Street Fighter IV - Gen Discussion & Info

[quote name='Alcedes']Who's tried out Gouken? Using him against scrubby kens is hilarious, they'd do their standard jumping RH, and eat a parry/counter that sends them flying across the screen. Then, not to be deterred, they'd repeat, and eat another one. 30% damage by just defending lol. I think Gouken has one of the coolest looking ultras, just gotta get the timing down.[/QUOTE]


that ultra came from your avy. Ryu has that in Third Strike as his S.A II.

I miss Ryu having it and i miss doing F+HP to that.
 
Zangief is freaking hilarious. Been playing as him and just owning with his throws and spinning move, haha. That move is so overpowered...goes through hadoukens, does so much damage and often hits or exchanges.Then his throws are so easy to pull off on the joystick cause I just keep rotating it in eather direction then press punch or kick and = massive damage. I knocked this one fei long down, then as he got up jumped to the other side and threw him 3 times and he was basically done, haha. Got a not so nice PM though...

Got the 200 matches played and 100 wins as well...think I'm about 47% w/L right now...
 
[quote name='Spades22']Zangief is freaking hilarious. Been playing as him and just owning with his throws and spinning move, haha. That move is so overpowered...goes through hadoukens, does so much damage and often hits or exchanges.Then his throws are so easy to pull off on the joystick cause I just keep rotating it in eather direction then press punch or kick and = massive damage. I knocked this one fei long down, then as he got up jumped to the other side and threw him 3 times and he was basically done, haha. Got a not so nice PM though...

Got the 200 matches played and 100 wins as well...think I'm about 47% w/L right now...[/QUOTE]

Gief is a little overpowered but he still can be beat. The double lariat needs to be nerfed. It can hit you up to 3 times while blocking and he can do it when he just about lands from a jump. i think his throws are fine. players are just stupid to stand next to him and not know that the 360 can be rotated on pop up and if they are jumping it mostly means that they are doing the motion for it. Gief is def tough as nails.
 
I think everything about Zangief is overpowered. Double Lariat, his grab, everything. 4-5 hits basically means a win for him every match.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Fordward = F
Down = D
Down/forward = D

The old dragon punch motion is f, d, df + p. The new one is df, df + p.[/quote]

Thanks.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I think everything about Zangief is overpowered. Double Lariat, his grab, everything. 4-5 hits basically means a win for him every match.[/quote]

He's pretty OP, but in the same respect he's pretty slow. Played right, he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best in the game.

And yes, annoying as hell to play against. :bomb:
 
And even when his lariat is blocked, 3 hits on their guard still does like as much damage as a single attack from another character. With a controller, Zangief is so cheap though. For some reason, one of my L triggers is the quick double lariat, and the other L trigger is my HK, and on of my RB buttons is the double lariat, and the other is the HP. So on a controller these can be spammed non-stop.
 
[quote name='will52']He's pretty OP, but in the same respect he's pretty slow. Played right, he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best in the game.

And yes, annoying as hell to play against. :bomb:[/quote]

Zangief is pretty bad but his match ups really run the gamut. I mean.. he might not have much trouble against someone like Honda, Bison, and Abel who don't really have much they can use against him. But put a Zangief in front of Sagat or (my :lol:) Blanka, it's lights out. If you want someone to complain about, try Sagat. I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEE Sagat. Cheap fuck.

So I got to 3700 BP today and it was a pretty fun morning. I didn't face any Kens whatsoever and only a couple Ryus. I beat a shitty Bison who had like 4200 BP and got creamed by a Honda and a Gen. He was the first Gen I've fought online... ever.

Anyone wanna buy a bunch of crap?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320350981026
 
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Man how have you guys managed to get through those trials. I've just started trying em out, and can't even get past normal trial 4 :lol: For trial 3 I had to use the control pad for half of them...the control stick seemed too slow...>_>
 
[quote name='ninjaspeedrazor']Picked the game up over the weekend, definitely liking it. Trying to make Abel my main and I've been making progress, just need to get used to his style.[/QUOTE]

i really like abel. he can play keep away really well with that wheel kick and that 3 hit overhead special he has is very hard to beat since you can mix it up. i like abel a lot.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']i really like abel. he can play keep away really well with that wheel kick and that 3 hit overhead special he has is very hard to beat since you can mix it up. i like abel a lot.[/QUOTE]

I'm definitely enjoying his style, quite different from the characters I usually play as, having an arcade stick helps tremendously too.
 
I got my Xbox back and finally got to play yesterday. Is it me or are the moves easier to pull than on SSF2THDR? I mention that because I ordered the standard edition fightstick and now I'm wondering if it's even worth it. I prefer not to comb through the past 100 pages so I'll ask a question that I'm sure has been brought up before. What controller is everyone using and, if it's not the standard 360 controller, how much better is it?
 
[quote name='epb']I got my Xbox back and finally got to play yesterday. Is it me or are the moves easier to pull than on SSF2THDR? I mention that because I ordered the standard edition fightstick and now I'm wondering if it's even worth it. I prefer not to comb through the past 100 pages so I'll ask a question that I'm sure has been brought up before. What controller is everyone using and, if it's not the standard 360 controller, how much better is it?[/quote]
I'm interested to hear the answer to this as well.
 
I use the controller and can do all the specials fine. And, for characters like Zangief where you do his lariats, or blanka where you leap forward/back or do the crouch, the L trigger and the other button on the top w/e it is, these allow you to do such moves just by pressing a button rather than by pressing all three punch or kick buttons at once.
The only thing I can't really do is the harder trials (dashing is tougher on the control stick it seems......
The controller I'm using though is a small madcatz normal controller (not a fightpad). The official 360 controller had buttons that were spaced too far apart for me to constantly be able to do the ex punch attacks and such. (But I guess with alteration of the button configuration you could make this work too)

I personally won't bother buying a stick...not worth it to me since I only plan on playing online or with friends or the single player arcade. If you played against friends with only one fight stick and they had a controller...it wouldn't be fun anyway.
 
i need a fightstick. I cant buffer at all on a controller. I just got my ass handed to me to two very good players. Im all SF'd out. im taking a short break from this game. if CAGs want to play...than just hit me up on live. Thats the only reason why ill play SF....as for now im taking a short break.
 
[quote name='7thton']I'm interested to hear the answer to this as well.[/quote]


I used the 360 controller for 2 weeks before buying the Fightpad and it is exponentially better to pull off moves. The 360's dpad is so small that you'll probably pull off some other move when you're trying to do your super/ultra.

With the fightpad, you have 6 buttons under your thumb is a major advantage. It's like night and day. it's that much better.
 
[quote name='strdr4']I used the 360 controller for 2 weeks before buying the Fightpad and it is exponentially better to pull off moves. The 360's dpad is so small that you'll probably pull off some other move when you're trying to do your super/ultra.

With the fightpad, you have 6 buttons under your thumb is a major advantage. It's like night and day. it's that much better.[/quote]

That's what I figured. I really hope that the fightpads don't ruin the online play for those of us using the regular controllers....but I think it might of already happened. :cry:
 
[quote name='7thton']That's what I figured. I really hope that the fightpads don't ruin the online play for those of us using the regular controllers....but I think it might of already happened. :cry:[/QUOTE]

Buy a fightpad or a stick then.
 
I personal think SF2 Turbo HD Remix is way better then SF IV. I was dissapointed with SF IV to be honest. SF II i never get sick of playing unless im getting my ass kicked too much. but SF IV lacks shit that i love in SFII

T Hawk, Player Lobby's so your friends can go OH SNAP! when you pull a Daigo *Hardcore SF Fans know who im talking about, that guy who pulled off a Full Parry with NO health bar left in Evo 2004 Semi Finals against someone who was Chun Li *he was playing as Ken* in Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike, and oh yeah the Full Parry was against Chun Li's super, and then destroyed his opponent with a combo into a super.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA
 
Guess I don't understand. You don't like SFIV because it lacks one character (who is rumored to show up in the future) and doesn't have the same online system, the latter of which is supposed to be fixed in an update as well?

I was disappointed with HD Remix because the graphics are spruced up BUT the animations aren't any better. So it still looked really jerky and simplistic. Sure the characters looked great, but they still moved in this wooden and boring manner.

But that's sort of a minor thing. I'm not that big of an SF fan and honestly haven't played since SF2 was in the arcades back in elementary school, so I'm not really the dood to listen to on such things.
 
Well I also like HD Remix more than SFIV, but Remix is just a spruced up version Street Fighter II Turbo (the best SF ever made in my opinion)

I like SFIV, but I personally really don't care for any of the new characters. SFIV also seems too fast to me, I like the slower, more deliberate pacing of SF2. Also, not a huge fan of the "Revenge Meter."

All I've heard is that they are implementing the quarter matches and a lobby, any word about double blind character selection? Or penalizing disconnectors? If they fix that stuff, I'll be playing SFIV online way more than I do now.
 
T Hawk isnt a big deal, i just think that he and Dee Jay should of been opted in right away. But honestly T Hawk isnt a big deal.

I was just mainly dissapointed with the gameplay, the stories *HOLD ON DONT YELL AT ME FOR THAT ONE YET* and the lack of player lobbies to watch each other spectate and mark out when someone pulls a comeback out of there ass.

SF 2 Turbo HD Remix *before the patch* was probably the most balanced game i ever played, but now with the patch out, everyone's abusing Blanka like mad now, and its pissing me off. HD Remix isnt without flaws, but its almost perfect compared to SF IV.

SF IV is the most overrated game right now out there. Its an awesome fighting game, dont get me wrong, but most of there characters voice acting and stories *DONT YELL AT ME YET ON STORIES* are just fucking sad. IMO

Now why would i care about the stories?

E Honda and Blanka's are just pathetic, i mean not pathetic for an SF fan, but even PATHETIC for a gamer period.

Also Guile aparently didnt find peace, so he thinks Charlie is still alive? WTF? i mean sure there silly, but when a game is 60 dollars, we would appericate more food for thought, and get our money's worth out of the game.

Even if it is a fighting game, a decent story for each character isnt much to ask for.

Also some of the rivalries made no sense at all. even though ill admit the cutscene for Dhalsim vs Rufus is probably the best one, very funny too.

Abel and C Viper are alright as new characters, Rufus is hillarious, and El Fuerte brings in a different wrestler type, but Seth is honestly pathetic.
 
What the fuck.

I was beating the shit out of some scrub Ken, it was 1-1, and I go to rape him with my ultra, he does an uppercut, and there's a double K.O. We get a draw game, I go to the next screen, and I lose 48 of my fucking BP. Why do I lose MY BP
 
[quote name='Dr. Pizza']T Hawk isnt a big deal, i just think that he and Dee Jay should of been opted in right away. But honestly T Hawk isnt a big deal.

I was just mainly dissapointed with the gameplay, the stories *HOLD ON DONT YELL AT ME FOR THAT ONE YET* and the lack of player lobbies to watch each other spectate and mark out when someone pulls a comeback out of there ass.

SF 2 Turbo HD Remix *before the patch* was probably the most balanced game i ever played, but now with the patch out, everyone's abusing Blanka like mad now, and its pissing me off. HD Remix isnt without flaws, but its almost perfect compared to SF IV.

SF IV is the most overrated game right now out there. Its an awesome fighting game, dont get me wrong, but most of there characters voice acting and stories *DONT YELL AT ME YET ON STORIES* are just fucking sad. IMO

Now why would i care about the stories?

E Honda and Blanka's are just pathetic, i mean not pathetic for an SF fan, but even PATHETIC for a gamer period.

Also Guile aparently didnt find peace, so he thinks Charlie is still alive? WTF? i mean sure there silly, but when a game is 60 dollars, we would appericate more food for thought, and get our money's worth out of the game.

Even if it is a fighting game, a decent story for each character isnt much to ask for.

Also some of the rivalries made no sense at all. even though ill admit the cutscene for Dhalsim vs Rufus is probably the best one, very funny too.

Abel and C Viper are alright as new characters, Rufus is hillarious, and El Fuerte brings in a different wrestler type, but Seth is honestly pathetic.[/quote]

I think its the best fighting game to come out in over 10 years. I don't care about the stories, its about the competition which is what a lot of people wanted from both HD remix and this game. Overrated? Not hardly.
 
[quote name='Dr. Pizza']T Hawk isnt a big deal, i just think that he and Dee Jay should of been opted in right away. But honestly T Hawk isnt a big deal.

I was just mainly dissapointed with the gameplay, the stories *HOLD ON DONT YELL AT ME FOR THAT ONE YET* and the lack of player lobbies to watch each other spectate and mark out when someone pulls a comeback out of there ass.

SF 2 Turbo HD Remix *before the patch* was probably the most balanced game i ever played, but now with the patch out, everyone's abusing Blanka like mad now, and its pissing me off. HD Remix isnt without flaws, but its almost perfect compared to SF IV.

SF IV is the most overrated game right now out there. Its an awesome fighting game, dont get me wrong, but most of there characters voice acting and stories *DONT YELL AT ME YET ON STORIES* are just fucking sad. IMO

Now why would i care about the stories?

E Honda and Blanka's are just pathetic, i mean not pathetic for an SF fan, but even PATHETIC for a gamer period.

Also Guile aparently didnt find peace, so he thinks Charlie is still alive? WTF? i mean sure there silly, but when a game is 60 dollars, we would appericate more food for thought, and get our money's worth out of the game.

Even if it is a fighting game, a decent story for each character isnt much to ask for.

Also some of the rivalries made no sense at all. even though ill admit the cutscene for Dhalsim vs Rufus is probably the best one, very funny too.

Abel and C Viper are alright as new characters, Rufus is hillarious, and El Fuerte brings in a different wrestler type, but Seth is honestly pathetic.[/QUOTE]

HUH? I dont think storyline and character development was ever a strength in Street Fighter. The gameplay is different but it isnt bad whatsoever. I hated it at first too but i had to make sure i dont bring in any of what i know from third Strike and not bring it to SF IV. This cant be the main reason why you do not like the game.
 
[quote name='Dr. Pizza']T Hawk isnt a big deal, i just think that he and Dee Jay should of been opted in right away. But honestly T Hawk isnt a big deal.[/quote]

Aren't you that scummy kid from Youtube
 
@Dr. Pizza

That's all cool and good.

I think writing in games is pathetic across the board. I aspire to be writing stories in the industry some day, and even the games with "great" stories are pretty bad in my opinion. The current "epic" games are really just rehashed "get to the bad guy and kill him" archetypes left and right. Even the games praised for their stories - Fallout 3 - are utterly pathetic, and just give the illusion of good narrative by giving you a hell of a lot of characters to meet and places to go. Japanese storylines tend to be pretty bad, and Western ones tend to be bad in a completely different way.

Read, again, "bad across the board." I'll take your word for the other fighters - I haven't messed around with the game too much. I think El Fuerte's story is just ridiculous enough to work, for example. Generally I tend to view stories in gaming as bad, so I look for amusing characters, which is sort of settling for something less, but I'll take a nicely fleshed out character as a sort of oasis within the mire that is gaming storydom.

Voice acting is cheesy but that should be expected on some level. Not saying you can't criticize, but again, this is one of those areas almost the entire industry fails at on a near constant and consistent basis.

I can't tell if the game is super balanced. I'm playing Fuerte because I like him purely for his ridiculous nature, and I've not been on the SF scene in ages, so that's a limited perspective. For some reason I have a lot of trouble against scrub Kens/Sagats, and the occasional Akuma. I chalk part of this up to learning how to play better mostly, but also in part that the game balance could probably use some tweaking. I personally think El Fuerte either needs to take 10% more damage than he can, or deal out 10% more, because you can land good combos and some throws with him and take off a fraction of your opponent's life, who then can ultra you down lower.

Also, maybe this is my noobness showing, but some of the rules of the game seem a bit off. Fuerte's ultra makes you jump on someone's head and is a throw. I was playing a Rose and started mine. A second later she started hers. For some reason, despite that I'm in the air over hear head, her stupid whip still catches me. So is that just a priority thing, or is her ultra an "area of effect" sort of attack? There are other instances of this happening to me, but again - maybe I'm just not used to how it all works.

I personally can't stand that if I attempt to jump backward and a Ken sweeps me, he gets the sweep. That's ridiculous. That and the nature of how Ken can instantly chain a 'ruken into anywhere instantly. But eh.

So I'm not really saying much here. I just wanted to respond for discussion's sake.

There's plenty of other overrated games on store shelves right now, but that's another topic entirely. :]
 
[quote name='Strell']@Dr. Pizza

That's all cool and good.

I think writing in games is pathetic across the board. I aspire to be writing stories in the industry some day, and even the games with "great" stories are pretty bad in my opinion. The current "epic" games are really just rehashed "get to the bad guy and kill him" archetypes left and right. Even the games praised for their stories - Fallout 3 - are utterly pathetic, and just give the illusion of good narrative by giving you a hell of a lot of characters to meet and places to go. Japanese storylines tend to be pretty bad, and Western ones tend to be bad in a completely different way.

Read, again, "bad across the board." I'll take your word for the other fighters - I haven't messed around with the game too much. I think El Fuerte's story is just ridiculous enough to work, for example. Generally I tend to view stories in gaming as bad, so I look for amusing characters, which is sort of settling for something less, but I'll take a nicely fleshed out character as a sort of oasis within the mire that is gaming storydom.

Voice acting is cheesy but that should be expected on some level. Not saying you can't criticize, but again, this is one of those areas almost the entire industry fails at on a near constant and consistent basis.

I can't tell if the game is super balanced. I'm playing Fuerte because I like him purely for his ridiculous nature, and I've not been on the SF scene in ages, so that's a limited perspective. For some reason I have a lot of trouble against scrub Kens/Sagats, and the occasional Akuma. I chalk part of this up to learning how to play better mostly, but also in part that the game balance could probably use some tweaking. I personally think El Fuerte either needs to take 10% more damage than he can, or deal out 10% more, because you can land good combos and some throws with him and take off a fraction of your opponent's life, who then can ultra you down lower.

Also, maybe this is my noobness showing, but some of the rules of the game seem a bit off. Fuerte's ultra makes you jump on someone's head and is a throw. I was playing a Rose and started mine. A second later she started hers. For some reason, despite that I'm in the air over hear head, her stupid whip still catches me. So is that just a priority thing, or is her ultra an "area of effect" sort of attack? There are other instances of this happening to me, but again - maybe I'm just not used to how it all works.

I personally can't stand that if I attempt to jump backward and a Ken sweeps me, he gets the sweep. That's ridiculous. That and the nature of how Ken can instantly chain a 'ruken into anywhere instantly. But eh.

So I'm not really saying much here. I just wanted to respond for discussion's sake.

There's plenty of other overrated games on store shelves right now, but that's another topic entirely. :][/quote]

Rose's ultra is a priority on people in the air. It literally grabs you out of the air. That's why its deadly on people that jump a lot. There is probably more balance in the characters than a lot of the past SF's, but the top tier characters can definitely be a notch above the rest.

Fighting games have always been about the competition. Playing someone else and beating their ass is much more gratifying than seeing the ending of someone that you've seen 100 times. Story is nice, but it isn't what made SF famous to begin with.
 
[quote name='Dr. Pizza']I personal think SF2 Turbo HD Remix is way better then SF IV. I was dissapointed with SF IV to be honest. SF II i never get sick of playing unless im getting my ass kicked too much. but SF IV lacks shit that i love in SFII

T Hawk, Player Lobby's so your friends can go OH SNAP! when you pull a Daigo *Hardcore SF Fans know who im talking about, that guy who pulled off a Full Parry with NO health bar left in Evo 2004 Semi Finals against someone who was Chun Li *he was playing as Ken* in Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike, and oh yeah the Full Parry was against Chun Li's super, and then destroyed his opponent with a combo into a super.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA[/quote]

That video is awesome. Period.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Buy a fightpad or a stick then.[/quote]
Aren't they like 50-70 bucks? This is Cheap Ass Gamer, you know. :D
 
[quote name='7thton']That video is awesome. Period.[/QUOTE]

one thing people need to understand about this video is that he had to parry before the super actually hit. The S.A comes out so quick for Chun that daigo was already hitting forward before it hit. its truly an amazing moment.

edit: its what Seth Killian(community manager for Capcom and resident SF expert) said and Seth is actually the one who recorded that video.
 
[quote name='BackInBlack']fightpads and sticks should be coming out again next month, right?[/quote]

Yeah. I believe MadCatz reps said the end of April.
 
A few days ago, I finally got my TE. I might go back to the bat stick as I was doing a lot better with that. I proceeded to lose about 9 straight games somehow. Then all of a sudden I started to win and eventually got my first ragequit! I wonder what he was saying about me? (I don't use a headset unless if it's someone on my friend's list.)
 
Ok I'm new to the forum and I've tried searching and whatnot but couldn't find my answer so I will ask it here first. Does anybody own the Asian version of this game? There is a reviewer on Play-Asia that ordered the game and he lives in Europe and said it worked fine for him. I have a North American 360, but I want the Asian version instead for the reasons below.

I want to know is if the game lets you switch between English/Japanese voice, and if it has the original Japanese names (Vega = M. Bison, etc). On one of their pics, it says you can switch between Japanese and English text though. So yes, answers would be appreciated! Thanks!
 
Beat the game once with any character in Arcade mode and it opens up the option to change each and every character's voice to either Japanese or English. This is the US version. Don't think it has the original Japanese names though.
 
Yeah I'm trying to find info on the Asian version of the game. For the most part, I'm pretty sure Asian versions are nearly identical to Japanese, unless noted...but yeah, anybody else know? @_@
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Beat the game once with any character in Arcade mode and it opens up the option to change each and every character's voice to either Japanese or English. This is the US version. Don't think it has the original Japanese names though.[/quote]

In the cutscenes, if you are set to Japanese voices, they say the Japanese versions of the characters names. It doesn't change the names in the game, but honestly, that doesn't matter to me.

On a side note, does anyone know of a place that has a high res screenshot of the Captain Buffalo logo that is in the artwork section for Balrog? I would LOVE to put that logo on a t-shirt, but I can't find anything anywhere and I don't have the capability to do a screen capture.
 
The newest ranking charts are in. Obviously, there are going to be objections and this is purely unscientific but here they are. Unofficially compiled by Japanese players. Also, these charts will evolve and change as the game ages and new strategies are found. The chart works like this: If 2 evenly skilled players used a character and played each other 10 times how many times would each player win. For example, I pick Zangief and play against Sagat. I'm expected to win only 3 times and Sagat should win 7 times. This is done with all the characters and the wins are totalled and that's their score and they are then sorted. Keep in mind that THESE TIER CHARTS ONLY WORK AT HIGH LEVEL GAMEPLAY. So maybe your El Fuerte crushes your friends all the time but you might actually suck at a high level tournament. That said there is a fairly small spread between the tiers still. It's fairly tightly packed together with only 41 wins spread between top and bottom.

sfchart.jpg

I find some of the rankings to be kinda odd and wonder what happened and why. Initially at launch alot of the top SRK players rated Rose as the highest tier character out of all the console characters and at this list she's bottom tier. Boxer is high up but I'm quite sure will fall pretty quickly as the tournament scene goes on since he's pretty limited once you figure out his tricks. And C. Viper I see going up since she's one of the most flexible characters around.

Which brings us to an American chart

The arithmetic is WAY off on the chart (which is ironic, for reasons that will remain unmentioned).
Some matches don't add up to 10 (Eg. Cammy vs Gouken, is 4-4 WTF?)
The sum totals for each character was completely off too.
I just fixed it by taking the top half and extrapolated the bottom half from it. Here is the outcome:

1. Sagat 153(+33)

2. Balrog 140(+20)
3. Blanka 136(+16)
4. Zangief 135(+15)
5. Ryu 134(+14)
6. Seth 131(+11)

7. Chun Li 129(+9)
8. M.Bison 127(+7)
8. Rufus 127(+7)
10. Akuma 126(+6)
10. Ken 126(+6)
12. C.Viper 122(+2)
13. E.Honda 121(+1)

14. Dhalsim 120(-)
15. Guile 119(-1)
16. Gouken 118(-2)
17. Abel 117(-3)
18. El Fuerte 114(-6)
19. Fei Long 111(-9)

20. Vega 107(-13)
21. Cammy 104(-16)
21. Gen 104(-16)
23. Rose 103(-17)
24. Dan 100(-20)
25. Sakura 76(-44)
Note: American Names

This chart was compiled by Bokchoy on the SRK boards. Despite asian stereotype, the math was all off. Not everyone plays 10 matches and sum totals are off for some characters too. He (re)did some math of his own and some characters move pretty far (See Seth, Vega, Fuerte, Sakura).

So what's everyone elses thoughts? Keep in mind tier lists are always changing, dependent on the players, and even dependent on the region where you play.
 
Finally got to play SF4 for the first time yesterday! As a break in between studying for the two tests I have tomorrow -_-. The pace of the game seemed considerably slower to me than SF2 turbo on the highest turbo setting, but I had a blast. I wasn't expecting the greatest game ever. However, I was not disappointed either. It is definitely a solid fighter and a worth successor to SF2 turbo.

My friends wouldn't believe it was the first time I played SF4. I wound up winning 19 matches in a row after splitting my initial six matches. One of my friends has beaten the game on the hard difficulty, too. I guess all those years of SF2 fighting have been imbued deep in my mind. Very easy to get into for a street fighter II vet.

I like the added layer of complexity with the focus attacks, although I am still on the fence as to whether I am a fan of the super/ultra attacks. I think they threw the balance/complexion of the match off a bit too much as of now. I think Akuma's ultra seemed to do 1/3 ish damage to my Ryu every time I got hit by one. However, with a little timing and practice, I guess they are fairly easy to avoid/block most damage.
And the game looked gorgeous in HD, imho and I'm usually not a sucker for pretty graphics.
 
[quote name='darkcecil32'] although I am still on the fence as to whether I am a fan of the super/ultra attacks. I think they threw the balance/complexion of the match off a bit too much as of now. I think Akuma's ultra seemed to do 1/3 ish damage to my Ryu every time I got hit by one.[/quote]

only a third?! you got lucky, Akuma's Ultra can do a little over 2 thirds of damage...
 
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