Proposition 8 same sex marriage ban poll

[quote name='BigT']Newsom is just ultra-annoying... At least Tony "pothole king" Villar in LA is so ridiculously incompetent that he's humorous; Newsom is like Villar, just much more annoying and less entertaining... I pledge to always vote against whatever Newsom supports

Listen to John and Ken on KFI 640 for humorous takes on these and other politicians... http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/


Others agree about Newsom's annoyingness:
http://www.rightwingnews.com/special/worst3.php[/quote]

Even though I don't live in CA, just because you find him annoying thats why you vote against anything hes for. Seriously fuck YOU. So you want to trample MY rights. fuck you. Get the hell off that high perch. I honestly would love to piss on your grave. How would you like it if I voted against you being able to practice medicine because I find something/someone annoying? You wouldn't.
 
If you hate gays you should be for this. After all, now gay's can be almost as miserable as straights(neither can technically have children between each other. ;-) ).
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Even though I don't live in CA, just because you find him annoying thats why you vote against anything hes for. Seriously fuck YOU. So you want to trample MY rights. fuck you. Get the hell off that high perch. I honestly would love to piss on your grave. How would you like it if I voted against you being able to practice medicine because I find something/someone annoying? You wouldn't.[/quote]

That's the thing. BigT lives in Southern California and Newsom is the mayor of San Fran. He can't vote for him at all and, ultimately, isn't really affected by any of his policies.
 
I swear, if Prop 8 passes and starts a domino effect elsewhere, I'll start organizing things to have it where blacks can't marry, repeal laws that allow interracial marriages, and the like. You want to take away MY rights, then I want to take away THEIR rights as well...
 
Hey, don't start that shit. Just because you can't have something, doesn't mean you have to take away my rights. We fought hard for that shit. Don't think the white establishment is just going to give you rights without a fight. Fight for the cause you believe in or you'll just be a phony.
 
I wasn't refering to just African Americans...just a little pissed at the moment. As for the word "THEIR", I should have also clarified as in other minorities that have current rights
 
[quote name='depascal22']Hey, don't start that shit. Just because you can't have something, doesn't mean you have to take away my rights. We fought hard for that shit. Don't think the white establishment is just going to give you rights without a fight. Fight for the cause you believe in or you'll just be a phony.[/QUOTE]

Actually it might not be a half bad idea. Maybe blacks would rethink their hatred for the gay community if Christians went back to the good ole days of trying to deny them marriage too.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I swear, if Prop 8 passes and starts a domino effect elsewhere, I'll start organizing things to have it where blacks can't marry, repeal laws that allow interracial marriages, and the like. You want to take away MY rights, then I want to take away THEIR rights as well...[/quote]

Not cool, man. I feel you on Prop 8, but as a mixed (white, portuguese, and black) lesbian, I have to say you're barking up the wrong tree with your anger. If it weren't for interracial marriage, I wouldn't be here, and it's ridiculous think repealing hard-fought civil rights for other groups would make you feel better.

I'm just going to assume you were irrationally angry when you posted that, because I was with you up until that point. That burst was uncalled for and makes you sound like a selfish asshole. Minorities are not the ones running government.
 
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[quote name='HumanSnatcher']And by the way depascal, gays HAVE been fighting for rights since the 60s...[/quote]
And we been fighting for our rights long before that. I understand where you are coming from but DO NOT start with the racist shit. I know you are pissed but a clear mind beats a clouded mind everyday.
 
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[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I wasn't refering to just African Americans...just a little pissed at the moment. As for the word "THEIR", I should have also clarified as in other minorities that have current rights[/QUOTE]

Wow way to be be reactionary.

Maybe BigT isn't really against gays so much as he despises people that can't reproduce? ;)

I am not sure we need reactionary, emotionally out-of-control, dangerous thinkers like you around anyway. Lucky for us you've chosen to give your gene pool a dead end.

Why don't you and people that think like you just go create your own little Island Nation where only gay people can be citizens and you can discriminate against everyone else to your heart's content? You can have your own little pink flag, every other occupation will be interior decorator, and you can make breeders feel as unwelcome as you want. Of course you will have to tackle the little problem of having your population almost gone in 60 years or so.
 
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[quote name='Sc4rfac3']And we been fighting for our rights long before that. I understand where you are coming from but DO NOT start with the racist shit. I know you are pissed but a clear mind beats a clouded mind everyday.[/quote]

Don't even start on the "we've been fighting longer" bullshit. For starters, there are other groups all around the world that have been fighting for their rights longer than ANY group in this country ever has.

Which this brings about a good point. You're getting riled up about having rights taken away and such...how the hell do you think gays feel about being treated as sub par because of what goes on in the bedroom? In all honestly, I have a huge ass problem with any group within a much larger group that thinks that THEY are superior than another larger group (IE, the KKK/skinhead/neonazi thinking they are better than all other ethnic groups (in fact I have a personal massive hatred of those piss ants and not just because of the "gay factor"), or radical Muslims thinking they are better than their non radical/peaceful brethren and the like)
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Don't even start on the "we've been fighting longer" bullshit. For starters, there are other groups all around the world that have been fighting for their rights longer than ANY group in this country ever has.

Which this brings about a good point. You're getting riled up about having rights taken away and such...how the hell do you think gays feel about being treated as sub par because of what goes on in the bedroom? In all honestly, I have a huge ass problem with any group within a much larger group that thinks that THEY are superior than another larger group (IE, the KKK/skinhead/neonazi thinking they are better than all other ethnic groups (in fact I have a personal massive hatred of those piss ants and not just because of the "gay factor"), or radical Muslims thinking they are better than their non radical/peaceful brethren and the like)[/quote]

So your solution to getting riled up because gays haven't achieved the rights we all would like to see is to take away rights from everyone else? That's the epitome of closed-minded, selfish, me-first politics that plague this country. No one cares about anything unless it directly pertains to themselves.

You're seriously kidding yourself if you think the long, arduous, still going on battle that black people in America have been having for *centuries* is equal to that of the gay rights movement happening right now. It's not. The battle for gay rights is in its infancy in comparison. Not because there weren't any gays, but because there was no movement - being out wasn't really an option. Unlike you, I take heart in knowing the strides black people (my family on my father's side) have made with regards to civil rights and look to it as a harbinger of what can come.
 
You made a point, i made a point. I'm against the ban i want you to have all the rights that every human has, but when you start saying dumb shit because you feel unfairly treated your argument is lost. You stated because you can't have the right to marry then no minority or "they" shouldnt have rights either. That makes you no better then all of the bigots that wanna take your rights away. Fight for your rights but understand there are many of people before you that had to fight for their rights also.
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Don't even start on the "we've been fighting longer" bullshit. For starters, there are other groups all around the world that have been fighting for their rights longer than ANY group in this country ever has.

Which this brings about a good point. You're getting riled up about having rights taken away and such...how the hell do you think gays feel about being treated as sub par because of what goes on in the bedroom? In all honestly, I have a huge ass problem with any group within a much larger group that thinks that THEY are superior than another larger group (IE, the KKK/skinhead/neonazi thinking they are better than all other ethnic groups (in fact I have a personal massive hatred of those piss ants and not just because of the "gay factor"), or radical Muslims thinking they are better than their non radical/peaceful brethren and the like)[/quote]
 
Another thing I've been meaning to mention:

A lot of people here love to compare gay marriage acceptance with interracial marriage acceptance, especially where religions are concerned.

I take issue with that. I don't know of any main-stream or major religion that ever considered interracial marriage a moral sin. Not anywhere close to the extent of their views on homosexuality. I can't find evidence of any religion considering interracial marriage a sin, major or minor. Some just advised against it for cultural differences decreasing the success rate of the marriage (some still do, but it's not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing).

This is further evidence that the government shouldn't involve itself in marriages. Religions (and other groups) are vehemently against homosexuality. If they openly teach and talk about gay marriage being wrong if Prop 8 fails, couldn't they be sued for discrimination? All because the state is involved in definitions? In other words - one group's "gain" is another group's legal cluster fuck.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Another thing I've been meaning to mention:

A lot of people here love to compare gay marriage acceptance with interracial marriage acceptance, especially where religions are concerned.

I take issue with that. I don't know of any main-stream or major religion that ever considered interracial marriage a moral sin. Not anywhere close to the extent of their views on homosexuality. I can't find evidence of any religion considering interracial marriage a sin, major or minor. Some just advised against it for cultural differences decreasing the success rate of the marriage (some still do, but it's not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing).

This is further evidence that the government shouldn't involve itself in marriages. Religions (and other groups) are vehemently against homosexuality. If they openly teach and talk about gay marriage being wrong if Prop 8 fails, couldn't they be sued for discrimination? All because the state is involved in definitions?[/quote]
Mormons took issue with it for a while. They dont any more. I'm not nit-picking you i'm just saying
 
Synergy god bless your parents. I'm betting you're hot as all get out. I mean you're likely to get an unattractive Lesbian who's White, but mixed or a minority? Low chance of that.
Oh and Snatcher I know you're angry but jeez man. You do realize Mrs.Loving has had gay's peoples backs right? It was their court case, her and her husbands, that paved the way for legalizing Interracial Marriage across the country. She realized or had already known having Gay Marriage illegal was as bogus as Interracial Marriage being illegal and has been a staunch supporter of it. Unfortunately she recently passed. I would love to visit the Lovings town they grew up in as I suspect it would be a great place to raise kids if I ever have them. I mean their town, or most of the people in it, didn't give a shit that they loved each other.
edit: Thrust I can appreciate if someone thinks a relationship is in lust and are a Christian. However if they see even one hint of love in those eyes, of the people between each other, and still say they're sinning they're a hatemonger. I mean if you're a true Christian can you really think Jesus would hate on love?
Oh and if it's because you're Jewish and have your feeling I have my own. If God really believes absolutely, positively any Gay love is a sin and your God is the only God. Well then no thanks. I don't want to know such an asshole who claims to be perfect and knows what's best for us and can be so judgemental on such a stupid thing.
 
Why don't we just give this country back to the Native Americans then? And don't even make the assumption that you know that I don't take heart in ANY group that makes strides toward civil unity. Civil rights are not just for one specific group of people.
 
[quote name='Synergy']So your solution to getting riled up because gays haven't achieved the rights we all would like to see is to take away rights from everyone else? That's the epitome of closed-minded, selfish, me-first politics that plague this country. No one cares about anything unless it directly pertains to themselves.

You're seriously kidding yourself if you think the long, arduous, still going on battle that black people in America have been having for *centuries* is equal to that of the gay rights movement happening right now. It's not. The battle for gay rights is in its infancy in comparison. Not because there weren't any gays, but because there was no movement - being out wasn't really an option. Unlike you, I take heart in knowing the strides black people (my family on my father's side) have made with regards to civil rights and look to it as a harbinger of what can come.[/quote]
i wish i saw this post before i responded. Awesome post!
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I swear, if Prop 8 passes and starts a domino effect elsewhere, I'll start organizing things to have it where blacks can't marry, repeal laws that allow interracial marriages, and the like. You want to take away MY rights, then I want to take away THEIR rights as well...[/quote]

I honestly can't believe you're actually going to defend this statement. Take away the reference to Prop 8 and you sound like any other oppressive hateful type.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Why don't we just give this country back to the Native Americans then? And don't even make the assumption that you know that I don't take heart in ANY group that makes strides toward civil unity. Civil rights are not just for one specific group of people.[/quote]
You missed the whole point of synergy's post. you know what fuck it i dont think you will understand what we are saying anyway.
 
Yeah like Gay's ever advocated Genocide. rolls eyes.

We should make it all Civil Unions in the governmental sense. I'd fucking jizz almost if that happened for everyone since it would let our government finally have a legit separated Church and State.
edit: Did anyone hear how Ellen hasn't spent money for shit on defeating Prop.8? WTF?! X-(
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']Mormons took issue with it for a while. They dont any more. I'm not nit-picking you i'm just saying[/quote]

Actually, they still do. They just aren't as vocal. One of my best friends, whos stuck living in UT right now will attest to it. If you're not white, male, and Mormon (yes, they exclude all other forms of Christianity) there, you might as well not exist if you can't pop out 10+ children.
 
[quote name='Synergy']I honestly can't believe you're actually going to defend this statement. Take away the reference to Prop 8 and you sound like any other oppressive hateful type.[/quote]

Actually, take away Prop 8 and this thread wouldn't even be here in the first place.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What she does with her money is her business, whether you or I like it or not.[/QUOTE]

You're right but she sure seemed to take advantage of it to get married to Portia. If Prop 8 passes are we sure the marriage rights of those who married before are still valid? I mean going into the hospital, 50% when said person dies, etc.
I can only imagine how many gay's in the closet aren't supporting this. I'm sure there are a decent amount with money in Hollywood. If you donate above a certain amount I gather your donation isn't anonymous?
Oh and as for the Mormon's don't they believe a woman has to move a planet after she dies or for a while afterwards?
 
Let me take Snatch's side for a minute here, and devil's advocate y'all:

The point he's trying to make is that, if you couple taking away of rights for other groups with the presentation of something like Prop 8, then voters will begin to understand that the will of the majority shouldn't include the ability to oppress minorities. They may be against gay marriage, but viewed in the light of civil rights, generally speaking, they should have no dominion over that any more than they should have the ability to vote a slavery system back into power.

At least, that's how I read it. I think it'd be more effective if you lobbied your representatives to outlaw all forms of divorce, and make that bill retroactive to the past 100 years. :lol:

EDIT: Sarang, your posts all day today suggest you're off your ritalin again.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']You're right but she sure seemed to take advantage of it to get married to Portia. If Prop 8 passes are we sure the marriage rights of those who married before are still valid? I mean going into the hospital, 50% when said person dies, etc.
I can only imagine how many gay's in the closet aren't supporting this. I'm sure there are a decent amount with money in Hollywood. If you donate above a certain amount I gather your donation isn't anonymous?
Oh and as for the Mormon's don't they believe a woman has to move a planet after she dies or for a while afterwards?[/quote]

On the plus side shes done other things in the past though.

If I knew the answer to that Sarang, I'd post. Can ask my friend when he comes online if you like.
 
rolls eyes.

I can't fucking indent the paragraphs and I think spacing for it should not be necessary should the old Grammar rules apply Myke. Or do you know some way I can indent it and it'll show up that way here?

edit: I'd appreciate that Snatch. I wouldn't be surprised as I suspect the Mormon's or at least their founder was a fucking pig or a Mysogynist. You see this in the Polygamy aspect that was originally present in it. After all, it was always multiple women. What man do you know of that would want to share his wife?
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Actually, take away Prop 8 and this thread wouldn't even be here in the first place.[/quote]

All right, well, you're ignoring any and all of the points I brought up which make your argument seem like a childish tantrum. I thought it was a rash post, which doesn't excuse it at all (I'm a believer in the truth coming out of people when they are the least guarded), but would make it less offensive. I see you haven't made that distinction.

Thankfully there are people out there who care about civil rights for everyone, even if they're not members of those specific marginalized groups. Hopefully eventually people will realize how idiotic it is to deny certain members of society basic rights based on their personal lives.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Let me take Snatch's side for a minute here, and devil's advocate y'all:

The point he's trying to make is that, if you couple taking away of rights for other groups with the presentation of something like Prop 8, then voters will begin to understand that the will of the majority shouldn't include the ability to oppress minorities. They may be against gay marriage, but viewed in the light of civil rights, generally speaking, they should have no dominion over that any more than they should have the ability to vote a slavery system back into power.

At least, that's how I read it. I think it'd be more effective if you lobbied your representatives to outlaw all forms of divorce, and make that bill retroactive to the past 100 years. :lol:

EDIT: Sarang, your posts all day today suggest you're off your ritalin again.[/quote]

You read it right. I wish I had the same way with words as you do. Or I wouldn't have come off as I have. And I do realize that I chose my words very poorly. I tried arguing out other groups of which gays and blacks are and are not a part of, but no one would have any of that rationale. They wanted to focus solely of the "black aspect" of what I said. Similar in the way that groups against gay marriage focus solely on the "gay aspect"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Let me take Snatch's side for a minute here, and devil's advocate y'all:

The point he's trying to make is that, if you couple taking away of rights for other groups with the presentation of something like Prop 8, then voters will begin to understand that the will of the majority shouldn't include the ability to oppress minorities. They may be against gay marriage, but viewed in the light of civil rights, generally speaking, they should have no dominion over that any more than they should have the ability to vote a slavery system back into power.

At least, that's how I read it. I think it'd be more effective if you lobbied your representatives to outlaw all forms of divorce, and make that bill retroactive to the past 100 years. :lol:

EDIT: Sarang, your posts all day today suggest you're off your ritalin again.[/quote]

myke, I'd be inclined to take that point as such, if it weren't for the non-hypothetical nature of his post. I would still disagree strongly, of course, but that post was not a treatise on the parallels between rights for other minorities and rights for gays, it was a "well, if we can't have rights, they can't either!!!" tantrum.
 
Frankly I wish Gays and Blacks had a team up organization. I mean I know "Rainbow Push" sounds like a euphemism for Gay sex but it isn't. I'm surprised no one has teased Jesse Jackson on that. Anyway, a Gay and Black organization would be like AARP. In other words, a fucking freight train that, for the most part you couldn't stop for shit.
 
[quote name='Synergy']All right, well, you're ignoring any and all of the points I brought up which make your argument seem like a childish tantrum. I thought it was a rash post, which doesn't excuse it at all (I'm a believer in the truth coming out of people when they are the least guarded), but would make it less offensive. I see you haven't made that distinction.

Thankfully there are people out there who care about civil rights for everyone, even if they're not members of those specific marginalized groups. Hopefully eventually people will realize how idiotic it is to deny certain members of society basic rights based on their personal lives.[/quote]

Screw you for thinking that *I* don't care about the rights of everyone else.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Screw you for thinking that *I* don't care about the rights of everyone else.[/quote]

They're your words, not mine. Which you haven't refuted.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Frankly I wish Gays and Blacks had a team up organization. I mean I know "Rainbow Push" sounds like a euphemism for Gay sex but it isn't. I'm surprised no one has teased Jesse Jackson on that. Anyway, a Gay and Black organization would be like AARP. In other words, a fucking freight train that, for the most part you couldn't stop for shit.[/quote]

Unfortunately, there are less openly gay black people than white. They're stuck with the dreaded double minority.
 
[quote name='Synergy']They're your words, not mine. Which you haven't refuted.[/quote]

And as I said, you're focusing on the "black argument". Evidently you can't read past the color bar there. If you can't read past that argument, then why should I refute anything if you don't care to read and comprehend everything else I say.
 
Human part of it is the rampant Homophobia in that community as compared to the White one but it's gotten better. Acting very overtly masculine in that community has been quite prevalent for a long time. So if you find you're a bitch or a side it's a real issue. Hell it's an issue in the White community as well. It's such a radical shift in the sexual paradigm.
Anyway, couple the mannerisms with the strong Christian beliefs and you have issues. Sadly some are so Conservatively Christian they can't think straight enough to see they're Hypocrites if they deny Gay's marriage.
 
Another thing, I'm actually happy that your parents didn't let any type of stigma or prejudices affect them for being together. Everytime I hear a friend bitch (even in jest) about how they get upset when they see a white girl with a black guy I get pissed and what to gut check them, and one of these friends has been my best friend for over 15 years. At least his fathers racism didn't affect the rest of him. Though when I ask if when they see a white guy with a black girl, they can't say shit...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']And as I said, you're focusing on the "black argument". Evidently you can't read past the color bar there. If you can't read past that argument, then why should I refute anything if you don't care to read and comprehend everything else I say.[/quote]

It wasn't just about black people, that was an example. It was your horrible reasoning. Tell me what you mean by "THEIR" rights, and how taking away civil rights from other minority groups achieves anything for the gay movement? Beyond making you look like a self-concerned jerk. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it, like you were trying to parallel the causes and show the disparity, it was a reactionary, closed-minded post. I'd just like to see you actually try and legitimately defend it. Someone else tried to give you a pass because you were pissed off at the time. Doesn't excuse it, but you're still trying to argue that you had a point with that drivel. So let's hear it.

So how will taking away interracial marriage rights, rights away from blacks, etc. be any kind of solution to the problems?
 
Human I have issues with Black guys dating White girls. Why? I mean seriously when you can date a girl with a nice fat ass with hips and it all going on, would you date a White girl that usually doesn't have ass? JMO.
edit: Personally I wish Asian's would be as assertive as the Gay community. I mean Asian's in the U.S. take way too much shit laying down imo, especially in getting shit for acting roles. This includes too much stereotypical garbage.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Human part of it is the rampant Homophobia in that community as compared to the White one but it's gotten better. Acting very overtly masculine in that community has been quite prevalent for a long time. So if you find you're a bitch or a side it's a real issue. Hell it's an issue in the White community as well. It's such a radical shift in the sexual paradigm.
Anyway, couple the mannerisms with the strong Christian beliefs and you have issues. Sadly some are so Conservatively Christian they can't think straight enough to see they're Hypocrites if they deny Gay's marriage.[/quote]

Yeah, it has gotten better. But I've run across a lot them "on the DL". A friend of mine that is black, who I haven't spoken to in a while (just lost touch) is gay, hes not on the DL, not out and out "out", but is comfortable with who he is
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Another thing, I'm actually happy that your parents didn't let any type of stigma or prejudices affect them for being together. Everytime I hear a friend bitch (even in jest) about how they get upset when they see a white girl with a black guy I get pissed and what to gut check them, and one of these friends has been my best friend for over 15 years. At least his fathers racism didn't affect the rest of him. Though when I ask if when they see a white guy with a black girl, they can't say shit...[/quote]

I'm glad my parents stuck it out, for obvious reasons (glad I'm here!). Needless to say, people were assholes, but that's nothing new.

I'm perfectly thrilled being mixed. But the experience has given me a different look at the gay rights movement, and other civil rights inequalities as well. I honestly think they're similar in a lot of ways, and people should band together across the differences. Then we'll really make a dent.

I'm off to class now, I'll check in later.
 
[quote name='Synergy']It wasn't just about black people, that was an example. It was your horrible reasoning. Tell me what you mean by "THEIR" rights, and how taking away civil rights from other minority groups achieves anything for the gay movement? Beyond making you look like a self-concerned jerk. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it, like you were trying to parallel the causes and show the disparity, it was a reactionary, closed-minded post. I'd just like to see you actually try and legitimately defend it. Someone else tried to give you a pass because you were pissed off at the time. Doesn't excuse it, but you're still trying to argue that you had a point with that drivel. So let's hear it.

So how will taking away interracial marriage rights, rights away from blacks, etc. be any kind of solution to the problems?[/quote]

Did you not read my reply to myke where I admitted that I chose my choice of words poorly from the get go?
 
[quote name='Synergy']I'm glad my parents stuck it out, for obvious reasons (glad I'm here!). Needless to say, people were assholes, but that's nothing new.

I'm perfectly thrilled being mixed. But the experience has given me a different look at the gay rights movement, and other civil rights inequalities as well. I honestly think they're similar in a lot of ways, and people should band together across the differences. Then we'll really make a dent.

I'm off to class now, I'll check in later.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should help start a GBALT organization. Gay, Black, Asian, Latino, Trans organization. I don't add Lesbian because Gay works and Lesbos might have been Bi I read. Also why should Gay women get a cool casual name? Assignment. Gay men need to come up with a term for themselves as good as Lesbian.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Human I have issues with Black guys dating White girls. Why? I mean seriously when you can date a girl with a nice fat ass with hips and it all going on, would you date a White girl that usually doesn't have ass? JMO.
edit: Personally I wish Asian's would be as assertive as the Gay community. I mean Asian's in the U.S. take way too much shit laying down imo, especially in getting shit for acting roles. This includes too much stereotypical garbage.[/quote]

I know it was really brought to the public really that BD Wong was gay. Yeah hes open about it. But it wasn't something that was really published
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Maybe you should help start a GBALT organization. Gay, Black, Asian, Latino, Trans organization. I don't add Lesbian because Gay works and Lesbos might have been Bi I read. Also why should Gay women get a cool casual name? Assignment. Gay men need to come up with a term for themselves as good as Lesbian.[/quote]

Well, there is the sub group called "bears"...that meet any of your criteria? lol

Then again, it sounds as if you like the term "lesbian" because its two chicks
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Woah I bet he gets cock by the boatload. Is he Butch or Bitch?[/quote]

Who the hell knows. He just strikes me as the type like I am "Yeah, I'm gay. So what? :roll:". I've actually thrown on highly developed "gaydars" because you wouldn't expect it
 
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