Please allow to go past 500 posts due to draft. NFL Offseason discussion roundtable.

Norm Chow knows Lendale the best of anyone, so it looks like Tennessee got a nice back at this late of a pick. I'm sure he'll be motivated enough for Fisher and Chow and since every team passed him up at least once. He would pair up nicely with Brown, if Brown could ever stay healthy but craven is right, one of those backs is on the way out at some point.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']How many people had Chad Jackson as the #1 WR in the draft?[/quote]

I did, but I'll admit I was slightly biased being a Gator myself. But I thought with his size, speed, hand, and intangibles that he was the best wide reciever and would be the best prospect for the NFL.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']How many people had Chad Jackson as the #1 WR in the draft?[/quote]

I had him #2 behind Holmes. I thought Holmes was more polished, and overall was more NFL ready.
 
I'd have to say this is a pretty good draft for Denver today. I just wished LenDale was part of it and that we had another pick or two for today. Maybe a trade will rectify that, but tomorrow should be good.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']man, that arizona cardinals offense is lookin hot. Boldin, Fitz, Edge, then add in Leinart and Leonard Pope, then latui to help out that line.[/quote]

They were lookin' hot last year too. Picked by many to win our division.
 
An interesting tidbit on how the Patriots scout players. They gave Jackson part of the offense to study at the combine, and tested him on it a few weeks later when they worked him out in Foxboro. Also, Maroney has only fumbled 4 times in 600+ carries in college. Stat sheet actually says he's never fumbled.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

I'm fairly happy about how the first 2 rounds went. The real story will be how the later rounds go, they usually find useful guys.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']man, that arizona cardinals offense is lookin hot. Boldin, Fitz, Edge, then add in Leinart and Leonard Pope, then latui to help out that line.[/quote]

Damn, they got Pope too, wow! He slipped a little bit further than most thought. And if Shipp or the other back (who escapes me, guy from Cal) can step up, they should be able to atleast make a run at a wild card spot. Then again, that is assuming the D can make plays.
 
[quote name='Quillion']How about those Titans? Young and Lendale White... That's incredible.[/quote]

Even though I am not a Titans fan, I will be buying a Young jersey as soon as it hits the market, or atleast try to get a Longhorns one on the cheap.
 
Talk about not drafting based on need... The Pats took TE Dave Thomas in the 3rd round.
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Looks like a special teams player, replacement for Fauria as the 3rd TE.
 
i'm skeptical on why thomas goes to the patriots. i mean he's a great pass-catching TE but they need one blocking TE to complement graham and watson.

Also I think Houston got a steal in Eric Winston in the 3rd round
 
I had a good laugh watching the Jets draft "highlights".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98


...And the Jets take, Quarterback... (crowd gets excited in anticipation) ...Ken O'Brien!
(Crowd: We want Sapp! We want Sapp!) And the Jets select, TE Kyle Brady!

Also noteworthy:
4. He's a talent to be sure, but if LenDale White can't keep himself from stuffing his face with Funyons, Ding Dongs, Nutty Bars and anything else his plump little fingers can pluck out of the snack machine now, during the most crucial time of his football life, what makes any team think he's going to get his butt into shape after he gets paid?
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i would have to say this is the worst draft ive had to endure through as being a Buffalo Bills fan...What in the fucking hell is Marv and Ass Jauron thinking.......ok i can understand Whittner....but we could still have traded down and gotten a extra pick...they will regret not taking bunkley at 8...but the one pick i dont really and will ever really understand is the trade up to get John McCargo...i hope marve and Jauron have a good explanation for this one..to trade up in the first round and to get a reach pick like this really really irks me...there are still a good amount of DTs still left...hell i wouldve waited and picked up Winston Justice who dropped in the second...or even Eric Winston who dropped in the thrid rnd hell they coulda waited till day two to get Daryl Tapp and not McCargo....the only good pick i saw was AShton Youboty...picking him in third rnd is a steal...like Justice in the second.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Talk about not drafting based on need... The Pats took TE Dave Thomas in the 3rd round.
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Looks like a special teams player, replacement for Fauria as the 3rd TE.[/QUOTE]

i think belicheck has something up their sleeves..getting Maroney and Jackson was enough to make me a believer that the Pats arent declining.
 
I'm pretty excited with the Cowboys' draft thus far.

1) OLB Bobbie Carpenter: We got a great run-stopping linebacker in Carpenter who will compliment Demarcus Ware immensely and will help make our front seven even more dangerous.

2) TE Anthony Fasano: This guy fits our plans to run a two tight-end set offense very good. He has great hands and is a good blocker, too. He will help solidify our offensive line and will give us yet another down-field threat to go with Jason Witten. This could likely end up being the best tight-end tandem in the NFL.

3) DT Jason Hatcher: I'll be honest, I don't know much about him, but from what I read and have heard about him, he has tremendous potential.

We were also able to grab three more picks by trading down a few spots, so I'm looking to add some depth to our secondary and offensive line today.

So far, I'd have to give our draft a B. We drafted by what makes teams successful - by BPA. Both first and second rounders were the highest on our draft boards and fitted where we wanted to go with our team and selected them.

You can't argue with that, even if there may be other needs on the team. You don't try to fill a need through the draft by reaching on mediocre talent. Just draft the best player on the board, and 99% of the time, you won't go wrong.
 
I'm a big proponent of drafting based on need, and not BPA. Why take a great running back if you already have two?

My team always seems to draft on need, and they've been doing pretty well lately.
 
Lendale White ate my baby... I cant believe he dropped that much..

I really dont like the cowboys second pick. This draft had some many talented TEs they could have waited til the 3rd round.
 
I could have sworn i posted this already.

Anyway i am very happy with the way the Titans drafted, i being a titans fan (or anyway team that is in Tennesse) am overjoyed with their picks.

Only thing that sucks is now all the bandwagon fans are going to try to play as my Titans in Madden 07.
 
Though i am a Titans fan by defualt i live in by detroit so i follow all the D-town based teams also.

WHAT THE HELL ARE THE LOINS DOING? We managed to get 5...count them 5 absolutely waste of human flesh QBs on the same team. Matt Millan for the love of god stop hording all the garbage QB and just get a good one.

Why do they refuse to get a good QB? I cant belive they passed on Matt. I look forward to another season of high thrown balls and hundreds of sacks.
 
[quote name='Quillion']I'm a big proponent of drafting based on need, and not BPA. Why take a great running back if you already have two?

My team always seems to draft on need, and they've been doing pretty well lately.[/quote]

This coming from a Seahawks fan. :applause: Your team tried to trade away last year's league MVP for a second-round pick. I hardly consider that a smart idea. Sure, the Seahawks are a pretty good team, but they're not as good as their record indicated last season.

But back on topic. If a team is run successfully, they will address most of their needs through free agency before the draft even begins. Then, they can draft BPA.

I can understand a team not drafting the highest player on their board if they have significant depth at that position, but they should go to the next player on their draft board where they don't.

Obviously, if you have two players of equal talent, you will select the one who will fill a need on your team. But too many times teams reach on talent because they have a hole at that position.

Just look at what Buffalo did. They drafted Whitner at the eight spot, and many people didn't see him going until after 18. This is a perfect example where a team drafted by need, reached and will most likely end up regretting it. There were some really great players left when they drafted who were a helluva lot better than Whitner. If Whitner was the highest on their draft board, they should have traded down a few picks and selected him then.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I could have sworn i posted this already.

Anyway i am very happy with the way the Titans drafted, i being a titans fan (or anyway team that is in Tennesse) am overjoyed with their picks.

Only thing that sucks is now all the bandwagon fans are going to try to play as my Titans in Madden 07.[/quote]

I think it's very interesting to see Young and White go to the Titans. It will at least make for some interesting stories.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']This coming from a Seahawks fan. :applause: Your team tried to trade away last year's league MVP for a second-round pick. I hardly consider that a smart idea. Sure, the Seahawks are a pretty good team, but they're not as good as their record indicated last season.

But back on topic. If a team is run successfully, they will address most of their needs through free agency before the draft even begins. Then, they can draft BPA.

I can understand a team not drafting the highest player on their board if they have significant depth at that position, but they should go to the next player on their draft board where they don't.

Obviously, if you have two players of equal talent, you will select the one who will fill a need on your team. But too many times teams reach on talent because they have a hole at that position.

Just look at what Buffalo did. They drafted Whitner at the eight spot, and many people didn't see him going until after 18. This is a perfect example where a team drafted by need, reached and will most likely end up regretting it. There were some really great players left when they drafted who were a helluva lot better than Whitner. If Whitner was the highest on their draft board, they should have traded down a few picks and selected him then.[/quote]

Shaun had some questionable character traits a few seasons ago, I think that Ruskell was shopping him around simply to shape him up. If it was that stupid of an offer, then why didn't anyone take him up on it?

Obviously you don't skip over many talented players to select one that fills a hole, but neither do you select the best possible player regardless of the situation.

In the Texans situation, their defense is quite a bit worse than their offense. They desperately need an anchor on that D-Line. I really think they picked the best guy for them. On the other hand, however, they should have picked up Bush and traded him for a few picks, much like the Chargers did with Eli a couple seasons ago.
 
also the texans believed that the saints were going to pick mario williams. if they really really wanted him, they had to chose him number 1.

also if bush is this "cant miss" prospect, how come new orleans didnt get any offers to trade down?
 
I really like the Raiders 4th round pick, Darnell Bing from USC. Im dissapointed that the 49ers passed on brad smith from mizzou for michael robinson at pick 100
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']I really like the Raiders 4th round pick, Darnell Bing from USC. Im dissapointed that the 49ers passed on brad smith from mizzou for michael robinson at pick 100[/quote]
Because Brad Smith is a project...and he would be playing WR if we drafted him. We already drafted 2 WR's so far, and Robinson will play RB and probably backup S to Parrish. I'm hoping we draft Lawrence Vickers, then with our 3 remaining picks go all D.
 
[quote name='Murcielago77']I really like the Raiders 4th round pick, Darnell Bing from USC. Im dissapointed that the 49ers passed on brad smith from mizzou for michael robinson at pick 100[/QUOTE]

yet the raiders still doesnt fix their front 7 who doesnt scare anyone except burgess. yes, enjoy the raiders having larry johnson, tomlinson, and bell/dayne run over that crappy run defense for 6 games this season but instead goes for freaks of natures with speed
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Daryl Tapp to the Seahawks is interesting. You guys got yourself a hard worker.[/quote]

That's really the Seahawks theme for this and the last draft, pick guys maybe a little less athletic, but with an excellent work ethic.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']yet the raiders still doesnt fix their front 7 who doesnt scare anyone except burgess. yes, enjoy the raiders having larry johnson, tomlinson, and bell/dayne run over that crappy run defense for 6 games this season but instead goes for freaks of natures with speed[/QUOTE]

danny clark is decent, kirk morrison isnt exactly a run stopper, but hes comin up, tommy kelly is pretty good, they still have sapp, and he could do better if burgess starts drawing doubles. Though, tyler brayton is complete shit, and they arent physical enough up front, maybe art shell can help em out
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']WHAT THE HELL ARE THE LOINS DOING? We managed to get 5...count them 5 absolutely waste of human flesh QBs on the same team. Matt Millan for the love of god stop hording all the garbage QB and just get a good one.

Why do they refuse to get a good QB? I cant belive they passed on Matt. I look forward to another season of high thrown balls and hundreds of sacks.[/QUOTE]

Calling the Lions retarded would be an injustice to mentally challenged people everywhere. That Sims guy has had 5 concussions that they know about. He's going fit in perfect......on the IR.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']

Just look at what Buffalo did. They drafted Whitner at the eight spot, and many people didn't see him going until after 18. This is a perfect example where a team drafted by need, reached and will most likely end up regretting it. There were some really great players left when they drafted who were a helluva lot better than Whitner. If Whitner was the highest on their draft board, they should have traded down a few picks and selected him then.[/QUOTE]

my thoughts exaclty...they shouldve dealt it to the eggles and recieved an extra pick for the 8th spot to get whittner..i know we need whittner but now to draft Ko Simpson in the fourth irks me even more....i mean the Bills did sign Matt Bowen to make up for the loss of milloy...i wish they would atleast got orien harris but what can you do....and if it was BPA than bush wouldve been #1...
 
[quote name='jlarlee']the pats reloaded nicely. Hopefully we can pick up on emore quality LB in free agency[/QUOTE]
That would seem to be the plan, they have plenty of caproom to address the defensive needs. They seem to like Ryan Claridge, OLB, their 5th round pick last year, spent the year on IR. They also think of Jeremy Mincey, their 6th round pick as an OLB and not so much a DE.

Their needs seem to be at linebacker and corner, plenty of cap room to take care of that. Theres talk of Ty Law coming back, a few other teams that wanted him ended up taking corners in the first few rounds.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']also the texans believed that the saints were going to pick mario williams. if they really really wanted him, they had to chose him number 1.

also if bush is this "cant miss" prospect, how come new orleans didnt get any offers to trade down?[/quote]

The Jets called the morning of the draft to find out what it would take to get Bush. Apparently, it was too much to pull the trigger on.

New Orleans said they wouldn't trade out of the second spot unless they got a Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams type offer, and I think most teams are too smart nowadays to do something like that.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Heh, Marcus Vick didn't get drafted! :D

I'm sure someone will give him a tryout, but he really screwed himself.[/QUOTE]
He should go to the CFL with Ricky Williams for a year.

Thats what happens when you have a huge sense of entitlement. He's not even really that good, they broke his game down on ESPN. He makes one read, then runs, his mobility isn't even that great. CFL or the Arena League, NFL Europe if he's extremely lucky.
 
OMG.......i hate the lions so much. *sobs* Why are they so stupid?

Other than Ernie Simms (who i wouldnt have picked given the other prospects out there) the lions are STILL THE EXACT TEAM FROM LAST YEAR!

Bullocks is a good S but though our defense is not the greatest its our offense just needs one thing to fill it....a QB

Our offense is so close to being sound K.Jones (who half way during the seaons they split time with Artose Pinner (sp) for some reaons....he fucking sucks) 3 good WR a decent TE and a nice line. All we needed really to maybe get the ball rolling was a QB....who do we get....a god damn LB.

God damn i hate lions football so much. They make me want to punch babies.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']OMG.......i hate the lions so much. *sobs* Why are they so stupid?
[/QUOTE]

Don't ever get emotional with Lions football my friend. The only reason that the Ford family and the Lions aren't constantly ripped by the natioal football media for being the dumbest people in professional sports is because of all the advertising cash they spend for the car company.

Its all about he cash man and they are pure genius. Worst team over the last fifty years. Even worse over the last 5 years and they have huge waiting list for season tickets. There is no pressure to win.

They win no matter what the team on the field does. Always remember that.
 
I didn't even realize til about 6 pm today, but someone I know personally from college got drafted in the 4th rd by Green Bay. I'll have to call here in a minute to give him major kudos (like he probably hasn't heard it a million times today, but it's the thought that counts).
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']I didn't even realize til about 6 pm today, but someone I know personally from college got drafted in the 4th rd by Green Bay. I'll have to call here in a minute to give him major kudos (like he probably hasn't heard it a million times today, but it's the thought that counts).[/quote]

Thats awesome.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']I didn't even realize til about 6 pm today, but someone I know personally from college got drafted in the 4th rd by Green Bay. I'll have to call here in a minute to give him major kudos (like he probably hasn't heard it a million times today, but it's the thought that counts).[/quote]

I went to school with Daniel and Josh Bullocks both second round picks (2005,2006) I'm still friends with one of there cousins from Chattanooga maybe i'll give him a call.
 
Casserly picked the Rose Bowl as an example about not picking Reggie Bush because that was a game most people could relate to. He said you don't pay a guy $9mill a year to be used part-time...Mario will give you every down. He played only in half of the time (as in half of USC's offensive plays)

In the middle of Casserly's lecture to the fans, he slips and says "Mario is a better human being..." and then pauses as if catching himself before saying something else. But he did say it, he says he was a better human being. What do they know that we don't?

Also houston was a bit worried after bush came for an interview in houston. The mixed signals came even before Bush arrived at a news conference that concluded his visit in Houston. Team officials hesitated before letting him stand in front of the backdrop covered in team logos for the event.

Quote:
"The Texans are keeping quiet about the top draft pick. Coach Gary Kubiak didn't answer questions about Bush during a separate news conference earlier on the 2006 schedule"

Then the very next day, they get Mario Williams to Houston.

The Texans couldn't say the visit with Bush went unwell that because they didn't want to derail any trade up suitors but I never got the feeling that Bush was in love with the Texans and vice versa, the way it should have been since Bush was in the media's eyes "the consensus #1 pick" and we had the first pick and wheelbarrows full of money.

If you know you are the first pick and you really want to go to that city, you sell yourself like crazy to the locals. Bush never did that.


I think something's up with Reggie's attitude that drove him away from the texans. i think maybe bush just thinks about bush and not the team. Also, money and ability to sign before the draft came to play as well (especially the money). Why did they bring Mario Williams in the next day after Bush?

Well, NO is going to have to match that offer or better if they even think Reggie is going to step on that field. Especially with the $3.2 Million law suite about to be slapped on him from the marketing company that took care of his family while a USC.

I would not want to be in NO spot right now, nor Duece's spot because Reggie is going to sell tickets for that team and he knows it and so does the Saints. Now he will put the pressure on them and they are going to have to get him in there right now if they want to sell those seats.

If anybody that saw the st louis game last year knows the real reason we took mario ... a 3rd string rookie from harvard, ouch. actually that could go for most any game last season. like the first game of the season when JP Losman torched us in his first game (and then proceeded to look like a bust against everyone else). if you saw larry johnson & shawn alexander's 200+ yard days against us, mario's your new best friend. jacksonville & indy both putting up 38 points against us last season arent some of my fondest memories. getting hammered into pulp by the steelers & losing to the 49'ers second string players isnt high on my list either.

More and more now, I think the texans made the smart decision as crazy as that sounds since i wanted reggie bush as well. i dont think the usc/parents stuff wasn't a factor in the decision but i think his part-time play at USC (not playing every down)/his attitude/money were the key things that tumbled on him. williams seems now a more of a fit to houston now to help improve that awful defense. he has the complete package and i'm rooting him a lot to do very well b/c he didnt deserve the bad karma or the boos at all. He derserves a chance. I think i really liked his attitude and interviews more than reggie bush as a person. nice job gary kubiak


here's some quotes from him
"I'm going to play with a chip on my shoulder because nobody thought I was worth the top pick except the Texans," he said. "They don't have to worry about me being a bust. I'm going to reward their faith in me. "I'm proud to be a Texan, and I don't take it (booing) personally. I'm used to being the underdog. Reggie and Vince are great players. I wasn't on TV all the time like they were, but that doesn't mean I can't be a great player, too. I'm going to win the fans over." Finally, before he left New York for Houston, Williams was asked what he would do to celebrate being the top pick.

"Yeah, I am going to celebrate," he said. "I'm going to celebrate by working out."

Go Super Mario!

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[quote name='Soodmeg']Though i am a Titans fan by defualt i live in by detroit so i follow all the D-town based teams also.

WHAT THE HELL ARE THE LOINS DOING? We managed to get 5...count them 5 absolutely waste of human flesh QBs on the same team. Matt Millan for the love of god stop hording all the garbage QB and just get a good one.

Why do they refuse to get a good QB? I cant belive they passed on Matt. I look forward to another season of high thrown balls and hundreds of sacks.[/QUOTE]

Why do people think Matt Leinart will be good? He has not proven anything yet....I'm GLAD the Lions did not take him...best move yet. I kept saying....here we go, Lions take Leinart (Joey #2). Leinart cannot throw the deep ball like Joey also. 9 teams passed on him....must be some reason. Even his former QB coach from Tennessee passed on him.

As for the LIONS draft....it was average at best. Ernie Sims seems to be a liability with FIVE concussions already in college. It will be good if he stays healthy though. Bollocks seems to be an ok pick....we need DB help. Jonathan Scott is a steal in R5 apparently...so, that is nice.

But, the Lions still have to second guess themselves...traded a 4th Rd pick last year for Dan Orlovsky who will not even see the field in 3-4 years...when he is long gone.

As for Brian Calhoun...who knows, we really need some OG/OT help....it seems Schleshinger might be out in Detroit or Eddie Drummond is in trouble. KJ, Pinner, Bryson, Calhoun.....yeah.
 
Forget talent and all that shit:

The Dumb Texans should Know:

REGGIE BUSH = 15000+ in season ticket sales.

Mario Williams = -3500 season ticket sales.
 
[quote name='doubledown']Why do people think Matt Leinart will be good? He has not proven anything yet....I'm GLAD the Lions did not take him...best move yet. I kept saying....here we go, Lions take Leinart (Joey #2). Leinart cannot throw the deep ball like Joey also. 9 teams passed on him....must be some reason. Even his former QB coach from Tennessee passed on him.[/quote]

Thats not really true about his former coach. He didn't pass on him, hell him and Fischer want Leinart over Bush, it was ownership that passed him over.

Leinart will have a chance to prove himself in Arizona, where they're leaping over the Lions and slowly climbing out of the bottom of the barrell. Given the right situation, the Cardinals could do a reversal like the Bengals.

Plus given that Leinart now has a chip on his shoulder, he's going to bust his ass to prove critics wrong.

And to H-town, one player doesn't change anything in the AFC South, the Colts and Jags will probably still beat up on the Texans. What are the Texans against the Colts anyway? 0 and something, right?
 
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