Please allow to go past 500 posts due to draft. NFL Offseason discussion roundtable.

[quote name='ph33r m3']David Carr, has a chance to be a very good QB, strong arm, a young WR in Andre Johnson, a good RB in Dominic Davis, and hopefully with the addition of Flanagan and maybe trading down and selecting Ferguson, this could turn it around. Duante Robinson is sick wit it'.[/QUOTE]

carr has a hell of an arm, and a bit of mobility as well. f he doesnt get hit in 2 seconds, he can get things done, but we havent seen much of him not getting hit in 2 seconds
 
it looks like eric moulds is being traded the texans by the end of this week. his agent said "he and the texans need to dot the i's and cross the t's". texans finally finally have the no.2 to complement andre johnson
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']it looks like eric moulds is being traded the texans by the end of this week. his agent said "he and the texans need to dot the i's and cross the t's". texans finally finally have the no.2 to complement andre johnson[/quote]

What are they giving up for him?
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']it looks like eric moulds is being traded the texans by the end of this week. his agent said "he and the texans need to dot the i's and cross the t's". texans finally finally have the no.2 to complement andre johnson[/QUOTE]

yea but, eric moulds cant block

that would be a stunning looking offense though, Carr, Bush, Andre, and now Moulds. Its like Cardinals #2.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']4th round pick.[/quote]

That's not bad at all.

The player I'd really love Dallas to go snag is Javon Walker. If he can fully recover from that injury, he'd be an awesome pickup and would compliment T.O. and Glenn very well.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']That's not bad at all.

The player I'd really love Dallas to go snag is Javon Walker. If he can fully recover from that injury, he'd be an awesome pickup and would compliment T.O. and Glenn very well.[/QUOTE]

yea but i think the cowboys would be in cap hell paying 3 wrs top notch money. u can only dream i suppose ;)
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']yea but i think the cowboys would be in cap hell paying 3 wrs top notch money. u can only dream i suppose ;)[/QUOTE]

right, especially since they just signed glenn to a 5 year extension.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']That's not bad at all.

The player I'd really love Dallas to go snag is Javon Walker. If he can fully recover from that injury, he'd be an awesome pickup and would compliment T.O. and Glenn very well.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm really hoping San Francisco makes a legitimate run at Walker.

Hell, I'd surrender a 3rd and a 4th round pick. Remember, the '9ers got that when they traded away Brandon Lloyd. So it essentially would become a swap of Walker for Lloyd -- that would be an enormous upgrade.

Plus, on NFL Network today, it was reported that the 49ers, Broncos and (Eagles?) all displayed some degree of interest in trading for Walker!
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']yea but, eric moulds cant block

that would be a stunning looking offense though, Carr, Bush, Andre, and now Moulds. Its like Cardinals #2.[/QUOTE]

or even more stunning would be

qb. carr
rb. davis
wr1. johnson
wr2. moulds
slot wr. bush
te. putizer

4 out of 6 pieces are in. now, 1 need to be added via trade (moulds) and the draft (bush).

if u r the defensive coordinator, who in the fuck are u going to cover?

but as always with the texans, PROTECTION AND LIFE INSURANCE FOR THE CARR. ;)
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']if u r the defensive coordinator, who in the fuck are u going to cover?

but as always with the texans, PROTECTION AND LIFE INSURANCE FOR THE CARR. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yeah you answered the question yourself. None of them, because Carr will be sacked and won't have time.

I find it hilarious that the Texans are looking to add these offensive weapons, when clearly they're a good offensive line away from a very good offense.
 
I saw someone in wearing a TO cowboys jersey in one of my classes :puke:

[quote name='WinnieThePujols']Yeah I'm really hoping San Francisco makes a legitimate run at Walker.

Hell, I'd surrender a 3rd and a 4th round pick. Remember, the '9ers got that when they traded away Brandon Lloyd. So it essentially would become a swap of Walker for Lloyd -- that would be an enormous upgrade.

Plus, on NFL Network today, it was reported that the 49ers, Broncos and (Eagles?) all displayed some degree of interest in trading for Walker![/quote]

Hopefully we can get him.
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']Yeah you answered the question yourself. None of them, because Carr will be sacked and won't have time.

I find it hilarious that the Texans are looking to add these offensive weapons, when clearly they're a good offensive line away from a very good offense.[/QUOTE]

i think they will address the right guard and tackle via the draft. the left side with pitts and mckinney is fine. both of them are at their natural positions and flanagan provides some stability and leadership at center. if they fix that right side and trade/sign moulds, the texans will be force to be reckon with on offense. as i said before, every offensive coach except chris palmer (who's the OC in dallas) hasnt gotten a job or lucky to found one in the NFL (the former OC pendry, OL, and QB coaches cant find a job and thats for sure). kubiak is an offensive genius and he will fix this offense.
 
[quote name='DT778']I saw someone in wearing a TO cowboys jersey in one of my classes :puke:



Hopefully we can get him.[/quote]

I believe it all hinges on Favre. If he retires, then I would assume they'd give him up, but if he stays then they'll probably want one last hurrah.

If I remember correctly, my 49ers have 7 day 1 picks which I believe is the most. If we got Javon Walker it'd be probably the best movie this orginazation has done since releasing Reggie McGrew.
 
After days of negotiations, the Houston Texans are close to finalizing a trade that will land them Buffalo Bills wide receiver Eric Moulds.

The Texans have agreed to pay Moulds $14 million over four years, in a deal that includes a $5 million signing bonus. The only part of the deal that has yet to be finalized is what the Texans will give the Bills as compensation. The Texans are offering a fifth-round draft pick. The Bills are asking for a fourth-round pick.

Moulds will arrive in town on Monday to meet with Texans officials. He is slated to become the Texans' No. 2 receiver and start opposite Andre Johnson.
 
I would love to see Walker in the Niner Red & Gold... Walker & Bryant would give Smith a couple of bona fide receivers to chuck the pigskin at.
 
[quote name='DT778']#-oI thought we were talking about the freak javon kearse. But the other javon would good for the team too.[/quote]

:imwithst:

Don't worry bro, I wouldn't mind 'The Freak', but i'd take Walker over him.
 
mel kipers mock draft on sportscenter has the 49ers taking Vernon Davis (which i think is freakin awesome, since hes a savage) and best of all, the raiders snatching up Vince Young. I hope mel is right about the top 7
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']mel kipers mock draft on sportscenter has the 49ers taking Vernon Davis (which i think is freakin awesome, since hes a savage) and best of all, the raiders snatching up Vince Young. I hope mel is right about the top 7[/quote]

For the Raiders if they got Young, that would be perfect, for my 49ers getting Davis...eh. The problem with the guy is yes he's had an outstanding work-out sessions but in his college career the only game that he had more than 1 TD was against Duke. I'm hoping the rest of Mel's draft is right even though I believe their's no way in hell Chad Greenway is at 11, he's maybe a mid-late draft pick. I'm hoping we trade down and draft Jimmy Williams.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']For the Raiders if they got Young, that would be perfect, for my 49ers getting Davis...eh. The problem with the guy is yes he's had an outstanding work-out sessions but in his college career the only game that he had more than 1 TD was against Duke. I'm hoping the rest of Mel's draft is right even though I believe their's no way in hell Chad Greenway is at 11, he's maybe a mid-late draft pick. I'm hoping we trade down and draft Jimmy Williams.[/QUOTE]
So you're knocking him because he doesn't have many two or more TD games? I didn't realize tight ends were supposed to put up huge TD numbers to be good tight ends.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']So you're knocking him because he doesn't have many two or more TD games? I didn't realize tight ends were supposed to put up huge TD numbers to be good tight ends.[/quote]

Not saying that's what makes a TE, but just stating the fact. I'm not hating Vernon Davis, i've said many times before, if we trade down to an 11-12 pick i'd take Davis if he's available. People keep talking about Alex Smith needs a weapon, yes he does, but a TE weapon is not what he needs, he needs a WR which is why next year with Johnson and Ginn Jr. coming out that's when I'd like to draft a weapon for Smith. Vernon Davis isn't the only TE out there, seeing as how it's a strong TE draft, I see it that we draft either Hawk or Williams if available, if not we trade down.

From what Mel's draft predictions go, which easily with 1 pick could change the whole thing, i'd love my 49ers to draft Pope from Georgia, he's huge, great hands and is a great blocker. That's what my 49ers need.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Not saying that's what makes a TE, but just stating the fact. I'm not hating Vernon Davis, i've said many times before, if we trade down to an 11-12 pick i'd take Davis if he's available. People keep talking about Alex Smith needs a weapon, yes he does, but a TE weapon is not what he needs, he needs a WR which is why next year with Johnson and Ginn Jr. coming out that's when I'd like to draft a weapon for Smith. Vernon Davis isn't the only TE out there, seeing as how it's a strong TE draft, I see it that we draft either Hawk or Williams if available, if not we trade down.

From what Mel's draft predictions go, which easily with 1 pick could change the whole thing, i'd love my 49ers to draft Pope from Georgia, he's huge, great hands and is a great blocker. That's what my 49ers need.[/QUOTE]
There may be quite a few good TE's in the draft, but Vernon seems like a great guy to pick up with that pick. A good TE can help a QB greatly improve. Look how big Miller was for Pittsburgh's championship run this past year, he was great for those goal-line and redzone plays. Though Vernon seems more similar to Gates or Gonzales, an athletic TE. Any team without a good TE would love to have a guy like him if they don't have any other pressing needs in their roster. SF could have needs at quite a few positions they could go for with that pick, it's all up to what the five teams ahead of them pick, though a few of them are obvious and others are not so obvious.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']There may be quite a few good TE's in the draft, but Vernon seems like a great guy to pick up with that pick. A good TE can help a QB greatly improve. Look how big Miller was for Pittsburgh's championship run this past year, he was great for those goal-line and redzone plays. Though Vernon seems more similar to Gates or Gonzales, an athletic TE. Any team without a good TE would love to have a guy like him if they don't have any other pressing needs in their roster. SF could have needs at quite a few positions they could go for with that pick, it's all up to what the five teams ahead of them pick, though a few of them are obvious and others are not so obvious.[/quote]

My 49ers need more than Vernon. I've always been curious whether Mike Nolan has thought of the idea of trading our #6 pick to the Broncos for #16 and #22 (I believe)..i'd do that in a heart beat. Give my 49ers the chance to draft Chad Jackson and Jimmy Williams.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']My 49ers need more than Vernon. I've always been curious whether Mike Nolan has thought of the idea of trading our #6 pick to the Broncos for #16 and #22 (I believe)..i'd do that in a heart beat. Give my 49ers the chance to draft Chad Jackson and Jimmy Williams.[/QUOTE]
That's a horrible trade for Denver, and I'd hope that Denver could recognize that. Denver has a perfect spot with the 15th and 22nd picks to fill in two of their holes.
 
49ers need 3-4 OLBs badly since carter and peterson left. cant run a 3-4 w/o great LBs. 49ers dont have any good LBs that make any Offense be scared
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']I can't see them taking Hawk, though. An outside linebacker in a 3-4 HAS to be able to provide a pass rush... Hawk can't really do that.[/QUOTE]

ideally they would get hawk, but hes probably going to get picked up by the packers at #5, assuming mario williams is gone, and im hoping he is, because that would mean the saints took him, and everything would be unfolding for the raiders perfectly.

The 49ers getting rid of carter, peterson, and lloyd werent really moves that moved them forward IMO. If they stick at #7, vernon is the best pick for them, though Deangelo Williams wouldnt hurt, but frank gore is from the U, and from what we saw last season, hes looks to be another good Miami RB
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']ideally they would get hawk, but hes probably going to get picked up by the packers at #5, assuming mario williams is gone, and im hoping he is, because that would mean the saints took him, and everything would be unfolding for the raiders perfectly.

The 49ers getting rid of carter, peterson, and lloyd werent really moves that moved them forward IMO. If they stick at #7, vernon is the best pick for them, though Deangelo Williams wouldnt hurt, but frank gore is from the U, and from what we saw last season, hes looks to be another good Miami RB[/QUOTE]

imo, the 49ers needs some defense. this year's class of TEs are very very good. this year, theres not many great 3-4 OLBS or CBs in the draft. 49ers can get marcedes lewis if he's available in the 2nd round or klopstein from colorado in the 3rd. both are solids TEs but not calibur of vernon davis. also mike nolan wants a defense playmaker for his 3-4 defense since its his team and he's a defensive coach. if mario williams is there, 49ers HAVE to take him. the dude can play 3-4 OLB b/c he's athletic ability and possible enough coverage skills.
 
Gimme Brandon Moore (He's the LB that basically took JP's spot, very good player). Seeing as how I doubt Hawk or Williams will be at #6, trading down would be the best bet.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']brandon moore is ok at best. still they need a dominate 3-4 OLB. they better get mario williams or manny lawson.[/quote]

Oh we definitely we need an OLB or DE. Hell really, if my 49ers stayed pat and drafted anyone who's realistically a top 15 pick, I wouldn't be mad. We need that much help. One guy that I wish would lose some weight then i'd be all for drafting is Ngata from Oregon, i've seen him play by watching the Pac-10 and for a huge DT, this guy is fast..
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Oh we definitely we need an OLB or DE. Hell really, if my 49ers stayed pat and drafted anyone who's realistically a top 15 pick, I wouldn't be mad. We need that much help. One guy that I wish would lose some weight then i'd be all for drafting is Ngata from Oregon, i've seen him play by watching the Pac-10 and for a huge DT, this guy is fast..[/QUOTE]

ngata has some work ethic issues and not consistent

49ers need a player at every key 3-4 positionsten
 
Cutler was the only one that stood out. I would be suprised if he lasted that long. But it does make some sense, broncos don't have a good back up and Plummer is getting up there in age.
 
[quote name='fart_bubble']Cutler was the only one that stood out. I would be suprised if he lasted that long. But it does make some sense, broncos don't have a good back up and Plummer is getting up there in age.[/QUOTE]
Even with that, it's not an immediate need and not one I see them filling this early just yet. They're still developing their youngsters from previous drafts and Jake's not that old just yet.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']ngata has some work ethic issues and not consistent

49ers need a player at every key 3-4 positionsten[/QUOTE]

Just like the raptors were consistently criticized for taking Charlie Villanueva as a high pick with the same problems, rite?
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']awesome draft board by bonini, I wouldn't mind at all seeing the hometown hawks pick up Chad Jackson.[/QUOTE]

again y do the hawks need chad jackson for? seahawks just gave burleson a stupid ass contract of 49 million dollars. seahawks needs a CB after they cutted andre dyson.
 
No offense but that's a shitty mock. No way:
A) Chad Jackson lasts that long, he's a teen pick
B) Jay Cutler will not last until 15
C) No way in hell New Orleans picks Vernon Davis
D) No way in hell again the Pack let Mario Williams pass.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']again y do the hawks need chad jackson for? seahawks just gave burleson a stupid ass contract of 49 million dollars. seahawks needs a CB after they cutted andre dyson.[/QUOTE]

They don't need another corner that bad to go out of there way for one.. The reason they cut andre dyson is because he SUCKED last year. He was injured, on and off the field, and never seemed to be too good at anytime he was in there (just like jamie sharper). I think the Hawks like the way Jordan Babineux is progressing, as well as Jimmy Williams. They might play the waiting game on Ty Law and Charles woodson possibly seeing if they last long enough to drop value.

As for chad jackson, the seahawks do need another receiver. Bobby Engram is not getting any younger. Burelson will not be getting that much money, the only reason the contract is that large is so if the vikings did match the tag offer, they would be stuck basically paying the full terms of the contract. I like the Burleson pick up alot. With the vikings, he showed flashes of being exceptional, and i think he and Darrel Jackson will make good complimentary receivers. Hes tall enough where you can run the same routes you had success with Joe Jurvicious.
 
seahawks will get either a guard, CB, or pass-rushing DE in the draft. if they waiting for law or woodson, that means they need a CB. both of those players want some shit-load of amounts of money.
 
There is no way the Pack is going to draft Williams, Hawk is their man. And when you remember that they re-signed Kampman, you realize that spot isn't a immediate need. Now if Ferguson some how slipped to the packers, I could see them grabbing him.

IMO there is only three teams that need a reciever and one that might, that I could see be willing to draft one in the first round:Bears, Eagles, Chiefs and maybe the Jags.

As for the titans not picking up a QB, they need a soo many peices that I don't see them grabbing a qb in the first round. I could see them grab Croyle in the second. If you have a first round pick and it is up to Vince Young (someone that alot of people are scared of due to playing style and his college shot gun offense) Jay Cutler (the only time he looks good is when he doesn't have anyone running at him) or someone who can walk straight in and contribute on day one, who would you draft?

As for Saints grabbing Vernon Davis. I don't know about that one. Remember that they have a projected trade on there, so if it doesn't happen the whole mock draft is a moot point.
 
[quote name='fart_bubble']There is no way the Pack is going to draft Williams, Hawk is their man. And when you remember that they re-signed Kampman, you realize that spot isn't a immediate need. Now if Ferguson some how slipped to the packers, I could see them grabbing him.

IMO there is only three teams that need a reciever and one that might, that I could see be willing to draft one in the first round:Bears, Eagles, Chiefs and maybe the Jags.

As for the titans not picking up a QB, they need a soo many peices that I don't see them grabbing a qb in the first round. I could see them grab Croyle in the second. If you have a first round pick and it is up to Vince Young (someone that alot of people are scared of due to playing style and his college shot gun offense) Jay Cutler (the only time he looks good is when he doesn't have anyone running at him) or someone who can walk straight in and contribute on day one, who would you draft?

As for Saints grabbing Vernon Davis. I don't know about that one. Remember that they have a projected trade on there, so if it doesn't happen the whole mock draft is a moot point.[/quote]

The good thing about Young going to the Titans is that he won't be pressured to have to come in and play immediately. He'll have a couple seasons to learn under McNair and adapt to a more orthodox NFL offense.

Vince Young is such a great athlete that it would be worth picking him up that early. Leinart and Cutler may be the more NFL-ready QBs coming out of the draft, but I think Young has way more upside than both of them combined.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']The good thing about Young going to the Titans is that he won't be pressured to have to come in and play immediately. He'll have a couple seasons to learn under McNair and adapt to a more orthodox NFL offense.

Vince Young is such a great athlete that it would be worth picking him up that early. Leinart and Cutler may be the more NFL-ready QBs coming out of the draft, but I think Young has way more upside than both of them combined.[/quote]

What sucks is that Young has taken such a fall because of the Wonderlic test and his combine drills, but you know if the NFL Draft was a day after the Rose Bowl, Vince Young would be #1.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']What sucks is that Young has taken such a fall because of the Wonderlic test and his combine drills, but you know if the NFL Draft was a day after the Rose Bowl, Vince Young would be #1.[/quote]

Dan Marino also bombed his Wonderlic test, too.
 
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