Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Gen. Discussion & Info

U cann playy brawlz? Jus cleak oye da lenk belaw. :lol:
Otherwise, chat here.

Now that we have a new thread for friend code trading, we can use this one for discussion(so we don't have to litter the "official thread" with stuff like "haha, super flying pit!"(this actually happened) ;)




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[quote name='RawisJericho']But if no one replies, this thread will fall back a few pages... Then everyone will forget about this thread.[/quote]

And then someone ELSE will make the same thread.... causing blackbird to bump his to point it out. And then the arguments begin.
 
[quote name='CosmosTheMouse']And then someone ELSE will make the same thread.... causing blackbird to bump his to point it out. And then the arguments begin.[/quote]

Exactly.
 
[quote name='blaked569']don't reply, eh? why post so early then? looks like someone has a case of "first!!!!"s[/quote] because im making some preporations. But i guess, why not, keep the thread bumped. We're going to need it sooner or later anyway.(but now im starting to think that i started this a little to early...:cry: )
 
You could always just ask a mod to delete these posts later anyway.

I haven't dealt with friend codes too much, but don't you have to have the other person add you as well? You might want to tell people to PM the people they add so that they'll send an add back.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']You could always just ask a mod to delete these posts later anyway.

I haven't dealt with friend codes too much, but don't you have to have the other person add you as well? You might want to tell people to PM the people they add so that they'll send an add back.[/QUOTE]
that's a good point.... I should add that to the OP. Should we sticky this thread? I think alot of people might need this soon...
 
Damn, the Metaknight remix is absolute MONEY. I haven't even gotten halfway through the soundtrack yet, and I've been listening all day.
 
my CC wouldnt let me pre-order cause they didnt get those boxes in.
but they already have the boxes for ninja gaiden sigma and rainbow six 2.
arent those coming out a week after brawl?
dam :(

any more news on brawl pre-orders?
 
Are you sure you, Mr. I-Hate-Reposts-Even-Though-I-Repost-All-The-Time, that you can handle the thread? Editing the first post to include all the friend codes will get very tedious. Especially when people delete one friend code and make a new one to get a fresh start.
 
Myke I am pretty sure some of demos are out of the box while other you have to unlock.



Ohh and I love this picture from the game
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"[SIZE=-1]Oh, what a lovely [/SIZE]Tea Party[SIZE=-1]"[/SIZE]
 
[quote name='lilboo']I thought we were going to just do it in the current Smash Bros thread.[/QUOTE]

I think it deserves it's own thread. Especially since I'm avoiding that thread to keep myself spoiler free :)
 
[quote name='PRMega']I think it deserves it's own thread. Especially since I'm avoiding that thread to keep myself spoiler free :)[/quote]

Not to mention that the thread has a million replies. We should let it die and go to thread heaven once the game actually comes out.
 
If I was a mean, bitter person, I would go throwing spoilers in this thread. But I'm not, so I'll keep my big trap shut.

Still, I think posting the friendy codes would be better suited for the Brawl thread, and turning this one itno a possible CAG Brawl tournament thread.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Been playing EB myself in preparation for the awesome that is Ness.

Still waiting on that Mother 3 translation patch though...[/QUOTE]

They just need to release Earthbound on the VC so I can buy it and finally understand what all the fuss is about.
 
[quote name='lilboo']This SHOULD be out next week :cry: :bomb:[/quote]

we just need to find the airplanes/ships theyre on and take em!!:D
sike
 
hey blackbird, can you spit it into a mariokart/brawl thread? after all, mariokart is out in a few days or so. no worries about the early thread, I'll keep it bumped :D
 
[quote name='StinkyCheese']hey blackbird, can you spit it into a mariokart/brawl thread? after all, mariokart is out in a few days or so. no worries about the early thread, I'll keep it bumped :D[/quote]

Say what now?
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Say what now?[/quote]

hmm. I thought it was going to be released feb' 08. It's been moved to an ominous ''Q2 2008''. My bad
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']Brawl sales 820,000 in first week.

It is interesting to note, that Melee only sold around 358,525 units in roughly the same timespan. (4ish days)[/QUOTE]

I think that's not a good comparison, unless, the install base for the GCN at the time was as high as the Wii is now (or very close to each other). I'm too lazy to look it up, but I don't think so.

The Wii is doing so well, it should be no surprise if games sell better. There are more people to buy them.

What we really need is a % of how many GCN owners bought Melee, and the % of how many Wii owners bought Brawl in Japan. That would be more statistically relevant.

Also, the '4ish days' needs to be extrapolated to one week. Is the 820,000 in an actual week?

Sorry if I seem over-the-top, but it's bad finance habits :p
 
Uhh, I'm sure this has been asked before but I'm not sifting through 260 pages of thread.

Has anyone read any impressions on how the VC controls work? I'd imagine them being the 2nd best option besides GC controllers. Unfortunately, having never owned a GC and wanting only Wavebirds (which cannot be found) I might be stuck with using the VC controller. Thing is, every single preview I've read, they ever only talk about using the sideways Wiimote or a GC controller.

I'd just like to know so I can prepare myself if necessary, to start hunting down Wavebirds like its my job, or if I can just sit back and pick up some VC controllers.

BTW: Pretty fuckin dumb of Nintendo to stop making Wavebirds, especially when Brawl is coming out, and especially when every single preview I read tells gamers to use a GC controller. Granted, I could find wired GC controllers, but who wants that?
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Uhh, I'm sure this has been asked before but I'm not sifting through 260 pages of thread.

Has anyone read any impressions on how the VC controls work? I'd imagine them being the 2nd best option besides GC controllers. Unfortunately, having never owned a GC and wanting only Wavebirds (which cannot be found) I might be stuck with using the VC controller. Thing is, every single preview I've read, they ever only talk about using the sideways Wiimote or a GC controller.

I'd just like to know so I can prepare myself if necessary, to start hunting down Wavebirds like its my job, or if I can just sit back and pick up some VC controllers.[/QUOTE]

The GC controllers are rated the top.

The Wiimote sideways is considered crap.

The Wiimote + Nunchuk is considered unusable. Some people complained about lack of response time using it (???).

The Classic Control is just OK.

Nintendo is lame. They need to man up and put out new GCN controllers. I don't really like the GCN controller (I like the VC one even less), but there really are no other options for this game.

I'm in a worse boat than you. I don't have any GCN controllers anymore, so I actually have to go and buy some.
 
I can't stand Wavebirds, personally. Having to wait 10 minutes to play a game because people are setting up channels, and resetting the console when they don't work is unfun. Wired GC controllers, please.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']The GC controllers are rated the top.

The Wiimote sideways is considered crap.

The Wiimote + Nunchuk is considered unusable. Some people complained about lack of response time using it (???).

The Classic Control is just OK.[/QUOTE]

Just ok? Where'd you read that? I'm just wondering because no preview from any gaming site has even mentioned the VC controller.

I consider myself fairly decent at SB, so having responsive controls is really important to me. I love how none of the Wii-control methods work well BTW. Great job Nintendo.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Just ok? Where'd you read that? I'm just wondering because no preview from any gaming site has even mentioned the VC controller.

I consider myself fairly decent at SB, so having responsive controls is really important to me. I love how none of the Wii-control methods work well BTW. Great job Nintendo.[/QUOTE]

I hang out on the GF message boards. I know there are a lot of kiddies there, but I can't get a better extreme of opinions on gaming matters anywhere else. I read about two different extremes (since almost nobody tightropes on the gray line) and form my own opinion on what's right.

Most people agree the VC is passable, but just about everyone writes that the GCN controllers are superior and more responsive.

Although, you can easily find people trying to use the new Wiimote setups. I might just use the Wiimote + Nunchuck at first to see how good it is before buying anything extra. Maybe, you should give it a try before jumping the gun on buying controllers.

On the other hand, a lot of people will probably want GCN controllers after this comes out, which would make the price of them go up.
 
.....

Who takes ten minutes to set up Wavebird channels?

The above to be read aloud in the same manner as, "Who throws a shoe?"
 
[quote name='Strell'].....

Who takes ten minutes to set up Wavebird channels?

The above to be read aloud in the same manner as, "Who throws a shoe?"[/QUOTE]

The same people who take 10 minutes to sign into their LIVE account ... and the same people who take 10 minutes to sync their Wiimotes to a different Wii ... and the same people ... wait ... there are a lot of people doing stupid stuff all the time, and it's eating 10 minutes of my life EACH TIME. I can never get that time back :whistle2:(
 
[quote name='opportunity777']I think that's not a good comparison, unless, the install base for the GCN at the time was as high as the Wii is now (or very close to each other). I'm too lazy to look it up, but I don't think so.

The Wii is doing so well, it should be no surprise if games sell better. There are more people to buy them.

What we really need is a % of how many GCN owners bought Melee, and the % of how many Wii owners bought Brawl in Japan. That would be more statistically relevant.

Also, the '4ish days' needs to be extrapolated to one week. Is the 820,000 in an actual week?

Sorry if I seem over-the-top, but it's bad finance habits :p[/QUOTE]

Sorry, guess I should have specified better. Brawl's data is Jan. 31 - Feb. 3. Melee's data is Nov. 21, 2001 - Nov. 25, 2001. Both numbers were released mid week, so the "first week" for both is really only 4 days of data.

If we take the most recent number of console owners in Japan ([url="http://wii.ign.com/articles/846/846720p1.html]5 million[/url]), that still means that a copy of brawl sold for roughly every 6 consoles. If the data from the 5 million article is correct, Brawl has sold almost as many copies as Mario Galaxy (840k~) in its first 4 days. I don't know how that compares to Melee within the same context, but it's still an impressive number anyway you put it.
 
[quote name='naes']Are you sure you, Mr. I-Hate-Reposts-Even-Though-I-Repost-All-The-Time, that you can handle the thread? Editing the first post to include all the friend codes will get very tedious. Especially when people delete one friend code and make a new one to get a fresh start.[/QUOTE]
great point, fixed!

As for the editing issue, maybe we should do it outside of CAG. Maybe blogger with shared permissions? I think this game is going to be very huge, and is a big problem even for 5 people...
 
[quote name='Strell'].....

Who takes ten minutes to set up Wavebird channels?

The above to be read aloud in the same manner as, "Who throws a shoe?"[/quote]The same people who nearly bored me to tears setting up a Double Dash LAN session. 12 Wavebirds SOUNDS like a good idea when you're setting it up on paper, but when it comes to actually getting it set up correctly? Forget it.
 
I wonder if the price on Wavebirds will skyrocket on ebay before this game is released here?

Granted, I couldn't get rid of the four that I own, but I think I might start checking the local pawn shops.
 
[quote name='dallow']Wavebirds suck for Smash anyway.
Not all my movements register.[/QUOTE]

This seems to be an issue with all the wireless configurations for Brawl.

[quote name='BlueLobstah']Sorry, guess I should have specified better...[/QUOTE]

I pulled the GCN install base numbers from the Melee timeframe. These are going to be estimates, so rounding is appropriate.

From launch to Nov. 25, 2001, 475K GCN were sold in Japan.

These numbers are from you, so I'm not checking them:

358.5K Melee sold in the '4ish day' timespan. 820K Brawl sold in the '4ish day' timespan

5 million Wii install base in Japan.

16.4% of the install base owns Brawl. 75.5% of the install base owned Melee.

You can balance these numbers by pulling in other variables, such as, the availability of other titles. Melee was released only a couple of months after launch in Japan, so one could argue less competitors were in the GameCube market for people's hard-earned Yen. It's also possible the game is not as well-received for various reasons, that the population of gamers who enjoy and buy Smash games has a maximum limit (which it does, but we can only estimate using simulations) so sale % SHOULD stagnate, or the game would sell more efficiently in different regions.

Even still, Melee is much more successful and efficient sales-wise than the Wii. Actually, I read somewhere (I'm not looking it up) that some Nintendo employees felt SMG should have done better because the install base for the Wii is already larger than the GCN. It's also important to note (like you did) that it sold relatively well to SMG (which I THINK is one of the best selling Wii games). Maybe at this current time, 820K in the 'first week' is the best a Wii game is able to perform in Japan.

[quote name='Rig']I wonder if the price on Wavebirds will skyrocket on ebay before this game is released here?

Granted, I couldn't get rid of the four that I own, but I think I might start checking the local pawn shops.[/QUOTE]

This might happen. I'm thinking of buying some GCN controllers to beat the rush.

[quote name='Mr. Beef']The same people who nearly bored me to tears setting up a Double Dash LAN session. 12 Wavebirds SOUNDS like a good idea when you're setting it up on paper, but when it comes to actually getting it set up correctly? Forget it.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't there be some interference???
 
Well, ok, I suppose not everyone is going to have 12 Wavebirds around them all the time.

In either case, I still prefer the wired controller over the Wavebird. To me, it's less of a hassle.
 
I got 2 black GC controllers on sale at TRU for ~$22 total. I kept them both sealed but I broke down and opened one of them. I might sell the other one around the brawl release... I love the GC controller. It's like a "We're sorry" from Nintendo for that mutant N64 controller. Now I haven't used every controller in history but I think I like the GC controller the best.
 
I heard people doing this for other games, but I never paid attention to it since I didn't have the means to do it.

Will people here be doing the whole voice chat on Live while playing the game on Wii? I mean I just got a 360 recently and have no idea how you guys would make a chat room and all that, but I wouldn't mind trying it out.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']16.4% of the install base owns Brawl. 75.5% of the install base owned Melee.[/QUOTE]
I was merely thought it was interesting just by sheer numbers, and comparing Brawl to the first week of it's predecessor. Although, even comparing the % attach rate seems unfair in retrospect. I would argue that Melee was "more successful" percentage wise due simply to the fact that there were fewer titles to choose from. Also, Melee was released in one of the best selling months of the year.

But keep in mind, Brawl is already closing in on the top 5 Wii sellers in Japan after only 4 days (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Mario Party 8, Wii Fit, and Mario Galaxy). It is interesting to note that Wii Sports itself only has a 50% attachment rate, which makes 16.4% in 4 days sound pretty good.
 
new update is pretty good, being able to swap between samus and zero suit at will is pretty sweet, just wondering if its going to do that energy field every single time, also an excellent way to get some decent items to toss quickly
 
Wavebirds are already going through the roof. You can't find them anywhere, and places you can find them for are used @ $30-$35 and new @ $70-$90.
 
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