PSNOT 2.0 - I kind of want to subscribe to IndieBox.

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bestkeeper14 said:
Except if you do your research, Comcast was right there with Verizon pumping money into lobbying against net neutrality in this whole fight. Most people don't realize how much money is used by Comcast to stop anything that may not give them an advantage. For instance, Comcast spent 2 million here in Colorado to stop the easy ability for Fiber companies to come in and set up shop, right around when Google was looking at Denver for the first fiber city.

Comcast is just as bad if not worse then Verizon when it comes to this, and you can bet your ass they are going to throw a hell of a lot of money to overturn the Net neutrality laws just passed.
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Agree on all, I have a love hate with comcast, I am not trying to defend them.

Im trying to get to what the point of this title II is? Is it going to increase competition? Does it mean netflix wont have to pay comcast for direct connect? If so what is that going to do to consumer rates? Comcast is only game worth a damn here and if comcast wants to keep filling the corporate coffers and cant get revenue from netflix etc, they are going to keep raising rates for their users?

 
I don't know what I like about the Jimmy John's near me better, their sandwiches or Cherry Coke being a soda fountain selection.  I almost never see that except if it's in one of those 1000 variety ones and this tastes better.

 
I think Cleaner mentioned she got the 4forFeb thing from Joystiq but NeoGAF does it every month as well.

I joined but it's not really for me, I don't need that extra motivation to complete games like some of you do (if I get through Rollers of the Realm it will be my 9th game this month).  But it's super easy to keep it going on a monthly basis.  We'll just put a link to it in the OP.  Only difference is I will make the file public so that you can all do your own editing instead of a singe person having to do it all.

But if a lot of you want to keep going with a similar thing in the future months, let me know.

 
mitch079 said:
I don't know what I like about the Jimmy John's near me better, their sandwiches or Cherry Coke being a soda fountain selection. I almost never see that except if it's in one of those 1000 variety ones and this tastes better.
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Not a fan of that coke machine, stuff just comes out tasting only slightly like I picked. Vanilla coke doesnt taste like vanilla coke from a can, know what I mean?

 
mitch079 said:
I don't know what I like about the Jimmy John's near me better, their sandwiches or Cherry Coke being a soda fountain selection. I almost never see that except if it's in one of those 1000 variety ones and this tastes better.
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Cherry Coke not normally a selection where you are? Around here most coke machines offer it, always awesome. Only thing I ever get from those 1000 variety machines is fruitpunch and/or lemonade. The sodas never taste quite right.

 
Sagemoon said:
Cherry Coke not normally a selection where you are? Around here most coke machines offer it, always awesome. Only thing I ever get from those 1000 variety machines is fruitpunch and/or lemonade. The sodas never taste quite right.
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I think someone here has said it before, but you need to douche it with some water before making your selection.

 
We like those new fangled 1000 variety soda machines. They seem fine to me. Also Cherry coke is gross unless you put in like 5% cherry coke and 95% regular coke.

 
kilik64 said:
No reason to get upset, just trying to have a civil discourse.

Whether they "throttled" due to netflix traffic or the increase in traffic through those middlemen, I dont know, I just know what I read from the paper netflix wrote which stated that cogent said comcast wasnt adding more capacity like they would do in the past.

So tell me though, what does this solve? What problem was there? Netflix paid comcast, twc, verizon, etc to direct connect to their networks, and everyone gets good service from netflix, who accounts for 35% of bandwidth in NA during peak hours.

Had they imposed unbundling, then Id be all for it, as is I dont see what this is going to accomplish?
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I am sorry you think I am upset because I used the word fucking once in a very long post, but I see you didn't bother to answer the question. I am all for a discussion on it. However, when you don't answer the posed questions, that is a bit hard, so I will try again.

1) Do you consider Comcast an internet service provider?

2) Who is Comcast serving with their service?

3) Does that agreement have any wording that says, we will decide what level of service to provide you to the internet based on the sites and traffic you receiving over our network?

4) Do they have wording that only allows you a certain amount of traffic so they can protect all their users quality of service?

If you answers are....

1) Yes

2) the end consumer who pays the bill

3) no

4) Yes

Then you are on the right track. Comcast's job as an ISP is to get you the traffic you want to see. Correct? If yes, then their job that you are paying them to do is to deliver whatever data you want. That entails adding network capacity where needed for ANY AND ALL traffic you may want. If you are using too much then the #4 question above protects them and they can throttle a given user or even drop him/her as a customer.

In this case, they want to make the site you are going to pay them for access. Why? Well it can't be because they are using too much bandwidth or they would be going after Google and Facebook as I mentioned. Could it possibly be that it is because they are a competitor for video service, their cash cow service? I certainly think so.

You are getting lost in the weeds with this peering change. It does not matter where the data comes from, Comcast should pass it along unless you are breaking their terms of service. That is what this ruling is mandating. That is what we are paying for when we pay an ISP. Nothing more, nothing less. If their costs go up due to certain users, then get that money from those users or no longer serve them.

This whole bundling thing you keep bringing up has nothing to do with net neutrality. We can have another discussion on that later if you really want to.

 
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Is CAG on the fritz or being slower than usual for anyone else? Sometimes I get long load-times or a "504 Gateway Time-out" error page.

 
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GatorBeerGeek said:
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Sorry, based comment on your tone in the post as well.

Answers you give to those 4 questions would be my answers to with the caveat that comcast services companies like netflix as well who push traffic to their end users. If comcast doesnt have good infrastructure and service then netflix loses out on potential customers as they cant get people to use their service if they cant access the service.

 
Well shit. I completed at least 4 games but not the 4 on my list. I'll just change it like you guys did so it counts as my 4forFeb

 
Gator I got 91st bernarduss 6 pack for 20.99 due to a 2 dollar off coup. Also got a Roquefort 10 and a white ale from witterker they were getting rid of. The old guy there liked it and it was 2.99 for a 750 bottlle
 
Vigilante said:
Is CAG on the fritz or being slower than usual for anyone else? Sometimes I get long load-times or a "504 Gateway Time-out" error page.
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I've been getting SSL connection errors most of the day on my work laptop, but my phone that's on the same WiFi loads CAG just fine.
 
kilik64 said:
Sorry, based comment on your tone in the post as well.

Answers you give to those 4 questions would be my answers to with the caveat that comcast services companies like netflix as well who push traffic to their end users. If comcast doesnt have good infrastructure and service then netflix loses out on potential customers as they cant get people to use their service if they cant access the service.
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No, they do not service Netflix. They service the end customer. If an ISP is generally shitty for everything in an area, then of course nobody there will sign up for Netflix. A lot of people likely won't sign up for the internet service either. The internet is the modern day utility service. It is a slippery slope when the owners of the network can dictate what can come down its pipes and with what quality of service.

If this ruling didn't happen, it actually hurts competition. Here is why. There could never be another competitor to Netflix without it. Why? They would have to charge more money from the beginning to be able to pay to play with Comcast. They could not afford that without higher rates. So who would ever even give them a chance?

 
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pharmacrest said:
Gator I got 91st bernarduss 6 pack for 20.99 due to a 2 dollar off coup. Also got a Roquefort 10 and a white ale from witterker they were getting rid of. The old guy there liked it and it was 2.99 for a 750 bottlle
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Thanks for saying what you got. I refused to ask after that begging for a response post earlier :)

I hope you typed that on your phone and/or you are already drunk. That post needed a secret decoder ring.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
Thanks for saying what you got. I refused to ask after that begging for a response post earlier :)

I hope you typed that on your phone and/or you are already drunk. That post needed a secret decoder ring.
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yeah I need to download an app to get a better keyboard or so.ething. until then I said fuck it. You get what you get. You figured it out anyway.
 
Vigilante said:
Someone needs to add a GTA UI to that video. :lol:
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I liked how they started doing the Tecmo Bowl zigzag move to escape several times. And how whoever was chasing them thought that pulling a car in front of them in a wide open area would accomplish anything. Then did it 42 more times after it didn't work.
 
Gotta go to a recital thing at the kids school.  I wish I could drink one of these beers while I was there!

I need two since the in laws will be there...

 
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GatorBeerGeek said:
No, they do not service Netflix. They service the end customer. If an ISP is generally shitty for everything in an area, then of course nobody there will sign up for Netflix. A lot of people likely won't sign up for the internet service either. The internet is the modern day utility service. It is a slippery slope when the owners of the network can dictate what can come down its pipes and with what quality of service.

If this ruling didn't happen, it actually hurts competition. Here is why. There could never be another competitor to Netflix without it. Why? They would have to charge more money from the beginning to be able to pay to play with Comcast. They could not afford that without higher rates. So who would ever even give them a chance?
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So does netflix not have to pay to direct connect to comcast etc now? Will netflix work better for everyone?

I just dont see that this fixes an issue. The real issue was lack of competition in broadband and what does this do for that? If there was competition in broadband and company a throttled netflix but company b,c,d didnt, then company a wouldnt have people subscribe who wanted netflix and would quit doing it since they would limit their customer base by doing it.

Had they added and imposed unbundling, id be all aboard. I guess I dont think they went far enough.

 
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FattyMcFarty said:
The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice.
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kilik64 said:
So does netflix not have to pay to direct connect to comcast etc now? Will netflix work better for everyone?
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They should not have to, no. It should be treated like any other traffic in the network. If there is available downstream bandwidth it will be sent down just like any other traffic would be.

I am sure, Comcast and Verizon will find some way even within these rules to make it work to their advantage.

 
I feel dirty. I kept a tab for the Mega Man Amiibo Amazon page up for the better part of the day and kept refreshing on the off-chance it would come back in stock, like what was mentioned in the Amiibo thread.

The good news: I finally got one, though it's backordered until 3/5.

The bad news: It took nearly 5 hours.

 
kilik64 said:
I just dont see that this fixes an issue. The real issue was lack of competition in broadband and what does this do for that? If there was competition in broadband and company a throttled netflix but company b,c,d didnt, then company a wouldnt have people subscribe who wanted netflix and would quit doing it since they would limit their customer base by doing it.

Real reason why comcast etc did anything like this at all is lack of competition which I dont think this addresses.
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It does in theory at least protect the next Netflix. A small upstart couldn't afford to pay Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, etc to give their traffic priority. Where the bigger services could.

A much bigger issue IMO is the last mile. Verizon, Comcast, AT&T etc have lobbied for years in many states to get laws passed to stop the local government from building their own networks. Can't have the government competing with the Telcos and Cable Cos. In many states it is illegal to the local government to provide network connectivity. In less dense areas you have shitty service and no hope of Google fiber or something else ever coming. Verizon and AT&T want you to use LTE. Verizon is letting copper die on the pole and in the ground. They just want to sell / maintain the FIOS foot print and sell wireless where FIOS isn't. The cable companies don't want competition nor do they really want to offer decent services in these areas. Much more profit to be had using decades old crappy plants and systems then spending millions to upgrade. They answer to the stock holders and don't give a crap about customers who have no real choice. DSL sucks unless you live like half a mile from the CO or remote DSLAM.

Not sure if being classified as a utility maybe starts to open up the possibility of the local governments in these states being allowed to run fiber (or have another company do so) and either sell directly or allow many other companies to sell over this fiber.

 
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I feel dirty. I kept a tab for the Mega Man Amiibo Amazon page up for the better part of the day and kept refreshing on the off-chance it would come back in stock, like what was mentioned in the Amiibo thread.

The good news: I finally got one, though it's backordered until 3/5.

The bad news: It took nearly 5 hours.
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You bastard!

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
They should not have to, no. It should be treated like any other traffic in the network. If there is available downstream bandwidth it will be sent down just like any other traffic would be.

I am sure, Comcast and Verizon will find some way even within these rules to make it work to their advantage.
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The other side of the argument is peering agreements. They have been around since the beginning days of the Internet. I want to say was like 4 to 1 on average. Meaning you could send upto 4 times of the amount of bandwidth through someone else's network without paying a fee but Neflix/Cogent was going way over that. I think to some degree peering arrangements are outdated though with tons of fiber in the ground.

And as you said Comcast and their TV service certainly has a conflict of interest here.

 
jimbo8574 said:
Not sure if being classified as a utility maybe starts to open up the possibility of the local governments in these states being allowed to run fiber (or have another company do so) and either sell directly or allow many other companies to sell over this fiber.
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I do not think it does by itself. I am pretty sure that is the next item on the list of things for them to tackle. The FCC may not have enough power to do that though. I think it might take a challenge in the court system to declare those state laws unconstitutional.

I am a self admitted fan of capitalism. With that said, the fact that governments have allowed capitalists to create laws so that they can not provide services to their constituents (especially when nobody else will) baffles me.

 
So Choice Provisions (formally Gaijan Games), the people behind the bit.trip series and thread favorite Whoa Dave!, are getting into publishing.
 
http://totallychoice.com/blog-post/introducing-choice-publishing
 
In their first three releases, they are taking over the Dragon Fantasy Book 1 & 2 games and renaming them for release on Wii U/3DS/Steam.
 
They are also publishing a PS4/Vita (and Wii U/3DS/Steam) game called Shütshimi that is descripbed as "...a randomized shoot'em up about a muscle-bound fish with memory problems defending the seven seas." (sounds fucking awesome)

http://totallychoice.com/games/shutshimi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RclIQ7QUB_k
 
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I feel dirty. I kept a tab for the Mega Man Amiibo Amazon page up for the better part of the day and kept refreshing on the off-chance it would come back in stock, like what was mentioned in the Amiibo thread.

The good news: I finally got one, though it's backordered until 3/5.

The bad news: It took nearly 5 hours.
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I thought you weren't collecting?

 
Anyone else getting a lot of the star wars black series 6 inch figures? 

Wave 9 is up for preorder on entertainment earth.

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HSA4301J#.VO-W5_nF_US

I dont get why there are two commander cody though. I wouldnt buy the full wave anyways as I dont buy anything associated with the PT, but just weird they give you 2 of the same.

I have bought a couple of other full waves when I could from here, always came in good shape and free shipping since it is 80 bucks. Figures retail for 20 anyways so actually the same as hunting down in stores but WAY less effort.

 
Zimm108 said:
So Choice Provisions (formally Gaijan Games), the people behind the bit.trip series and thread favorite Whoa Dave!, are getting into publishing.

http://totallychoice.com/blog-post/introducing-choice-publishing

In their first three releases, they are taking over the Dragon Fantasy Book 1 & 2 games and renaming them for release on Wii U/3DS/Steam.

They are also publishing a PS4/Vita (and Wii U/3DS/Steam) game called Shütshimi that is descripbed as "...a randomized shoot'em up about a muscle-bound fish with memory problems defending the seven seas." (sounds fucking awesome)

http://totallychoice.com/games/shutshimi
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C'mon, you're underselling the name! Shutshimi: Seriously Swole. That is hilarious.

Still have this awful taste in my mouth from Woah Dave though. Maybe they're be better at publishing then they are at making video games.

Unrelated to them, but Dragon Fantasy Book 2 also sucks ass.

 
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Can anyone make me laugh?

I'm on my break and I started crying at work so anything to make me not think about it would help

I'm reading the posts right now so that's helping get my mind off of it too
 
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