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says "limited edition" too. So, it's just a temporary bundle, not a permanent sku, thankfully.
Price Drop Confirmed & New PS3 Bundle in August: 80GB HD + Motorstorm = $600
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Hasn't the emotion engine chip already been removed from North America and Japan? I haven't really followed the PS3 scene, but I found this link via wikipedia
http://www.psu.com/node/8983
Does this mean the 60GB PS3s that are currently in stores do not have the emotion engine? Is there anyway to tell?
http://www.psu.com/node/8983
Does this mean the 60GB PS3s that are currently in stores do not have the emotion engine? Is there anyway to tell?
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[quote name='zewone']it's become self aware.
August=SKYnet is launched, folding@HOME is people!:lol:[/QUOTE]
we thought we were curing cancer...we were really rendering an army of murderous robots...in 4D
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we thought we were curing cancer...we were really rendering an army of murderous robots...in 4D
[quote name='mr ryles']Whats wrong with an emotion engine?
Am I a newb? Maybe.
But I would like to know the answer[/QUOTE]
It's basically a PS2 inside the current PS3, to cut costs Sony took it out of the PS3 in some regions and replaced it with software emulation, less games work with emulation rather than just using the PS2 chipset.
Am I a newb? Maybe.
But I would like to know the answer[/QUOTE]
It's basically a PS2 inside the current PS3, to cut costs Sony took it out of the PS3 in some regions and replaced it with software emulation, less games work with emulation rather than just using the PS2 chipset.
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[quote name='mr ryles']Whats wrong with an emotion engine?
Am I a newb? Maybe.
But I would like to know the answer[/QUOTE]
No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.
Am I a newb? Maybe.
But I would like to know the answer[/QUOTE]
No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.
[quote name='mykevermin']No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.[/quote]
The PS1 games are software only currently though?
The PS1 games are software only currently though?
[quote name='mykevermin']No Emotion Engine means that PS2 games must rely on software emulation to work on the PS3 - which puts Sony in the same spot as MS with the 360. IOW, no EE means a huge reduction in the number of PS2 games that will be BC on the PS3.[/QUOTE]
not exatly like Microsoft. The Biggest problem with Microsoft is they farmed out the original xbox's graphics architecture to Nvidia and ended up in a squabble. Problem is Nvidia owns the rights to that, whereas in this generation Microsoft got smart and acquired the technology they outsourced.
not exatly like Microsoft. The Biggest problem with Microsoft is they farmed out the original xbox's graphics architecture to Nvidia and ended up in a squabble. Problem is Nvidia owns the rights to that, whereas in this generation Microsoft got smart and acquired the technology they outsourced.
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[quote name='NamPaehc']The PS1 games are software only currently though?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, yes. It's not a problem for the PS3, so there are few, if any, incompatibility issues.
[quote name='Zoglog']not exatly like Microsoft. The Biggest problem with Microsoft is they farmed out the original xbox's graphics architecture to Nvidia and ended up in a squabble. Problem is Nvidia owns the rights to that, whereas in this generation Microsoft got smart and acquired the technology they outsourced.[/QUOTE]
I preferred the shortn'sweet answer - hardwarewise, it will be a far easier task for Sony. Then again, given MS' commitment to BC, that's hardly a feather in Sony's cap.
As far as I know, yes. It's not a problem for the PS3, so there are few, if any, incompatibility issues.
[quote name='Zoglog']not exatly like Microsoft. The Biggest problem with Microsoft is they farmed out the original xbox's graphics architecture to Nvidia and ended up in a squabble. Problem is Nvidia owns the rights to that, whereas in this generation Microsoft got smart and acquired the technology they outsourced.[/QUOTE]
I preferred the shortn'sweet answer - hardwarewise, it will be a far easier task for Sony. Then again, given MS' commitment to BC, that's hardly a feather in Sony's cap.
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Here is the box pic. of the new 80 gig model. ^__^
http://www.gamingbits.com/content/view/2292/2/
http://www.gamingbits.com/content/view/2292/2/
Argh, Sony, you fools, you god damned fools.
If MS announces even a slight price drop, Sony is getting creamed. Of course, this could mean MS won't be in a hurry to drop the price either.
They'll have their exclusives, but that won't matter if no one is there to buy them. Not to mention that if the sales base isn't there, FF13 and MGS4 could very well get a 360 port.
The $100 drop on the 60gb was a good move, but the sheer stupidity of new 80gb version's announcement is beyond me. They've just undone any good press the price drop had by giving people something that's still at $600, but with nothing new.
This is going to put a ton of pressure on their 1st part exclusives to deliver something amazing.
If MS announces even a slight price drop, Sony is getting creamed. Of course, this could mean MS won't be in a hurry to drop the price either.
They'll have their exclusives, but that won't matter if no one is there to buy them. Not to mention that if the sales base isn't there, FF13 and MGS4 could very well get a 360 port.
The $100 drop on the 60gb was a good move, but the sheer stupidity of new 80gb version's announcement is beyond me. They've just undone any good press the price drop had by giving people something that's still at $600, but with nothing new.
This is going to put a ton of pressure on their 1st part exclusives to deliver something amazing.
[quote name='msdmoney']This should have been $550 IMO. The $500 price was a good drop, this is as bad as the 360 elite pricing.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how the Elite is nearly as bad as this
. I bought an Elite (not having a 360 before and looking at Elite vs Premium it seemed obvious to me to pick the Elite). In this case, it seems obvious to me to pick the old $499 SKU. MAYBE if they had given this a 160GB HD it might just start being worth it - that's the same HD upgrade the Elite has (100GB more) and then you could consider an addtional $20 for Motorstorm. But, as others have said, much to Sony's credit they don't have the proprietary HD, so saying this 20GB bump is worth $40 or $50 (if you consider Motorstorm to be worth $50 or $60) is an insult.
They should just replace the 60GB version with this 80GB one (without Motorstorm of course) at the $499 price point - especially if they nix the EE in these new models. Probably this is what will happen in the long run. So now I'm back to waiting it out a bit more (seriously, had they not introduced this I might have gotten a 60GB now - but now I'd rather wait to see what they change up for this Fall).
Just to break it down a bit, for $80 the Elite gives you:
1) 100 GB more HD space
2) HDMI output
3) an HDMI cable
4) Potentially more reliable system
5) From what I've heard the system noise is less (disc noise is not though!)
6) Black (ie, a DIFFERENT color than the old model)
The new PS3 model for $100 extra gives you:
1) 20 GB more HD space
2) A game that while currently at MSRP of $60 is not going to be that way for long
3) A likely LOSS of a key component (Emotion Engine)
Breaking down the 2, I look at the Elite's "worth" like this:
1) 100GB more space, easily worth [highlight]$50[/highlight] ($80 if you compare the inflated MS's pricing on the two HD's).
2) The HDMI output: value varies, but I plan on getting an HDMI receiver and this will be nice for that (along with the PS3 eventually). I dunno, say this is worth [highlight]$10[/highlight] even just for the convenience??
3) HDMI cable: not sure where all the lowball pricing for these comes from. I went to Fry's and for a long while I could only find $60-$100 ones. Then, in a dark, dank corner I found some $19.99 ones. So I'll be generous to the haters and say it is only worth [highlight]$10[/highlight] - it's still something and when I get that HDMI receiver I can use the pack-in cable that came with my Elite (otherwise at 6 feet it is kind of useless as it would be too short to hook up all the way to the TV).
4 and 5) Unknown and hard to put a price on, but nice potential bonuses.
6) Black system: worth [highlight]$5[/highlight] to be different. Hey, there's a $5 PriceGrabber rebate for the Elite, so I'll count that here!
So, I look at the Elite as definitely worth the extra $80, give or take a few bucks...
As for the new PS3:
1) 20GB more space: worth, what, [highlight]$20[/highlight] at the MOST (and that's pricing it higher per GB than for the Elite)
2) Motorstorm: sorry, worth no more than $20 to me given CAG and it's inevitable price drop. OK, I'll be generous and say [highlight]$30[/highlight] since that seems to be the likely "greatest hits" pricing. Personally I would wait for a drop to $30 or $20 and then pick it up on a price match at Gamecrazy for $20 (from a Target sale or something) and use trade-in credit that makes it only cost half that.
3) Removal of EE: Unlike the unknowns for the 360, this potential item will detract from the value. I'll leave it at $0 for now. This actually doesn't bother me a ton since I have a
ing PS2 and I don't get all the hype over upscaling (unless you are re-rendering which would have to be done via software I'd think, how can you get more detail out of what was a 480i game?)
So, this new SKU is worth a whopping $50 more, at MOST. I admit, if they brought this out at $550 I'd seriously consider it. Even then, though, I'd be hesitant because I think the 80GB units will replace the 60GB down the line - then you are paying $50 just for Motorstorm again.
I don't see how the Elite is nearly as bad as this
. I bought an Elite (not having a 360 before and looking at Elite vs Premium it seemed obvious to me to pick the Elite). In this case, it seems obvious to me to pick the old $499 SKU. MAYBE if they had given this a 160GB HD it might just start being worth it - that's the same HD upgrade the Elite has (100GB more) and then you could consider an addtional $20 for Motorstorm. But, as others have said, much to Sony's credit they don't have the proprietary HD, so saying this 20GB bump is worth $40 or $50 (if you consider Motorstorm to be worth $50 or $60) is an insult.They should just replace the 60GB version with this 80GB one (without Motorstorm of course) at the $499 price point - especially if they nix the EE in these new models. Probably this is what will happen in the long run. So now I'm back to waiting it out a bit more (seriously, had they not introduced this I might have gotten a 60GB now - but now I'd rather wait to see what they change up for this Fall).
Just to break it down a bit, for $80 the Elite gives you:
1) 100 GB more HD space
2) HDMI output
3) an HDMI cable
4) Potentially more reliable system
5) From what I've heard the system noise is less (disc noise is not though!)
6) Black (ie, a DIFFERENT color than the old model)
The new PS3 model for $100 extra gives you:
1) 20 GB more HD space
2) A game that while currently at MSRP of $60 is not going to be that way for long
3) A likely LOSS of a key component (Emotion Engine)
Breaking down the 2, I look at the Elite's "worth" like this:
1) 100GB more space, easily worth [highlight]$50[/highlight] ($80 if you compare the inflated MS's pricing on the two HD's).
2) The HDMI output: value varies, but I plan on getting an HDMI receiver and this will be nice for that (along with the PS3 eventually). I dunno, say this is worth [highlight]$10[/highlight] even just for the convenience??
3) HDMI cable: not sure where all the lowball pricing for these comes from. I went to Fry's and for a long while I could only find $60-$100 ones. Then, in a dark, dank corner I found some $19.99 ones. So I'll be generous to the haters and say it is only worth [highlight]$10[/highlight] - it's still something and when I get that HDMI receiver I can use the pack-in cable that came with my Elite (otherwise at 6 feet it is kind of useless as it would be too short to hook up all the way to the TV).
4 and 5) Unknown and hard to put a price on, but nice potential bonuses.
6) Black system: worth [highlight]$5[/highlight] to be different
. Hey, there's a $5 PriceGrabber rebate for the Elite, so I'll count that here!So, I look at the Elite as definitely worth the extra $80, give or take a few bucks...
As for the new PS3:
1) 20GB more space: worth, what, [highlight]$20[/highlight] at the MOST (and that's pricing it higher per GB than for the Elite)
2) Motorstorm: sorry, worth no more than $20 to me given CAG and it's inevitable price drop. OK, I'll be generous and say [highlight]$30[/highlight] since that seems to be the likely "greatest hits" pricing. Personally I would wait for a drop to $30 or $20 and then pick it up on a price match at Gamecrazy for $20 (from a Target sale or something) and use trade-in credit that makes it only cost half that
.3) Removal of EE: Unlike the unknowns for the 360, this potential item will detract from the value. I'll leave it at $0 for now. This actually doesn't bother me a ton since I have a
ing PS2 and I don't get all the hype over upscaling (unless you are re-rendering which would have to be done via software I'd think, how can you get more detail out of what was a 480i game?)So, this new SKU is worth a whopping $50 more, at MOST. I admit, if they brought this out at $550 I'd seriously consider it. Even then, though, I'd be hesitant because I think the 80GB units will replace the 60GB down the line - then you are paying $50 just for Motorstorm again
.once again the $499 model is the better deal . Though this time it's much more apparent.
remember folks, HD is easily swapped unlike the one on the 360. This forum does seem to be lighting up with this buzz though.
I'm suprised they actually put the price down to $499 and that's quite impressive. I knew they were going to move the 80GB into to succeed the 599 price after they announced it in korea, but I originally speculated they would drop the 60gb down to $449.
. Though this time it's much more apparent.remember folks, HD is easily swapped unlike the one on the 360. This forum does seem to be lighting up with this buzz though.
I'm suprised they actually put the price down to $499 and that's quite impressive. I knew they were going to move the 80GB into to succeed the 599 price after they announced it in korea, but I originally speculated they would drop the 60gb down to $449.
Well, the 360 is for certain getting a hardware revision with the 65nm process. That would save them money from having to upgrade the heat sinks in the long run.
As fot a PS3 revision, don't count on it any time soon, maybe next summer. They still need time for the manufacturing costs on the PS3 to go down for the parts they have now, let alone new parts.
As fot a PS3 revision, don't count on it any time soon, maybe next summer. They still need time for the manufacturing costs on the PS3 to go down for the parts they have now, let alone new parts.
[quote name='Vanigan']Well, the 360 is for certain getting a hardware revision with the 65nm process. That would save them money from having to upgrade the heat sinks in the long run.
As fot a PS3 revision, don't count on it any time soon, maybe next summer. They still need time for the manufacturing costs on the PS3 to go down for the parts they have now, let alone new parts.[/QUOTE]
Exactly - and don't forget that 65nm chips are simply a cost-saving measure (and not just on the heat sink issue but on the chips themselves) for the companies. They most likely aren't going to introduce those as new models or with any fanfare - they will probably quietly start mixing them in with the old ones and for a while it will be hard to tell which one you are getting until someone figures out serial number/lot number info.
In the case of the 360 they MAY increase reliability due to the lower temps generated, but that remains to be seen.
As fot a PS3 revision, don't count on it any time soon, maybe next summer. They still need time for the manufacturing costs on the PS3 to go down for the parts they have now, let alone new parts.[/QUOTE]
Exactly - and don't forget that 65nm chips are simply a cost-saving measure (and not just on the heat sink issue but on the chips themselves) for the companies. They most likely aren't going to introduce those as new models or with any fanfare - they will probably quietly start mixing them in with the old ones and for a while it will be hard to tell which one you are getting until someone figures out serial number/lot number info.
In the case of the 360 they MAY increase reliability due to the lower temps generated, but that remains to be seen.
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Smart move dropping the 60gb to 499.99, but don't see how this effects anyone who wnated to buy it for 500$, stupid to introduce the new sku, but w/e. And the reason they don't bundle Resistance is because they can actually sell that game. ;-)
Not sure if this was linked before, but it looks like no EE for the 80gig
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/802/802291p1.html
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/802/802291p1.html
The old specs don't mention the emotion engine either:
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications
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I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.
Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?
I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?
This move is really a mystery to me.
Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?
I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?
This move is really a mystery to me.
[quote name='CheapyD']I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.
Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?
I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?
This move is really a mystery to me.[/QUOTE]
Exactly - they just negated the price drop move because now the public perception will go back to the PS3 costing $600 (since it always seems the most expensive SKU is the one quoted). Though it seems MS has avoided this with the Elite, so maybe they'll be OK (I think most people still consider the 360 a $400 machine). I just can't see how this new bundle can HELP them. It may not HURT them too much, but it can't be a positive.
They should have just replaced the 60GB with the 80GB, kept the price the same, and quietly dropped the EE (which would be more palatable with the slight HD increase and lower price). I still think this is what they are planning to do. Perhaps this bundle is just to bridge the gap between selling out the existing 60GB stock and switching over to 80GB models as the normal SKU. In other words, if they said a new 80GB model was coming in August at $500, no one would buy the 60GB model in the mean time (except for a few savvy consumers who know about the potential EE change). Now they put this bundle out there (and I'm sure they will sell a few and we know these are more profitable than $500 60GB systems) while the supply of 60GBs gets sold. When those run low they bring out a non-bundled 80GB at $500.
Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?
I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?
This move is really a mystery to me.[/QUOTE]
Exactly - they just negated the price drop move because now the public perception will go back to the PS3 costing $600 (since it always seems the most expensive SKU is the one quoted). Though it seems MS has avoided this with the Elite, so maybe they'll be OK (I think most people still consider the 360 a $400 machine). I just can't see how this new bundle can HELP them. It may not HURT them too much, but it can't be a positive.
They should have just replaced the 60GB with the 80GB, kept the price the same, and quietly dropped the EE (which would be more palatable with the slight HD increase and lower price). I still think this is what they are planning to do. Perhaps this bundle is just to bridge the gap between selling out the existing 60GB stock and switching over to 80GB models as the normal SKU. In other words, if they said a new 80GB model was coming in August at $500, no one would buy the 60GB model in the mean time (except for a few savvy consumers who know about the potential EE change). Now they put this bundle out there (and I'm sure they will sell a few and we know these are more profitable than $500 60GB systems) while the supply of 60GBs gets sold. When those run low they bring out a non-bundled 80GB at $500.
Seriously... if someone is gonna spend a gang of money on a gaming system, they're gonna wanna get the best one available... so now the ppl that didn't hesitate to buy the 60GB when the $100 cut was leaked a few days ago are gonna have second thoughts...
Sony... tsk tsk...
Sony... tsk tsk...
Everybody should really think about the situation before they dismiss Sony's new bundle as a mistake, I don't believe Sony is in the wrong here. Before, it was obvious to go for the 60GB, as the 20GB wasn't upgradable, only the hard drive (which is why the $600 model was always quoted, because it wasn't crippled). Now All PS3's on the market are created equal, and there is no reason not to go for the cheaper model, like there was before.
And before you send the memo to Sony that 20GB of space isn't worth an extra $100, remember that MS was suggesting that price for aing 20GB hard drive, and most places still charge that. Atleast Sony justifies the hard drive rape here with a free game.
Atleast the box looks pretty sweet.
And before you send the memo to Sony that 20GB of space isn't worth an extra $100, remember that MS was suggesting that price for a
ing 20GB hard drive, and most places still charge that. Atleast Sony justifies the hard drive rape here with a free game.Atleast the box looks pretty sweet.
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I'm confused about this "Limited Edition" model here. I'm sure that model will sell out in the short term. But when the regular 80gb models come in, won't it be bad since people will feel they're losing out on a bundle?
I think the $500 model will sell quite a few consoles this month and maybe next. I think what you'll see here is EXACTLY what you'll see with the 20/60gb models last year. They'll introduce new SKU's to keep the price up. However, I think the 60gb model will stay around at least for another year until they introduce a 3rd SKU (ala Microsoft).
However, I'm just not sure they're making the right move with introducing a new SKU now. Maybe it should come in September to steal some of Halo's buzz (which would've been ideal), but a month ahead of Halo 3 is a big mistake.
People are saying this will double PS3's sales. But that ain't saying much.
I think the $500 model will sell quite a few consoles this month and maybe next. I think what you'll see here is EXACTLY what you'll see with the 20/60gb models last year. They'll introduce new SKU's to keep the price up. However, I think the 60gb model will stay around at least for another year until they introduce a 3rd SKU (ala Microsoft).
However, I'm just not sure they're making the right move with introducing a new SKU now. Maybe it should come in September to steal some of Halo's buzz (which would've been ideal), but a month ahead of Halo 3 is a big mistake.
People are saying this will double PS3's sales. But that ain't saying much.
The 20GB model was upgradable. You could add a USB memory card reader and USB wi-fi adapter.
I don't think it really matters that the 20GB 360 HD costs $100 or that 20GB of space + Motorstorm is or is not worth $100.
For the potential PS3 customer, they still see a $500 PS3 and a $600 PS3. Two expensive boxes that might cause confusion/second thoughts during a shopping trip.
This leaves the door wide open for Microsoft to have a $400 Elite (prob not Black, to avoid pissing off early adopters) with double the HD space as the $500 PS3 and $200 cheaper price tag than the $600 PS3.
I don't think it really matters that the 20GB 360 HD costs $100 or that 20GB of space + Motorstorm is or is not worth $100.
For the potential PS3 customer, they still see a $500 PS3 and a $600 PS3. Two expensive boxes that might cause confusion/second thoughts during a shopping trip.
This leaves the door wide open for Microsoft to have a $400 Elite (prob not Black, to avoid pissing off early adopters) with double the HD space as the $500 PS3 and $200 cheaper price tag than the $600 PS3.
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Perhaps Sony is overestimating the brainpower of average consumers? I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but I believe people are smart enough to notice that the $600 SKU is more of a bonus as the $500 SKU is the primary. In theory, it's just like the Xbox 360 Premium, compared to the Xbox 360 Elite.
Sony also made the box art of the $600 SKU very, very, VERY clear indicating the bundled Motorstorm game, as well as an additional 80GB. It's very hard to miss. But then again, maybe I am just being a bit ignorant... of how ignorant average consumers could really be? Either way, time will tell.
Sony also made the box art of the $600 SKU very, very, VERY clear indicating the bundled Motorstorm game, as well as an additional 80GB. It's very hard to miss. But then again, maybe I am just being a bit ignorant... of how ignorant average consumers could really be? Either way, time will tell.
[quote name='CheapyD']I don't understand Sony's strategy here. They just dropped the price of the top of the line model to a slightly less scary $500. Why confuse customers with another $600 SKU? Prospective customers might feel they are getting a lesser system for $500, when the reality is, they are only short 20GB and Motorstorm. Perhaps this confusion will delay or negate a PS3 system purchase.
Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?
I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?
This move is really a mystery to me.[/QUOTE]
The 600 SKU doesn't look so bad, because it's basically like a gamestop bundle and hopefully people will look at it that way. Would have been better if the 600 dollar bundle was 549.99... at least make it come at a price drop. Sony is going to stick with the 499 / 599 pricing because they don't feel that it's the 'wrong price.' They may be right about it... If apple can move iphones [by the millions] at a 499/599 prices then why can't sony move their 'just as savvy, well designed, technologically advanced PS3.... difference between the iphone and ps3 is that, the iphone is regarded as a 'must have' device, whereas the ps3 is regarded as a gaming system that 'might be better slightly, than the cheaper xbox 360.' Sony can justify the 499/599 pricing, if they have a good E3 and can convince consumers that the PS3 is a 'must have' product. 5 free blu ray movies isn't bad either... but its barely being advertised by sony... oh well.. maybe they'll mention that in next weeks ads.
Also, why even bother moving from 60GB to 80GB? I don't think they should have released a new SKU, but if you are going through the trouble, doesn't it make sense to go bigger?
I can't understand why Sony wants to hold onto that $600 price tag when it has generated such negative press and customer reactions? If they wanted to introduce a bigger HD, why not just stick with one $500 SKU and release an add-on HD as an accessory?
This move is really a mystery to me.[/QUOTE]
The 600 SKU doesn't look so bad, because it's basically like a gamestop bundle and hopefully people will look at it that way. Would have been better if the 600 dollar bundle was 549.99... at least make it come at a price drop. Sony is going to stick with the 499 / 599 pricing because they don't feel that it's the 'wrong price.' They may be right about it... If apple can move iphones [by the millions] at a 499/599 prices then why can't sony move their 'just as savvy, well designed, technologically advanced PS3.... difference between the iphone and ps3 is that, the iphone is regarded as a 'must have' device, whereas the ps3 is regarded as a gaming system that 'might be better slightly, than the cheaper xbox 360.' Sony can justify the 499/599 pricing, if they have a good E3 and can convince consumers that the PS3 is a 'must have' product. 5 free blu ray movies isn't bad either... but its barely being advertised by sony... oh well.. maybe they'll mention that in next weeks ads.
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Well, I've cooled down a little now. Sony said this is only a limited edition bundle, kind of like the PSP Entertainment pack last Holiday season. It was never their main SKU, just kind of around for a short time. What many see Sony doing is, right now, an 80GB will be bundled with MotorStorm. A little later this year, MotorStorm may be dropped, and the 80GB SKU becomes the main PS3 model at $499.99.
Here's a blog entry on it:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comments
If you have complains, tell them.
Although I flat out said, I wish SCEA just priced the limited edition MotorStorm pack at $549.99, because it's $10 cheaper than the game, and you get a larger HDD (those who want MotorStorm would probably go for it). Or else, if they wanted to keep the price, at least bundle it with a bluetooth headset and HDMI cable (IMO, that would have been a deal, although expensive).
I still
Here's a blog entry on it:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comments
If you have complains, tell them.
Although I flat out said, I wish SCEA just priced the limited edition MotorStorm pack at $549.99, because it's $10 cheaper than the game, and you get a larger HDD (those who want MotorStorm would probably go for it). Or else, if they wanted to keep the price, at least bundle it with a bluetooth headset and HDMI cable (IMO, that would have been a deal, although expensive).
I still
This is the same BS Sony did with the PSP. They created new more expensive models even though the price was the main thing holding the system back. Sony should have just stuck with the 60GB and 20GB models and dropped the price of both by $100. A $400 20GB PS3 sounds a lot more attractive then a $600 80GB PS3.
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Well, I've cooled down a little now. Sony said this is only a limited edition bundle, kind of like the PSP Entertainment pack last Holiday season. It was never their main SKU, just kind of around for a short time. What many see Sony doing is, right now, an 80GB will be bundled with MotorStorm. A little later this year, MotorStorm may be dropped, and the 80GB SKU becomes the main PS3 model at $499.99.
[/quote]Supposedly their goal is to sell the rest of their 60GB inventory at $499.99, then remove Motorstorm or do something else with the 80GB and drop it down to $499.99.
I guess the positive there is that if you want the EE, every 60GB should have it since I doubt they'll reengineer them right before stopping production. Guess I have a couple months to figure out how I feel about my actual cost when factoring in selling my PS2, upconverting DVD player, and free Blu-Rays.
[/quote]Supposedly their goal is to sell the rest of their 60GB inventory at $499.99, then remove Motorstorm or do something else with the 80GB and drop it down to $499.99.
I guess the positive there is that if you want the EE, every 60GB should have it since I doubt they'll reengineer them right before stopping production. Guess I have a couple months to figure out how I feel about my actual cost when factoring in selling my PS2, upconverting DVD player, and free Blu-Rays.
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Well, I've cooled down a little now. Sony said this is only a limited edition bundle, kind of like the PSP Entertainment pack last Holiday season. It was never their main SKU, just kind of around for a short time. What many see Sony doing is, right now, an 80GB will be bundled with MotorStorm. A little later this year, MotorStorm may be dropped, and the 80GB SKU becomes the main PS3 model at $499.99.
Here's a blog entry on it:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comments
If you have complains, tell them.
Although I flat out said, I wish SCEA just priced the limited edition MotorStorm pack at $549.99, because it's $10 cheaper than the game, and you get a larger HDD (those who want MotorStorm would probably go for it). Or else, if they wanted to keep the price, at least bundle it with a bluetooth headset and HDMI cable (IMO, that would have been a deal, although expensive).
I still
Here's a blog entry on it:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/#comments
If you have complains, tell them.
Although I flat out said, I wish SCEA just priced the limited edition MotorStorm pack at $549.99, because it's $10 cheaper than the game, and you get a larger HDD (those who want MotorStorm would probably go for it). Or else, if they wanted to keep the price, at least bundle it with a bluetooth headset and HDMI cable (IMO, that would have been a deal, although expensive).
I still
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[quote name='Thomas96']Motorstorm needs to be two players, that way Sony could have justified the addition of a second controller and thus making the game bundle even better for 600. At least w/ two controllers, the package looks 'complete'[/QUOTE]From what the developers said themselves, making MotorStorm two player's instant technically possible, since there was something they did while making the game which would make two player split-screen near impossible to do. They just said look to future sequel for that. Everything else they can add (like Time Attack was added, Quick Race may be next). I dunno, I hope this changes, but we'll see.
[quote name='seanr1221']What's Sony's commitment like towards BC updates? A Microsoft approach, or are they consistently updating?[/QUOTE]Every firmware upgrade we have, has BC updates.
[quote name='seanr1221']What's Sony's commitment like towards BC updates? A Microsoft approach, or are they consistently updating?[/QUOTE]Every firmware upgrade we have, has BC updates.
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Wow that's a pretty lame bundle offered by Sony. The extra 20GB of storage space and Motorstorm is an average deal at best. Expecially considering that fact that the HD can be upgraded fairly easily down the road if needed.
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