Suda 51: Wii is only for non-gamers, games don't sell, only nintendo titles do well

Isn't he good friends with Kojima? I think Suda will definitely release his next game in the U.S. first, kinda like Kojima with MGS. Anyway, I've been looking forward to NMH, it's going to be the third game I have for my Wii(which has been collecting dust for some months).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']A few hours. My gf loved it.[/quote]

So your girlfriend loves horseshit? What's that say about you?
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']So your girlfriend loves horseshit? What's that say about you?[/QUOTE]

That she has great taste in men despite her shitty taste in games!
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That she has great taste in men despite her shitty taste in games![/quote]
...I don't think that's it. ;)
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']One doesn't have to play a game to know that you'd hate it. Be it that you hate the license, hate the genre, see that it gets shit review everywhere etc.

I mean, Ninjabread Man is at 17% on Gamerankings for god's sake.

Life's too short, and I'm far too busy, to even play all the great games I'd like. Much less to take time playing the utter shit games so I can have a more informed opinion to express to net nerds.

Give me a break.[/QUOTE]
No, YOU give US a break! He was responding to JD who said those games were for people with no taste (not simply matching HIS tastes, though I guess that is one and the same to him). Specifically: "Well, no...for every Ninjabread Man you can dispute 'our' claims with, there are ten High School Musicals or Hannah Montanas or 50 Cent Bulletproofs. Like I said, people on the whole have no taste.". You didn't even defend him properly as he conceded that Ninjabread Man is a bad game with bad sales (unlike the others) - so you bringing that up is completely superfluous.

Hey, I have no interest in HM or HSM but I'm aware there are people out there who like that stuff and it is certainly possible for a game to be well-crafted using those licenses. Dismissing it all as "no taste" garbage based on no knowledge of the actual game itself is what rjung was addressing (IMO ;)).

Anyway, I'm off to play your way overrated Mass Effect. Yeah, it's OK (good solid 7-8 so far) - I like running around the Citadel finishing up the sidequests but I'm dreading those awful "action" segments and trying to delay them as much as possible ;).

But OOOH, this game has a fully-voiced script, whoo-de-fucking-doo. While technically impressive I could have lived with text bubbles and non-HD graphics just fine... (Personally, for me Blue Dragon did way more with the HD thing than Mass Effect - to this point anyway). Supposedly it's all about the story and that aspect could have been done just fine on the Wii...

Anyway, back on the topic of the OP. I think all Wii owners (at least here on CAG) are a bit disappointed in the third-party results (both the actual games and the sales of those games when they are excellent like Zack & Wiki). But we just have to assume it will pick up like the DS did. If it doesn't, oh well, we will always have stellar Nintendo titles.
 
[quote name='io']
Hey, I have no interest in HM or HSM but I'm aware there are people out there who like that stuff and it is certainly possible for a game to be well-crafted using those licenses. Dismissing it all as "no taste" garbage based on no knowledge of the actual game itself is what rjung was addressing (IMO ;)).
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I'd agree licensed games an be good. But I was just saying that you can use knowledge of license, developer etc. and average review score to write off a game without playing it. If an HM or HSM game is averaging 80%, I'm not going to write if off. If it gets panned universally, then it's easy to say it's a typical piece of licensed horseshit.

[quote name='io']
Anyway, I'm off to play your way overrated Mass Effect. Yeah, it's OK (good solid 7-8 so far) - I like running around the Citadel finishing up the sidequests but I'm dreading those awful "action" segments and trying to delay them as much as possible ;).

But OOOH, this game has a fully-voiced script, whoo-de-fucking-doo. While technically impressive I could have lived with text bubbles and non-HD graphics just fine... (Personally, for me Blue Dragon did way more with the HD thing than Mass Effect - to this point anyway). Supposedly it's all about the story and that aspect could have been done just fine on the Wii...
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Sorry you're not enjoying it much. Different strokes for different folks. I loved the combat. I hate turn based RPGs. Oh wow, I pick commands and watch my guys do something. Exciting! Having control of the battles just gets me much more into the games. As did the awesome graphics (make sure you turn off film grain and motion blur in the settings), the voice acting and the dialog options and how the affect outcomes.

But that's the great thing about gaming today, there's something for everyone within most every genre. Turn based stuff like Blue Dragon for you, action RPGS like Mass Effect for me.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'd agree. But I was just saying that you can use knowledge of license, developer etc. and average review score to write off a game without playing it. If an HM or HSM game is averaging 80%, I'm not going to write if off. If it gets panned universally, then it's easy to say it's a typical piece of licensed horseshit.[/quote]
That's bullshit man.

You just said that even if Nintendogs got 84% in the majority of reviews, it was still horseshit. But now you say that if HM or HSM get a 80%, they're totally not horseshit.

Basically you got called out by IO, and now you're backpedaling.

It's almost like you were a clown in a previous life.

A clown with a unicycle.
 
You didn't even defend him properly as he conceded that Ninjabread Man is a bad game with bad sales (unlike the others) - so you bringing that up is completely superfluous.


Right. It is a bad game and, best as I understand it, it has "bad sales". I was just countering it as an example presented to demonstrate that the 'general public' is discerning enough to not buy crap. Slap a license on that shit, or make it a super-blatantly title minigame collection on the Wii (see: Game Party), and people will buy it and buy it some more.

Like so many others, I don't have time to find out firsthand just how bad or surprisingly 'unbad' one of the supposed "shovelware" games is. Hell, I don't have a Pile of Shame for my unplayed games, I have a mountain range. (CAG will do that to you.) I rely on a.) common sense, b.) aggregate review scores, and c.) Seanbaby as the tiebreaker.

P.S. I don't have a problem with non-gamers playing shit games...until that mentality affects the games I/we play. Like I've said before, when the next Zelda game has a boss that is beaten through a 15 x 15 square Picross puzzle, complete with hints, it...is...ON.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']That's bullshit man.

You just said that even if Nintendogs got 84% in the majority of reviews, it was still horseshit. But now you say that if HM or HSM get a 80%, they're totally not horseshit.

Basically you got called out by IO, and now you're backpedaling.

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No, I call Nintendogs horseshit as it's a non-game, and I hate those. But I won't belittle people who play it since its a well liked game.

People playing Ninjabread Man (17%) I will belittle people for supporting it because it's not a well made game, but a complete piece of crap by any standards.

That's the difference. I'll call anything I don't like horseshit because I'm just strong opinioned like that. But there's still a difference between something that's horseshit because it's a genre I don't care for and something that's complete shovelware.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']No, I call Nintendogs horseshit as it's a non-game, and I hate those. But I won't belittle people who play it since its a well liked game.[/quote]
By inherently calling it bullshit, you're belittling people's taste who enjoy it.

Here you go.



This is the top of the Nimbus freestyle range.

I bet just looking at it feels like home. :)

Fact is no one is going to question you on calling Ninjabread Man horseshit. However, when you start throwing out generalized, blanket statements or start calling crapping all over games that aren't really horseshit, you just look foolish and open yourself to be called out on.

Just some friendly advice.

(The only way to respond to this post and not look completely silly is just to respond that you don't care whether you belittle people or not.)
 
dmaul1114 - I know that you have strong opinions on these games but it seems like no one is going to understand your point of view...at this point I suggest staying out of this thread, or stop talking negatively about games you don't like.

Zen Davis - Everyone has different opinions to all games, that's why there's a wide variety of titles and consoles to play them on. So dmaul1114 doesn't like a lot of Nintendo titles....so what....If his opinion disturbs you or offends you so much, put him on your ignore list and put an end to this bickering.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']Casual gamers are not so much dumb as ignorant. Most of them will not take the time to read reviews or research games. I can't count the number of times I have seen people ask store clerks (even at Target) "So, what game is good?"
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The problem with the Wii games was that there simply weren't enough games on the shelves for gamers to make a choice, when all the first party games were gone and retail stores were not stocking any more before Christmas people just picked up any game because "its a Wii game and I need it for a Christmas gift for a kid".

From the behavior that I have seen in the stores yes casual gamers are ignorant and they will pick up anything that is on the shelves, and high prices do turn them off, they are definitely more likely to pick up that 19.99 game vs that 49.99 game because to them its just a game and there is no difference other than the price. I cannot count the times I have steered parents AWAY from crap games like Chicken Shoot and steered them towards players choice games or games that at least I knew had a more favorable opinion in general. I am sure their kids silently thanked me for not having to play Chicken Shoot all Christmas break heh!

The Wii is attracting a new breed of stupid gamers, aka the ones who buy the console just because it has bowling, tennis and those fun looking sports games on it. They think that Wii sports is the Wii and thats it. The DS doesn't necessarily attract this crowd as much as the Wii does because I have seen people in stores discerning between good and bad DS games, but with the Wii people just buy anything, its a totally different crowd and a totally different mindset of people.

Kids are also very impressionable and last minute so if they see those 19.99 games on the shelves its a lot easier to get their parents to buy them a "new game" if it only costs 19.99. Kids don't care and they just want a "new game" because they are not taught any better. Some people do teach their kids though but the amount that are impulse buyers outweighs the parents who teaches their kids to make informed decisions on games. But this has been going on for forever so its not a new thing, look at all the crap that was on the GBC and even on the NES that kids bought up just cause some kid was wanting a "new game" somewhere.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']dmaul1114 - I know that you have strong opinions on these games but it seems like no one is going to understand your point of view...at this point I suggest staying out of this thread, or stop talking negatively about games you don't like.

Zen Davis - Everyone has different opinions to all games, that's why there's a wide variety of titles and consoles to play them on. So dmaul1114 doesn't like a lot of Nintendo titles....so what....If his opinion disturbs you or offends you so much, put him on your ignore list and put an end to this bickering.[/quote]
I'm neither disturbed nor offended. I just wish he either stuck to his guns or said he was wrong but neither would have bothered me since I actually got thinking about the fact that they make professional unicycles. Sure you know they exist somewhere in the world, but until you see a site sellling them, you never come to grasp that someone, somewhere in the world is looking for such things.

Either way, take a look at this seeming bloody, zombie killing Japanese cowgirl in a bikini atrocity.

http://the-magicbox.com/0801/game080120d.shtml

It comes for the Wii.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92HfnSqW_ts[/MEDIA]
 
You wanna talk about "backpedaling"...

Mistranslation my ass. He wants his game to sell, and he knows that he pissed off Nintendo and its legions by insinuating that the Wii was anything short of the Greatest Console In the History of Forever. This isn't nearly as offensive as the developer from GDC (I believe) calling the Wii "shit" last year, but it's certainly sufficient to provoke. Exhibit A: this thread.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']
(The only way to respond to this post and not look completely silly is just to respond that you don't care whether you belittle people or not.)[/QUOTE]

I post opinions, often harshly. If people take that as belittling, then so be it. But I don't see why people should feel belittled because someone calls a game they like horseshit. That's awfully thin skin.

Like I said I couldn't care less if someone calls a game I loved horseshit. Doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed the shit out of the game. *shrugs*

People just need to play what they like, post their impressions of it if they feel like it, and not get upset and get into pissing matches about who's opinion is "right." There are no wrong opinions of games. Different strokes, for different folks.
 
On that Wii is shit thing. He also called the 360 and PS3 horrible because of lots of reasons. PC game developers don't like the restrictions of consoles. It's one of the reasons i will always be a PC gamer first.

Game developers don't like learning new ways to code and buying engines, tools, and assets to make a game look better then what they can already do on another console. It's not rocket science.

I don't like fanboyism but really. Wii is doing pretty well third pary actually. For games that are built for the system. Resident Evil UC is almost at a Million and that didn't have much marketing behind it. If Red Steel can do a million on Wii anything can you just need to have an interesting idea and marketing.

If those 2 games can do so well and in fact better then these third party party games then I think so called gamer games will do well on Wii going forward. I know i'm buying No More Heroes coming up.
 
[quote name='j.elles']
If those 2 games can do so well and in fact better then these third party party games then I think so called gamer games will do well on Wii going forward. I know i'm buying No More Heroes coming up.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point. And I do expect the Wii to take off more this year. The DS was similarly suck-ass it's first year, and really took off due to getting better third party support in it's second year.

Though on the other hand I only bought 3 DS games last year (Planet Puzzle League, Picross and Zelda) and don't really see anything on the 2008 horizon yet, so that has tapered off for me lately.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I was just countering it as an example presented to demonstrate that the 'general public' is discerning enough to not buy crap. Slap a license on that shit, or make it a super-blatantly title minigame collection on the Wii (see: Game Party), and people will buy it and buy it some more.[/quote]
Go look up the NPD sales numbers for Game Party sometime and get educated, will ya? That game -- like all the genuine get-rich-quick PS2 shovelware ports -- tanked. Which contradicts your "people will buy it and buy it some more" claim.

--R.J.
 
dmaul1114:

Dementium the Ward
Call of Duty 4
Lunar Knights
Glory Days 2
Custom Robo
I picked up on the cheap at some of the sales last year. All good and recomended if you like the genre they are in.

Custom Robo is like Pokemon but the battles are mech battles in a 3d arena. Pretty fun though i'm only 3 hours into it.

Plus most of the squareenix games, that Sonic bioware game, and Ninja Gaiden for DS all look good.
 
Fresh off the press, on the Grasshopper website:
Important Announcement

20 Jan 2008
This is Suda51, director of "NO MORE HEROES". Currently on promotional tour through 5 European contries.
Having visited in United Kingdom, France, and Italy, currntly in Milan for the weekend.

I am concered to learn my comments in one interview regarding the success of Nintendo 3rd party titles have been misinterpreted.
My point was that "NO MORE HEROES", unlike a lot of Nintendo Wii titles curently available is the kind of product which will attract a different kind of consumer to the hardware, ie. gamers who are looking for a different genre to the products which have been successful on this platform thus far.

Grasshopper Manufacture Inc.
CEO Goichi Suda
Click to expand...

So he apparently didnt mean his original statements in the way they have commonly be interpreted.
 
[quote name='j.elles']dmaul1114:

Dementium the Ward
Call of Duty 4
Lunar Knights
Glory Days 2
Custom Robo
I picked up on the cheap at some of the sales last year. All good and recomended if you like the genre they are in.

Custom Robo is like Pokemon but the battles are mech battles in a 3d arena. Pretty fun though i'm only 3 hours into it.

Plus most of the squareenix games, that Sonic bioware game, and Ninja Gaiden for DS all look good.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, that's my problem for the most part I don't like some of those genres. I'm not familiar with Dementium or Glory Days 2 though, so I'll have to look into those, so thanks for the recommendations.

I'm somewhat interested in CoD4 as I love it on the 360, but I'm hesitant about it after how much I hated the controls in Metroid Hunters.

The Sonic bioware game could be good, love their stuff but I'm not a big fan of the Sonic universe so I worry about the story being able to suck me in. Ninja Gaiden I'll probably skip as I didn't care for the touch screen controls in Zelda.

But I'm sure some sleeper games will pop up for me as the year goes on.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Fresh off the press, on the Grasshopper website:


So he apparently didnt mean his original statements in the way they have commonly be interpreted.[/quote]

I hope it does.
 
On the DS.

I own a palm pilot so already have a good stylus but if you don't then buying a pen stylus or a larger stylus built for adult hands is a must.

The stylus that comes with the DS is bad don't use it if you have even average sized hands. It's built for kids, or Japanese people I guess.

I think that might make people think games that control with the stylus are better; like Metroid Hunters, Kirby CC, and Zelda PH. Also be sure that the touch screen is calibrated correctly. Banging on it can mess it up in my experience.
 
I wish he'd do an American tour :cry:

I'd go pretty much anywhere I'd need to in order to meet him, get some of that toilet paper, and get him to sign something/picture taken.
 
[quote name='j.elles']
I think that might make people think games that control with the stylus are better; like Metroid Hunters, Kirby CC, and Zelda PH. Also be sure that the touch screen is calibrated correctly. [/QUOTE]


Nah, it's not a stylus or calibration issue. I loved Kirby Canvas Curse! And touch screen controls are great for puzzle games etc.

With Metroid I just couldn't find a way to hold it where i could use the touch screen and the D-pad/shoulder button without my hands cramping up after 15-20 minutes.

And on Zelda the controls worked ok technically, but they just weren't as precise for movement and sword use as traditional controls, and it felt like the combat, bosses etc. were thus dumbed down to account for the new controls. You lost all the stuff like locking on and rolling around, back flipping away, having different sword moves and counters etc. that we got in the N64 and GC games.
 
[quote name='alongx']Did you not read my post? I even put it in there: not even Nintendo titles do that well in Japan.[/QUOTE]
You're picking and grabbing suda's points, and meshing them together into some frankenstein monster of a point.
 
Zelda PH is a in the vein of Link to the Past to me. It's an overhead 2d Zelda game not a 3d game. And in the end as that I think it's good.

I think with this engine they should definetly try for a real 3d Zelda game on DS though.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
And on Zelda the controls worked ok technically, but they just weren't as precise for movement and sword use as traditional controls, and it felt like the combat, bosses etc. were thus dumbed down to account for the new controls. You lost all the stuff like locking on and rolling around, back flipping away, having different sword moves and counters etc. that we got in the N64 and GC games.[/quote]I don't have a DS, so I haven't paid much attention. Isn't PH a 2D Zelda? Have 2D Zeldas ever had locking on or back flipping?
 
[quote name='rjung']Go look up the NPD sales numbers for Game Party sometime and get educated, will ya? That game -- like all the genuine get-rich-quick PS2 shovelware ports -- tanked. Which contradicts your "people will buy it and buy it some more" claim.
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Interesting that in the current Best Buy 2 for $30 sale that Game Party went OOS near the beginning of the sale. Also interesting that both games with the word "party" in the title sold out.

This is, of course, proof of nothing. Best Buy could have had limited supplies of both titles.

But, given the right exposure -- I sure haven't seen Game Party before, and barely remembered the review I read of it because the name and subject is so generic -- it appears that people will buy it.

P.S. Hi Robert. I recognize you from Usenet, back from the days when we measured a console by its bitsize.
 
Go look up the NPD sales numbers for Game Party sometime and get educated, will ya? That game -- like all the genuine get-rich-quick PS2 shovelware ports -- tanked. Which contradicts your "people will buy it and buy it some more" claim.

Thanks for that tidbit, blandstalker. When the NPD numbers come out in full force, or more specifically, when people are, ahem, 'recommending' that I look them up, I drop the tug-of-war rope and raise my arms in resignation, Revenge of the Nerds-style!

You 'win', "R.J."!* And I'm tapping out here. Good day to al--well, most.

*--And why is the footnote so annoying to so many, but the 'manual sig' in every post where one's username is easily observable not?? It's just me, not the asterisk, I know it.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']You wanna talk about "backpedaling"...

Mistranslation my ass. He wants his game to sell, and he knows that he pissed off Nintendo and its legions by insinuating that the Wii was anything short of the Greatest Console In the History of Forever. This isn't nearly as offensive as the developer from GDC (I believe) calling the Wii "shit" last year, but it's certainly sufficient to provoke. Exhibit A: this thread.[/QUOTE]

As far as I can tell, the only thing this thread is evidence of is that people who don't think calling a game "horseshit" is a productive way of stating a negative opinion will be written off as fanboys by those who don't get that.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']Interesting that in the current Best Buy 2 for $30 sale that Game Party went OOS near the beginning of the sale. Also interesting that both games with the word "party" in the title sold out.

This is, of course, proof of nothing. Best Buy could have had limited supplies of both titles.[/quote]
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. From what I hear, standard practice for retailers buying those low-profile titles is to order a handful and see how they do. The fact that they're listed on a "buy 2 for $30" sale so soon speaks for itself, IMO.
[quote name='blandstalker']But, given the right exposure -- I sure haven't seen Game Party before, and barely remembered the review I read of it because the name and subject is so generic -- it appears that people will buy it.[/quote]
Some people will buy it. And their recommendations to friends will influence whether or not more copies get sold...
[quote name='blandstalker']P.S. Hi Robert. I recognize you from Usenet, back from the days when we measured a console by its bitsize.[/QUOTE]
Certainly easier than measuring them by the number of polygons, eh? ;)
[quote name='jollydwarf']When the NPD numbers come out in full force, or more specifically, when people are, ahem, 'recommending' that I look them up, I drop the tug-of-war rope and raise my arms in resignation, Revenge of the Nerds-style![/quote]
Translation: I've got no evidence to support my claims, so I'm doing the 100-meter backpedal out of this one...

--R.J.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']You wanna talk about "backpedaling"...

Mistranslation my ass. He wants his game to sell, and he knows that he pissed off Nintendo and its legions by insinuating that the Wii was anything short of the Greatest Console In the History of Forever. This isn't nearly as offensive as the developer from GDC (I believe) calling the Wii "shit" last year, but it's certainly sufficient to provoke. Exhibit A: this thread.[/quote]Your attempts to understand the Nintendo fanboy will one day bear fruit, but not this day. Most people I know are more of the mind "screw Japan, just wait till your game is released here." Pretty sure I've heard zero people decide to boycott his game because of any supposed anti-Nintendo comments.

Of more concern should be his perceived "censorship" of the Japanese and PAL versions of the game. Lots more gamer backlash there.

[quote name='blandstalker']Interesting that in the current Best Buy 2 for $30 sale that Game Party went OOS near the beginning of the sale. Also interesting that both games with the word "party" in the title sold out.

This is, of course, proof of nothing. Best Buy could have had limited supplies of both titles.

But, given the right exposure -- I sure haven't seen Game Party before, and barely remembered the review I read of it because the name and subject is so generic -- it appears that people will buy it. [/quote]I have no such access to NPD numbers, but I've actually seen a commercial for Game Party. So considering it's the only commercial I've ever seen in my expansive TV watching for a third party Wii game since launch, coupled with the price point, I'd be surprised if it didn't sell reasonably well.
 
I think the problem (and someone else said it in this thread too) is that first party Nintendo games just don't drop in price. It's up to the retailers but beyond that Nintendo keeps them at the original MSRP for quite some time. If NMH launches at $30 or $20 (or maybe even $35) I'd probably get it. But why pay $50 for NMH when I can get TP? It's sad.

Developers should realize that a part of the Wii demographic bought it because it was the cheapest of the three. They also probably would buy Wii Sports 2 over Metroid Prime 3 if they were priced the same, but if Wii Sports 2 was $50 and MP3 was $20 they'd probably go for MP3. Since Endless Ocean is $30 I might go for that instead of NMH, because both are games that I want to take a chance on if reveiw scores are good.

I don't really have a problem with a mini game collection so long as it's good. The only ones so far that I can think of are Wii Sports and WarioWare.

I also want to speak out against the "all 12 year olds are ok with shit" sterotype. Chances are that when you people were 12 you had matured enough to at least know what was thrown together to cash in and what took years of development and refining. However, I'm disapointed to say the majority of 12 year olds I know are ok with playing shit games.

Nintendo needs a Player's Choice lineup for DS and Wii. I'm getting sick of this. Make anything $20 and it will sell.
 
How are Suda's new comments any different than the old ones? He still essentially says, "Wii is for non-gamers so I'm gonna bring something for the 'real' gamers. If it doesn't sell, that's why. Not because it might be a steaming pile of doo doo like Killer 7."
 
[quote name='j.elles']Zelda PH is a in the vein of Link to the Past to me. It's an overhead 2d Zelda game not a 3d game. And in the end as that I think it's good.

I think with this engine they should definetly try for a real 3d Zelda game on DS though.[/QUOTE]

I can see that. But Link to the Past still plays much better in terms of running around and sword combat that this (played through it on the VC a month or two before playing PH).

I just didn't dig having total stylus control in the game, and would have enjoyed it much more with normal d-pad and buttons control. It just didn't add anything for me, and actually lessened my enjoyment a bit. Not that it's terrible, I'd give it a solid 8.0 despite the control, linear dungeons and the repetition of the Ocean King temple. It's a very good game, just not up to the near perfect level of most Zelda games IMO.

But enough on that game in this thread! :D
 
[quote name='The Crotch']I don't have a DS, so I haven't paid much attention. Isn't PH a 2D Zelda? Have 2D Zeldas ever had locking on or back flipping?[/QUOTE]

It is overhead, but with 3D characters. They could have worked in some more stuff.

But like I said in my post above this one, the controls just didn't work as well as even Link to the Past IMO. Moving around just isn't as precise, nor are sword swings, so the combat was dumbed down a bit with most enemies just being tap them once or twice to automatically slice them and kill them. VS enemies where you'd have to hit, dodge for a while, hit again etc. in the other 2D zelda games.
 
You don't remember the common Link's Awakening enemies, do you?

Step 1: Hold sword and shield out.
Step 2: Run in to enemy a bunch of times.
Step 3: Skittles

[quote name='jollydwarf'] It's just me, not the asterisk, I know it.[/quote]Huzzah for self-awareness!
 
[quote name='The Crotch']You don't remember the common Link's Awakening enemies, do you?

Step 1: Hold sword and shield out.
Step 2: Run in to enemy a bunch of times.
Step 3: Skittles
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Oh I do, that's why I didn't compare it to the pre- LTTP Zeldas. Phantom Hourglass is better than any of the NES games or Link's Awakening for sure IMO.

Just not as good as the post-LTTP games (i.e. the 3D ones, the GBC games and Minish Cap). But some like it better than some of those, so it's definitely a YMMV thing.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
Sorry you're not enjoying it much. Different strokes for different folks. I loved the combat. I hate turn based RPGs. Oh wow, I pick commands and watch my guys do something. Exciting! Having control of the battles just gets me much more into the games. As did the awesome graphics (make sure you turn off film grain and motion blur in the settings), the voice acting and the dialog options and how the affect outcomes.
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About Mass Effect: Well I didn't say I was "not enjoying it much" - after all I sunk about 8 hours into it the last 2 nights. Not to derail this thread further (though, I guess, I will ;)) but now that I have left the Citadel and the game has opened up (I had a choice of about 8 systems to go to) I like it much more. I know you don't like that kind of wide open (sandbox or whatever) system, but I am enjoying it more now because of that. And I don't mind the combat so much if I can stay in my Mako - it kind of reminds me of Chromehounds a bit, actually. But the on foot shooting stuff is a bit much. I went in to one place and got swarmed and destroyed before I could even figure out which button to push to pause the damn thing :lol:. But maybe I'm just not leveled up enough - see, if this was turn-based I'd be able to tell what the hell happened!
 
[quote name='davo1224']How are Suda's new comments any different than the old ones? He still essentially says, "Wii is for non-gamers so I'm gonna bring something for the 'real' gamers. If it doesn't sell, that's why. Not because it might be a steaming pile of doo doo like Killer 7."[/QUOTE]
Because people were (mis)interpreting his earlier comments as "Man, if I had known Nintendo was going to release a system that's solely for the drooling casual masses, I would've put my badass hardcore game on a badass hardcore console instead."

--R.J.
 
[quote name='Doomed']I think the problem (and someone else said it in this thread too) is that first party Nintendo games just don't drop in price. It's up to the retailers but beyond that Nintendo keeps them at the original MSRP for quite some time. If NMH launches at $30 or $20 (or maybe even $35) I'd probably get it. But why pay $50 for NMH when I can get TP? It's sad.[/quote]

But shouldn't you already have one of the best Zelda games already? It is THE!!! launch game. It is also a very good game. Don't most Wii owners have this by now in some form or another? So they should pass on TP, since it is waiting for them at home. DUH! ;)
 
[quote name='io']About Mass Effect: Well I didn't say I was "not enjoying it much" - after all I sunk about 8 hours into it the last 2 nights. Not to derail this thread further (though, I guess, I will ;)) but now that I have left the Citadel and the game has opened up (I had a choice of about 8 systems to go to) I like it much more. I know you don't like that kind of wide open (sandbox or whatever) system, but I am enjoying it more now because of that. And I don't mind the combat so much if I can stay in my Mako - it kind of reminds me of Chromehounds a bit, actually. But the on foot shooting stuff is a bit much. I went in to one place and got swarmed and destroyed before I could even figure out which button to push to pause the damn thing :lol:. But maybe I'm just not leveled up enough - see, if this was turn-based I'd be able to tell what the hell happened![/QUOTE]

To continue the derail....

Yeah, the game definitely is much better once you get out of The Citadel. I didn't consider it a big sandbox type thing though, as it's still very objective driven in that you basically just go where you assignments tell you for the sidequests, and missions for the missions. You can land on most planets that have a landable option at any time--but a lot of the time you can't do the sidequest there if you don't have it listed in your assignments yet (i.e. the building will often be liked. Some you can do without having them listed though. But if you stick to the assignments list, and are talking to EVERYONE to get them all you'll eventually end up on every planet anyway.

I did enjoy driving around in the Mako to find everything on each planet.

As for sandbox games, I mainly dislike open ended games were you don't have a clear next mission (or know what to do to open up the next mission) or where most of the "fun" is in just dicking around in the world. I like having a big world to explore, as long as it's very quest driven like in this game.

As for the combat, you will get your ass kicked a lot in the first 10-15 hours. Once you level up, get better armor, weapons and ammo/upgrades, and figure out the system better the game gets very easy. After that hump, I hardly died at all--though I did all the sidequests and got to level 50 which I think is about the highest you can get on the first play through.

Tips I'd give you are:

-to be sure to use the right ammo for the enemie (i.e. if you're fighting organics, use something that does extra damage to them; if fighting synthetics--geth--use somethign that does added damage to them)

-learn to make use of cover, especially if fighting enemies with rocket launchers or other thing that can kill you in one or two hits. Stay near something you can step behind to get out of the way and pop out shooting.

-be sure to use the RB button to use your powers as you get them (things like shield boost etc.)--due to lack of a tutorial I missed that feature until I was like 12 hours in. Also missed that the Mako has a cannon that fires with RB as well. But these are critical. If shields are down, use shield boost and so forth. Can really be a life saver.

Hope those help some, it's a great game once you get into the swing of it.
 
[quote name='Kendal']But shouldn't you already have one of the best Zelda games already? It is THE!!! launch game. It is also a very good game. Don't most Wii owners have this by now in some form or another? So they should pass on TP, since it is waiting for them at home. DUH! ;)[/quote]
You're asking this at Cheap Ass Gamer? I'm waiting for the price drop 6 years down the line since I have like 4 other Zeldas at various completion levels.
And I only played a couple hours of OoT
 
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