after learning about this news, I lost most of my hype for Yakuza 3 >.> Those small stuffs that they think are not important might just be the stuffs that keep me playing the game while i'm bored of the main missions. Honestly only if I could read japanese I buy the japanese version! And I totally agree with SynGamer. If you have to pay the same price I prefer the full product.
Sega has Cut Yakuza 3 content, Listings of entire Cuts now available.
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[quote name='SynGamer']Um, no. going from Bose to Infinity isn't the same as having features and then not having features. Nice try though. The point is, I paid for the product based on the manufacturers listed features.[/QUOTE]
well, your analogy failed and I tried to make it work. faulting me for trying to make your failed analogy make more sense is just belittling yourself and your failed attempt
good job
well, your analogy failed and I tried to make it work. faulting me for trying to make your failed analogy make more sense is just belittling yourself and your failed attempt
good job
[quote name='kurrptsenate']but thats not an accurate comparison, by any means. If they promised, say 10 characters, but were only able to add 6 by the PREVIOUS release date, which was supposed to be this month, then yes, I still would have purchased the game and be very happy with it.
But in this case, the game was pushed back so they could add what they wanted to
Seems like you failed at SAT analogies lol[/QUOTE]
Refer to the first line of my previous statement.
But in this case, the game was pushed back so they could add what they wanted to
Seems like you failed at SAT analogies lol[/QUOTE]
Refer to the first line of my previous statement.
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[quote name='genfuyung']Refer to the first line of my previous statement. [/QUOTE]
well, had your previous post ended with just that line, then I would be congratulating you...
but that's not the case
[/QUOTE]well, had your previous post ended with just that line, then I would be congratulating you...
but that's not the case
I had the game fully paid off as of last month.
Canceled my pre-order today.
It's not even what was cut that has me pissed off the most - it's how Sega has explained it. That the content wouldn't resonate with western audiences.
Remember back in the Super Nintendo/Sega Genesis age? Back when ever foreign element of a game was taken out so it wouldn't confuse Western gamers? It's this old, outdated mentality coming back.
You know why I wanted Yakuza 3? Because it's probably the closest I'll come to experiencing Japan. And I wanted to experience all of it. I can get a crime drama anywhere. I can get a beat 'em up anywhere. Yakuza 3 was the only game out there offering a glimpse into Japanese culture, and Sega of America ruined it.
How about you do this instead, Sega - leave the content in there, and let me decide if it will resonate with me or not. I don't like to have a company act like Big Brother, and treat me like a little child who can't handle foreign concepts.
If it REALLY was a matter of not having enough money to translate these things, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. Instead, you basically said it was OUR faults for having such tiny Western brains that would explode upon the realization that you can run a bar which caters to the opposite sex through casual conversation.
Canceled my pre-order today.
It's not even what was cut that has me pissed off the most - it's how Sega has explained it. That the content wouldn't resonate with western audiences.
Remember back in the Super Nintendo/Sega Genesis age? Back when ever foreign element of a game was taken out so it wouldn't confuse Western gamers? It's this old, outdated mentality coming back.
You know why I wanted Yakuza 3? Because it's probably the closest I'll come to experiencing Japan. And I wanted to experience all of it. I can get a crime drama anywhere. I can get a beat 'em up anywhere. Yakuza 3 was the only game out there offering a glimpse into Japanese culture, and Sega of America ruined it.
How about you do this instead, Sega - leave the content in there, and let me decide if it will resonate with me or not. I don't like to have a company act like Big Brother, and treat me like a little child who can't handle foreign concepts.
If it REALLY was a matter of not having enough money to translate these things, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. Instead, you basically said it was OUR faults for having such tiny Western brains that would explode upon the realization that you can run a bar which caters to the opposite sex through casual conversation.
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I can understand you canceling the preorder...definitely
but apparently they couldn't push the game back and HAD to cut something. based on this, they made the cuts based on what the felt would be less pertinent to experiencing the FULL game
but apparently they couldn't push the game back and HAD to cut something. based on this, they made the cuts based on what the felt would be less pertinent to experiencing the FULL game
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people bitch on the internetz?
since when?
since when?
Games always have things cut, ALWAYS. Never do all ideas make it into a game, same reason movies are edited down and have scenes cut. There are always reasons why, could be alot of things.
Now should Sega have done this? Maybe not, but I bet there are also other things that did't make it into the Japanes version in the first place.
You know Sega didn't have to say anything, they could have kept quiet about the whole thing and people would have had to find out.
Vote with your $$ and leave it at that. However while you all may be angry, I still think for 90% of people interested in this game this won't make or break the fun-factor for the overall game.
Anyways, I'm trying to remain nuetral and avoid any analogies so I won't say what I will do. Ultimately though, just vote with a purchase or not and sales will say if Yakuza 4 will have this done or even make it out of Japan.
An alternate option is to get a job at Sega, if any of you do that I would also be interested in a job there in Nippon.
Now should Sega have done this? Maybe not, but I bet there are also other things that did't make it into the Japanes version in the first place.
You know Sega didn't have to say anything, they could have kept quiet about the whole thing and people would have had to find out.
Vote with your $$ and leave it at that. However while you all may be angry, I still think for 90% of people interested in this game this won't make or break the fun-factor for the overall game.
Anyways, I'm trying to remain nuetral and avoid any analogies so I won't say what I will do. Ultimately though, just vote with a purchase or not and sales will say if Yakuza 4 will have this done or even make it out of Japan.
An alternate option is to get a job at Sega, if any of you do that I would also be interested in a job there in Nippon.
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[quote name='Squall835']I can't wait until all of the people bitching about this and canceling their pre-orders get pissed when Sega decides not to bring Yakuza 4 stateside.[/QUOTE]
exactly, what it boils down to is supporting a bastardized version of Yakuza 3 and and hopefully sega sees enough loyalty to the series to warrant yakuza 4 coming overseas severely outweighs "sticking" it to sega to make their deadline, missing out on yakuza 3 and then in turn missing out on yakuza 4 as well because 3 didn't get anywhere near an iota of support from western gamers.
Ya it sucks but I'll still support the game.
exactly, what it boils down to is supporting a bastardized version of Yakuza 3 and and hopefully sega sees enough loyalty to the series to warrant yakuza 4 coming overseas severely outweighs "sticking" it to sega to make their deadline, missing out on yakuza 3 and then in turn missing out on yakuza 4 as well because 3 didn't get anywhere near an iota of support from western gamers.
Ya it sucks but I'll still support the game.
[quote name='kurrptsenate']well, your analogy failed and I tried to make it work. faulting me for trying to make your failed analogy make more sense is just belittling yourself and your failed attempt
good job[/QUOTE]
Here is the last analogy of the night, You see a game you like be it Yakuza 3, Street Fighter or whatever, doesn't matter, You've been waiting for it since day one and are pumped and excited about all the things you've heard about it because there is a light chance of it being released to the states. You know the ins and outs of the game and have been begging the company to release it to the states for over a year now.
Finally after waiting so long for a actual response from them as they toy with the idea of releasing it ever so teasing you with there unprepared and degrading PR statements on how they could careless about american audiences, enough attention makes it a sound investment on their part to release the game. Great! you are beyond believe and support them even though its been over a year now and the game is practically a antique and are charging you full price, however your still excited none the less and expect to buy it day one. Several weeks go by until 2 weeks before the release. You have not heard much since they announced it assuming it was the full product and they tell you this.
We felt as if you wouldn't understand parts of the game because you are..Not Japanese and we really didn't plan our time appropriately when releasing this title so we decided that we should just cut certain parts of the game so it would... Make more sense to.. Americans. You shouldn't have any problems with the game (They neglect to tell everything they cut).
Upon further research not only do you find that they cut out several hours of content, they tell you almost at the last second and do so in a way that is extremely disrespectful. What would happen if you bought it and found out? Twice as mad from the unexpected nature of it because you could not return it after it was new.
Yakuza 4 was never going to make it even if it had our full support. However it is not to late for them to fix their error, if that same overwelming response was able to get it here, it will surely get the content back into the game. That is the least we can hope for now. Sega should have never given me a reason to doubt.
good job[/QUOTE]
Here is the last analogy of the night, You see a game you like be it Yakuza 3, Street Fighter or whatever, doesn't matter, You've been waiting for it since day one and are pumped and excited about all the things you've heard about it because there is a light chance of it being released to the states. You know the ins and outs of the game and have been begging the company to release it to the states for over a year now.
Finally after waiting so long for a actual response from them as they toy with the idea of releasing it ever so teasing you with there unprepared and degrading PR statements on how they could careless about american audiences, enough attention makes it a sound investment on their part to release the game. Great! you are beyond believe and support them even though its been over a year now and the game is practically a antique and are charging you full price, however your still excited none the less and expect to buy it day one. Several weeks go by until 2 weeks before the release. You have not heard much since they announced it assuming it was the full product and they tell you this.
We felt as if you wouldn't understand parts of the game because you are..Not Japanese and we really didn't plan our time appropriately when releasing this title so we decided that we should just cut certain parts of the game so it would... Make more sense to.. Americans. You shouldn't have any problems with the game (They neglect to tell everything they cut).
Upon further research not only do you find that they cut out several hours of content, they tell you almost at the last second and do so in a way that is extremely disrespectful. What would happen if you bought it and found out? Twice as mad from the unexpected nature of it because you could not return it after it was new.
Yakuza 4 was never going to make it even if it had our full support. However it is not to late for them to fix their error, if that same overwelming response was able to get it here, it will surely get the content back into the game. That is the least we can hope for now. Sega should have never given me a reason to doubt.
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[quote name='Squall835']I can't wait until all of the people bitching about this and canceling their pre-orders get pissed when Sega decides not to bring Yakuza 4 stateside.[/QUOTE]
Poor sales didn't stop them from bringing three of them over. Four will come stateside eventually too.
Poor sales didn't stop them from bringing three of them over. Four will come stateside eventually too.
to the people who don't understand why anyone would cancel a preorder on a game like this....... It's quite simple. Most pre-ordering people did so to show support for Sega releasing games like this in the future. Most will buy it eventually when the price drops, however by dropping preorders they're showing sega they don't appreciate significant portions of games being ass
ed in localization.
Taking out quizes and hostess clubs from the game won't affect the entire game over, but it certainly drowns out any goodwill support garnered. After all most people will probably be busy playing FFXIII & GOW3 until this game hits $30 anyway.
ed in localization. Taking out quizes and hostess clubs from the game won't affect the entire game over, but it certainly drowns out any goodwill support garnered. After all most people will probably be busy playing FFXIII & GOW3 until this game hits $30 anyway.
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From my understanding, Sega took out a history quiz game and some parts related to the hostess clubs. I really hope the option is available in the future as download content.
I guess I'll just wait for a price drop since Sega decided to cut content and not give the U.S. a limited edition/premium pack. I actually enjoyed managing a hostess club and answering the hostess girls questions wrong on purpose in Yakuza 2.
I guess I'll just wait for a price drop since Sega decided to cut content and not give the U.S. a limited edition/premium pack. I actually enjoyed managing a hostess club and answering the hostess girls questions wrong on purpose in Yakuza 2.
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Tsk tsk...
I still don't see why everybody is hot and bothered over this. It's a small and insignificant part of the game. Hey, it's your loss if you don't want to play one of the best PS3 games of recent vintage. It will make it easier for people to find a copy.
I still don't see why everybody is hot and bothered over this. It's a small and insignificant part of the game. Hey, it's your loss if you don't want to play one of the best PS3 games of recent vintage. It will make it easier for people to find a copy.
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[quote name='lustyhitter']Tsk tsk...
I still don't see why everybody is hot and bothered over this. It's a small and insignificant part of the game. Hey, it's your loss if you don't want to play one of the best PS3 games of recent vintage. It will make it easier for people to find a copy.[/QUOTE]
Think of it in these two ways. Say when they brought over Final Fantasy VII, they took out the Golden Saucer mini-games. They tell you, hey, it's not part of the story, and it's modeled after a Japanese arcade. Oh, and the dating mini-game's gone too, because Americans won't like that part of the game. I personally know many people who thought the Golden Saucer was the best part of the game. Or worse, hey, we took out all the bonus Weapon bosses, because we think it's too hard for Americans.
Or this one. We're selling vanilla frosted chocolate cupcakes with sprinkles. You see people eating them, and think, hey, that looks good. Then you get in line to buy it, pay the same price, and they hand you one without sprinkles. Well, that sucks. I just lost the sprinkles on my cupcake when everyone else had it.
See either of these cases. They're not vital, but who is Sega to tell people if they like the Golden Saucer and sprinkles?
I still don't see why everybody is hot and bothered over this. It's a small and insignificant part of the game. Hey, it's your loss if you don't want to play one of the best PS3 games of recent vintage. It will make it easier for people to find a copy.[/QUOTE]
Think of it in these two ways. Say when they brought over Final Fantasy VII, they took out the Golden Saucer mini-games. They tell you, hey, it's not part of the story, and it's modeled after a Japanese arcade. Oh, and the dating mini-game's gone too, because Americans won't like that part of the game. I personally know many people who thought the Golden Saucer was the best part of the game. Or worse, hey, we took out all the bonus Weapon bosses, because we think it's too hard for Americans.
Or this one. We're selling vanilla frosted chocolate cupcakes with sprinkles. You see people eating them, and think, hey, that looks good. Then you get in line to buy it, pay the same price, and they hand you one without sprinkles. Well, that sucks. I just lost the sprinkles on my cupcake when everyone else had it.
See either of these cases. They're not vital, but who is Sega to tell people if they like the Golden Saucer and sprinkles?
Oh, and Cloud + Barrett ftw. :lol:
Its NOT JUST THE HOSTESS CLUBS AND QUIZ GAMES!!! They have not said exactly said what they've taken out but from what I've been reading its sounds pretty significant content if it cuts out 5 Trophies worth. We are looking at about 3 hours of content here.
Yakuza 3 is to losing hostess clubs/content as is to Final Fantasy 13 having no towns/few NPC and being linear as is to God of War 3 being 30-40 FPS and 720p (although thats hardly a complaint)
Yakuza 3 is to losing hostess clubs/content as is to Final Fantasy 13 having no towns/few NPC and being linear as is to God of War 3 being 30-40 FPS and 720p (although thats hardly a complaint)
[quote name='phantasyx']Its NOT JUST THE HOSTESS CLUBS AND QUIZ GAMES!!! They have not said exactly said what they've taken out but from what I've been reading its sounds pretty significant content if it cuts out 5 Trophies worth. We are looking at about 3 hours of content here.
Yakuza 3 is to losing hostess clubs/content as is to Final Fantasy 13 having no towns/few NPC and being linear as is to God of War 3 being 30-40 FPS and 720p (although thats hardly a complaint)[/QUOTE]
FFXIII being linear and having no towns/few NPCs has nothing to do with the content cut from Yakuza. FFXIII was designed the way it is and released as such.
Yakuza 3 is to losing hostess clubs/content as is to Final Fantasy 13 having no towns/few NPC and being linear as is to God of War 3 being 30-40 FPS and 720p (although thats hardly a complaint)[/QUOTE]
FFXIII being linear and having no towns/few NPCs has nothing to do with the content cut from Yakuza. FFXIII was designed the way it is and released as such.
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[quote name='Squall835']I can't wait until all of the people bitching about this and canceling their pre-orders get pissed when Sega decides not to bring Yakuza 4 stateside.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, what s/he said. Do you think they'll put this in as DLC if they barely sell any copies? I think not. If you want the cut content and Yakuza 4, then you had better support the game. At the same time though, send hate mail to Sega telling them that you're their customer and you want the missing parts of the game.
I just pre-ordered my copy at the wretched GameStop; it was a hard decision, but I wanted the bonus stuff. I hope I don't regret this later. Anyway, if I was a hardcore fan, I'd get this game even if they cut the content...
Yeah, what s/he said. Do you think they'll put this in as DLC if they barely sell any copies? I think not. If you want the cut content and Yakuza 4, then you had better support the game. At the same time though, send hate mail to Sega telling them that you're their customer and you want the missing parts of the game.
I just pre-ordered my copy at the wretched GameStop; it was a hard decision, but I wanted the bonus stuff. I hope I don't regret this later. Anyway, if I was a hardcore fan, I'd get this game even if they cut the content...
[quote name='SynGamer']FFXIII being linear and having no towns/few NPCs has nothing to do with the content cut from Yakuza. FFXIII was designed the way it is and released as such.[/QUOTE]
I know about FF13 but to me it was just as disappointing when I found out about it.
Sega people remove all Japanese people from Yakuza 3 because they are too Japanese for Americans.
I know about FF13 but to me it was just as disappointing when I found out about it.
Sega people remove all Japanese people from Yakuza 3 because they are too Japanese for Americans.
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[quote name='phantasyx']Its NOT JUST THE HOSTESS CLUBS AND QUIZ GAMES!!! They have not said exactly said what they've taken out but from what I've been reading its sounds pretty significant content if it cuts out 5 Trophies worth. We are looking at about 3 hours of content here.
Yakuza 3 is to losing hostess clubs/content as is to Final Fantasy 13 having no towns/few NPC and being linear as is to God of War 3 being 30-40 FPS and 720p (although thats hardly a complaint)[/QUOTE]
That's full of shit and you know it bro. FF13 has NO exploration WHAT SO EVER. Yakuza 3 has some stuff cut out. Sure it sucks, but there's still plenty of shit to do and explore. Final Fantasy 13 was essentially neutered due to killing off towns and that sort of thing. Yakuza 3 is just hampered. It blows, but it's not that essential.
Yakuza 3 is to losing hostess clubs/content as is to Final Fantasy 13 having no towns/few NPC and being linear as is to God of War 3 being 30-40 FPS and 720p (although thats hardly a complaint)[/QUOTE]
That's full of shit and you know it bro. FF13 has NO exploration WHAT SO EVER. Yakuza 3 has some stuff cut out. Sure it sucks, but there's still plenty of shit to do and explore. Final Fantasy 13 was essentially neutered due to killing off towns and that sort of thing. Yakuza 3 is just hampered. It blows, but it's not that essential.
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[quote name='jh6269']At the same time though, send hate mail to Sega telling them that you're their customer and you want the missing parts of the game.[/QUOTE]
The only way to tell them you want something is to send them mail and refuse to buy the game.
The only way to tell them you want something is to send them mail and refuse to buy the game.
[quote name='jh6269']Yeah, what s/he said. Do you think they'll put this in as DLC if they barely sell any copies? I think not. If you want the cut content and Yakuza 4, then you had better support the game. At the same time though, send hate mail to Sega telling them that you're their customer and you want the missing parts of the game.
I just pre-ordered my copy at the wretched GameStop; it was a hard decision, but I wanted the bonus stuff. I hope I don't regret this later. Anyway, if I was a hardcore fan, I'd get this game even if they cut the content...[/QUOTE]
So wait, if I support neutered game "X", the sequel, "X 2" will assuredly be released in the US without any cuts? How did you come to that conclusion?
Buying Yakuza 3 in an edited form is simply saying, "I don't mind playing an inferior product, continue screwing me over in the same way". As it stands, I could give a if Yakuza 4 ever comes out here if they're going to remove chunks of the games. Let the franchise die.
I just pre-ordered my copy at the wretched GameStop; it was a hard decision, but I wanted the bonus stuff. I hope I don't regret this later. Anyway, if I was a hardcore fan, I'd get this game even if they cut the content...[/QUOTE]
So wait, if I support neutered game "X", the sequel, "X 2" will assuredly be released in the US without any cuts? How did you come to that conclusion?
Buying Yakuza 3 in an edited form is simply saying, "I don't mind playing an inferior product, continue screwing me over in the same way". As it stands, I could give a
if Yakuza 4 ever comes out here if they're going to remove chunks of the games. Let the franchise die.
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Look, you can't bleed a turnip... that's what I'm saying. If you notice, the games that get DLC are the _popular_ games. This is because the publisher knows that throwing more money at a franchise is going to be a sure-fire hit. IF you don't buy the game, Sega is going to say that the it was a complete failure--they're not going to invest more in the DLC. Furthermore, they're not going to release Yakuza 4 either.
If somehow, miraculously the game is a huge success (very unlikely), you bet you'll get your hostess club DLC within a month.
Look at Fallout 3 and Uncharted 2, etc., they have tons of DLC. There are a few stragglers that did not do well, but still got DLC, but those were games that were thought to have been a sure-fire hit.
If it wasn't a big deal to translate it, I'm sure it would be in the game. But my guess is that this was a calculated decision... they had a budget, and they chose what they thought was the portion of the game that wouldn't be missed. They were wrong, but that's what I believe they were thinking.
Everyone that was interested in this game in the first place should buy this game and justify the investment in DLC for Sega.
Yeah, I know this is speculation, but it makes sense to me at least.
Look, you can't bleed a turnip... that's what I'm saying. If you notice, the games that get DLC are the _popular_ games. This is because the publisher knows that throwing more money at a franchise is going to be a sure-fire hit. IF you don't buy the game, Sega is going to say that the it was a complete failure--they're not going to invest more in the DLC. Furthermore, they're not going to release Yakuza 4 either.
If somehow, miraculously the game is a huge success (very unlikely), you bet you'll get your hostess club DLC within a month.
Look at Fallout 3 and Uncharted 2, etc., they have tons of DLC. There are a few stragglers that did not do well, but still got DLC, but those were games that were thought to have been a sure-fire hit.
If it wasn't a big deal to translate it, I'm sure it would be in the game. But my guess is that this was a calculated decision... they had a budget, and they chose what they thought was the portion of the game that wouldn't be missed. They were wrong, but that's what I believe they were thinking.
Everyone that was interested in this game in the first place should buy this game and justify the investment in DLC for Sega.
Yeah, I know this is speculation, but it makes sense to me at least.
I hear you, I honestly do but it isn't our job as consumers to prop up companies. To me, that seems backwards. Game companies need to make games that people straight up want to buy because they are interested in the current game, not because they want the game's sequel in two years.
I respect people's decision to buy the game regardless of the admittedly small cuts, it's their money, I'm not going to tell anyone what to buy or not buy. At the same time, I feel that such a purchase would be viewed as condoning questionable publishing or editing decisions and I don't plan on doing it. As it stands, I'll wait for a couple price drops and see if some DLC materializes. If there's a scenario where the game drops to $30 and can be "completed" by purchasing an additional $10 worth of DLC, I'll probably bite.
I respect people's decision to buy the game regardless of the admittedly small cuts, it's their money, I'm not going to tell anyone what to buy or not buy. At the same time, I feel that such a purchase would be viewed as condoning questionable publishing or editing decisions and I don't plan on doing it. As it stands, I'll wait for a couple price drops and see if some DLC materializes. If there's a scenario where the game drops to $30 and can be "completed" by purchasing an additional $10 worth of DLC, I'll probably bite.
[quote name='Halo05']I hear you, I honestly do but it isn't our job as consumers to prop up companies. To me, that seems backwards. Game companies need to make games that people straight up want to buy because they are interested in the current game, not because they want the game's sequel in two years.
I respect people's decision to buy the game regardless of the admittedly small cuts, it's their money, I'm not going to tell anyone what to buy or not buy. At the same time, I feel that such a purchase would be viewed as condoning questionable publishing or editing decisions and I don't plan on doing it. As it stands, I'll wait for a couple price drops and see if some DLC materializes. If there's a scenario where the game drops to $30 and can be "completed" by purchasing an additional $10 worth of DLC, I'll probably bite.[/QUOTE]
This, that, and everything else you said I agree with. I'll wait, see if SEGA released the content as DLC...and if they do I'll definitely be sure to see if/how much they charge. If it's free or a reasonably small price, I'm in, but I'm not going to pay $5-10 for content that should have been on the disc to begin with.
I respect people's decision to buy the game regardless of the admittedly small cuts, it's their money, I'm not going to tell anyone what to buy or not buy. At the same time, I feel that such a purchase would be viewed as condoning questionable publishing or editing decisions and I don't plan on doing it. As it stands, I'll wait for a couple price drops and see if some DLC materializes. If there's a scenario where the game drops to $30 and can be "completed" by purchasing an additional $10 worth of DLC, I'll probably bite.[/QUOTE]
This, that, and everything else you said I agree with. I'll wait, see if SEGA released the content as DLC...and if they do I'll definitely be sure to see if/how much they charge. If it's free or a reasonably small price, I'm in, but I'm not going to pay $5-10 for content that should have been on the disc to begin with.
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Well, I would normally agree with you, but this is a special case in my estimation. In this case, you're not supporting the company (Sega) you're supporting the franchise (Yakuza). From what I understand, the announcement that this game was coming to NA was a huge surprise. So you can deduce that it was probably fan service, or a gamble. Why would someone bring out an obscure title that doesn't have a history of selling well? They're hoping to stoke interest in the franchise with the hopes that it will do well. If it does well, my guess is that we'll see the DLC and the sequel.
Anyway, what I'm saying is for something like FF13, you're going to have more leverage in canceling your pre-order than you will with Yakuza 3.
But at this point, I doubt this title will sell. Everyone's having a shit-fit because of this missing part, so I'll bet it fails miserably (hope I'm wrong).
Well, I would normally agree with you, but this is a special case in my estimation. In this case, you're not supporting the company (Sega) you're supporting the franchise (Yakuza). From what I understand, the announcement that this game was coming to NA was a huge surprise. So you can deduce that it was probably fan service, or a gamble. Why would someone bring out an obscure title that doesn't have a history of selling well? They're hoping to stoke interest in the franchise with the hopes that it will do well. If it does well, my guess is that we'll see the DLC and the sequel.
Anyway, what I'm saying is for something like FF13, you're going to have more leverage in canceling your pre-order than you will with Yakuza 3.
But at this point, I doubt this title will sell. Everyone's having a shit-fit because of this missing part, so I'll bet it fails miserably (hope I'm wrong).
I hope no one forgot the shi++y job Sega did with porting Bayonetta, I think we all cryed out on that one. They didn't port it properly and every one came together and complained how there was no Install feature and they went and hired sony to add it. I simply made this thread to get awareness out that Sega is trying to half ass something again and we need to speak out on the matter.
By all means its ok to get the game, this is something though that justifies it not to get the game DAY 1 or week or month 1. Once it drops in price or you find it at a good price, by all means I recommend getting it. However this is inexusable to let them try to get away with cutting content and then calling us all stupid, overcharge us and taking our money.
By all means its ok to get the game, this is something though that justifies it not to get the game DAY 1 or week or month 1. Once it drops in price or you find it at a good price, by all means I recommend getting it. However this is inexusable to let them try to get away with cutting content and then calling us all stupid, overcharge us and taking our money.
[quote name='Paco']That's full of shit and you know it bro. FF13 has NO exploration WHAT SO EVER. Yakuza 3 has some stuff cut out. Sure it sucks, but there's still plenty of shit to do and explore. Final Fantasy 13 was essentially neutered due to killing off towns and that sort of thing. Yakuza 3 is just hampered. It blows, but it's not that essential.[/QUOTE]
Paco don't act like you didn't take down that Signiture with Yakuza 3 and Final Fantasy 13! I remember that, I don't see it now though!
Paco don't act like you didn't take down that Signiture with Yakuza 3 and Final Fantasy 13! I remember that, I don't see it now though!
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I don't really want to pay for DLC that it is already in the game in the first place. 
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[quote name='phantasyx']I hope no one forgot the shi++y job Sega did with porting Bayonetta, I think we all cryed out on that one. They didn't port it properly and every one came together and complained how there was no Install feature and they went and hired sony to add it. I simply made this thread to get awareness out that Sega is trying to half ass something again and we need to speak out on the matter.
By all means its ok to get the game, this is something though that justifies it not to get the game DAY 1 or week or month 1. Once it drops in price or you find it at a good price, by all means I recommend getting it. However this is inexusable to let them try to get away with cutting content and then calling us all stupid, overcharge us and taking our money.[/QUOTE]
Well, I hope it works... I just think this is a different case than Bayonetta. Bayonetta was a highly anticipated title by both PS3 and 360 owners. There was a good amount of buzz about it, but when the PS3 version was so blatantly inferior, Sega had to do something about it (there were enough people to to complain about it. It was so bad that the developer of the 360 version didn't even want their name on the PS3 port). But in this case, it seems like there's a small pool of fans that will buy this game to begin with, so if they don't buy it, then it's probably not going to cause Sega to invest any more into the title.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm getting the game b/c I wasn't able to play the first two. I don't think I'll miss the content that's gone b/c I don't know what I'm missing anyway.
By all means its ok to get the game, this is something though that justifies it not to get the game DAY 1 or week or month 1. Once it drops in price or you find it at a good price, by all means I recommend getting it. However this is inexusable to let them try to get away with cutting content and then calling us all stupid, overcharge us and taking our money.[/QUOTE]
Well, I hope it works... I just think this is a different case than Bayonetta. Bayonetta was a highly anticipated title by both PS3 and 360 owners. There was a good amount of buzz about it, but when the PS3 version was so blatantly inferior, Sega had to do something about it (there were enough people to to complain about it. It was so bad that the developer of the 360 version didn't even want their name on the PS3 port). But in this case, it seems like there's a small pool of fans that will buy this game to begin with, so if they don't buy it, then it's probably not going to cause Sega to invest any more into the title.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm getting the game b/c I wasn't able to play the first two. I don't think I'll miss the content that's gone b/c I don't know what I'm missing anyway.
2/25/2010 Update!
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/02/24...with-yakuza-3/
Sega has confirmed that our voices are being heard! While they still haven't decided to add the removed content, they are feeling the full effect of our pressure and we must not let off them until they give us what we want!. So far they have now pre-packed some DLC codes (I believe the same from gamestop but am not sure) with in the copies that will be available but I am sure they will fold and add the content. Keep up the Great work responding to them!
Someone also Made a Excellent point of how the Currency in the game is Crippled because your suppose to waste your money on the hostesses and the club management that is being removed, yes apparently you could have managed a entire hostess club. FML
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/02/24...with-yakuza-3/
Sega has confirmed that our voices are being heard! While they still haven't decided to add the removed content, they are feeling the full effect of our pressure and we must not let off them until they give us what we want!. So far they have now pre-packed some DLC codes (I believe the same from gamestop but am not sure) with in the copies that will be available but I am sure they will fold and add the content. Keep up the Great work responding to them!
Someone also Made a Excellent point of how the Currency in the game is Crippled because your suppose to waste your money on the hostesses and the club management that is being removed, yes apparently you could have managed a entire hostess club. FML
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See, this is what bitching will get you...results! I still find it hard to believe people would buy a crippled version of the game, blinding thinking that by showing support that Yakuza 4 will be better...worst.logic.ever.
EDIT: And by 'results' I mean a response/reaction. SEGA has heard us and the ball is now in their court to shape how this game does sales wise. Will be following this closely to see if they add in the Hostess Club(s) for the games' release.
EDIT: And by 'results' I mean a response/reaction. SEGA has heard us and the ball is now in their court to shape how this game does sales wise. Will be following this closely to see if they add in the Hostess Club(s) for the games' release.
[quote name='SynGamer']See, this is what bitching will get you...results! I still find it hard to believe people would buy a crippled version of the game, blinding thinking that by showing support that Yakuza 4 will be better...worst.logic.ever.
EDIT: And by 'results' I mean a response/reaction. SEGA has heard us and the ball is now in their court to shape how this game does sales wise. Will be following this closely to see if they add in the Hostess Club(s) for the games' release.[/QUOTE]
"Ultimately, the choice that had to be made was either no Yakuza 3 in the west, or a version of the game that was almost exactly the same, but with a little less trivia."
They don't even mention it, they are STILL trying to BULL SH!+ us even now like they don't even know what we are talking about! Seriously what are you going to do with Millions of yen in your wallet, I know that they didn't tweek all the currency. the Club and the Hostesses and some of the mini games were suppose to drain some of your money.
Sega is Royally pissing me off now.
EDIT: And by 'results' I mean a response/reaction. SEGA has heard us and the ball is now in their court to shape how this game does sales wise. Will be following this closely to see if they add in the Hostess Club(s) for the games' release.[/QUOTE]
"Ultimately, the choice that had to be made was either no Yakuza 3 in the west, or a version of the game that was almost exactly the same, but with a little less trivia."
They don't even mention it, they are STILL trying to BULL SH!+ us even now like they don't even know what we are talking about! Seriously what are you going to do with Millions of yen in your wallet, I know that they didn't tweek all the currency. the Club and the Hostesses and some of the mini games were suppose to drain some of your money.
Sega is Royally pissing me off now.
[quote name='SynGamer']See, this is what bitching will get you...results! I still find it hard to believe people would buy a crippled version of the game, blinding thinking that by showing support that Yakuza 4 will be better...worst.logic.ever.[/QUOTE]
Wow -- I didn't realize that taking out the hostess section made the game utterly unplayable. Thanks for the hyperbole!
[quote name='phantasyx']Someone also Made a Excellent point of how the Currency in the game is Crippled because your suppose to waste your money on the hostesses and the club management that is being removed, yes apparently you could have managed a entire hostess club. FML[/QUOTE]
Never considered that -- good point!
Wow -- I didn't realize that taking out the hostess section made the game utterly unplayable. Thanks for the hyperbole!
[quote name='phantasyx']Someone also Made a Excellent point of how the Currency in the game is Crippled because your suppose to waste your money on the hostesses and the club management that is being removed, yes apparently you could have managed a entire hostess club. FML[/QUOTE]
Never considered that -- good point!
[quote name='Ecofreak']Wow -- I didn't realize that taking out the hostess section made the game utterly unplayable. Thanks for the hyperbole! [/QUOTE]
It does though. I mean aside from the game being just pointless to play it lowers the length of the game by at least 0-20mins.
[/QUOTE]It does though. I mean aside from the game being just pointless to play it lowers the length of the game by at least 0-20mins.
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Now that I think about it, Sega spilling the beans before release makes them a little better than other companies that cut content quietly -- its better than the consumer finding it out later once they have opened and played the game. *coughNISAcough*
At the very least they are giving people the chance to cancel and save cash.
At the very least they are giving people the chance to cancel and save cash.
Kotaku has officially backed our cause:
http://kotaku.com/5478862/sega-you-are-once-again-making-a-giant-mistake
Don't be ignorant. We are talking about a game crippling experience for many people.
http://kotaku.com/5478862/sega-you-are-once-again-making-a-giant-mistake
Don't be ignorant. We are talking about a game crippling experience for many people.
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Here is the GameStop pre-order stuff:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/peruse-yakuza-3s-pre-order-bonuses/
So I guess if they gut your game, you can refuse b/c they may have stolen your codes that are packed in.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/peruse-yakuza-3s-pre-order-bonuses/
So I guess if they gut your game, you can refuse b/c they may have stolen your codes that are packed in.
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[quote name='phantasyx']Seriously? If you vote no Please explain yourself in this forum at the very least! I want to know why you'd let sega cut content from your game then charge you full price.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100% with this but at least it's coming to the US.
Agree 100% with this but at least it's coming to the US.
[quote name='jh6269']Here is the GameStop pre-order stuff:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/peruse-yakuza-3s-pre-order-bonuses/
So I guess if they gut your game, you can refuse b/c they may have stolen your codes that are packed in.
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I'm thinking Sega is adding this to all copies now or its free, idk for sure though but thats what it sounded like from there blog. Gamestop has been known to Bluff on its pre-order exclusives.
March 5th on the Japanese PSN they are releasing the Demo for Yakuza 4, some details on whats included are 2 modes 1 where you play as the various characters in the game (there will be 4 and probably 2 playable in the demo). The 2nd mode is like a 4 person battle mode where I'm thinking you play online with others to battle enemies or something. From what I read it seems like it will be way better then its predecessor.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/peruse-yakuza-3s-pre-order-bonuses/
So I guess if they gut your game, you can refuse b/c they may have stolen your codes that are packed in.
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I'm thinking Sega is adding this to all copies now or its free, idk for sure though but thats what it sounded like from there blog. Gamestop has been known to Bluff on its pre-order exclusives.
March 5th on the Japanese PSN they are releasing the Demo for Yakuza 4, some details on whats included are 2 modes 1 where you play as the various characters in the game (there will be 4 and probably 2 playable in the demo). The 2nd mode is like a 4 person battle mode where I'm thinking you play online with others to battle enemies or something. From what I read it seems like it will be way better then its predecessor.
Good news – I can confirm that eventually the DLC (the Gamestop Exclusive stuff) will also come out for download. Those who pre-order will have it first and for an exclusive period of time, but we aren’t going to penalize fans by completely locking it away forever.
-via Playstation US blog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9tqQWagwO4
-via Playstation US blog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9tqQWagwO4
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