PSN has returned. What freebie games are you getting?

Hey does anyone know how I can check what my password was for PSN? I can't log in through the web right now because they've taken that page down. I'm assuming you can't get to account management through the PS3 either, right?
 
The same thing could have happened to MS if they sued the first guy to hack there system and the other hackers targeted them. Those elite hackers could get almost into anything. I would assume psn was just as secure as xbl is or around the same thing to be honest. In one way I feel like this is Sony's fault and one way it isn't. Sony went wrong when they sued the guy. Then again the guy shouldn't have posted all over the net how he hacked the ps3. So they both did wrong in ways and two wrongs don't make a right.
 
I just remembered that i put in a different address than my real one to save on tax. But i can't remember if i saved my credit card info or not. I'm never giving sony my CC info again.
 
Good thing I changed my password to something unique from all my others and erased my CC data on PSN a week or so before these attacks.
 
The European FAQ handled the credit card explanation better. You don't need to change it.

It is safe. But no one can ever be 100% certain about anything. You can't prove a negative.
 
Ugh, time to change my important passwords. The good thing is i never used the same passwords for my shopping related sites, but i used the same passwords for other Online games
 
[quote name='Draekon']It's not hard to say "Our network was compromised and we are looking into specifics of what was compromised. We are very sorry that we had to take down PSN, but due to the nature of the compromise we are strengthening our security and will provide more details as time continues. When we get more details on the specifics of what was compromised, we will make another announcement."[/QUOTE]

This. :applause:

TMK is too blind as a Sony fanboy to find any fault with his beloved company that is "infallible".
 
God damnit this is so freaking frustrating and so freaking worrisome. My CC is linked to it plus I had $150 credit built up. Sony better fix this shit, reimburse anyone that gets ripped off because of this and then give out something free to EVERY PSN user just for the bother/worry. I mean it really is insane that they fucked up big enough that they are suggesting people to use credit reports to make sure their safe.
 
[quote name='Gamer4life88']I just remembered that i put in a different address than my real one to save on tax. But i can't remember if i saved my credit card info or not. I'm never giving sony my CC info again.[/QUOTE]

So you commit tax evasion? But if someone rips you off its fucking go time right? Get a clue.
 
[quote name='ZxT Vendetta']This. :applause:

TMK is too blind as a Sony fanboy to find any fault with his beloved company that is "infallible".[/QUOTE]
You are too much of a MS fanboy who dealt with a console having a 100% defect rate, bought the inferior version of FFXIII on 360. ;)

Regardless, like I said before, I GUARANTEE Sony was not 100% certain as to what happened until they went through their investigation. And no I'm not a blind Sony fan, just stating some facts (since I'm a network guy, software person, engineer study person, etc.).
[quote name='MSI Magus']God damnit this is so freaking frustrating and so freaking worrisome. My CC is linked to it plus I had $150 credit built up. Sony better fix this shit, reimburse anyone that gets ripped off because of this and then give out something free to EVERY PSN user just for the bother/worry. I mean it really is insane that they fucked up big enough that they are suggesting people to use credit reports to make sure their safe.[/QUOTE]
Just watch the CC, that is all. When someone tried using mine over a year ago, I got a call and was told to cancel it.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Regardless, like I said before, I GUARANTEE Sony was not 100% certain as to what happened until they went through their investigation. And no I'm not a blind Sony fan, just stating some facts (since I'm a network guy, software person, engineer study person, etc.).[/QUOTE]

However, they knew enough to take PSN down without warning. Which means they had enough information to tell they're looking into it and that there may have been a compromise.

I do work IT and deal with multiple networks on a daily basis. This shit wouldn't fly without some kind of immediate explanation. It doesn't need to be specific because you likely don't have that kind of information yet, but you have strong enough suspicion to do something large like take down a network.



[quote name='MSI Magus']God damnit this is so freaking frustrating and so freaking worrisome. My CC is linked to it plus I had $150 credit built up. Sony better fix this shit, reimburse anyone that gets ripped off because of this and then give out something free to EVERY PSN user just for the bother/worry. I mean it really is insane that they fucked up big enough that they are suggesting people to use credit reports to make sure their safe.[/QUOTE]

If you have a smart phone, set up e-mail to go to it. Then turn on e-mail alerts (if text alerts if you prefer and they are available) to go to your phone with regards to online/phone/mail purchases and any foreign purchases. Or hell all purchases if they allow it.
 
[quote name='Draekon']However, they knew enough to take PSN down without warning. Which means they had enough information to tell they're looking into it and that there may have been a compromise.[/QUOTE]
they KNEW about people turning their PS3 into a dev console was coming and about the free PSN content people were taking. That alone was enough to take down the network. Their investigation LED to compromised info.

If anyone thinks that they will be one of the 75+ million PSN users who gets their info exposed, they are crazy.
 
Basically i'm going to change every damn CC i have ever used with the Psn just to be safe. Someone said that even if you deleted it from the site it still might be accessible to hackers. What a headache.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']You are too much of a MS fanboy who dealt with a console having a 100% defect rate, bought the inferior version of FFXIII on 360. ;)[/QUOTE]

First off it isn't a fanboy vs fanboy thing here. The handling of this potential financial information breach was absolutely fucking awful. If it was Microsoft, Apple, Nintendo, or whomever, I would be as equally pissed as I am right now. Waiting a week before saying anything about it is shitting on your customers no matter what the reason.

Just as stated above, a simple release or email about the situation would have made this a whole hell of a lot better. You know it is a bad situation when a US Senator has to send Sony a letter about how bad they handled it.

And before you give me shit on FFXIII:

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Weird.... Only 1 Copy on Xbox in that picture and 3 on PS3. Yep I got it on the "wrong" system alright. :roll:


And lastly if the Xbox has a "100% defect rate" then why do you even own one? ;)
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']they KNEW about people turning their PS3 into a dev console was coming and about the free PSN content people were taking. That alone was enough to take down the network. Their investigation LED to compromised info. [/QUOTE]

You don't know this for a fact and neither do I. And if this were the case, wouldn't there have been an announcement before hand as this dev console impersonation trick had been around for almost three weeks?
 
I have two credit cards and not sure which one I originally linked to my system. Is there any way to get into my account now and find out which one or do I have to wait a week to find out which CC I need to cancel?
 
I finally get a PS3 and this happens!:roll:

I dont remember ever using my CC with the PS3, but did we have to put one down to register, or if we wanted to download free items?
 
[quote name='macontosh2000']I dont remember ever using my CC with the PS3, but did we have to put one down to register, or if we wanted to download free items?[/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't require any of that kind of information.
 
[quote name='macontosh2000']I finally get a PS3 and this happens!:roll:

I dont remember ever using my CC with the PS3, but did we have to put one down to register, or if we wanted to download free items?[/QUOTE]

No for free stuff you didn't have to. I didn't up until the start of the year myself (put my CC info in) because I was too lazy to go and buy a pts card. :razz:

If you didn't when you downloaded free stuff and are 100% sure you didn't for paid stuff, then you should be fine CC wise. Just reset your password and stuff when it comes back online.
 
I can see the argument both ways in people wanting to blame either Sony or the hackers.
At the base of it all, what was done was illegal. Anyone who snoops around a business' server and ends up with a load of personal user information is a complete twat. It's as simple as that, and I hope the hackers are caught, thrown in jail, and are hit so hard with lawsuits that all their future offspring's reproductive organs turtle deep into their pelvises for a thousand generations.
On the other hand, to be the hackees and not realize this much information was susceptible, well then - Sony, you got some splainin' to do!

I removed my CC info years ago once I realized I could get PSN cards for less than face value. Thanks to my inherent CAGness, I feel slightly more safe and secure!
 
I contacted Sony about the issue and what they intend to do if anyone finds themselves the victim of identity theft or stolen PSN credit. Always good to have an answer on file just in case. I also plan on deactivating all other systems when PSN is active again.
 
Mana Knight I am a loyal fan of Sony and have gone through much of their bullshit for almost half of my life. I have owned One PlayStation, three PlayStation 2s, a PS3, a PSP, and hundreds of physical and digital games. I can take bad console launches, prices, and slow online services. What I cannot stand is poor security and communication with its customers when their personal information is out in the open. I respect you and you can defend Sony all you want, but know that you are defending a corporation that has been pissing off its users and fanboys for the past week.
 
Ah snap. I just realized, isnt it possible that them completely re-working PSN could cause account activations to either be cancelled or cleared?

I'd rage if i lost all of my shared stuff :(
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Hey does anyone know how I can check what my password was for PSN? I can't log in through the web right now because they've taken that page down. I'm assuming you can't get to account management through the PS3 either, right?[/QUOTE]


i was going to change my password through naughty dogs site. or as long as you know your dob you used to register for your psn account you can change it by doing the whole lost password thing.
 
[quote name='ZxT Vendetta']First off it isn't a fanboy vs fanboy thing here. The handling of this potential financial information breach was absolutely fucking awful. If it was Microsoft, Apple, Nintendo, or whomever, I would be as equally pissed as I am right now. Waiting a week before saying anything about it is shitting on your customers no matter what the reason.

Just as stated above, a simple release or email about the situation would have made this a whole hell of a lot better. You know it is a bad situation when a US Senator has to send Sony a letter about how bad they handled it.

And before you give me shit on FFXIII:

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Weird.... Only 1 Copy on Xbox in that picture and 3 on PS3. Yep I got it on the "wrong" system alright. :roll:


And lastly if the Xbox has a "100% defect rate" then why do you even own one? ;)[/QUOTE]
Nice FFXIII stuff. ;) I rather not fight with you anyway, but your comment pissed me off just a little

But seriously, I just see it as if SCE told people that their info might have been compromised right from the beginning, and if they found out it wasn't, you better bet they would have been pissed after to go through the trouble changing their cards for nothing. Regardless, you can't win either way.

Regardless, I see this being another lesson for everyone in the gaming industry. I will STILL give primary support to PlayStation. No more PlayStation = me quitting gaming for life (unless Nintendo makes a good comeback, since MS hardware just never works for me the last two gens).
 
[quote name='Invicta 61']You mean I can't use abc123 for my passwords anymore?[/QUOTE]

nope, going to need to change it to 123abc like me now.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Nice FFXIII stuff. ;) I rather not fight with you anyway, but your comment pissed me off just a little

But seriously, I just see it as if SCE told people that their info might have been compromised right from the beginning, and if they found out it wasn't, you better bet they would have been pissed after to go through the trouble changing their cards for nothing. Regardless, you can't win either way.

Regardless, I see this being another lesson for everyone in the gaming industry. I will STILL give primary support to PlayStation. No more PlayStation = me quitting gaming for life (unless Nintendo makes a good comeback, since MS hardware just never works for me the last two gens).[/QUOTE]

I would rather not get into a fanboy arguement either. I just found your defense of Sony to be more in a fanboy tone to be quite honest.

My issue is why not take that precaution rather than risk numerous people dealing with a headache that could have been prevented in the first place. It is always better to be safe than sorry. Waiting a week and saying oh by the way.... Yeah that is not the thing to be doing.

I certainly don't wish any ill will on Sony at all, I love their exclusives and most of all :br: but FroMann put it best. They have been shitting on their customers for the past week. No matter who you are, that is not acceptable and you will pay for it in some form (both literally and figuratively)
 
I think people are overreacting a bit...maybe because this isn't the first "your information may have been accessed" notice I have received I'm under-reacting. I've seen one from my mortgage company and several credit card companies. The credit card company letters all hit within weeks of each other as a company that apparently they all use was compromised which in turn compromised all of them. Regardless, I'll just do what I normally do which is monitor all my accounts &/or credit report on a regular basis.

I also have no anger towards Sony about this. If someone breaks into your home is it your fault for not having a security door with 15 locks, a security system, bars on your windows and a large dog?
 
[quote name='Cthulhu8u']I removed my CC info years ago once I realized I could get PSN cards for less than face value. Thanks to my inherent CAGness, I feel slightly more safe and secure![/QUOTE]

I live in a state that charges tax on PSN purchases, so whatever marginal discounts I could have gotten from finding PSN cards slightly sub-retail were generally negated (though it helps that I've never actually found a PSN card selling for less than face value anywhere and have bad luck catching online sales.)

It was always worth it for me to just punch in the CC# whenever I would purchase something on PSN as opposed to running out, buying a card, and having money tied up in that until I was ready to use it. That changes after this, though. I don't want to wade into the debate over who's ultimately culpable or anything, so I guess I'm just here to join the chorus of people saying that this sucks :|
 
Cap'n_RDM;8412947 said:
I also have no anger towards Sony about this. If someone breaks into your home is it your fault for not having a security door with 15 locks, a security system, bars on your windows and a large dog?
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Now let's make that house a large business that you trust with all your personal information. Is 15 locks, a security system, bars on your windows and a large dog enough?

I have no anger towards Sony either, but if they want to play with the big boys and be relevant in an online business world, they need to secure that shit down.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']But seriously, I just see it as if SCE told people that their info might have been compromised right from the beginning, and if they found out it wasn't, you better bet they would have been pissed after to go through the trouble changing their cards for nothing. Regardless, you can't win either way.[/QUOTE]

Actually in my first reply to you nowhere did I mention that any user information was compromised. It was a pretty generic "Our shit got seriously hacked and we'll give you more details when we get it ourselves."

Wording something can make a world of difference and in the process it would have made this situation Sony put themselves in much more bearable to the general public. Since I work IT, there are countless times I've had to call a contact (often the manager/boss/ceo/chief of a business or sometimes a city) and say "You have a serious issue and I don't have specifics. However you need to know we're looking into it and will get back to you as soon as we get more information." They take the situation far better when you do that then when they have to call you down the road asking what the hell is wrong and why haven't we told them anything.



Personally I'm not particularly angry or afraid of my information having been compromised. I have all the necessary precautions in place to make me feel safe enough if anything actually does happen. I've gone through countless information leaks and one more doesn't bother me. I just don't like it when people don't inform others when they do something that effects those people.
 
Cap'n_RDM;8412947 said:
I also have no anger towards Sony about this. If someone breaks into your home is it your fault for not having a security door with 15 locks, a security system, bars on your windows and a large dog?
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The problem with this logic is you personally can go BUY extra security for your home if you desire. Lets say, 15 locks, a security system, window bars and a large dog.

With digital information you are at the mercy of the company that houses the data. If the security they have is sufficient (in their opinion), then that is what you get.

Your analogy would probably work better if you got robbed at home because you left your front door unlocked.

I blame Sony. Forever a black eye for them as far as i'm concerned.
 
[quote name='fwbweux']I live in a state that charges tax on PSN purchases, so whatever marginal discounts I could have gotten from finding PSN cards slightly sub-retail were generally negated (though it helps that I've never actually found a PSN card selling for less than face value anywhere and have bad luck catching online sales.)[/QUOTE]

You want to talk tax? I live in Canada, eh. Ontario Tax is 13% on EVERYTHING including PSN. They'd tax the air we breath if they could :lol:

But seriously, I try getting my PSN cards through reward programs (like BestBuy's), since I consider that gravy anyway. I save up points until I need one, so I literally spend nothing.
 
[quote name='ZxT Vendetta']
My issue is why not take that precaution rather than risk numerous people dealing with a headache that could have been prevented in the first place. It is always better to be safe than sorry. Waiting a week and saying oh by the way.... Yeah that is not the thing to be doing.

I certainly don't wish any ill will on Sony at all, I love their exclusives and most of all :br: but FroMann put it best. They have been shitting on their customers for the past week. No matter who you are, that is not acceptable and you will pay for it in some form (both literally and figuratively)[/QUOTE]I look at it this way. The network went down on Thursday. Most SCE employees (like their PR people) were on vacation due to Good Friday/Easter weekend. While they may have networking people working around the clock, the higher ups do not (just how it is anywhere). If you think one of the people at SCE is going to say what all happened without talking it over with the rest, it just won't happen. I suspect Monday there were lengthy meetings with everyone at SCE, finding out what all happened, and Tuesday came the posting. It even said in the news that on the 25th, SCE wasn't sure IF CC info was compromised, they just know there was an issue of people being able to fund their wallet getting free content.

While some may wanted them to say that there may have been a possibility of CC info being compromised, they could have also mentioned that trophies could possible be gone, login details could be gone, content could be erased from your online-ID, because they did not know all that happened, UNTIL they investigated the network. The thing is, there could have been a list of HUNDREDS of things hacked into on the network for SCE to list and there's no way they'd have the answers right away. That is why nothing was done until they could confirm it. I pretty much guarantee MS or Nintendo would have done the same thing if all they were initially aware about was someone hacked into the network getting all content for free (causing a network to shutdown). And if people think Sony just didn't care, than why were 40+ FBI warrants given out to people involved recently.

[quote name='Draekon']Actually in my first reply to you nowhere did I mention that any user information was compromised. It was a pretty generic "Our shit got seriously hacked and we'll give you more details when we get it ourselves."

Wording something can make a world of difference and in the process it would have made this situation Sony put themselves in much more bearable to the general public. Since I work IT, there are countless times I've had to call a contact (often the manager/boss/ceo/chief of a business or sometimes a city) and say "You have a serious issue and I don't have specifics. However you need to know we're looking into it and will get back to you as soon as we get more information." They take the situation far better when you do that then when they have to call you down the road asking what the hell is wrong and why haven't we told them anything.



Personally I'm not particularly angry or afraid of my information having been compromised. I have all the necessary precautions in place to make me feel safe enough if anything actually does happen. I've gone through countless information leaks and one more doesn't bother me. I just don't like it when people don't inform others when they do something that effects those people.[/QUOTE]
By looking at your gamer tag and PSN-ID, I can already tell where your console preference is, so I know to tune you out. ;) I'm just messing with you though.

If Sony just said hacked initially, that would have gotten people even more scared (which is why it just says down for maintenance).
 
The defense of "they were not 100% certain that credit card info was stolen" is ridiculous and a clear example fanboyism at it's absolute worst.

If a doctor thinks there is a 95% chance you could die during an operation, should he keep quiet because he is not 100% certain? How about if there is only a 1% chance?

If you buy a car that had a factory defect that has caused many fatal accidents but it only affected 3% of the line, is it fair for them not to disclose that information because they are not 100% certain it would affect you?

But CC info has no relation to death! Stop making terrible comparisons!
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OK, If Microsoft's credit card records alone were hacked, but they stopped it almost immediately and thought that there was only a small, much, much less than 1%, possibility that even a single customer's CC info was taken, are they free to sweep it under the rug? Why not? They were not 100% certain.

The answer to absolutely all of these is no and if you don't think so, you are... Well, I won't go calling names, but you are wrong.

There is absolutely no way that it took a company the size of Sony, filled with highly skilled employees, 6 days to determine that some CC info may have been taken. This is obviously a case of a company being run in the most inept manner possible and simply wanting to make themselves look good.

I feel OK saying this as I am 100% certain - Sony just tried to sweep a major issue under the rug and every single customer, fanboy or not, should feel very unhappy.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']By looking at your gamer tag and PSN-ID, I can already tell where your console preference is, so I know to tune you out. ;)[/QUOTE]

If that's all it takes to disregard me for a conversation (or friendly argument if that's how you want to see it) then by all means. It just throws your credibility out the window as I shouldn't need to prove that I have far more invested in the playstation brand than I do with the xbox. I haven't insulted you in any way, shape or form that should even warrant calling ones 'brand preferences' into play.
 
I must say, Mana Knight needs to STFU. I've played with Draekon on both systems, it shouldn't matter if he has more points on the 360 vs. the PS3. He brought up valid points...
 
[quote name='dv8mad']
I feel OK saying this as I am 100% certain - Sony just tried to sweep a major issue under the rug and every single customer, fanboy or not, should feel very unhappy.[/QUOTE]

I've been a user of the PS3 for about two years now. Only recently have I used my CC information on their servers...And I now regret doing so. You should always be aware of this risk; however, Sony taking nearly a week to inform its customers that their personal information AND CC information were vulnerable/possibly taken, is ridiculous.

I agree entirely with your observation of this situation. I'm not so much upset with the vulnerability, more-so with Sony's lack of foresight and responsibilities.

Sony's going to need some really good luck to repair their image after this. I'm not happy, and I'm the "on-the-fence" sort.

[quote name='The Mana Knight']If Sony just said hacked initially, that would have gotten people even more scared (which is why it just says down for maintenance).[/QUOTE]
Yeah; agreed, wouldn't want their customers scared/upset that their personal information was taken. You should look to politics for a future job, or perhaps a job as a Sony PR specialist; either profession seem to have high demand for people with your views.
 
[quote name='Gamer4life88']Basically i'm going to change every damn CC i have ever used with the Psn just to be safe. Someone said that even if you deleted it from the site it still might be accessible to hackers. What a headache.[/QUOTE]

If they've got the card...they've got the card. Doesn't matter what you do after the fact - if that information is out there, it doesn't matter what you do on the website now.

[quote name='dgwillia006']Ah snap. I just realized, isnt it possible that them completely re-working PSN could cause account activations to either be cancelled or cleared?

I'd rage if i lost all of my shared stuff :([/QUOTE]

Sony is going to catch hell if that happens. I wouldn't count on it.

[quote name='thehoweller']I've been a user of the PS3 for about two years now. Only recently have I used my CC information on their servers...And I now regret doing so. You should always be aware of this risk; however, Sony taking nearly a week to inform its customers that their personal information AND CC information were vulnerable/possibly taken, is ridiculous.

I agree entirely with your observation of this situation. I'm not so much upset with the vulnerability, more-so with Sony's lack of foresight and responsibilities.

Sony's going to need some really good luck to repair their image after this. I'm not happy, and I'm the "on-the-fence" sort.[/QUOTE]

It really is a question of how long they've known, and nobody knows the answer to that (yet).

As for the image, though...you'd be surprised. People (or most people) forgave them for the rootkits that they were burying on music CDs years ago. Time heals a lot of wounds, even if it shouldn't.

[quote name='SynGamer']I must say, Mana Knight needs to STFU. I've played with Draekon on both systems, it shouldn't matter if he has more points on the 360 vs. the PS3. He brought up valid points...[/QUOTE]

And shit like this is why I stopped posting here. Well, that and no more free time. :D
 
[quote name='Cthulhu8u']You want to talk tax? I live in Canada, eh. Ontario Tax is 13% on EVERYTHING including PSN. They'd tax the air we breath if they could :lol:

But seriously, I try getting my PSN cards through reward programs (like BestBuy's), since I consider that gravy anyway. I save up points until I need one, so I literally spend nothing.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I see. Apparently my deal-fu is simply too weak ;) Reward programs and such are a good strategy, though in the particular case of Best Buy I'm lucky if I buy one item a year from them.

Just as a random note, there's a gas station called Speedway that's common around here that my friends claim offer XBLA/PSN cards when you purchase enough (i.e. hundreds of dollars of stuff...hopefully this includes gas as that's a lot of Mountain Dew and hot dogs if not) from them and have some kind of rewards card, so there are probably options that I haven't explored yet.
 
Well, this turned ugly fast. This is exactly why Sony kept their mouths shut. In the course of a day this has turned from an annoyance to gamers, to a huge mess worthy of real news coverage.
 
[quote name='Buuhan1']Well, this turned ugly fast. This is exactly why Sony kept their mouths shut. In the course of a day this has turned from an annoyance to gamers, to a huge mess worthy of real news coverage.[/QUOTE]
And rightfully so. Crazy that so many are pitying Sony's luck...They should have been forthcoming, not shady (like the hackers that started this).
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']While some may wanted them to say that there may have been a possibility of CC info being compromised, they could have also mentioned that trophies could possible be gone, login details could be gone, content could be erased from your online-ID(snip)[/QUOTE]

I just wanted to say that I agree with all of your recent posts, TMK. You are one of the few talking sense here.

First off, this is terrorism. Stop all the talk of locks and car brakes and all that garbage. Hacking is like someone running into a business and blowing it up. It can happen pretty much anywhere. People who don't realize this must have incredibly short memories. Everything from the Pentagon to huge banking institutions to large e-tailers have been thoroughly hacked with nearly identical info stolen. Everyone is vulnerable. And since we never punish hackers--if we catch them at all--it will continue.

Second, the whining about Sony's poor communication is the same exact whining I've seen when other intrusions happen. As soon as they confirmed sensitive info was stolen, they announced it. It is entirely unreasonable to expect them to declare the worst-case scenario from the very start. They declared that it was due to an intrusion early on, and they quickly followed that up by saying they didn't know if sensitive info was stolen. If people wanted to start canceling their cards, they should have done it then. The possibility was obviously there. There would be a host of complaints against Sony if they'd guessed your CC info was stolen before knowing for sure, because people would cancel their cards then blame Sony for "lying to them". NO-WIN SCENARIO.

Anyone who thinks Sony knew personal info was stolen and covered it up or delayed is an idiot. Seriously. There is no other way to say it. Why? Because there is NO WAY to cover that up. Sony already said they were hacked, so if a rash of identity theft happened it would be easy to trace it back to them.

Blame the hackers. Don't blame the victims (which includes all of us and Sony). This kind of terrorism will only end when we all grow up and focus our efforts against the real culprits.
 
[quote name='fwbweux']Just as a random note, there's a gas station called Speedway that's common around here that my friends claim offer XBLA/PSN cards when you purchase enough (i.e. hundreds of dollars of stuff...hopefully this includes gas as that's a lot of Mountain Dew and hot dogs if not) from them and have some kind of rewards card, so there are probably options that I haven't explored yet.[/QUOTE]

Speedway is a national chain, and they do have a rewards card...but I haven't heard that before. :whistle2:s

[quote name='thehoweller']And rightfully so. Crazy that so many are pitying Sony's luck...They should have been forthcoming, not shady (like the hackers that started this).[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I'm still not sure how I feel about Sony handled this - I need more information before i make that decision - but I'm pretty sure "pitying the multinational corporation" isn't the right reaction.
 
[quote name='Buuhan1']Well, this turned ugly fast. This is exactly why Sony kept their mouths shut. In the course of a day this has turned from an annoyance to gamers, to a huge mess worthy of real news coverage.[/QUOTE]

That just doesn't make sense though.

If Sony had spoken out on the first day saying "we don't yet know what has been affected, but it is certainly a possibility that the hackers have taken personal information up to and including stored credit card information" it would have been news, and the focus would have been on the terrible hackers.

Sony taking nearly a week to say, "oh, by the way, some of your information has been floating around since the first day this happened" makes it now negative news for both Sony and the hackers.

The onus was on Sony (or any company for that matter that handles your personal and private information) to release a statement as soon as possible. They made this situation what it is themselves. The progression of the thread has been the exact same thing.

People are against both the hackers and Sony because both were in the wrong. We also happen to have "Sony" in the thread making some of the worst possible excuses they could rather than saying "yes, it was handled improperly" as they should be saying.
 
I tried to login to PSN site and firefox says it is "UNTRUSTED" what should I do? I'd like to change my password ans check my card and whatnot.
 
[quote name='fwbweux']I live in a state that charges tax on PSN purchases, so whatever marginal discounts I could have gotten from finding PSN cards slightly sub-retail were generally negated (though it helps that I've never actually found a PSN card selling for less than face value anywhere and have bad luck catching online sales.)

It was always worth it for me to just punch in the CC# whenever I would purchase something on PSN as opposed to running out, buying a card, and having money tied up in that until I was ready to use it. That changes after this, though. I don't want to wade into the debate over who's ultimately culpable or anything, so I guess I'm just here to join the chorus of people saying that this sucks :|[/QUOTE]

So Sony said personal info was hacked? I guess I missed the update. I thought that was the original rumor, then we went on to people exploiting dev kits or something to get free stuff. Now we're back to hackers? Oh well...

In any case, I just wanted to let fwbweux know that he clearly isn't paying that much attention on CAG if he isn't able to save way more than the sales tax by getting PSN cards cheaper than retail.

Well, for example, this last Saturday at Kmart they had a spend $120, get $60 in coupons deal. Oh, and if you had a SYWR card (the Kmart/Sears points card - not a CC) and spent $150 on anything that same day, you also got $25 bonus dollars on your account. So, you could have spent $120 in PSN cards (convienently 6 of them unlike the MS cards where you would have had to buy 7 since they are $19.99), plus $30 in household stuff (food, toys, more gaming stuff, whatever) and you could have had PSN monies at a pretty big discount if you use the $60 in coupons + $25 bonus points on more cards. Or you could have gotten a free game or two out of it. Whatever... Yeah, that may seem like a lot of PSN money to get at once, but if you are PS+ and due for renewal not too long from now you can use a chunk of that then.

Point is, there are definitely ways to get PSN cards at 25% or greater discounts such that you should never, ever, need to use a CC on any of these online services (same is doubly true of MS where points have been on sale/dirt cheap many many times over the years).

So, yeah, I'm not worried about that. As long as they didn't lose PSN credit balance (I have about $40 on there now from my last redemption of a $50 card - also obtained cheaply from Kmart), purchase histories/trophy info, then I'm all good.
 
If you get one free credit report per the link Sony provided then wouldn't it be smart to save it for at least a few weeks before you use it? I would think it would take at least a little while before suspicious activity would appear.
 
[quote name='Zippon']I just wanted to say that I agree with all of your recent posts, TMK. You are one of the few talking sense here.[/QUOTE]

You're not. At all. In fact, you're kind of an idiot. :D

[quote name='Zippon']First off, this is terrorism. Stop all the talk of locks and car brakes and all that garbage. Hacking is like someone running into a business and blowing it up. It can happen pretty much anywhere. People who don't realize this must have incredibly short memories. Everything from the Pentagon to huge banking institutions to large e-tailers have been thoroughly hacked with nearly identical info stolen. Everyone is vulnerable. And since we never punish hackers--if we catch them at all--it will continue.[/QUOTE]

Not by most definitions of terrorism, it isn't. There's no violence, no threats, and no attempts to instill fear. There's also no political or religious motivations.

As for not punishing hackers....BWAHAHAHAHA. Try googling "Hacker" and "jail" - you get 4,000,000+ results and at least six or seven different stories on the first page.

[quote name='Zippon']They declared that it was due to an intrusion early on, and they quickly followed that up by saying they didn't know if sensitive info was stolen. If people wanted to start canceling their cards, they should have done it then. The possibility was obviously there. There would be a host of complaints against Sony if they'd guessed your CC info was stolen before knowing for sure, because people would cancel their cards then blame Sony for "lying to them". NO-WIN SCENARIO.[/QUOTE]

So...people should have cancelled their cards when Sony said there may be an issue on their own volition? You're encouraging the exact same knee-jerk reaction you say is part of the "no-win scenario"?

[quote name='Zippon']Anyone who thinks Sony knew personal info was stolen and covered it up or delayed is an idiot. Seriously. There is no other way to say it. Why? Because there is NO WAY to cover that up. Sony already said they were hacked, so if a rash of identity theft happened it would be easy to trace it back to them.[/QUOTE]

It isn't exactly uncommon for corporations to conceal bad news while they try to figure out how to put the best spin on it. There's no reason to assume Sony is this altruistic saint when compared to, say, BP, especially given their track record.

I haven't seen any stories linking the PSN issues to identity theft yet, which by your logic should already have happened many, many times.

[quote name='Zippon']Blame the hackers. Don't blame the victims (which includes all of us and Sony). This kind of terrorism will only end when we all grow up and focus our efforts against the real culprits.[/QUOTE]

Sony is plenty responsible, if they didn't respond quickly enough or didn't have adequate security measures in the first place. They're not "victims."
 
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