Please allow to go past 500 posts due to draft. NFL Offseason discussion roundtable.

Really hope my 49ers can try and get Eric Moulds.

Reports have Larry Allen in talks with the 49ers, makes sense, his home is in Novato I believe.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']49ers | Allen agrees to terms
Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:12:28 -0800

Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports the San Francisco 49ers have agreed to terms with free agent OG Larry Allen (Cowboys), pending a physical. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.


Ugggh! :cry:[/quote]
You posted that 2 seconds before me, thank you God for giving the 49ers Larry Allen. Oh thank you sweet Jesus.

The terms of the deal seemed to be a 2 yr. 4/5 Mill per season. Eh, alright deal, it's tough to lure free agents here with a shitty stadium and high living in CA.
 
I was hoping Larry Allen would land in oakland and help protect that bum of a QB we signed in brooks I will admit he has a cannon but so did Kerry Collins and look how that worked out(i'm hoping cutler falls to 7 and they pick him) but knowing the raiders we will pick another DB. I'm tired of Oakland picking random 9 year veteran DB's hoping to find another rod woodson. If they wanted a 9 year vet of the league they shouldn't have burned the bridges with Charles Woodson atleast he's sorta a house hold name in Oakland and can sell some tickets.

As for the Titans where to start. This hole RB by commite isn't gonna cut it in the NFL Mr. Fisher needs to decide to either start Chris Brown or Travis Henry before the start of the season. Third pick in the draft will prolly be a QB but I wish they would pick D'brick so we have a strong O line so we can actually run the ball which in return open up some one on one coverage for the young(but good) recieving core. I'm not to concerned with the Colts(I have to see who is gonna be the starting RB) i'm more worried with the Jaguars especially if Lavar Arriganton signs there. so in retrospect I believe the Titans have the tools to win the AFC south but need some really good coaching to get there
 
[quote name='doubledown']Well, Lions lost out on Larry Allen, but he didn't want to come here....fair enough.

Seems like New England has interest in Moulds.[/quote]

It's pretty obvious Larry isn't interested in winning a championship in this part of his career. I'm guessing he just wanted a decent contract and to be close to home.

It really is a shame we couldn't work something out and keep him in Dallas. He has been a great player for us for a long time, but he really is just a shell of his former self.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']It's pretty obvious Larry isn't interested in winning a championship in this part of his career. I'm guessing he just wanted a decent contract and to be close to home.

It really is a shame we couldn't work something out and keep him in Dallas. He has been a great player for us for a long time, but he really is just a shell of his former self.[/quote]

True, but if I remember he still is one of the leader in reps at the bench press, he still gonna be a strong OG, but people mis-read the whole Pro Bowl thing, it's mostly name based.

Still, i'm glad we signed him.
 
So how do you guys see the draft unfolding this year? I would like to see young somehow drop to #7 to the raiders so we dont have to start this sack of crap in aaron brooks.

the addition of larry allen was great for the the 49ers, but that wont change the fact that alex smith is another shitty QB, just like jay cutler will be in the future.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']To be honest I'm not sure who is going to draft Vince Young. I see the Texans going with Reggie Bush.[/QUOTE]

i think you, and like 95% of the people that watch football, including me, think that about bush
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']i think you, and like 95% of the people that watch football, including me, think that about bush[/quote]


The other 5% think they should trade down and get some O-Line and defensive help.

But to be honest, I could careless what they do, just so long as the Bucs and Raiders manage to make decent moves and picks the rest of the offseason. And I actually think Brooks could be a good thing for the Raiders. Especially if they can get the running game going strong again.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']i think you, and like 95% of the people that watch football, including me, think that about bush[/quote]

If they were smart, the Texans would trade down a few spots and address their offensive line problems. Bush and Carr won't do shit behind that line.

You can take that to the bank!
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']So how do you guys see the draft unfolding this year? I would like to see young somehow drop to #7 to the raiders so we dont have to start this sack of crap in aaron brooks.

the addition of larry allen was great for the the 49ers, but that wont change the fact that alex smith is another shitty QB, just like jay cutler will be in the future.[/quote] Your fuCken trippin. John Elway wasn't JOHN ELWAY his rookie year. I'm not saying Smith is going to be a legend but you can't call him a shitty QB after one year. He had a shitty year but he was on a shitty team with a shitty line with some shitty DB's with some shitty receivers with some somewhat shitty backs. The only niners that shined this year were Bryant Young and the fuCken kicker Joe Nedney.
 
[quote name='DT778']Your fuCken trippin. John Elway wasn't JOHN ELWAY his rookie year. I'm not saying Smith is going to be a legend but you can't call him a shitty QB after one year. He had a shitty year but he was on a shitty team with a shitty line with some shitty DB's with some shitty receivers with some somewhat shitty backs. The only niners that shined this year were Bryant Young and the fuCken kicker Joe Nedney.[/quote]

Took the words out of my mouth, was about to tell him that.

By no means am I saying Alex Smith going to be John Elway, but this guy has a good chance to be a very good QB. He showed flashes of brilliance and when you have no offensive talent to help your not going to do that great.

Aaron Brooks can't thrive in the system the Raiders run.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']If they were smart, the Texans would trade down a few spots and address their offensive line problems. Bush and Carr won't do shit behind that line.

You can take that to the bank![/QUOTE]

I definitely agree, but the Texans are in a tough situation. Bush is a guy people want, obviously, but no one in the Top 5 is really a "good fit." Obviously the Titans or the Jets would love to land him, but their hearts, by the looks of it, are more set on Vince Young and Matt Leinart.

The only way the Texans are going to trade down is if they get a great package in return... after all, the whole purpose of trading down is to stockpile picks and fill more holes than you could have before. Who's going to give up all those picks, though?

Call me crazy, but I almost feel that the Texans are in a bad situation. They have so much from the media and from their fans to take Bush, but, ideally, they'd take Ferguason. They already have a running back that they're committed to... I can't see them trading down if it meant sacrificing the value of the pick, either... even if it was for the better of the team.
 
If the Texans want money they take the home-town boy Vince Young who'd sell season tickets.

The problem with the Texans is they have so many gaps to fill, their best bet would be to trade down and get more picks. But which team would want to trade basically the farm for Reggie Bush? I love Reggie Bush as much as the next guy but I believe he's a "product of the system".
 
The issue i have with alex smith, is he's one of those shitty division QBs, who look all that great just because they play obsolete defenses. I dont see much potential in him, but thats just me. I personally would rather have aaron rodgers, who has played against proven defenses before.

I hate aaron brooks, he sucks, collins at least knew how to throw the ball field, brooks with throw it backwards knowing him. I just want vince young, and ill be happy
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']The issue i have with alex smith, is he's one of those shitty division QBs, who look all that great just because they play obsolete defenses. I dont see much potential in him, but thats just me. I personally would rather have aaron rodgers, who has played against proven defenses before.

I hate aaron brooks, he sucks, collins at least knew how to throw the ball field, brooks with throw it backwards knowing him. I just want vince young, and ill be happy[/quote]

You'd rather have Aaron Rodgers over Alex Smith? Wow...i've seen Aaron Rodgers play in his days at Cal and when he played a couple times last year. Just...I don't have anything to say...
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']You'd rather have Aaron Rodgers over Alex Smith? Wow...i've seen Aaron Rodgers play in his days at Cal and when he played a couple times last year. Just...I don't have anything to say...[/quote]
18 (16 pass attempts and 2 rushes) snaps in the pros won't really tell you much about the worth of a QB. Rodgers has the chance to be a better pro, due to the fact he will have atleast a year of watching Favre play up close. Smith was not given that chance, he was just thrown to the wolves. So there really can't be too much of a comparison as of now. Though I do think Rodgers will be the better QB, just because he faced tougher defenses in college, when compared to Smith. But to each his own.

Heres the link to Rodgers stats from last year.

Edit: I really could careless who the QB is anywhere other than Tampa Bay and Oakland. And I know I am in the minority that thinks Brooks could be a good pick up.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77'] I personally would rather have aaron rodgers, who has played against proven defenses before.

[/QUOTE]


your opinion on quaterbacks holds no weight in this thread. Saying you would pick a Jeff Tedford quaterback over anyone else automatically makes anything you have to say null and void. They are the ultimate products of a system.


Just go look at the lineage of the quaterbacks he has produced that have gone to the NFL and see what has happened to them. Andre Ware, Akili Smith, etc. The list of busts related to Tedford goes on and on.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']your opinion on quaterbacks holds no weight in this thread. Saying you would pick a Jeff Tedford quaterback over anyone else automatically makes anything you have to say null and void. They are the ultimate products of a system.


Just go look at the lineage of the quaterbacks he has produced that have gone to the NFL and see what has happened to them. Andre Ware, Akili Smith, etc. The list of busts related to Tedford goes on and on.[/quote]

Thank you. And don't forget the 'great' Kyle Boller. That's who Aaron Rodgers is..he's Kyle Boller #2, the only reason people talked about this guy is he had an above-average Senior Day.

Alex Smith not 'thrown to the wolves' like you said craven, Tim Rattay started 5-6 games. Smith has the ability to run, has a very good arm, and in a play against Seattle, he scrambled to the right side-line and darted a pass to Frank Gore. Granted a 1:11 ratio isn't great, but when your best WR is Brandon Lloyd, and your O-Line are all rookie's too? Give him time, this isn't a Ben Rothlesberger situation where he was put in the reins of a 2006 Cadillac and all he had to do was just be a long for the ride.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Thank you. And don't forget the 'great' Kyle Boller. That's who Aaron Rodgers is..he's Kyle Boller #2, the only reason people talked about this guy is he had an above-average Senior Day.

Alex Smith not 'thrown to the wolves' like you said craven, Tim Rattay started 5-6 games. Smith has the ability to run, has a very good arm, and in a play against Seattle, he scrambled to the right side-line and darted a pass to Frank Gore. Granted a 1:11 ratio isn't great, but when your best WR is Brandon Lloyd, and your O-Line are all rookie's too? Give him time, this isn't a Ben Rothlesberger situation where he was put in the reins of a 2006 Cadillac and all he had to do was just be a long for the ride.[/quote]

He was thrown to the wolves in the sense that they had no other choice once they moved Rattay, not sure why the Bucs traded for him, and Dorsey not doing anything. I just think he is going to end up like Carr and just be a tackling dummy, until the 49ers are willing to fix up the O-Line and get him someone to throw to.

I just want the Bucs to do something the offseason, but they look to be content at the moment. Thank god baseball starts up soon enough.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']He was thrown to the wolves in the sense that they had no other choice once they moved Rattay, not sure why the Bucs traded for him, and Dorsey not doing anything. I just think he is going to end up like Carr and just be a tackling dummy, until the 49ers are willing to fix up the O-Line and get him someone to throw to.

I just want the Bucs to do something the offseason, but they look to be content at the moment. Thank god baseball starts up soon enough.[/QUOTE]

They signed Larry Allen and have Jonas Jennings -- who missed almost all of the season due to injury -- coming back.

I'd say that constitutes as "fixing up" the line.
 
And I will add that rookie quarterbacks are never, ever successful.

And while people will quickly try to refute this claim with Ben Roethlisberger, I will say this: the Steelers win with a power running game and stifiling defense. Big Ben throws like 18 passes a game.

I'm trying to discredit him, but not completely take away from what he does... he won a Super Bowl for God's sakes. But I am saying that he had about as ideal a situation a quarterback could ask for, which most rookies do not have the luxury of having...
 
well whatever, we'll see what happens. I could care less about the QBs from last seasons draft, the QBs this season are more interesting to watch, even if they cant throw all that well (dj shockley, brad smith, vince young, omar jacobs, reggie mcneal). I still think the 49ers should have taken Braylon Edwards and waited for leinart this year.
anyhow,

Seahawks sign WR Burleson to seven-year deal
Seeking another playmaker for their already potent offense, and looking for a little payback as well, the Seattle Seahawks on Friday evening signed Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Nate Burleson to a restricted free agent offer sheet worth $49 million over seven years.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2383020
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']He was thrown to the wolves in the sense that they had no other choice once they moved Rattay, not sure why the Bucs traded for him, and Dorsey not doing anything. I just think he is going to end up like Carr and just be a tackling dummy, until the 49ers are willing to fix up the O-Line and get him someone to throw to.

I just want the Bucs to do something the offseason, but they look to be content at the moment. Thank god baseball starts up soon enough.[/quote]

Like Pujols said Jonnas Jennings was injured, Newberry missed almost all the season and Larry Allen has been signed. Add that to Eric Heitman and Justin Smiley being very good tackles, Alex Smith will be more than protected. And if we trade Pope from Georgia which I hope we do, we will have a better blocking TE than Eric Johnson.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Like Pujols said Jonnas Jennings was injured, Newberry missed almost all the season and Larry Allen has been signed. Add that to Eric Heitman and Justin Smiley being very good tackles, Alex Smith will be more than protected. And if we trade Pope from Georgia which I hope we do, we will have a better blocking TE than Eric Johnson.[/QUOTE]

Pope is huge, though vernon davis from maryland, god damn. That guy is such a savage. His athleticism is insane for 6'4" 263 TE. Who was the last TE to run a 4.4 40?

[quote name='docvinh']I can't believe the Raiders signed Aaron Brooks. What are they thinking?[/QUOTE]

To have a QB with some starting experience, who is better than tuiasosopo so they can give vince young some time to learn the offense, and easily plug him in due to brooks' mobility. That is, assuming the raiders get vince. I hope al davis was happy with his 40 time, since he doesnt seem to be as fast as he wants everyone on the team to be (all CBs who run 4.28 40s)
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']When I think that Adam Vinatieri is now a Colt, it hurts my soul. What the fuck is up with that?[/quote]

C.R.E.A.M.

Cash Rules Everything Around Me

Vinatieri's got the rings, might as well cash in, and the money he got for a kicker is amazing.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']When I think that Adam Vinatieri is now a Colt, it hurts my soul. What the fuck is up with that?[/quote]
I don't think New England was willing to go anywhere close to where the Colts were offering. I just don't think he'd leave so easily.

Actually, what pisses me off is Dallas paid Vanderjagt just about what the Colts did Vinatieri. I wish we could have landed Vinatieri over Vanderjagt.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']Pope is huge, though vernon davis from maryland, god damn. That guy is such a savage. His athleticism is insane for 6'4" 263 TE. Who was the last TE to run a 4.4 40?[/QUOTE]

That's how I want San Fran to take.

Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 40, had a 42 inch vertical, bench presses like 480, etc, etc, etc.

The speed and jumping ability are comparable to what a cornerback would do! And by all accounts he's got the strength of a mule.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']That's how I want San Fran to take.

Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 40, had a 42 inch vertical, bench presses like 480, etc, etc, etc.

The speed and jumping ability are comparable to what a cornerback would do! And by all accounts he's got the strength of a mule.[/quote]

I like Vernon Davis, problem is, I see really no reason for any team to take a TE in the top 10 unless he's a freak of nature. I'd like to get Vernon Davis, but only if we trade down to a #12, but I doub the Rams would pass him up.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I like Vernon Davis, problem is, I see really no reason for any team to take a TE in the top 10 unless he's a freak of nature. I'd like to get Vernon Davis, but only if we trade down to a #12, but I doub the Rams would pass him up.[/QUOTE]

If Williams and Hawk are gone, though, I think that Vernon Davis becomes the best player avaliable.

I don't see it as a stretch for the Cardinals, Lions or Rams to take Davis.

We need an offensive playmaker in our passing game, and Vernon Davis is the best player in the draft that provides that. He's the best receiver out there.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']your opinion on quaterbacks holds no weight in this thread. Saying you would pick a Jeff Tedford quaterback over anyone else automatically makes anything you have to say null and void. They are the ultimate products of a system.


Just go look at the lineage of the quaterbacks he has produced that have gone to the NFL and see what has happened to them. Andre Ware, Akili Smith, etc. The list of busts related to Tedford goes on and on.[/QUOTE]

i also agree with you. if anyone didn't read my previous post, alex smith was in shotgun offense in utah. he never really lied up behind center and this past nfl season was his first time doing that since maybe high school. cutler has a lot of tools and experience than alex smith imo. also, i bet u think leftwich, culpepper, pennington (before shoulder injury), freotte and steve mcnair all suck as well since they put college numbers in their 2nd-tier conferences in college. on the other side, akili smith, cade mcnown, joey harrington, ryan f'n leaf, heath shuler, and rick mirer all put numbers against good competition but couldn't make it in the nfl or barely making it. thats y qb is the hardest hardest position to judge b/c u have to judge his arm strength, accuracy, throwing motion, reading the defense, quick and decisive decisions, handle pressure, scrambling ability, tell where the blitz is coming from, and leadership. if i were the raiders and cutler was there, i would take him b/c i think he'll be a great qb in the league and has all the tools. leinart will be the best at the end but cutler wont be far behind. but the raiders have TONS OF NEEDS (o-line help (when the hell is gallery going to LT), DT to help sapp and fill the void of ted washington, LBs, LBs, LBs, strong side DE, and a hard-hitting safety.)

also on the texans and reggie bush. it seems more likely reggie bush is coming to texans since they signed from tampa bay is jameel cook to play fullback. they also signed mike flanagan (former Center from the GB Packers and i guess mike sherman (assistant in Houston now) recruited him here as well). the texans have holes at RG and RT. LT, LG, and C are pretty much solidify with pitts, mckinney, and flanagan. my predictions on the draft for the texans are

1st Reggie Bush (he could be the product of the system but that zone-blocking scheme (KUBIAK (former OC of the Broncos) is the coach) could make any running back look stellar. imo, i would trade down for super mario.

2nd. Either Eric Winston to play RT (he has enough speed and quickness that is perfect for zone-blocking). Also, if a 1st-round CB falls, the texans could snatch one up. (possibly Youboty, Tye Hill, Joesph).

3rd. Middle Linebacker (best one available) (texans signed sam cowart for 1yr)

another 3rd round from New Orleans. Either a Oline or CB that didnt was picked up in 2nd round.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I like Vernon Davis, problem is, I see really no reason for any team to take a TE in the top 10 unless he's a freak of nature. I'd like to get Vernon Davis, but only if we trade down to a #12, but I doub the Rams would pass him up.[/QUOTE]

you dont think Vernon is a freak of nature?! Hes like Shawne Merriman, but in TE form! The Cards would take him, unless they need a defender, since they no longer need a RB. The Lions would take him, unless they want to take Jay Cutler. The Rams will take him if hes there.

I was bored earlier, so i just put this together. Hopefully it wasnt a waste of like a half hour, i guess ill know come april 29th
 
I was reading that LenDale White might be slipping towards the end of the first round for "character issues." Knowing that Denver cut their power back this offseason and that they love to pick RB's, I'd love to see him in Denver to fill Anderson's hole. It seems with the recently-acquired 15th pick could lead to his pick, though it'd also be an extremely nice pick to get one of the top two receivers in the draft, Holmes (OSU) and Jackson (UF). It also gives them the option of getting a S or DE to fill the holes on their defense. With the 22nd following soon after, they have some flexibilty to choose based on who could fall to them at that pick. I like the options Denver has to filling their holes in the first round, as two of them should be filled by the 23rd pick, with the other two getting attention in the second and third rounds. I can't wait to see how this turns out a month from now. It's almost too long to wait.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I was reading that LenDale White might be slipping towards the end of the first round for "character issues." Knowing that Denver cut their power back this offseason and that they love to pick RB's, I'd love to see him in Denver to fill Anderson's hole. It seems with the recently-acquired 15th pick could lead to his pick, though it'd also be an extremely nice pick to get one of the top two receivers in the draft, Holmes (OSU) and Jackson (UF). It also gives them the option of getting a S or DE to fill the holes on their defense. With the 22nd following soon after, they have some flexibilty to choose based on who could fall to them at that pick. I like the options Denver has to filling their holes in the first round, as two of them should be filled by the 23rd pick, with the other two getting attention in the second and third rounds. I can't wait to see how this turns out a month from now. It's almost too long to wait.[/QUOTE]

I remember hearing rumors after the Rose Bowl that said the Packers might take Lendale at #5! Now, granted, it was just a rumor, but still... the "stock" of these guys drops like crazy.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']I remember hearing rumors after the Rose Bowl that said the Packers might take Lendale at #5! Now, granted, it was just a rumor, but still... the "stock" of these guys drops like crazy.[/quote]

I almost forgot about White until some else mentioned him the other day. Thats how quickly he's come and gone in my mind. Sure he'd probably be great in Denver, Indy (would they trade up for him), or Green Bay (would they use the #5 pick for him), but I wouldn't be surprised to actually see him possibly go in the 2nd round. But I know someone will pick him up in the 1st round.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']I remember hearing rumors after the Rose Bowl that said the Packers might take Lendale at #5! Now, granted, it was just a rumor, but still... the "stock" of these guys drops like crazy.[/QUOTE]
He could, but I think they're looking at A.J. Hawk with that pick, and he's a no-brainer at that pick. He's my early choice for defensive rookie of the year already.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info'].also, i bet u think leftwich, culpepper, pennington (before shoulder injury), freotte and steve mcnair all suck as well since they put college numbers in their 2nd-tier conferences in college. on the other side, akili smith, cade mcnown, joey harrington, ryan f'n leaf, heath shuler, and rick mirer all put numbers against good competition but couldn't make it in the nfl or barely making it[/QUOTE]

yea but you notice those QBs who played in bad divisions yet are good QBs now werent taken in the top 10 of the draft (with the exception of leftwich). And those QBs that failed didnt really play that great of defenses(4 of which were in the pac-10).

I just feel, alex smith lacks the skills of a regular drop back QB because of his years in the shotgun and that they easily could have gotten leinart this season. Also McNair, Culpepper, and Leftwich (kinda-ish) have mobility, strength, and size. Smith is lacking on the strength part, and is no where near as big or mobile as those guys either
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']yea but you notice those QBs who played in bad divisions yet are good QBs now werent taken in the top 10 of the draft (with the exception of leftwich). And those QBs that failed didnt really play that great of defenses(4 of which were in the pac-10).[/QUOTE]

what's ur point? so i guess u think leinart is going to be a bust huh since he plays in the pac-10 and plays crappy ass defenses. look at tim couch, where is he now after being the number 1 overall pick. he played in the sec (the toughest football conference). i guess also u think aikman sucks since he played for ucla against pac 10 teams. where is he now, he's in the fucking HOF. like i said before, F'N QBS ARE THE MOST UNPREDICTIBLE POSITION TO EVAULATE. Just look at Tom Brady (he was drafted in the 6th round). Oh yea, also Brett Favre played for southern Mississippi. i dont think thats a powerhouse conference is it?

Also in Houston, head coach Kubiak(who played behind Elway and Coach Elway), the offensive Cordinator Calhoun, and Off. Assistant Mike Sherman (who coach Favre the last 5 seasons at least) thinks David Carr can led to texans to the super bowl and be their franchise qb.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']what's ur point? so i guess u think leinart is going to be a bust huh since he plays in the pac-10 and plays crappy ass defenses. look at tim couch, where is he now after being the number 1 overall pick. he played in the sec (the toughest football conference). i guess also u think aikman sucks since he played for ucla against pac 10 teams. where is he now, he's in the fucking HOF. like i said before, F'N QBS ARE THE MOST UNPREDICTIBLE POSITION TO EVAULATE. Just look at Tom Brady (he was drafted in the 6th round). Oh yea, also Brett Favre played for southern Mississippi. i dont think thats a powerhouse conference is it?

Also in Houston, head coach Kubiak(who played behind Elway and Coach Elway), the offensive Cordinator Calhoun, and Off. Assistant Mike Sherman (who coach Favre the last 5 seasons at least) thinks David Carr can led to texans to the super bowl and be their franchise qb.[/quote]

Look at who played before Leinart at USC, Carson Palmer, possibly the top QB last year, in some people's mind. I think in the right situation, Leinart will be as successful, if not more successful than Palmer.

The thing against Couch, was he was on a Kentucky team that would be so far out of games, that he was able to eat up yards against the opponents 3rd stringers. He shouldn't have been taken nearly as high, and had he not been he may have panned out. He got an ego with going that high and look what happened.

And in Brady's case, underappreciated, he went to Michigan. The Big Ten is one of the toughest conferences at the top of the heap. Slipping to the 6th round out of Michigan, at the QB spot, is a steal for the Patriots.

And Favre, well he got a lucky break, literally, and got the job that way. Had the starter not gone down with the injury, we may have never heard of Brett Favre, or would call him Fav Ra.

David Carr has had the potential to be amazing, but the Texans are too stupid to see that the problem isn't him, but the O-line. They've done nothing since bringing in their franchise player to help him out. If I were Carr and didn't get the help, I'd have been out of there when my contract was up. Even if it meant having to prove myself for less money initially, it would be worth going elsewhere to get protection.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']you dont think Vernon is a freak of nature?! Hes like Shawne Merriman, but in TE form! The Cards would take him, unless they need a defender, since they no longer need a RB. The Lions would take him, unless they want to take Jay Cutler. The Rams will take him if hes there.

I was bored earlier, so i just put this together. Hopefully it wasnt a waste of like a half hour, i guess ill know come april 29th
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Vernon Davis is a good TE, but no he's not a freak of nature. He ran a fast 40, way to go, but in the catching drills where they run sideline to sideline then run 20 yards while catching 6 passes he dropped 3 of them. I just don't see the need for a TE right now for the 49ers, they need defense, defense = championships. Mario Williams i'd love, only problem is he does have work ethic issues.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']yea but you notice those QBs who played in bad divisions yet are good QBs now werent taken in the top 10 of the draft (with the exception of leftwich). And those QBs that failed didnt really play that great of defenses(4 of which were in the pac-10).

I just feel, alex smith lacks the skills of a regular drop back QB because of his years in the shotgun and that they easily could have gotten leinart this season. Also McNair, Culpepper, and Leftwich (kinda-ish) have mobility, strength, and size. Smith is lacking on the strength part, and is no where near as big or mobile as those guys either[/quote]

Uh Mcnair was taking 3rd overall in 95, and culpepper was taken 11th and the only true draft "bust" in 99 taken before him are tim couch, akili smith, david boston, and to an extent chris claiborne.
 
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And Favre, well he got a lucky break, literally, and got the job that way. Had the starter not gone down with the injury, we may have never heard of Brett Favre, or would call him Fav Ra.

David Carr has had the potential to be amazing, but the Texans are too stupid to see that the problem isn't him, but the O-line. They've done nothing since bringing in their franchise player to help him out. If I were Carr and didn't get the help, I'd have been out of there when my contract was up. Even if it meant having to prove myself for less money initially, it would be worth going elsewhere to get protection.[/QUOTE]

well they signed mike flanagan from the packers, who used to be brett favre's center for this past 6 years. also most of the problems came from bad, bad coaching. Most of the coaches in the former regime aren't even getting a job anywhere in the NFL or just got lucky to get a job. They kept steve mckinney to play LG and believe chester pitts can be good enough to hold down LT. they need to address the guard and tackle on the right side. i'm not saying its all on the players fault but a good amount is on the coaching side.
 
David Carr, has a chance to be a very good QB, strong arm, a young WR in Andre Johnson, a good RB in Dominic Davis, and hopefully with the addition of Flanagan and maybe trading down and selecting Ferguson, this could turn it around. Duante Robinson is sick wit it'.
 
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