So why does every one on here hate Sony.

Well sure, its not suprising that you might find a lot of people changing their tune and buying it once the situation changes.

I'm still adamant against DLC among other things, a price drop and software wont change that.
 
yeah I know, you're only happy playing a wii on a tv from 1970 via an RF switch. :lol: jk


the DLC thing is especially funny though (not just for CAG, but the gaming community as a whole.) the pattern: Every XBLA game that's about to come out is the "OMG best game ever." If it gets delayed, squads of people from every forum raise hell about how the best game ever keeps getting pushed back. then it comes out to much fanfare for the first day or so after its release.

then a week later, the thread about the game dies, and pretty much nobody on XBL ever plays it again. :lol:
 
I don't exactly hate sony, but I dislike them. Sony is just so freaking arrogant w/ the PS3 despite everyone knowing they have made major mistakes with it. Or heck, no second analog stick on the PSP, which was just idiotic.

The arrogance just got to me after a while. Then they lost all their exclusives except for MGS and FF and any interest in a PS3 outside of being more cool electronic junk to collect disappeared for me. The blatant last minute motion sensing ripoff. The $600 price tag. The crappy online. The lack of support for 1080i.

It just all adds up to a dislike of Sony for me and trying to discourage anyone I know from buying a PS3. $600 for 2 exclusives is not worth it.

If they released a console with great exclusive games, great online and a reasonable pircepoint, I would have no probably buying a Sony console. But for now its just a constant dislike. I'll stick with my 360 with exclusives I love, great online and a company that seems to get what I want as a gamer.
 
I like Sony, I'm currently enjoying my PSP but yet I still get labeled a Nintendo fanboy. I don't agree with everything Sony does but then again I don't agree with everything Nintendo does either, or Microsoft for that matter. I think all 3 companies have their own shortcomings.
 
[quote name='jkam']I like Sony, I'm currently enjoying my PSP but yet I still get labeled a Nintendo fanboy. I don't agree with everything Sony does but then again I don't agree with everything Nintendo does either, or Microsoft for that matter. I think all 3 companies have their own shortcomings.[/quote]Quiet fanboy. Go play your stupid last gen games and wave your controller around.

Some people...
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']Because Sony fucked something up that could have been great. I adored the PS1, two, and enjoy my PSP quite a bit. It's almost like a betrayal.[/quote]
:applause: QFT.
 
It has a lot to do with the price of the system and the lack of quality games. However, most launches lack great titles and some feel the price can be easily justified, in comparison with the 360. It could be that the majority of those who bash Sony own other systems and hope theirs will win this generation.

However, there are plenty of PS3 owners, such as myself, who actually want/expect Sony to do well, but are disappointed with what the PS3 has offered thus-far. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sony came out on top again, but at this point there just aren't a whole lot of exclusives or other reasons for people to pick the PS3 over a Wii or 360.
 
The thing that irks me about PS3 haters is that every excuse they come up with can also be said of Microsoft.

Arrogance - Microsoft still refuses to admit that there's quality and design issues, even after it's been discovered that they're just now adding extra cooling to repaired 360's. Plus, can anyone honestly say that Microsoft is a kind-hearted, gentle, multi-national corporation.

Betraying the customer - Microsoft Game Studios abandoned making games for the original XBOX six months before the 360 was released. (I believe Conker was the last. Please correct me if I'm wrong)

Blu-Ray - If Microsoft didn't have their own agenda, why the hell did they release the HD-DVD add-on?

Game Line-up - Sure, it's lacking, but what did the 360 have worth mentioning 6 months after launch? Let's see... Kameo, DOA4, Oblivion, GRAW... Yup, that's it.

Now there are things that piss me off about Sony too. I would love to have a better PS Store and they've failed to deliver on several occasions.

On the other hand, I own a Sony digital camera, Sony Ericsson phone, Sony high-end headphones and earbuds, Sony drives in my computers....And they're all better quality and more reliable than most other brand electronics I've owned. So why should I hate them?

Fanboys will be fanboys, and nothing can be done about it.
 
[quote name='62t']I like my PS2 and PSP[/quote]

Likewise - I'm enjoying my PS2 & PSP (w/ custom firmware) as well.

I don't hate sony, but I'm not going to pay $600 for a console... the cager in me will never allow such a thing.
 
* Katuragi was a dumbass near the end of his career.

* Sony has gotten progressively more arrogant as they became more successful with Playstation.

* The PS3 SUCKS in game library right now

* Sony is the current leader overall, in console gaming. People like'ta throw rocks at top dogs.

Lotsa other reasons, but those come to mind. Only thing that ever really bothered me a lot was Katuragi. Glad he's moved on.
 
[quote name='richbastard']Why is thier so much negative energy toward Sony on the cheapgamers forums. The mention of Sony or Any PS console brings waves of that console sucks or its repetitive. Its like everyone who hates Sony decided to meet up at here.[/QUOTE]

I see animosity towards the PS3 & Sony itself, little else. I for one dislike both, but will openly admit that PS1 was one fine system, and that PS2 might very well be the undisputed best ever.

The problem with PS3 is easy enough to understand; it's supposed to be the successor to one of the best consoles ever, and right out the gate it's sucking something fierce. That and it's a Blu-Ray player that's disguised as a VG machine.

EDIT: Funny I left out the biggest reason most CAGs dislike the PS3; it's $600, and most folks who come here are against shelling out dough on stuff that just doesn't warrant the price tag.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']

EDIT: Funny I left out the biggest reason most CAGs dislike the PS3; it's $600, and most folks who come here are against shelling out dough on stuff that just doesn't warrant the price tag.[/QUOTE]

I should just delete my old post and copy and paste your reason. Granted the Sony fanboys will claim I am just a poor kid with no job and that I should get a job.
 
I'm not more of a fan of either system...but for those people who believe the 360 is a better system...there is a 51+ page thread on 'how good the 360 hardware is'..
 
For the record... what's the problem with the PS3... cause its not graphics, it doesn't overheat, it's online... , its backwards compatible. We know good games are coming. But fresh out of the box, the ps3 surpasses the 360 and Wii.

I know its expensive and a lot of people dont want to spend 600, however, that makes the system unaffordable, but that doesnt mean that its a bad system. For what you're getting right now... I don't think that anyone can say that the system is overpriced. Especially when you try to put a similar package together on the 360 (plus 200 dollar HD-DVD).
 
[quote name='Thomas96']For the record... what's the problem with the PS3... cause its not graphics, it doesn't overheat, it's online... , its backwards compatible. We know good games are coming. But fresh out of the box, the ps3 surpasses the 360 and Wii.

I know its expensive and a lot of people dont want to spend 600, however, that makes the system unaffordable, but that doesnt mean that its a bad system. For what you're getting right now... I don't think that anyone can say that the system is overpriced. Especially when you try to put a similar package together on the 360 (plus 200 dollar HD-DVD).[/quote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
 
Personally I'm not buying any next gen system yet and I have plenty of PS2 games, which on my not so big not HD tv look excellent, that I need to play. By the time I get through them, these new systems will probably be in the $200 range and I'll probably get a wii and or PS3 depending on where all the rpgs go (I think it's a safe bet 360 will not get them, but if it does I'd throw that in the running too).


People forget that most PS2 systems were probably sold after price drops, and it's still one of the top selling systems with good reason. I still think PS2 has the best lineup for this year, without a doubt, so why buy a PS3 yet unless you have a awesome tv for blu ray and upscaling.
 
I like my Sony systems that I currently have. I don't have a PS3 yet but if it had been 400 bucks, I probably would've gotten one by now.

My primary reason for hating Sony is that they put Lik-Sang out of business. Not because Lik-Sang was selling pirated games or anything but because Lik-Sang was allowing consumers in Europe to buy PSPs for less than Sony of Europe was. So fuck Sony, I hope they lose this war.
 
I wouldn't say I hate on them, but the "yes men" in that company drives me nuts.

[quote name='guinaevere']Sony made fun of my ponytails back in 2nd grade, and I guess the scar never really healed.[/quote]

Hehe, I hope you don't mind me quoting that in my signature. :lol:
 
[quote name='Thomas96']For the record... what's the problem with the PS3... cause its not graphics, it doesn't overheat, it's online... , its backwards compatible. We know good games are coming. But fresh out of the box, the ps3 surpasses the 360 and Wii.

I know its expensive and a lot of people dont want to spend 600, however, that makes the system unaffordable, but that doesnt mean that its a bad system. For what you're getting right now... I don't think that anyone can say that the system is overpriced. Especially when you try to put a similar package together on the 360 (plus 200 dollar HD-DVD).[/quote]

Thomas, you are always adamantly defending the PS3. Can you name a single void it fills that any other system doesn't offer at this time, often for a cheaper price?

Graphics don't make good gameplay. Graphics don't make games fun.

That's great that it doesn't overheat. My 360 and Wii don't overheat either. What's your point? If overheating truely was a major problem, it would have been addressed by Microsoft or Nintendo by this point in time. You fail to realize that you are going to hear complaints about a system from people on the Internet. You certainly don't see people posting threads with "I'm so happy with my system, it works perfectly for me, it couldn't get much better". People love to complain.


"it's online". That's rich. How many seperate friends lists do you have now for the 4 games people play online with the PS3?


You seem to not understand what "perceived value" means. The PS3 *may* be a good deal hardware-wise, however it's worthless to a majority of people when there is no content for the system, or to those people who don't want a Blu-Ray setup or have no desire to be "high definition". The Wii may not be half as powerful as a 360 or PS3, yet people enjoy it and are buying tons of them because of the perceived value of the system. Contrary to what you read on the Internet, not everyone has an HDTV, nor wants one.

Edit: Anyone else notice that Richbastard hasn't said a single word in this thread, other than the original post? Trolling to the max.
 
People need to quit blaming the market for hating Sony and start blaming Sony for alienating the market.

I'm sick and tired of people saying "WELL WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE SONY THEY ARENT BAD THEY MAKE RESISTANCE AND YOU GUYS ARE ALL JUST BIAS AND THE WII IS A FAD"

I don't see how it's anybody's fault but Sony's that the PS3 is falling on its face. Life's tough, sometimes people just don't accept a product. Tough cookies. Stop telling people they should love the PS3, and start giving them reasons to.
 
First of all, I don't think most people here hate Sony. I'd be willing to bet 75% of the people posting in this thread own a PS2.

Rather, I think most people feel betrayed at this point. Instead of considering what gamers wanted, Sony shoved a Blu-Ray player into the PS3, thus driving the cost on the consumer end. Not only is $600 a hefty price tag, but not everybody wants or needs a Blu-Ray player. Then add several bad business decisions onto that: requiring an extra adapter for PS1/PS2 memory cards, removing rumble from the controller, taking out the Emotion chip and thus crippling backwards compatibility, and the lack of upscaling ability at launch. These are all steps backwards.

Now, none of this makes the PS3 a bad system. Gamers are upset because Sony made multiple promises about how the PS3 would be the second coming and they've failed on multiple levels to deliver on those promises. If fault lies with anyone, I'd have to point the finger at Sony's own execs and PR who talked such big talk in the first place.

All of that being said, I plan on buying a PS3 when the price drops enough and when a vast library of games are available for the system. Until then, I'll look at the PS2 and think of better days.
 
So once, I turned on the PS3 and I was like "OMGWTFBBQ" and then I went and had a BBQ. It was delicious. I didn't have to eat again until the next day because I was so full.


The end.
 
In response to the OP's question...

It's not so much hatred as it is calling it as everyone sees it. Sony's been incredibly arrogant this entire time, had rediculous price points, and had some of the stupidest, offensive, or just plain retarded marketing techniques (I'm looking at you, crying baby, the back vs white models, and alliwantforxmasisapsp.com).

PS3-wise, after some games come out that are more appealing AND not available on a cheaper system, some of the hatred will stop. THEN bring the price down to $300 or below, and then it will all disappear with the exception of M$ and Nintendo fanboys who wouldn't play a PS3 if they were given it for free.
 
I don't love or hate Sony. I probably come off as a Sony basher in PSP or PS3 threads, since I look at the situation realistically (Sony will not likely be the market leader in either segment).

My PS2 is well loved, certainly more than my Xbox. My PSP doesn't have many games to play, but with a big memory stick and a load of movies and TV on it, I still get some good use there. I don't see myself getting a PS3 or 360 for a long time because, for what those consoles offer, I'm not willing to pay more than $250 for. I anticipate Sony to start the pricing wars this generation either at E3 or shortly thereafter, to which I'll be appreciative.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I tried. Wouldn't open to reveal the grill so I had to get a hammer and saw.[/QUOTE]


no no no, you're supposed to put the meat behind the system, where the heat is coming out.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Yes, you're not allowed to complain about products you dont own.[/QUOTE]

This is the exact reason that I don't complain about the PS3, I just hate the price being so damn high. Even though I could afford to get one I just hate to waste that much money on a few games when I can wait until they have a larger amount of games I want to play. I have the same complaint about the games with the Wii but I bought it because my girlfriend and her friends play it otherwise I wouldn't have gotten it yet either.
 
[quote name='Apossum']no no no, you're supposed to put the meat behind the system, where the heat is coming out.[/quote]
No, no you put it near the Sony Executives. We all know there's loads of hot air near them.
 
Arrogance/lack of care for the costumers sums it up[FONT=&quot].(ya all the companies are arrogant but recently the sony has been king)
-[/FONT]Bad costumer service(like all those DRE ps2s that it took a lawsuit before they would fix them)

-$600 dollar game system (that is such a great deal and we have a privalge to buy) that forces blue ray on us(maybe a good business practice but dosn't earn any points with the costumers)

-Refusing to acknowledge their mistakes and problems (I think people like paying $600 dollars for a system that's why the ps3 is the most succseful product ever and I'll pay you if you can find one sitting on the shelf of any store)
I think much of the feelings of and hate/betayal would go away if the would just show some humility.

But at the moment sony is the georg w. bush of video games.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']

"it's online". That's rich. How many seperate friends lists do you have now for the 4 games people play online with the PS3?

[/QUOTE]


PS3 doesn't use separate friends lists.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']but dosn't earn any points with the costumers[/QUOTE]

To be fair, those crazy costumers are real fucks. I wouldn't want any costumers as customers at my store, that's for sure.
 
I don't hate Sony at all, but I do not own a PS3 at the moment because of: The price, no need for Blu-Ray, lack of games that I truly want out at the moment (although there are some good ones), and lack of games that I truly want in the immediate future.

Also I haven't been playing games as much lately (with the exception of FFXII), so I feel that I can wait. If there's one thing bad about the PS3 (to me), it's the "just wait and see" feeling that it gives me.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']tHEY kILLED LIK SANG[/QUOTE]
Would have happened anyways. Lik-Sang was way expensive. Play-Asia FTW
 
to be fair i think i also may "dislike" nintendo about the same nowadays.... they have totally lost their minds and i cant stand how they dont wish to keep up with technology.. they have truly gone a different route

portable market though

psp > ds

the irony
 
[quote name='lwelyk']No, no you put it near the Sony Executives. We all know there's loads of hot air near them.[/QUOTE]


I use one as a space heater in the winter.

to be fair, the Sony execs have been pretty realistic about the PS3 lately.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']to be fair i think i also may "dislike" nintendo about the same nowadays.... they have totally lost their minds and i cant stand how they dont wish to keep up with technology.. they have truly gone a different route

portable market though

psp > ds

the irony[/QUOTE]


QFT.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Hehe, I hope you don't mind me quoting that in my signature. :lol:[/quote]I'm flattered. Go for it.

[quote name='Zen Davis']tHEY kILLED LIK SANG[/quote] And Bleem.

I like some Sony products. Their tube tvs were some of the best consumer models out there for decades.

The Playstation came into the vg arena and helped push gaming foward to a more mainstream hobby, where it was more niche and child-oriented up to that point. The Playstation 2 was the most over-rated of current gen (now last gen) systems, but Sony's relationship with developers helped them immensely. Their massive library (and backwards compatibility) was key in capturing a huge fanbase, pulling large numbers from Nintendo and alas, Sega.


The Playstation Portable is a nice handheld, with a decent sized number of games, but many who have purchased the system wound up disenfranchised with the number of straight ports from desktop to handheld and no great stand-alone titles to make their investment worth while from a gamers' point of view. Coupled with the cost of UMDs, and the smaller and smaller ipods and MP3players which do music and video, the PSP (designed to not be solely a gaming handheld, but also a music/video handheld) is having some problems.

The Playstation 3 is a nice piece of hardware, overpriced for those looking at it strictly for gaming. It's fair priced when contrasted with blu-ray players, but blu-ray is a component which Sony is truly concerned with at the moment. They are vying for the next-gen industry standard in video format, after losing out after two decades of failed R&D time and money. They do not want to lose this to Toshiba's HDdvd.

So much of their effort in the PS3 is from the angle of pushing blu-ray, blu-ray, blu-ray. Had their PS3 team been focused more on the video game consumers' desires, and re-building bridges with vendors and consumers (after estranging themselves through arrogance over the years) the sony-fanbase would still be as strong as it was say, four years ago.

But great games will come. At this point it will be interesting to see what will remain exclusive, and what will cross into MS and Nintendo territory. Because even with the slight advantage that the PS3 has over the 360 for elements such as AI and some rendering, if a game is available on the wii and 360, and people already have that system, they're going to buy it on that system they already own.

Basically, the opposite of the PS2 effect. People had the Playstation 2, so they'd buy the inferior ps2 port of BreadMaker eXtreme Yeast, rather than buy an xbox or gc to play the same game with optimized graphics or framerate.
 
[quote name='guinaevere']but many who have purchased the system wound up disenfranchised with the number of straight ports from desktop to handheld and no great stand-alone titles to make their investment worth while from a gamers' point of view.[/QUOTE]
Maybe a year ago, but that time is over. There are more than enough games that aren't ports on the PSP to keep people happy. ;)
 
I don't hate them now (though I don't exactly like them)... but I definitely did around the launch of the PSP up until just recently. I got sick of their arrogance and contradictions and denials.

Well, I guess it wasn't so much Sony as it was Ken, Kaz, and Sir Howard.

But it's different now... I kinda want a PS3 but can't justify it since there are no games that I want. I'd mostly want to as a upscaling DVD/PS2/PS1 player.
 
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