Some people are just plain evil. Newstory inside.

Man, what did I start??

I'm not making commentary about the American man strictly because of this incident; as a matter of fact, the comment that made me say what I did was Strell's about the news reports concerning the "bystander effect", as PhrostByte calls it. And (GTzero) your supposition that the majority of men would actually do something is, at least according to certain studies, being proved as incorrect.

The things I expressed are, in my opinion and experience, very true. Whether or not you agree is probably based on your own experience. I believe men have been emasculated by society, I believe our natural male responses and inclinations are suppressed by what is deemed "politically correct", and as a result, I believe we have been weakened as a group.

As for me personally, (CoffeeEdge) I can say definitively that I would take action. I have taken action before. I came upon two young guys beating the hell out of this other guy, stomping him into the ground, and I jumped right in and scared them off. Why did I do that? It's not because I am spectacular or valorous or brave, but because I simply did what any man should do: defend the weak. There is no heroism involved here, but a carrying-out of what is natural to a man.

Finally, to say that 90% of us would have ran to protect ourselves is an indicator of the sad perception of the public. I hope you're wrong, CoffeeEdge. But if you're right, then man it is good to be in the 10%.
 
[quote name='Ender']Finally, to say that 90% of us would have ran to protect ourselves is an indicator of the sad perception of the public. I hope you're wrong, CoffeeEdge. But if you're right, then man it is good to be in the 10%.[/QUOTE]

I've seen kids getting beaten by their parents in parking lots, and no one saying or doing a thing, out of dozens of people in the area.

I guess we're not all white knights, man.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']...it'sss aww-righttt



Anyways, I kind of have to chuckle at the people saying "oh yeah I totally would have done something, woulda took that bitch on." I know people like to think that when they read these sorts of stories, but come on...had you really been there, would you have really done it? Think about it. Maybe a couple of you, I'd believe, but 90% of people that say that sort of thing are just fooling themselves, and would have run to protect themselves. I guess it's more empowering to think that you would have been a hero, though...[/quote]


I think in this particular case, it's more likely that action would have been taken than in other "similar" cases. As far as we know, the man in this story did not have a knife, nor a gun, nor any other weapon other than himself. In a situation such as VT or other similar cases, I believe you would be right. I for one, although I'd like to think I would do something, am not sure I would. I would like to think I'd be able to, but I honestly don't know. But this is not a case like VT. You don't have to worry about walking up on the guy just to have a bullet put through your head. You don't have to worry about getting your throat slit. You don't have to worry about a steel pipe connecting with your face. While it's possible the guy could have killed you, weapon or not, how likely is that outcome? Chances are good the most an average adult male would have suffered would be a broken jaw or a few broken ribs. And that's the most likely "bad" scenario. If it's likely that you're going to be killed in situation, I can understand the hesitation. But when the odds are very unlikely that you'll suffer even mildly severe damage, and you know that your actions will keep the man from crushing the kid? There's no excuse for not doing something, and I think that's what most people here realize.

And yes, while it's possible that you wouldn't know if the man had any of these items in his possession, if you survey the situation for even a second and see him punching, kicking, and stomping, I'd think you'd be at least fairly certain he's got nothing on him, otherwise he'd be using it. And if you had been one of the people in the story who allegedly tried to "stop" him, you'd have seen right away he was unarmed.
 
i dont fault the old folks for not doing more in ths day and age good samaritins often get beat down or killed for their helping and if they were really old what more could they do unless they were armed with some kind of weapon. i dont care how bad a day or life you have though anyone who can do something like that whether crazy or not deserves to die. shit like this really makes me wonder if im in the same world i used to think i was in because youd never dream of ever hearing about thi kind of shit hapening. just one more sign of the end nearing..............
 
Some people are evil, yes. Some folks aren't necessarily evil, but do horrible things for any one of an endless number of excuses.

Many of us would have stepped in to stop what was going on, but more people are cowards than aren't. And many people are afraid of being sued if they actually hurt the guy they'd have been trying to stop. Our society has gone down the toilet.
 
How about we all shut the hell up because none of the stories truly say to what extent people tried to help. Maybe the only people who were there were elderly people? Maybe the other cars that stopped were incapable of helping for one way or another. Nobody here knows any of the details, so before you say "people are cowards" or "The people who didn't do anything are almost as bad", perhaps you should actually wait until the facts come out.
 
This is the interweb, Kiddo. I'm going to cast aspersions and make blanket statements before the facts get in the way.
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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']How about we all shut the hell up because none of the stories truly say to what extent people tried to help. Maybe the only people who were there were elderly people? Maybe the other cars that stopped were incapable of helping for one way or another. Nobody here knows any of the details, so before you say "people are cowards" or "The people who didn't do anything are almost as bad", perhaps you should actually wait until the facts come out.[/quote]

Unnecessary. The main theme of this thread's discussion is about the state of society (and yea, the American male) as a whole, not just in relation to this isolated event. The details of this story are actually irrelevant to our discussion.
 
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