if they went back to sony?[/QUOTE]

It was a joke, genius. Considering EA's track record, not really all that outlandish.
 
I do want Uncharted 4, but not anywhere near the launch. 3 was good but not nearly as good as 2, they do not need to rush another out the door. Take their time with the next entry and make it epic.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Anyone else think Sony's a bit too quiet? With all the negativity towards MS right now, you'd think they'd want to do some promoting...[/QUOTE]
Why would they rubberneck? E3 is the big showdown and once the games are on the table, people will decide which 'gaming' console to buy this year.

And quite frankly, M$ is already doing far more harm than Sony could from promotions. :lol:
 
I said it in the XBox one thread-If there stance on used games is similar, I can deal-Just make sure I buy stuff I want at the price I want, I'm patient enough. It's all the other stuff that really bugs me that as far as I know, Sony won't have (integration with Cable/Satellite TV even though that's slowly dying, forced Kinect BS and mandatory installs on the HD). That makes me lean way more in Sony's direction at this point.
 
[quote name='Erad30']They haven't actually definitively answered that.[/QUOTE]

That would be terrible if they charged for it. Why should be pay for something that we were getting free last gen?
 
Some people have said Sony will charge because that's just leaving too much money on the table, but again nothing has been confirmed one way or the other.
 
Paying a monthly fee just to be able to play the games you already paid for on the console you already paid for over the internet that you already pay for is some BS only Microsoft would even consider.

It's pretty dumb that people even have to use the phrase "free online" when referring to consoles now. Thank M$ for all that.
 
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