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Thermopyle said:
I rarely even check reviews for games. I just look at the gameplay and pay attention to comments in the various forums I visit. Depending on the system and game it can be hard to find good gameplay videos, though.
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You talk more about reviews and post more video reviews than anyone else in the entire thread, so forgive me if I call bull shit on that statement.

 
The thing I like most about baseball is that I so rarely see/hear people talking about it. I hear a few mentions and then it's in the last week and then gone. Drassage and curling are winning, but baseball is doing pretty well, too.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
You talk more about reviews and post more video reviews than anyone else in the entire thread, so forgive me if I call bull shit on that statement.
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Eh? How do you figure? Most of the stuff I say about games is from my own playing of them. The WTF is videos are the ones I link for the most part and those aren't reviews--they're "Let's Play"/first impression videos.

 
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I use Metacritic all of the time. Even if you want to ignore the average score they assign, it's a great place to go for a list of reviews to peruse. That said, I rarely come across a Metacritic score that I think is way lower or higher than it ought to be. So, for me, the score does have some value. Even just reading the little one sentence summaries they pull from reviews is nice because it can help to show themes among the reviews for problems a game might have.

The one thing worth pointing out is that, especially for the naysayers here, is that most reviews were written when the game first came out and was selling for $60. It's easy to think that a game you picked up for $10 is great and deserves a higher review score.Not so much if you had spent $60 on it. 

 
So that Killzone tweet? Just an ad for a 2x Valor weekend in Shadow Fall.

https://twitter.com/killzone/status/565245155041882113/photo/1

Boooooooring.

 
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DietCokeJunkey said:
Speaking of that, you need to post more of your thoughts on Amy.
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I'll make sure to give a spoilered dissertation if I survive the whole thing. Like I said, it's hilarious if you can stomach all the problems.

Example: there's a shitload of these 'electricity mines' all over the place that you have to slowly walk through by barely moving the left stick forward. It takes a full minute to walk through one and they usually make you walk back and forth through them. The monsters have to slowly walk through them too, so there's a segment where two monsters are 'chasing' you through the minefields. At like 0.05 mph.

Oh and while this is happening you can change view to Amy to shoot star wars-esque force pushes at the monsters with some of the worst controls I can recall.

It's all terrible, but step outside it for a second and it's pretty funny.
 
Vigilante said:
So that Killzone tweet? Just an ad for a 2x Valor weekend in Shadow Fall.
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Goddammit. Bought Super Stardust off of the online store but it wouldn't add itself to my download queue (it pretty much never does on my first try). Went to my download list and it's not on there. The product page still lists it for $10, but it won't let me add it to my cart. Weirdness. I'm sure it will sort itself out but I was looking forward to having it downloaded and ready to go before I got home from work. fucking Obama. 

 
Most good or great games seem to rise to the top anyway. Metacrictic or reviews in general are good for those $2 games that Tyler buys that no one really knows anything about. 

 
MildObstruction said:
I think there's three types of people:
- the person that just looks at the cumulative metacritic score and makes a judgment on the game
- the person that looks at what each site says that makes up the cumulative score and looks for unifying themes that help form their opinion (bad controls, good plot, etc)
- these noisy ass bitches who look at the cumulative score and no matter what it is call it biased bullshit with unfair weighting and probably monetary kickbacks or other shady dealings because capitalism

I guess the fourth person doesn't care or know about metacritic, which is probably like 80% of human beings on earth.
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I usually fall into the second category. I look at the Meta score, then read the little blurbs they have on the summary page. If they are inconsistent, I'll go look at the whole list of reviews, then read the individual ones if what they say sounds interesting.

I'm probably hypocritical in this regard since I review games myself and may be part of these scores eventually, and I'd obviously prefer people to read the whole review instead of just the score/summary because I worked hard on writing it. But I understand the need to just get a quick overview/ProsCons list when you're pressed for time or just don't care that much about the details.

I kind of wish we'd get rid of the number scores on GG as well because they are kind of arbitrary and hard to really determine sometimes. Especially when the three categories we can make sub-numbers for can be whatever we want, instead of a set three for every review on the site.

 
jkam said:
Not bad but as of right now I'm good until 2020 thanks to the last phone deal plus we all know they are going out of business soon.
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fuck that, they finally got my original 4 month extension added on after a year, so they better last until at least 2018.

 
mpaullin said:
Goddammit. Bought Super Stardust off of the online store but it wouldn't add itself to my download queue (it pretty much never does on my first try). Went to my download list and it's not on there. The product page still lists it for $10, but it won't let me add it to my cart. Weirdness. I'm sure it will sort itself out but I was looking forward to having it downloaded and ready to go before I got home from work. fucking Obama.
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That happens to me as well. I tried to download the Harmony demo and it didn't end up my queue and doesn't show in the download list. Probably when I check on the PS3 it will be in the download list there, though.

 
My mom unearthed some god awful (holy crap kid, how many paint chips did you eat) Nintendo poem I wrote and what I assume was a letter to Nintendo Power to try to become one of their Power Players in the magazine.  I lied about beating Ghost and Goblins in it.  LOL

 
mitch079 said:
My mom unearthed some god awful (holy crap kid, how many paint chips did you eat) Nintendo poem I wrote and what I assume was a letter to Nintendo Power to try to become one of their Power Players in the magazine. I lied about beating Ghost and Goblins in it. LOL
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You have to scan and post it or take a picture. That sounds awesome.
 
While these challenges are still a bit fidgety they're actually not half as bad as I expected.

mitch079 said:
My mom unearthed some god awful (holy crap kid, how many paint chips did you eat) Nintendo poem I wrote and what I assume was a letter to Nintendo Power to try to become one of their Power Players in the magazine. I lied about beating Ghost and Goblins in it. LOL
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Well now we know that you're not to be trusted.

 
mpaullin said:
Goddammit. Bought Super Stardust off of the online store but it wouldn't add itself to my download queue (it pretty much never does on my first try). Went to my download list and it's not on there. The product page still lists it for $10, but it won't let me add it to my cart. Weirdness. I'm sure it will sort itself out but I was looking forward to having it downloaded and ready to go before I got home from work. fucking Obama.
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It will. I bought the free themes and the same thing happened. Refreshed and they were showing as purchased and then in my download list.

 
I was gonna reply to a bunch of stuff about Metacritic since I just got out of a meeting, but I don't think there's a need to dredge it all up again.  But A) I definitely don't see why publishers shouldn't be able to use metacritic score as one of their metrics when evaluating new ideas (do none of you have performance metrics at work?) and B) even if you do think that is wrong, why is Metacritic getting the blame? They're the one's putting together the average of all review scores as a one-stop resource, they're not the ones forcing studios to use their scores as a metric.

 
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tylerh1701 said:
That Polygon example is just a great example of why everyone should hate Polygon.
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Eh. Whether you agree with the article's content, your question was about why people don't like Metacritic. It does a good job of summing up those reasons. Some (or all) of the reasons might be bullshit, but the article does a good job of answering your question.

 
tylerh1701 said:
I was gonna reply to a bunch of stuff about Metacritic since I just got out of a meeting, but I don't think there's a need to dredge it all up again. But A) I definitely don't see why publishers shouldn't be able to use metacritic score as one of their metrics when evaluating new ideas (do none of you have performance metrics at work?) and B) even if you do think that is wrong, why is Metacritic getting the blame? They're the one's putting together the average of all review scores as a one-stop resource, they're not the ones forcing studios to use their scores as a metric.
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Both of these are correct IMO. The only thing I'd really fault Metacritic for is not being open about their weighting and formulas, though as the article I linked said they do have reasons for keeping that information private.

I do think quantifying game reviews is a bad idea for a number of reasons, but that's not Metacritic's fault. If sites quit giving out scores then Metacritic would have nothing to produce an average from. Until then, an average of bullshit scores is just as relevant as anything else somebody could use to decide whether a game is worth looking at.

 
pharmacrest said:
SEE!?! This is what we wont see out of Harry!

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/10/pf/lottery-winners-losers/index.html?iid=Lead
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No bullshitting: I remember that girl and her grandfather on an episode of TRL on MTV right after he won. Then some years later, I saw some E! True Hollywood Story or some shit about what a mess his life had become. That girl had become a drug addict and was found dead (I don't think it was ever solved). I remember saying "What the fuck? I'd never let that shit happen to me."

Fingers crossed!

 
pitfallharry219 said:
No bullshitting: I remember that girl and her grandfather on an episode of TRL on MTV right after he won. Then some years later, I saw some E! True Hollywood Story or some shit about what a mess his life had become. That girl had become a drug addict and was found dead (I don't think it was ever solved). I remember saying "What the fuck? I'd never let that shit happen to me."

Fingers crossed!
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Elephant in the room question incoming. Feel free to tell me it is none of my business.

Was the daughter before or after the winnings? You can probably guess and answer the follow on questions from that without me having to type them out (assuming you even answer that one).

 
Thermopyle said:
Until then, an average of bullshit scores is just as relevant as anything else somebody could use to decide whether a game is worth looking at.
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I like the scores. It's the dumbass readers that are giving too much weight to the actual scores, reading too much into them, and giving them more meaning than they deserve.

 
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