PS3 scheduled for $100 price drop to $499.99 after E3?

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How is the 360 any more stuck than the PS3? MS can put whatever they want in an update.. We couldn't do downloads while playing games before, for example.

Saying that one has potential means nothing. What's out now and has been done is what's important.
 
Bottom line is that they're both great pieces of hardware. They both have room to grow and mature. This is like arguing over which kid has a better chance of making the major leagues. Problem is, they're still playing T ball.
 
[quote name='jer7583']How is the 360 any more stuck than the PS3? MS can put whatever they want in an update.. We couldn't do downloads while playing games before, for example.

Saying that one has potential means nothing. What's out now and has been done is what's important.[/QUOTE]
Neither could the PS3, but now, voila. Download and play games at the same time. So in short there is room to improve and that's what Home is going to do. From what I've read it's going to fix everyones major complaints. Now it just needs to be released :bomb:
 
[quote name='whoknows']Neither could the PS3, but now, voila. Download and play games at the same time. So in short there is room to improve and that's what Home is going to do. From what I've read it's going to fix everyones major complaints. Now it just needs to be released :bomb:[/QUOTE]Yeah, I like to play PS1 RPGs (or other PS1 games) while downloading. That's something I can't do on any other console. ;) It's also cool watching my buddies sign on/off, while playing an old game (makes me feel like I'm playing a PS1 game in the future).
[quote name='depascal22']Hey, I like the 360 dashboard. The PS3 has a classy dashboard but I'm more than happy with what the 360 provides. If the PS3's dashboard is Monte Carlo, the 360's is Vegas baby.[/QUOTE]I prefer the PS3 XMB because there's more room to expand on it. Also, I like it because it's very quick to navigate (not laggy like the 360 dashboard at times), and very neat (not clutter with stupid ads and such). I feel the XMB is much more professional too.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Yeah, I like to play PS1 RPGs (or other PS1 games) while downloading. That's something I can't do on any other console. ;) It's also cool watching my buddies sign on/off, while playing an old game (makes me feel like I'm playing a PS1 game in the future).[/QUOTE]
I thought you couldn't download anything while playing a PS2/PS1 game?

Unless they changed that with a recent firmware update?
 
[quote name='zewone']I thought you couldn't download anything while playing a PS2/PS1 game?

Unless they changed that with a recent firmware update?[/QUOTE]
I don't think they did, unless he's talking about a downloadable PS1 game. When you play an older game it switches to the Emotion Engine so the download stops. Maybe with them trying to make it software emulation that'll fix the problem. Who knows...
 
[quote name='zewone']I thought you couldn't download anything while playing a PS2/PS1 game?

Unless they changed that with a recent firmware update?[/QUOTE]When playing a PS2 game, it signs you off PSN and you can't play a PS2 game while downloading.

However, for a PS1 game (download OR disc), you are NOT signed off PSN. Because of that, the download continues. I know that for sure because I was playing Tales of Destiny, Suikoden II, Ridge Racer, and other PS1 games while downloading, and I got the message while playing my download was finished and I can install.

PS1 games play off of a software emulator completely (which is good at bad), so you don't have to press the PS button and you're still online (It just doesn't tell you what you're playing under your name). I think part of the reason for signing you off on PS2 games could be that some PS2 games are online (no PS1 games are online).
 
This such issue can be fixed via firmware and PS1/2 emulation upgrades. Just like how MS later patched background downloading into the marketplace.

I wonder if Cheapy has dug up any info on MS's price drops. I know they have to respond to Sony's price drops, and it's likely they were just waiting for Sony to make a move first. There was news of them cutting manufacturing costs, but is that enough to do a $100 price drop on all their SKUs? They also have those very costly warranty issues. But regardless of that, MS has shown it's willing to spend a lot of money just to gain and keep market share. So, Sony will have to do more than just that $100 price drop if they want to trump MS.

It makes me think sony should reintroduce the 20gb model as a trump card, get rid of the PS2 internals, lose the internal wifi and whatever else they can cut. Heck even the HDMI port. Then sell that at the magical $400 price point. What you have there is a system equivalent to the 360 selling for the same price point, but with added bluray. They're already eating losses with this price drop, might as well go the whole way and really trying to take share away from MS.

That, or perhaps the announcement that they had no plans for a price drop was them covering their butts to see how MS plans to drop prices. Depending on what MS does, Sony might try to one up them with a larger drop.
 
[quote name='Pharrell1']Why would MS price drop there console 399 is a resonable price point.[/QUOTE]MS won't drop the price now because the Elite just came out in late April. Dropping that price now wouldn't be good. Maybe around September, they might though. I hear a $50 price cut is coming around then too. MS can't drop too much due to losing $6 billion in their home entertainment sector.
 
[quote name='jer7583']How is the 360 any more stuck than the PS3? MS can put whatever they want in an update.. We couldn't do downloads while playing games before, for example.

Saying that one has potential means nothing. What's out now and has been done is what's important.[/QUOTE]


it means plenty. you probably don't read much PS3 news, but there was a recent interview that confirmed a ton of interesting features for the system (that were completely seperate from the Home update...which will be massive in its self.)

I guess MS could put whatever they want...maybe that was a dumb statement on my part. but it's stuck in that ugly design forever it seems. Whatever happened to the customization and personalization of the dash they were talking about when they unveiled the system? oh yeah, they decided to sell it piece by piece.

I have been pretty disappointed with their dash updates, but now that I've seen how Sony does it-- with major updates and incremental fixes in between to keep things running smoothly or to add smaller features like new playable codecs, I'm downright spoiled.

just my opinion
 
[quote name='Crimson_Raven25']you mean 8$$ a month

besides psn just came ut so u cant just keep flaming at it when it just came out, sony is fixing it with the next up date right????
and also xbl wasnt that good when it firs came out i keeped on having problames with it and i still sorta do[/QUOTE]

XBL is $50 a year. 12 Months in a year. So about $4 a month.
Not sure where you are getting $8 a month, unless you are talking about the month to month cards, but whoever buys those are just idiots.
 
Still not worth it considering how restrictive it is. Remember that MS isn't running any game servers for you, it's still console to console.

All you're paying for is advanced filtering, no different from what Gamespy was offering. MS doesn't provide netcode or anything like that, although they probably use their highly experience networking teams to find ways around network problems like router and nat transversal. So the idea that Xbox is inherently lag free is a misnomer. Live just filters out a lot more people.

The whole achievement thing is akin to giving kids a gold star, but otherwise they don't do anything and aren't worth $4 to me. Sure people like them, no doubt. It also leads to some developer laziness. Instead of providing tangible gameplay effects, or at least extras attached to achievements (such as concept art, etc...) they just give the achievements.

As for updates, well saying what's here and now is a cop out response. For example, how many of you bought a 360 for Halo 3 (or Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, etc...), or were influenced mainly by it? I did. But wait, it's not here right now. And not too long ago the 360's live and marketplace were very basic. It took a year before they patched it up to what it was today.

Don't put down Home and home trophies either. It seems silly to me, but just like I think achievements are silly, people could really latch on to it.

Now, despite what I've just said. There is the matter that yes, what's here and now really does matter. So I suspect at this E3 Sony will try to push and show Home, and its associated XMB upgrades, and say how it's coming very soon. Sony doesn't have these things right now, and despite having Xbox live as a clear example of how to do these things, they didn't reference it when releasing the PS3. So what Sony will have to do beyond just the $100 price drop is get the PSN, home, and online multiplayer working flawlessly along with all those extra XMB features like friends list working accross all future games. That also means setting standards for developers, just like the new standard that is meant to fix the PS3 game scaling issue at 1080i/720p.
 
[quote name='Apossum']it means plenty. you probably don't read much PS3 news, but there was a recent interview that confirmed a ton of interesting features for the system (that were completely seperate from the Home update...which will be massive in its self.)

I guess MS could put whatever they want...maybe that was a dumb statement on my part. but it's stuck in that ugly design forever it seems. Whatever happened to the customization and personalization of the dash they were talking about when they unveiled the system? oh yeah, they decided to sell it piece by piece.

I have been pretty disappointed with their dash updates, but now that I've seen how Sony does it-- with major updates and incremental fixes in between to keep things running smoothly or to add smaller features like new playable codecs, I'm downright spoiled.

just my opinion[/QUOTE]

You can load your own background images with a USB drive or CD. Mine is the gunmetal blackish from the Gears Emergence Day theme for the blades, with the AWESOME Wii cover from EDGE. Nice smoky black with white scheme.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']
I wonder if Cheapy has dug up any info on MS's price drops. I know they have to respond to Sony's price drops, and it's likely they were just waiting for Sony to make a move first. There was news of them cutting manufacturing costs, but is that enough to do a $100 price drop on all their SKUs? They also have those very costly warranty issues. But regardless of that, MS has shown it's willing to spend a lot of money just to gain and keep market share. So, Sony will have to do more than just that $100 price drop if they want to trump MS.[/quote]
I"m guessing a $400 Elite (except not in black). If Apple can charge an extra $80-$100 (I forget how much exactly) for thier black macbook, I guess Microsoft can get away with it too. I'd guess there will be $300 Premiums too, and no more core system.

With the video marketplace doing so well, It's in Microsoft's best interest to
ship all systems with a hard drive.

[quote name='Vanigan']
That, or perhaps the announcement that they had no plans for a price drop was them covering their butts to see how MS plans to drop prices. Depending on what MS does, Sony might try to one up them with a larger drop.[/quote]That was just PR bullshit. The $100 price drop is a done deal.


[quote name='jer7583']You can load your own background images with a USB drive or CD. Mine is the gunmetal blackish from the Gears Emergence Day theme for the blades, with the AWESOME Wii cover from EDGE. Nice smoky black with white scheme.[/quote]You can also load them via your computer network. I use a photo I took of a Japanese garden. It's this one, actually:
 
[quote name='CheapyD']You can also load them via your computer network.[/quote]

[apologies]Sorry, real quick OT: what is the optimal image size for backgrounds on 360?[/apologies]
 
[quote name='gunm'][apologies]Sorry, real quick OT: what is the optimal image size for backgrounds on 360?[/apologies][/QUOTE]
720 x 1280
1080 x 1920
 
To quote myself:
[quote name='headpiece747']The Target in Clarksville, TN has the PS3 for $499.00 already and has 2 instock as of 7/7. Checked Circuit City and it is still $599.00.[/quote]
 
Its unfortunate that the EB/GS PS2-for-PS3 trade-in deal is so crappy ($100, but you have to include two controllers and a memory card). That and they'll probably kill or reduce that deal when the price drop is official. Hell, might be dead already, just happened to see someone make mention of it again recently.

Somewhat on topic, does anyone have the link for the BC database for the PAL PS3s? Need to figure out if the EE-removal should be a motivating factor for picking one up based on my current and anticipated future PS2 collection.

Edit: Found it, if anyone else wants it: http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/ Europe kinda sucks... only three of my ten games are even listed there, two of which will work (Disgaea 2, SotC), one of which might have problems (DQ8).
 
Eh, the price drops MS side sound reasonable for MS to retain their lead.

Sony's going to have to work harder to come back than a price drop it seems. They've seriously got to push other system enhancements this E3, along with exclusive games.

I'm wondering if they're already rethinking the decision to drop the 20gb version. I mean, if they cut out the PS2 internals, built in wifi, and a smaller HD, they might be able to price at $400. That seems to be the magic number right now.
 
Well this is good news.
Sort of....

I just got a ps3 two weeks ago at BestBuy with the HDTV as the bundle set.

Thing is it minused $400 off the $599 price of the PS3 as the savings price.

Do you think I can still price match for the $499 price?

Im hoping I can do that to save me another 100 bucks as well. Plus it would be 2 days short of the 30 day policy expiring, so Im thinking I may still have a chance. Plus, if this happens, the reciept would change to reflect the latest date so maybe I can get in on the 5 free blu-rays deal...

Anyways...just wishful thinking....
 
so how is the blue ray market doing? Is the war ever going to see an end? If I knew Blue Ray was the future of home movies I might drop on this. Still, I can't stand the fact that all the money hungry companies are fighting over that and HD DVD. I guess I'll stick with dvd until it's decided.
 
[quote name='Oktoberfest']People have been saying that Blu-Ray basically won since Blockbuster will have them and not HD-DVD. Unless something's changed[/QUOTE]

Blockbuster, the same company having hella financial problems? I don't think they're significant enough of a factor to change things.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Blockbuster, the same company having hella financial problems? I don't think they're significant enough of a factor to change things.[/QUOTE]


agreed, netflix would be the better decider in this war, and from what i know, they carry both?
 
This is the argument:

PS3 isn't worth the money right now. The library isn't appealing enough to me as a gamer right now
Click to expand...

This is your counter-argument:

The 360 used to have almost as bad as a library _____ time ago.
Click to expand...

The counter-argument is pathetic. It's like trying to tell a group of children that Santa Clause doesn't exist. People come up with the weirdest excuses to cloak themselves from the truth I guess.

Any who, I've come to a decision; I want to see TEN new exciting & exclusive games for the PS3 by the time E3 is done. If that happens, I'll buy one ASAP. I would like to own one eventually, with the EE and I have someone willing to give me $80 for the BR movies, thus making it $420 (tax free, since I'll be getting it from Amazon). However, each of the ten new games have to be NEVER-BEFORE SEEN. MGS4 & FF13 are probably going to awesome and everything, but I've seen all I've need to see of them. They all also must be scheduled for release by the holiday 07. No point in caring unless they're coming soon.
 
I think the only thing the BBR announcement did is give BR some good PR. It's definitely not a nail in the coffin. HD does need to stop BR's roll though and quick if it wants to stay in the fight.
M$ is going to have to drop the 360 price tag to stay competitive, it's always worked that way. M$ knows this and is just waiting for $ony to make their announcement first, because why drop it if you don't have to. M$ knows if they stay at $399 and the PS3 with all the extras (BR drive, wireless, 60gb hard drive, hdmi, etc) is $499 it will be tougher competition. Now if the 360 goes to $299 that's only 50 bucks more than the Wii, and that's a steal. If they sell the 360 for $299, hell they might even be able to beat the PS2 in monthly sales. HA HA.
 
I'm sorry I stopped reading the last post after they couldn't use the letter S and had to resort to the ever so clever dollar sign.
 
Actually, you really defeat your own arguments by injecting snide remarks or other similar things like replacing "S"s with with dollar signs. Regardless of whether it's $ony and M$. It shows you're not thinking objectively and thus people are less likely to take you seriously.

10 Absolutely completely new exclusives for E3? You'e kidding yourself. 10 exclusives regardless of previous series is still doubtful. Not even the 360 has that lineup.

And the same arguement about the system coming out later is still applicable, but not completely. The 360 has had a year's lead on the PS3, as such you can't reasonably expect the PS3 to have the same number of games as the 360. Considering the time it takes to develop a modern game, it's almost impossible especially considering no one knew the market for PS3 games. It'd be a better deal to make PS2 games still at that point.

However, what really matters is when it comes time for someone to make a purchase, the 360 has a larger library, although more limited (explained below). That and Sony should have realized this would be a problem, releasing a year later. They should have done more things to promote the system such as a lower price point from the start, really pushing or buying up more the 1st party developers, developing a lot more casual games quickly like Super Stardust, making sure the PS3 dev kits were top notch and shipping promptly, and trying to copy the 360's live and marketplace a bit more.

Instead, through a series of bad management decisions they expected to get sales based on the playstation name alone, and that failed. And now the head of Sony isn't Japanese anymore, Kutaragi is gone, and finally changes are happening that'll bring things back in line.

Sony does have an opportunity to trump MS, and that's through game diversity at the end of the year. Although that opportunity is fading as MS is fixing this already by throwing money at Japanese developers, and pushing games that look and feel like they would have been on a Sony system last gen. Right now the 360 rules the shooter world. First and third person, if it's got guns and an on screen crosshair, the 360 tops the genre. But they don't have much else in terms of exclusives. Later though we'll be seeing things like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey as exclusives.

If Sony puts out a more diverse and still high quality set of eclusives, they could attract a wider market. Killzone 2 to get the shooter crowd, FF13 (if they can retain the exclusive) for RPGs, Heavenly Sword and God of War 3 for the fighting games, Gran Turismo for racing, etc... Looks like they're tapping into the same talent MS used too, since they've now got Epic, the guys who printed money for MS through Gears of War working on a PS3 exclusive.

Then on top of that if they followed through with the XMB, sony online, and Home enhancements, things could look up, especially with the price drop.

Once again, this'll be a very interesting E3
 
[quote name='Vanigan']buying up more the 1st party developers, developing a lot more casual games quickly like Super Stardust, making sure the PS3 dev kits were top notch and shipping promptly, and trying to copy the 360's live and marketplace a bit more.[/QUOTE]Actually, Sony has been improving and expanding their first party, which is why there are developing 100 PS3 games. Sony knew their own games would be more importance this gen, which is why they are expanding.
 
It's funny how Sony is going through the same next-gen "growing pains" that Microsoft had to endure when it launched the 360 but all Bill Gates groupies don't seem to remember that. I remember there being lots of articles complaining that the 360 software library was a collection of ports with a slightly better paint job. Some games even looked just as good on the regular Xbox. Xbox live was still being tweaked and improved. There was also a huge problem with backwards compatibility. MS had to gradually provide firmware updates to increase the number of retro titles that would play in the new console.

If you went back and looked at where the 360 was 9 months after it's birth and look at where the PS3 is right now they would be pretty even and in MHO Sony has done a better job. I'm not sure what the exact percentage was but at launch 95% of all PS1 & PS2 games worked on their next gen machine. Their on-line service was very lean but hey it's free. You got full 1080p HD support and connectivity right out of the box. Built in WiFi and the ability to upgrade the HD very easily and inexpensively since you don't have to buy a specialized first party upgrade like with the 360. Oh and did I forget to mention the system actually works (the 360 is still having such wide spread hardware failure they extended the manufacturers warranty and are burning a whole lot of revenue because of it!).

The bottom line is if you put both systems on a level playing field IMHO (comparing the first 9 months of existence) Sony has done a better job with its product than MS did.
 
Lets see:

--Lair
--Heavenly Sword
--FFXIII
--MGS4
--Drake
--Ratchet
--Tekken Online
--Eye of Judgment
--Socom

...I know there's one more in there somewhere. *awaiting excuses for why all these games will suck and/or MGS and FF won't be exclusive comments*


As for the Blockbuster/Blu-Ray exclusivity, I think it's better than people are making it out to be in this thread. Yeah, Blockbuster has sucked as a company these past few years, but they've got the recognition and now the in-home/online rental set up that's helping them bounce back.

It's not enough to win but it's a good push
 
Isn't The Last Remnant exclusive?
That game looks nice!

Feels like it'll be a sleeper hit. Even coming from Square.

Well that's 10 games right there that are exclusive.
Can't wait for E3!

C'mon new ICO project!
 
[quote name='dallow']Isn't The Last Remnant exclusive?
That game looks nice!

Feels like it'll be a sleeper hit. Even coming from Square.

Well that's 10 games right there that are exclusive.
Can't wait for E3!

C'mon new ICO project![/QUOTE]


nope that's on the 360 too.


:drool: yes, the team behind ICO needs a PS3 game. Hell, I'd take an SotC remake with better graphics and a solid framerate.
 
[quote name='Oktoberfest']People have been saying that Blu-Ray basically won since Blockbuster will have them and not HD-DVD. Unless something's changed[/quote]

My local Blockbuster carries HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.
 
Little. Big. Planet.

[quote name='Apossum']Lets see:

--Lair
--Heavenly Sword
--FFXIII
--MGS4
--Drake
--Ratchet
--Tekken Online
--Eye of Judgment
--Socom

...I know there's one more in there somewhere. *awaiting excuses for why all these games will suck and/or MGS and FF won't be exclusive comments*


As for the Blockbuster/Blu-Ray exclusivity, I think it's better than people are making it out to be in this thread. Yeah, Blockbuster has sucked as a company these past few years, but they've got the recognition and now the in-home/online rental set up that's helping them bounce back.

It's not enough to win but it's a good push[/quote]
 
I had to stop a guy in Software Etc./GS from buying a used 60GB for $500. It was bad enough he was trading in Mario Party 8 for $20 but I wasn't gonna let the kid get screwed twice.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I had to stop a guy in Software Etc./GS from buying a used 60GB for $500. It was bad enough he was trading in Mario Party 8 for $20 but I wasn't gonna let the kid get screwed twice.[/quote]Good samaritan!

About 200 or less Blockbusters carry both HD DVD and BD.
Only the original stores they tested will continue to carry both.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']The bottom line is if you put both systems on a level playing field IMHO (comparing the first 9 months of existence) Sony has done a better job with its product than MS did.[/quote]

I agree with you completely. Like the MS fans have short term memories. Or what I bet is really going on, is that they bought their systems months AFTER the launch and think that is how it was all along.

MS has done a GREAT job with spinning things and taking small covert (and sometimes overt) stabs at Sony too. Just enough to keep people going "hmmm...... Yeh, that is right!" without really checking into things. The loyalty factor is something they really play off of to help them wedge more of the pie for themselves. I wish sometimes folks would take a step back, put the bias aside and look at what truely is going on in the gaming world.
 
VVVVVVV
[quote name='NamPaehc']I wish sometimes folks would take a step back, put the bias aside and look at what truely is going on in the gaming world.[/quote]
^^^^^^
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']I wish sometimes folks would take a step back, put the bias aside and look at what truely is going on in the gaming world.[/QUOTE]
You should practice what you preach.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Lets see:

--Lair
--Heavenly Sword
--FFXIII
--MGS4
--Drake
--Ratchet
--Tekken Online
--Eye of Judgment
--Socom

...I know there's one more in there somewhere. *awaiting excuses for why all these games will suck and/or MGS and FF won't be exclusive comments*


As for the Blockbuster/Blu-Ray exclusivity, I think it's better than people are making it out to be in this thread. Yeah, Blockbuster has sucked as a company these past few years, but they've got the recognition and now the in-home/online rental set up that's helping them bounce back.

It's not enough to win but it's a good push[/QUOTE]
Warhawk
Hot Shots Golf 5
Folklore
Gran Turismo 5
 
[quote name='Kayden']Little. Big. Planet.[/QUOTE]


How could I forget that? yes...and that game looks more fun than anything coming out on any console in the future and games that have come out thus far. no hyperbole.
 
Interesting, I didn't know the 100 games in development stat, it's likely many of those games are still early in dev though.

I wonder what studios are making them?

I'm also hoping they nab some more American and Euro develoeprs that can develop Bioware style RPGs. Asian style RPGs are great, but I also like the more Western style of RPG, usually with more mature characters and dialogue.
 
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