Proposition 8 same sex marriage ban poll

Ok you're a chick and you walk up to another chick and say you're a Lesbian. BANG! You're already partway there. Look at the way your tongue moves in les. It's already a come on man.
I think Gay males should take stud from the Lesbians and make it their own. Although you saying Bear doesn't work it actually gets me thinking. Cub actually sounds like there might be a cuddles thing though. Hmmm maybe Whomp could work.
edit: You know Myke is probably a BiBear. chuckles. Snatcher well I doubt you're a stereotype which I suppose would help. You're not a Broadway whore, not much into fashion either.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']chuckles when he realizes that just you, me and Syn have posted on this page.[/quote]
I didnt make it
 
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[quote name='Sc4rfac3']Dont forget me.[/QUOTE]

I think Myke got scared off by being called BiBear.

I can't believe what an idiot BigT has been.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Man, this thread got FIERCE.
I am the most civil of the gay.

I just believe in common sense, that is all.
: )[/quote]
It was kinda heated before but it did kinda pick up about 2 pages back. Its cool now i think we settled back down again.
 
I just tried fleshing out my point but some didn't care to hear things, so I've given up on it. Why argue a point when the other won't pay attention.
 
I don't know why gays just don't band together and create their own subset of a religion such as Christianity. If Scientology can do it, why can't they? Then they can claim religious persecution and the various pieces of paper our founding fathers wrote up can support them rather than function as roadblocks.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Actually, they still do. They just aren't as vocal. One of my best friends, whos stuck living in UT right now will attest to it. If you're not white, male, and Mormon (yes, they exclude all other forms of Christianity) there, you might as well not exist if you can't pop out 10+ children.[/QUOTE]

I usually refrain from name calling but you are super ignorant stating such BS as fact.

Mormons have never said interracial marriages were a sin or a transgression. They only have advised against two people of vastly different cultures or backgrounds getting married, because statistically they are less successful. But it's never been considered a sin, which is the key point here for why it's not comparable to religious views of homosexuality which is widely considered sin. People like you take that advise and twist it into bigotry, which is horribly inaccurate.

And your friend's experience is the same experience anyone would have in any culture vastly different than one's own. It's called culture shock, not discrimination. The Mormon church itself doesn't advocate anything you just typed.

Move to a colony of devout Hindus in India and see how well you get along in their society eating burgers all the time and refusing to believe in reincarnation, or move to Saudi Arabia and openly look at pornography and eat pork sandwiches in public - and you'll have a similar experience.

What amuses me most about this is - it never fails, it's always the people so upset and such huge activists about the intolerance of one narrow issue that are generally the most ignorant and intolerant of so many others.
 
This thread has reaffirmed the fact that I fucking hate people. They're all self-centered pricks who care more about themselves and bitch & moan about issues that don't even concern them. If Prop 8 doesn't pass how is it going to hurt you, the straight person? It won't bother me; gays being allowed to marry won't make me dump my girlfriend and become gay, but it will make my family much happier because then my uncle will be allowed to get married.

There is absolutely no harm that can come from homosexuals being allowed to marry, it won't affect a majority of the population, so stop being so god damn oppressive; they're tax paying Americans just like everyone else, they should have the same rights.
 
I think the easiest way to put what I'm trying to say was that why should other minorities/groups have the same civil rights that I am being denied?

If you see what I say/said as an attack or racist comment against black people, you need to just shoot yourself. I'm talking about any and all groups/minorities. For you to single it out to one minority miss the point entirely. It makes no difference how long any group has been fighting for change, a struggle is a struggle. The Scottish fought for centuries to be free of England. Before that, the Picts fought with the Romans for their country/right to live as they pleased. In Australia, aboriginals are STILL fighting for their rights. For you to be a member of a group and think that it only pertains to you...news flash, you're not special. And neither am I. We are all humans. As Tyler Durden said in Fight Club, "We're all apart of the same compost heap"
 
Thrust yeah but their Reincarnation beliefs are fucked imo. I mean try to tell someone they're fucked into getting in Heaven until they're reborn in the Priest class and tell me how that works out.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I think the easiest way to put what I'm trying to say was that why should Anybody have the same civil rights that I am being denied?

If you see what I say/said as an attack or racist comment against black people, you need to just shoot yourself. I'm talking about any and all groups/minorities. For you to single it out to one minority miss the point entirely. It makes no difference how long any group has been fighting for change, a struggle is a struggle. The Scottish fought for centuries to be free of England. Before that, the Picts fought with the Romans for their country/right to live as they pleased. In Australia, aboriginals are STILL fighting for their rights. For you to be a member of a group and think that it only pertains to you...news flash, you're not special. And neither am I. We are all humans. As Tyler Durden said in Fight Club, "We're all apart of the same compost heap"[/quote]
:roll: fixed!
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Another thing I've been meaning to mention:

A lot of people here love to compare gay marriage acceptance with interracial marriage acceptance, especially where religions are concerned.

I take issue with that. I don't know of any main-stream or major religion that ever considered interracial marriage a moral sin. Not anywhere close to the extent of their views on homosexuality. I can't find evidence of any religion considering interracial marriage a sin, major or minor. Some just advised against it for cultural differences decreasing the success rate of the marriage (some still do, but it's not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing).

This is further evidence that the government shouldn't involve itself in marriages. Religions (and other groups) are vehemently against homosexuality. If they openly teach and talk about gay marriage being wrong if Prop 8 fails, couldn't they be sued for discrimination? All because the state is involved in definitions? In other words - one group's "gain" is another group's legal cluster fuck.[/quote]

Then why did that Christian College in South Carolina (Bob Jones University) ban interracial dating because it was against God's will? Please know all the facts before you jump in.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Don't forget also, that because hes a doctor, that he thinks hes better and more right than anyone else[/quote]

Snatcher, Snatcher, Snatcher... while I agree with your taste in games (Snatcher for the PC-Engine/SegaCD was awesome...), that's about where it ends.

Currently, gay people and people of different races all have the same rights: i.e., they are allowed to marry someone of the opposite race (pure equality). An allowance for gay marriage would be more about making an exception for a fringe group/lifestlye rather than about bringing equality.

I am for Prop 8 because I don't like the fact that gay marriage was imposed upon our state despite being shot down by a popular vote a few years ago (prop 22).

We live in a democracy and these issues should be decided by the voters... if prop 8 fails, I will tip my hat to the other side and accept gay marriage in the state.

...of course a better solution would be to divide California into Northern and Southern sections (I am sure prop 8 will easily fail in Northern California)... you liberals can have San Fran and we conservatives can keep OC.
 
I think it is terrible when 2 dudes making love adopt a boy.
And schools will tell children that that is ok. My friends that is not OK.
Gays have a retarded gene in their dna that makes them gay but that doenst mean it is ok that they marry. I don't hate gays, but I hate seeing them kissing on each other and grabbing each others ass at the mall in front of children.
Yes on 8, it's not hate
 
[quote name='BigT']Snatcher, Snatcher, Snatcher... while I agree with your taste in games (Snatcher for the PC-Engine/SegaCD was awesome...), that's about where it ends.

Currently, gay people and people of different races all have the same rights: i.e., they are allowed to marry someone of the opposite race (pure equality). An allowance for gay marriage would be more about making an exception for a fringe group/lifestlye rather than about bringing equality.

I am for Prop 8 because I don't like the fact that gay marriage was imposed upon our state despite being shot down by a popular vote a few years ago (prop 22).

We live in a democracy and these issues should be decided by the voters... if prop 8 fails, I will tip my hat to the other side and accept gay marriage in the state.

...of course a better solution would be to divide California into Northern and Southern sections (I am sure prop 8 will easily fail in Northern California)... you liberals can have San Fran and we conservatives can keep OC.[/quote]

BigoT, BigoT, BigoT... Didn't I tell you to just shut the fuck up a while back? Better yet, fucking die you shit head homophobe
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']I think it is terrible when 2 dudes making love adopt a boy.
And schools will tell children that that is ok. My friends that is not OK.
Gays have a retarded gene in their dna that makes them gay but that doenst mean it is ok that they marry. I don't hate gays, but I hate seeing them kissing on each other and grabbing each others ass at the mall in front of children.
Yes on 8, it's not hate[/quote]

What about the kids with the baggy pants and that crazy rap music? Should we ban them too? What about those little girls with the slut t-shirts? That offends me too. Know what else offends me? Ignant ass fools that get offended at everything.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']I think it is terrible when 2 dudes making love adopt a boy.
And schools will tell children that that is ok. My friends that is not OK.
Gays have a retarded gene in their dna that makes them gay but that doenst mean it is ok that they marry. I don't hate gays, but I hate seeing them kissing on each other and grabbing each others ass at the mall in front of children.
Yes on 8, it's not hate[/quote]

With a name like yours you have no say in anything
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']With a name like yours you have no say in anything[/quote]1: What's the significance of his name?
2: He's just a troll. And I'm-a go out on a limb and guess that he's not of voting age, either.
 
Yes. Yes we should.

I am just upset my nephew gos to a school where a little black boy goes that has 2 daddys. I don't appreciate the little black kid showing his penis to his classmates and his butt.

PS trolls are imaginary and I am about as real as it gets little one
With a name like the crotch, do you go by a bigstinkyhole in gta 4? I saw that the other day but I thought it was a girl.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Yes. Yes we should.

I am just upset my nephew gos to a school where a little black boy goes that has 2 daddys. I don't appreciate the little black kid showing his penis to his classmates and his butt.[/quote]

You're full of shit. If ANY kid were doing that he'd be expelled. I hope someone spikes your shit with PCP and you start thinking that ytou can fly
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']You're full of shit. If ANY kid were doing that he'd be expelled. I hope someone spikes your shit with PCP and you start thinking that ytou can fly[/quote]
No, I didn't make that up and no he wasn't expelled. Petaluma People arent the brightest of the bunch.
I just state my opinion and people hate and want people to spike my medicine.
I think John Mcclain just might win with heroes like you.
 
Alot of kids in grade school show each other their penis. It's pretty natural and if you say that it didn't happen, you're just in denial. It doesn't matter if you have 2 daddies or 2 mommies.

In first grade, I found out that girls have different parts and I asked a girl down the street that I would show her mine if she showed me hers. Did that make me a future pervert? (Probably yes, but who isn't?) In fourth grade, we had a contest to see who could pee the highest. Does that make me gay?
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']Yes. Yes we should.

I am just upset my nephew gos to a school where a little black boy goes that has 2 daddys. I don't appreciate the little black kid showing his penis to his classmates and his butt.

PS trolls are imaginary and I am about as real as it gets little one
With a name like the crotch, do you go by a bigstinkyhole in gta 4? I saw that the other day but I thought it was a girl.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: :rofl: :dunce:

So let me guess: You and your friends make it your mission to tease and make fun of this little black kid everyday, am i right?

The only reason why you think gay is wrong is simple: Your parents are idiots too.

Here's the problem, gals.
Being an IDIOT is a choice; Gay is not :cool:

You are born gay, however, you choose to be an idiot.
I am kickin major ass in this thread. I am one the few who only makes sense because I'm using common sense and not religion and quotes and facts and percentages and poems, ETC!

 
[quote name='Mr. 420']No, I didn't make that up and no he wasn't expelled. Petaluma People arent the brightest of the bunch.
I just state my opinion and people hate and want people to spike my medicine.
I think John Mcclain just might win with heroes like you.[/quote]

No, its illiterate ones like you thats heroes to him. Its McCain not McClain. Unless you have cancer/glaucoma/or another medical malady, its not medicine.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']No, its illiterate ones like you thats heroes to him. Its McCain not McClain. Unless you have cancer/glaucoma/or another medical malady, its not medicine.[/quote]

Let's not start bashing weed now. Americans of every politcal spectrum imbibe in that sweet sweet cheeba. It's just that some of us can still function like a normal human being.
 
Mr. 420, homosexuality is not genetic, see my post a handful of pages back.

Also, if the kid showed his cock to the class it's not because of having two daddies, it's because the kid has mental issues. Kids do that in schools across the country, some of whom have some sort of mental handicap. Unless you can present published proof that homosexuality has this effect then shut up, because I can pull studies left and right that say otherwise. Kind of like this:

http://www.narth.com/docs/does.html

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118584105/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=MSSW3862GJVX9JEJ52EPJT0HEH0V9NF9&ID=82833

Regardless of how hard I try to find fair articles that drive my claims home, I'm sure BigT will find something wrong with one of these it ;)
 
[quote name='depascal22']Alot of kids in grade school show each other their penis. It's pretty natural and if you say that it didn't happen, you're just in denial. It doesn't matter if you have 2 daddies or 2 mommies.

In first grade, I found out that girls have different parts and I asked a girl down the street that I would show her mine if she showed me hers. Did that make me a future pervert? (Probably yes, but who isn't?) In fourth grade, we had a contest to see who could pee the highest. Does that make me gay?[/quote]
A lot of grade school kids show there penis huh?
Why are we voting on this agian anyway. Oh yeah because of some gay San Francisco judges. The people already spoke, so I don't know why they are wasting money on putting this on the ballot again.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Let's not start bashing weed now. Americans of every politcal spectrum imbibe in that sweet sweet cheeba. It's just that some of us can still function like a normal human being.[/quote]

Trust me, I'm not bashing it. Reason why I don't have any right now is that its been dry as shit around here for a while. But when fools like him call it medicine with no medical issues, it causes problems
 
[quote name='SoonerMatt']Mr. 420, homosexuality is not genetic, see my post a handful of pages back.

Also, if the kid showed his cock to the class it's not because of having two daddies, it's because the kid has mental issues. Kids do that in schools across the country, most of whom have some sort of mental handicap. Unless you can present published proof that homosexuality has this effect then shut up, because I can pull studies left and right that say otherwise. Kind of like this:

http://www.narth.com/docs/does.html

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118584105/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=MSSW3862GJVX9JEJ52EPJT0HEH0V9NF9&ID=82833

Regardless of how hard I try to find fair articles that drive my claims home, I'm sure BigT will find something wrong with one of these it ;)[/QUOTE]


Seriously.
All the links on the internet do not prove a darn thing.
It's simply a matter of civil rights and that's pretty much it.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Seriously.
All the links on the internet do not prove a darn thing.
It's simply a matter of civil rights and that's pretty much it.[/quote]
I know, I've been preaching the civil rights aspect dominantly, but data every now and then (especially when it comes down to genetics/physiology or sociology) can help.
 
Does Jerry Falwell count as mainstream Thrust? Are evangelicals not mainstream? To say that "mainstream" religion didn't treat mixed-race marriages is much the same way they now do gay marriages is pretty ignorant. In fact, it's almost the exact same religious traditions with almost the exact same arguments. Both considered sins, both against the teachings of the Bible, both said to be immoral and lead to degraded morals throughout the country if accepted, both groups shunned and rejected by the practitioners of those religious traditions. Hell, not only are the religious arguments almost the same, the legal ones are too.

Why are you drawing a line?

Hateful and intolerant people use religion as a shield. It's a way to give themselves authority. It doesn't make all religion bad, religion does not exist in a bubble unaffected by the feelings of those who practice it. There are plenty of religious groups that are more tolerant of homosexuals and homosexual marriage now just as there were for black people and interracial marriages in the past. You don't need to defend that ones that weren't or pretend like it wasn't a generally accepted opinion.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Then why did that Christian College in South Carolina (Bob Jones University) ban interracial dating because it was against God's will? Please know all the facts before you jump in.[/QUOTE]

How is one small college a mainstream or major religion?

Please read my entire post before you respond.

I said no major or mainstream religion officially said that interracial dating or marriage was a sin. That means that no mainstream or major religion or church ever would take disciplinary action on someone for dating or marrying interracially.

And when I say mainstream or major religion, I'm talking 5 million or more members. One college that calls themselves "Christian" is not a religion or a church, nor is it any more than a speck of relevance in the grand scheme.

If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm all ears.
 
Look above to SpazX's post. Jerry Falwell preached against interracial relations well into the 90s. Liberty University was his for all intents and purposes. If Liberty, Bob Jones, and almost every other fundamentalist/evangelical Christian College banned interracial dating up until recently, wouldn't you say that they were calling it a sin? Falwell even claimed that Brown vs Board of Education was a "satanic plot".

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics/2007-05/msg03374.html


More about Bob Jones:

The announcement amounted to a remarkable turnaround for Bob Jones, a 73-year-old institution that hews to an unapologetic adherence to classic Protestant fundamentalism. After a 13-year legal fight, the university lost its tax exemption in 1983. And as late as Wednesday, the university was attempting to explain the ban on interracial dating according to its belief that the Bible teaches that God does not want a unified and undifferentiated world.
Click to expand...

EDIT -- I should've clarified that there are more than five million evangelicals in America. Until the mid to late 90's, Falwell was their "pope". He made many decisions that shaped and influenced the minds and hearts of every evangelical in America and the rest of the world.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']No, its illiterate ones like you thats heroes to him. Its McCain not McClain. Unless you have cancer/glaucoma/or another medical malady, its not medicine.[/quote]

HAhaha. Die Hard.

John McClain for President!
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']No, because there is a huge huge huge difference between something being a sin and something being advised against.[/quote]

They weren't "advised against." The people who did it were shunned, laws were passed against it, and like I posted, it was said to lead to moral degeneration and said to be against the Bible. If that's not a sin then what the hell is?
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']
With a name like the crotch, do you go by a bigstinkyhole in gta 4? I saw that the other day but I thought it was a girl.[/quote]Negatory, but if ya ever see a chick with a mohawk on drums in Rock Band, that's probably me.

Troll. Seriously, guys. Don't argue with trolls.
 
There needs to be a link somewhere that says that Proposition 8 would ban marriage for an entire group of people based on their sexuality. Forget whether or not you agree with homosexuality, homosexual parents, homosexual marriage, or homosexual pets - if it passes, the state of California will be allowed to pass a law that blatantly discriminates against a group of people. It never should have passed in the first place, and the Supreme Court overturning it merely remedied that.
 
[quote name='Mr. 420']A lot of grade school kids show there penis huh?
Why are we voting on this agian anyway. Oh yeah because of some gay San Francisco judges. The people already spoke, so I don't know why they are wasting money on putting this on the ballot again.[/QUOTE]

Remove that sinful hedonistic lesbian avatar at once. Or you're going to hell.
 
[quote name='depascal22']What about the kids with the baggy pants and that crazy rap music? Should we ban them too? What about those little girls with the slut t-shirts? That offends me too. Know what else offends me? Ignant ass fools that get offended at everything.[/quote]

Yes, most definitely, we should ban "kids with the baggy pants and that crazy rap music" and "little girls with the slut t-shirts" ... however, somewhat older hot girls wearing slutty clothes should not be banned ;).
 
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