Some people are just plain evil. Newstory inside.

Shooting him was letting him get out easy. This man needed to be butt-raped for 30 years in jail and then fried in an electric chair.
 
Sweet, people standing around did nothing.

"He was so engaged" bullshit. You see a guy stomping on a kid you do more than tapping the guy on the back and telling him to stop.
 
It's for reasons like this why I get so pissed when people are like, "Oh everybody is good at heart" or bullshit like that. OP is right, there are just some people who are inherently evil, and deserve to be shot so the rest of us don't have to deal with them.

And yeah, I wonder how hard these people really tried to help. I'm not even a fan of kids, but if I saw this guy beating on a toddler, I would have tackled the SOB to the ground and beat the shit out of him to stop him. Even if I wasn't successful, at least it would have gotten him off the kid for a few minutes.
 
[quote name='joshythegreat18']It's for reasons like this why I get so pissed when people are like, "Oh everybody is good at heart" or bullshit like that. OP is right, there are just some people who are inherently evil, and deserve to be shot so the rest of us don't have to deal with them.

And yeah, I wonder how hard these people really tried to help. I'm not even a fan of kids, but if I saw this guy beating on a toddler, I would have tackled the SOB to the ground and beat the shit out of him to stop him. Even if I wasn't successful, at least it would have gotten him off the kid for a few minutes.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

I would have also tried to pick up the kid, hold him like a football, and run down the road like Barry Sanders.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Sweet, people standing around did nothing.

"He was so engaged" bullshit. You see a guy stomping on a kid you do more than tapping the guy on the back and telling him to stop.[/quote]

All I know is if I see someone beating a kid to death like that, I'm stopping it one way or another.

All I can think of is my little nephew about to turn one year old. I can't imagine just standing around if someone dared to hurt him.
 
Something is going on because nearly the same thing happened here. The guy in the next building set fire to an apartment including a crib. Ran over the mom and her daughter in a car as they tried to escape, went back grabbed the burned infant and held a knife to it as cops tried to get him to give up. Finally dropped the baby, got tasered, and ended up getting blasted by the cops. Oh, and his parents were just in the paper saying their baby boy wasn't a monster. He was a God-fearing boy that read the entire Bible twice. Yeah right.

I don't know how all those people just stood and watched like it was on TV. You'd think someone could've grabbed a tire iron or something from their trunks to get that bastard off of the baby.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Something is going on because nearly the same thing happened here. The guy in the next building set fire to an apartment including a crib. Ran over the mom and her daughter in a car as they tried to escape, went back grabbed the burned infant and held a knife to it as cops tried to get him to give up. Finally dropped the baby, got tasered, and ended up getting blasted by the cops. Oh, and his parents were just in the paper saying their baby boy wasn't a monster. He was a God-fearing boy that read the entire Bible twice. Yeah right.

I don't know how all those people just stood and watched like it was on TV. You'd think someone could've grabbed a tire iron or something from their trunks to get that bastard off of the baby.[/QUOTE]

Why's it hard to believe he read The Bible twice?
 
[quote name='Koggit']Why's it hard to believe he read The Bible twice?[/quote]

Not the point I was trying to make at all. I just find it hard to believe that he's not a monster. His parents tried to say that because he read the Bible twice and didn't like to hurt animals, that he couldn't have done all that they said he did.

Like the guy in the OP, some people are just evil even if they go to church, have a regular job, etc. The guy in the OP just like the guy in my story probably seemed normal up until the incident. He might have had normal everyday problems but nothing that would've warned people. But something made him do something this horrible. Something already inside him allowed all moral boundaries to disappear.
 
As a father this sickens me. Not just the guy who beat the kid to death but the witnesses as well. "2 or 3 cars" meant the elderly couple and atleast 2 other people. I don't understand how 4 human beings are not able to stop 1 person. I don't care if the guy was on drugs or superman, you atleast can get him to beat the crap out of you instead of the kid.

The only good thing to come out of this was the cop killing this guy. I'm sure if he would have just arrested him, we would have had to hear how this guy was traumitized by his childhood, was mentally ill or some other BS.

I forgot... fucker!
 
[quote name='emg28']you atleast can get him to beat the crap out of you instead of the kid.[/quote]

That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. So he kills someone his own age instead of a little kid, what the hell difference does it make?
 
[quote name='areo64']That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. So he kills someone his own age instead of a little kid, what the hell difference does it make?[/QUOTE]

An adult body is much more durable than that of a toddler, and with multiple witnesses there's no reason he couldn't have been restrained.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']it took you this long to find out people sucked[/quote]


The individual that beat the toddler to death hardly classifies as a person.
 
[quote name='areo64']That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. So he kills someone his own age instead of a little kid, what the hell difference does it make?[/quote]

Atleast, I would have a fighting chance. By your response, I take it you don't have any kids. If you did, what would you do?

I guess some people are DOers and some people would just stand around and do nothing. To each his own.
 
[quote name='areo64']That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. So he kills someone his own age instead of a little kid, what the hell difference does it make?[/quote]

In addition to Koggit's post, someone his own age has presumably lived & experienced life (both its ups & downs). Contrast that to a 1 yr old toddler who has just started life and hasn't (and in this particular case will never) had the privilege of a full life.

[quote name='Koggit']An adult body is much more durable than that of a toddler, and with multiple witnesses there's no reason he couldn't have been restrained.[/quote]

If he was high on something like PCP, I could see it being difficult even for 4 ppl to restrain him. But that's only if that's the case. Otherwise, ppl impotently standing around doing shit is absolutely inexcusable.
 
Prolly somebody who shouldn't have had a kid in the first place, go birth-control.

... and yeah, bystanders not doing shit is messed up. If I was alone it'd be damn near impossible not to SOMETHING to intervene, such as beating the shit out of him. If I had a friend or two? Would be insane not to do something. Yeah he might have a gun and might be high, but shit, assess the situation, and more'n likely you could intervene somehow.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Hey, if you spill paint in the garage then you gotta pay the price.[/quote]

That's not even remotely funny. I know you're "edgy" and all, but come on man, it's a baby.....

As a parent of a child in that same age range, I am sickened by this. If I had drove by while this was going on, I'd have murdered that man with my bare hands, no remorse.
 
What an awful story, and how shitty to have it happen so close to my area. I fucking hate this place and can't wait to leave the valley.
 
[quote name='Ender']If I had drove by while this was going on, I'd have murdered that man with my bare hands, no remorse.[/quote]

I hear ya. I don't even really like kids (don't get me wrong, they're cute and all, just not sure they're for me), but seeing that happen, the SOB would have been torn limb from limb.
 
I refuse to believe that no one driving by had a tire-iron in the trunk. Those things are quite good for slowing people down, if not stopping them entirely.

Disappointed, but not surprised. Seen too many stories where some stupid twat likes her boyfriend more than her kids' safety and *somehow*, one day, she'll come home and the kid is shaken, beaten, or even raped to death.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']*puts on the Mykevermin face mustache*

Come on, this was blatant excessive force. The suspect could have been rehabilitated in prison![/QUOTE]

You need to put on a bowler hat, and remark about how "now we'll never know the whole story because we can't get this man's side of it."

Story is sad indeed. I remember hearing on one of those news shows (like 20/20 or Dateline or something) that the whole people-refusing-to-step-in thing happens all the time, with the overriding justification being that people think "hey, if there's other people around, one of them will step in, and then I don't have to."
 
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Those assholes watching this with their thumbs up their asses are almost as bad as the fucker beating on the toddler.

I see you beating on a kid, my tire iron will meet your skull.
 
[quote name='Strell']
Story is sad indeed. I remember hearing on one of those news shows (like 20/20 or Dateline or something) that the whole people-refusing-to-step-in thing happens all the time, with the overriding justification being that people think "hey, if there's other people around, one of them will step in, and then I don't have to."[/quote]

Yep, this. I couldn't agree more.

This speaks to the lack of integrity and, possibly, the lack of true manhood in America today. It's always someone else's problem. We've segregated ourselves into our own little boxes, and so many times, people don't view other people as their responsibility to protect. Anyone who is helpless or needs protection should be able to get it from even total strangers.

In this situation, I can understand a woman being afraid to step in. If one had, she'd likely end up just like the toddler. But any man that witnessed this and did nothing, I consider the blood on his hands as well. It's our job as men to stand up for the weak and helpless. Unfortunately, I believe what constitutes an American male these days has fallen so far from what it used to be, we're just about on par with the women when it comes to how we view our gender-specific responsibilities.
 
Well you can blame all the brainwashing in schools these days. It's allowed the "American man" to feel bad for being manly while girls these days are getting more and more aggressive. It still doesn't excuse what happened on that lonely stretch of road out there. Hell, I would've stabbed the guy with a pen if that's all I had on me.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Well you can blame all the brainwashing in schools these days. It's allowed the "American man" to feel bad for being manly while girls these days are getting more and more aggressive. It still doesn't excuse what happened on that lonely stretch of road out there. Hell, I would've stabbed the guy with a pen if that's all I had on me.[/quote]

I agree but there are many more things in our society that hinders these type of actions.

Hell, I wouldnt bet that if you had stepped in...injured or killed that guy yourself his family would not only file charges against you but somehow win. Wasnt there a case where somehow saved the life of one of these "If god wants him to live he will so dont help him or give him meds" type of people. I remember him being in a legal battle for a time after he saved that guys life. His family try to sue him for disobeying god or something.

Everything in America is a huge ass catch 22. You will get burned more times just trying to do the right thing then flat out lying your ass off from the beginning. You got celb's and politicians killing, raping, drug using etc etc and they off with a slap on the wrist and a guy in the hood steals a candy bar and goes to jail for 6 months.

Thats no excuse for not helping. You guys know how much I hate kids and even I couldnt stand there and watch a toddler get stomped by a grown ass man. But to put it bluntly I admit I would be hesitant to help at first because my first thought would be..."How would it look if I a 6'1 black guy is beating the shit out of a man when the cops pull up in this white neighborhood?"

And no matter how stereotypical or prejudices that is sounds I lived through that. I grew up in the ghetto and I along with most of my friends have been arrested for things we didnt commit and for reason no greater than simply being in sight of the police at the time. A perfect example was one of my best friends disappeared for a week and a half without any contact. Just when we were really starting to get worried he appeared the following Wednesday. See he was walking back from the store when 3 cop cars pulled up and arrested him on the spot claiming he matched the description of someone who just robbed a Micky D's and shot someone. He wasnt allowed anything no call, no contact, nothing until they happened to find the guy who really did it a week later. The strange thing is this....my friend is a 6'6 dark skinned black guy. The guy who did it? A 5'8 Rican.

How am I suppose to be confident in helping someone when things like that going on? I might help this kid and wind up in jail the next week.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I agree but there are many more things in our society that hinders these type of actions.

Hell, I wouldnt bet that if you had stepped in...injured or killed that guy yourself his family would not only file charges against you but somehow win. Wasnt there a case where somehow saved the life of one of these "If god wants him to live he will so dont help him or give him meds" type of people. I remember him being in a legal battle for a time after he saved that guys life. His family try to sue him for disobeying god or something.

Everything in America is a huge ass catch 22. You will get burned more times just trying to do the right thing then flat out lying your ass off from the beginning. You got celb's and politicians killing, raping, drug using etc etc and they off with a slap on the wrist and a guy in the hood steals a candy bar and goes to jail for 6 months.

Thats no excuse for not helping. You guys know how much I hate kids and even I couldnt stand there and watch a toddler get stomped by a grown ass man. But to put it bluntly I admit I would be hesitant to help at first because my first thought would be..."How would it look if I a 6'1 black guy is beating the shit out of a man when the cops pull up in this white neighborhood?"

And no matter how stereotypical or prejudices that is sounds I lived through that. I grew up in the ghetto and I along with most of my friends have been arrested for things we didnt commit and for reason no greater than simply being in sight of the police at the time. A perfect example was one of my best friends disappeared for a week and a half without any contact. Just when we were really starting to get worried he appeared the following Wednesday. See he was walking back from the store when 3 cop cars pulled up and arrested him on the spot claiming he matched the description of someone who just robbed a Micky D's and shot someone. He wasnt allowed anything no call, no contact, nothing until they happened to find the guy who really did it a week later. The strange thing is this....my friend is a 6'6 dark skinned black guy. The guy who did it? A 5'8 Rican.

How am I suppose to be confident in helping someone when things like that going on? I might help this kid and wind up in jail the next week.[/quote]

I can appreciate your sentiments soodmeg, and I won't pretend for one minute that racial stereotypes don't exist. I'll also agree that police action can be dictated by prejudice at times.

But I want to go back to my original point about true manliness. I think a real man (and I'm sure our definition on what that exactly is might differ) takes action when action needs to be taken, with no regard to possible personal consequences after the fact. For example:

I decided long ago that if I am ever home in bed, and someone comes into my house, I'm shooting first and asking questions later. Now it's possible that, due to some small legality, I might end up in jail for murder, even though I was defending myself and my family. However, that is a consequence I can accept if it means I protected my wife and daughter from harm. Time in jail vs. a dead family is an easy decision for me to make.

I think our innate manhood should dictate our response in this type of situation. I see this going on along the side of the road, and my immediate response is "Stop it, by any means necessary". If I end up in jail, but I saved an infant's life......is that not an acceptable end?
 
I love how commentary is being made on the American man in general because of one isolated incident, yet everyone in this thread said they'd kick the guys ass if they were there.

We must all be special.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I love how commentary is being made on the American man in general because of one isolated incident, yet everyone in this thread said they'd kick the guys ass if they were there.

We must all be special.[/quote]


We ARE all special.

We're on CAG. Duh.
 
They haven't released any toxology report yet but I wouldn't be surprised if angel dust or lsd or something showed up, especially since he had no previous record. Sounds like this guy was on a bad trip...which again is why these drugs are illegal. Of course this is not excuse, this guy was still the one that did it and he deserved what he got. Too bad for the kid of course, such a sad thing...I still think just like a car there should be some license to have a kid before you can take them home from the hospital.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I love how commentary is being made on the American man in general because of one isolated incident, yet everyone in this thread said they'd kick the guys ass if they were there.

We must all be special.[/quote]


You mean to tell me you'd just stand there and do nothing?

It wasn't like this dude was spanking the kid. He beat that kid so bad that it will take a DNA test to identify him.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I love how commentary is being made on the American man in general because of one isolated incident, yet everyone in this thread said they'd kick the guys ass if they were there.

We must all be special.[/QUOTE]

You know, I agree with Ender's general sentiment, but this is a damn good point.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']You mean to tell me you'd just stand there and do nothing?

It wasn't like this dude was spanking the kid. He beat that kid so bad that it will take a DNA test to identify him.[/quote]

I was saying that it's silly for people to commentate on the American man ( in general ) because of this isolated incident, where a few people chose not to do anything. Especially when there are a bunch of (assuringly) American men in this thread who say they'd kick his ass. How do we know that we're not the majority?

I would've done something.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']You mean to tell me you'd just stand there and do nothing?

It wasn't like this dude was spanking the kid. He beat that kid so bad that it will take a DNA test to identify him.[/quote]



its always easy to say you would do something after the fact, but thats after time passed and you thought about it, what people do in the moment is a totally different thing. Its like that guy who got hit by a car and no one did anything about. A ton of people said after seeing the video they would have helped, but until you are put in that situation you have no idea how you will respond.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']its always easy to say you would do something after the fact, but thats after time passed and you thought about it, what people do in the moment is a totally different thing. Its like that guy who got hit by a car and no one did anything about. A ton of people said after seeing the video they would have helped, but until you are put in that situation you have no idea how you will respond.[/quote]

Individuals aware of the bystander effect are more likely to intervene. I was involved in a store robbery once and I ended up tackling the robber a split second before the police came in and pulled their guns on me. I kid you not...

Remember when the Virginia Tech thing happened? Well, it was kind of strange for me at the time because I kept imagining something similar happening at my school. I tend to sit near the isles and towards the back in lecture halls so I knew I would get first dibs on attacking someone if they had a gun. I used to tell my friends about this as I sat in the lecture hall and they would be freaked out and say things like "You wouldn't do that, you would run like everyone else", or "you realize you would get shot right away right?" Yea. I'll probably get shot... but if someone doesn't try something, everyone could die.
 
...it'sss aww-righttt



Anyways, I kind of have to chuckle at the people saying "oh yeah I totally would have done something, woulda took that bitch on." I know people like to think that when they read these sorts of stories, but come on...had you really been there, would you have really done it? Think about it. Maybe a couple of you, I'd believe, but 90% of people that say that sort of thing are just fooling themselves, and would have run to protect themselves. I guess it's more empowering to think that you would have been a hero, though...
 
About Vtech.....it's not like these school shooters are marksmen. I bet if 5 guys rushed Cho only one would get shot and possibly die. One guy tried to stop him I think, but he got killed. Those guys were some pussies. I mean, not saying being a pussy is bad. They survived. But a bunch of people died because a few guys were too pussy to do anything.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']its always easy to say you would do something after the fact, but thats after time passed and you thought about it, what people do in the moment is a totally different thing. Its like that guy who got hit by a car and no one did anything about. A ton of people said after seeing the video they would have helped, but until you are put in that situation you have no idea how you will respond.[/quote]


I've physically broken up fights before. Granted, I have never seen a situation like in that newsstory, and I am bigger and taller than the average person, but I have put myself in harms way to stop violence before.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']...it'sss aww-righttt



Anyways, I kind of have to chuckle at the people saying "oh yeah I totally would have done something, woulda took that bitch on." I know people like to think that when they read these sorts of stories, but come on...had you really been there, would you have really done it? Think about it. Maybe a couple of you, I'd believe, but 90% of people that say that sort of thing are just fooling themselves, and would have run to protect themselves. I guess it's more empowering to think that you would have been a hero, though...[/quote]

The fact of the matter is YOU HAVE TO do something. This might not happen to everyone, but it happens to some people. Sometimes moments arise in your life where you have a split second decision to make. Fight or flee. In this situation: the only reason not to fight is because you're a coward.

In the Virginia Tech example, you probably realize that you have a better chance at survival by fleeing. But, you also realize that more people will probably die if you don't take action. It's really a gamble...

The problem is, everyone thinks SOMEONE will do something, and in turn, no one does. Again, in the Virginia Tech example, it's also a question of who do you love more: yourself or society.
 
Very sad storie. Sadly in So Cal if you watch the news or read the paper often you hear about this stuff all the time. Not to this extent but after a long time here you get demoralized to these stories.
 
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