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[quote name='JJSP']Still no MythBusters on the Marketplace? BAH![/quote]

Yeah, I'm just as shocked by this as you are. I would have thought that Discovery would have gotten on the ball to offer Mythbusters episodes at $2 or so a pop. Lord knows I would have bought a handful of them just because!
 
[quote name='Kapwanil']Yeah, I'm just as shocked by this as you are. I would have thought that Discovery would have gotten on the ball to offer Mythbusters episodes at $2 or so a pop. Lord knows I would have bought a handful of them just because![/QUOTE]

Is Dirty Jobs on there???
 
I'm sick of all this talk about the PS3's "functionality" because "functionality" is just another term for "required bs I have to pay for if I use it or not." I like the 360 because I don't have to pay for an HD drive in it, or a wireless card in it, or a SD card reader, or 1080p plugs, since I have zero use for those things, and if I had a PS3, I would just be wasting my money by paying for those things.

A lot of people feel this way, and see the choice of the 360's approach more attractive.

Sure it's going to cost more, because the costs aren't being subsidized by forcing everyone who owns the system to pay for it. 100% of PS3 owners pay for a blu ray drive. Everyone who buys a 60GB model pays for a wireless adapter. I think it's safe to say that 15% or less of 360 owners pay for an HD-DVD drive, or Wireless adapter. It just makes sense that those things are going to cost more when they sell less. But to those of us who don't want them, it's a big savings ($200 in price difference)
 
[quote name='io']Don't know if this has been posted or not, but it looks like the Elite does NOT have the 65nm chipset, which blows. I would gladly pay the extra $80 to get that early (compared with the main line). But if now they are going to make the standard model in white with all these features PLUS the 65nm chip and price it back to $400 in the Fall, well, damn, I'm conflicted now. I may just wait :cry:. I'd hate to pay MORE than normal and get the last of the overheating/failing systems. Unless they come out with more info about this supposedly cooler running system (in what way, has it been improved and quieted and cooled in other ways than the 65nm chip would provide?) I'm hesitant...[/QUOTE]
They have said nothing of releasing the Elite in white for $400. It was a rumor, just like they thought it was going to be a limited run for the black, which doesn't seem to be the case. MS says its here to stay and we're going to have 3 SKUs. I'm guessing you're just going to have to wait until Fall, or maybe even next year for the 65nm chip to be in every 360. But, what does the 65nm chip offer that the 90nm chip doesn't? The 360 runs cooler (though I've never had my 360 get hot) and a lower cost to MS. What is really important to you, seems to be a BenQ drive. I haven't been keeping up with it, but I'm guessing they are available for retail now right?
 
[quote name='Kapwanil']Yeah, I'm just as shocked by this as you are. I would have thought that Discovery would have gotten on the ball to offer Mythbusters episodes at $2 or so a pop. Lord knows I would have bought a handful of them just because![/quote]
When did Discovery join the video marketplace? I only see National Geographic on the new list and I don't remember them being on the original list.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']When did Discovery join the video marketplace? I only see National Geographic on the new list and I don't remember them being on the original list.[/QUOTE]
Discovery Channel's not on the marketplace. One could argue that with the Futureweapons sponsorship of Gears Of War, we'd get due for some sort of Discovery involvement with the marketplace.

Discovery Channel is the most widely distributed cable network in the US, and their programming would be perfect for the young male demographic Microsoft aims for with the 360.

I would assume it's only a matter of time. Personally, I can't wait for shows like Mythbusters or Dirty Jobs to make their way to the Marketplace.
 
[quote name='zewone']They have said nothing of releasing the Elite in white for $400. It was a rumor, just like they thought it was going to be a limited run for the black, which doesn't seem to be the case. MS says its here to stay and we're going to have 3 SKUs. I'm guessing you're just going to have to wait until Fall, or maybe even next year for the 65nm chip to be in every 360. But, what does the 65nm chip offer that the 90nm chip doesn't? The 360 runs cooler (though I've never had my 360 get hot) and a lower cost to MS. What is really important to you, seems to be a BenQ drive. I haven't been keeping up with it, but I'm guessing they are available for retail now right?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I posted that right after I got home and read the news (and the confirmation of no 65nm). Well, the hope for the 65nm besides it being cooler and quieter is that it might be more reliable (partly just from being cooler). If, somehow, they have improved the reliability of this system then that would be great (which is why I'd like more info on the "runs cooler" comments from a few days back). But I have a feeling we won't hear much from MS either way on that (they wouldn't want to admit to how extensive the problems were with the old systems).

But you are right about the 3 Sku's and lack of the Elite being limited. So that will make it easy to obtain, in any case. I guess I was close to dropping $400 on the current system (I actually owned a Costco bundle for a week before I returned it unopened). I will probably get the Elite anyway after thinking about it. For one, it does not look like the Elite features will be folded into the premium at $400 with the 65nm processor (ie, it will still be $480) - so that makes me feel a bit better about it. And just looking at the current systems, the $80 seems worth it to me just for the bigger HD if nothing else (HDMI is less important to me right now but will be nice later). However, I think MS will probably drop the prices of all 3 Sku's if Sony drops the PS3 (they'd almost have to if the Elite is too close to the 60GB PS3). That wouldn't really bother me though (if I bought an Elite in the mean time).

As for the BenQ drive, I certainly hope all Elite's have these if nothing else. I have yet to find a current model that was made after October 2006 in any store - so none at retail that I have been able to purchase would have the new DVD drive. Hell, many of the 360's I check out at places like Fry's, Best Buy, CC, have been from as far back as May or June of last year :lol:.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Pretty sure that was the second announcement.[/quote]

Kotaku said the next announcement would be tonight, so I'm hoping that isn't the second announcment. If it is, worst surprise ever.
 
See the thing is...even if it does come with this data transfer cable, it's basically for people who have a 20gb now and want to transfer their saves/downloads/etc over to this new HDD..ok.

But you know what that (from what I believe) means? You can't really upgrade.. You would have to have 2 Xbox360s in your house.. where if i WAS gonna get an Elite, I would try and get the cheaptest way by trading in my current 360 for that...and who knows if GS/EB will have some sort of option to transfer your 20 => 120 at the store when you upgrade..?

When trading in the DS Phat to a DS Lite and you wanted to transfer your friend codes (..sigh) information from one system to another.. that was different since it was fast AND wireless..

But regardless..I don't know why people are THAT mad. Personally, the DS Phat to DS Lite transition was more of a bitch since the DS Lite seemed to pretty much be nearly a whole new system. The Elite really isn't a whole new system..just..more geared towards people who are heavily into HD. If your not that into HD, then you probably won't be downloading a lot of HD movies off of live..so the 20gb HDD should be enough.

Personally, I don't have an HDTV (..::Cries::..) so this isn't that disconcerning for me. But on the bright side, I am excited because I do want a black wireless controller :)

Cheer up people, it really isn't that big of a deal. They just need/want something to go directly head to head with the PS3. This is for people who don't have a 360 yet, and to try and get them on board with us =) And if you want one SOO bad and you already have a 360..then it looks like your going to trade it in. No biggie.

Ok, i'm done :)
 
The Elite's a big fat "Meh" for me, I have a high-def TV and component cables are fine, I think this HDMI stuff is a crock frankly.

The 120 gig drive seems very expensive and a waste of time, unless you're downloading a lot of TV and movies.

And to the PS3 trolls who seem to be infiltrating this XBOX 360 forum, firstly thanks, I'll feel free to go and troll on the PS3 forum now and secondly I could care less about Blu-ray, HDMI etc etc etc, when the PS3 has some decent GAMES on it, you know ones that are actually worth playing then I'll be impressed.

Man, I'm in a foul mood this morning.:bomb:
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Oh I didn't see in his original post he was pricing out the premium. I guess if you price out the Elite now, you can cross off HDMI, don't know what you mean by "true 1080p", I thought they were removing the emotion chip, and yeah, not everyone wants a HD movie player.

After mulling over the official announcement, I really hope MS decides to offer a substantially discounted Add-on with the purchase of an Elite very soon.[/QUOTE]


if you're going to talk value, then look at what's really there, not what you want or don't want. that's how it works. yeah, I don't use blu-ray that much right now either, but it's in there.

Yeah, MS might do that. or they'll just leave this how it is because they're MS and this is what they do when they're comfortable in their position in any market. This is like the Windows ME of 360s. hopefully it won't crash as much.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Apparently, there is no data transfer cable...


http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/03/microsofts_john.html


Perhaps you will be able to upload your saved items to a microsoft server...and download to your new HD.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure their "solution" will be to sell you the cable seperately at a ridiculous pricepoint, just like Microsoft always does with their peripherals. And then morons will come out of the woodwork to claim that "THE 120 GB HARD DRIVE IZ A GOOD DEAL CUZ U GET A $25 CABLE W/ IT"....as if the cable should be 25 bucks in the first place.

Microsoft's "we offer choice" standpoint is quickly going from decent options to most fucking annoying thing in the industry today.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Apparently, there is no data transfer cable...


http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/03/microsofts_john.html


Perhaps you will be able to upload your saved items to a microsoft server...and download to your new HD.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure their "solution" will be to sell you the cable seperately at a ridiculous pricepoint, just like Microsoft always does with their peripherals. And then morons will come out of the woodwork to claim that "THE 120 GB HARD DRIVE IZ A GOOD DEAL CUZ U GET A $25 CABLE W/ IT"....as if the cable should be 25 bucks in the first place.

Microsoft's "we offer choice" standpoint is quickly going from offering decent options to most annoying thing in the industry today. "Would you like to choose to pay for our overpriced cable or hard drive, or would you like to choose to go fuck yourself and stick with our rinky-dink small hard drive?"
 
Weird...I listened to Major Nelson's special mid-week show and his interviewee said there would be an included data transfer cable.
 
Does anyone know what the current sales breakdown of Core vs. Premium consoles is? I'm guessing about 15% Core, 85% Premium. If that's the case, the Elite's sales will only cannibalize the Premium's share... I'm assuming the new sales breakdown will be 15% Core, 70% Premium, 15% Elite.

I feel sorry for retail employees who now have to explain all 3 versions to potential customers. If a parent or Joe Gamer walks into Gamestop and asks for a 360, an employee will have to ask which one.
Joe Gamer: I'd like to buy a 360.
Employee: Which version?
Joe Gamer: Version?
Employee: Yeah: Core, Premium, or Elite.
Joe Gamer: What's the difference?
Employee: *takes time to explain prices, hard drives, extras, HDMI, color, etc.
Joe Gamer: Um.... how about I just get a Wii?
 
I have my 360 and won't waste my money on an elite. I'm not pissed or anything but i do think its a bad ploy on Microsoft's part. For the price they are charging they really should have included a wireless adapter or built in wireless into the elite OR priced it lower to undercut Sony. By releasing a MORE expensive system they are weakining their cost advantage they had.

I've said repeatedly since launch that the 20 GB HD wasn't going to be sufficient and that they would be forced to release something bigger despite all their claims of having no plans to do so. So its no surprise that this is happening but that price is crazy for the HD. Granted laptop HD's cost more then others but they are making a VERY high profit on those HD's.

It's pretty poor taste to release a big revamped console system so soon after launch, handhelds are a different story. Internal revisions don't count as a new model btw since the sku's stay the same. At least though like most have pointed out its not a major deal since the functionality is mostly the same. Just poor business decisions IMO
 
[quote name='Trakan']Kotaku said the next announcement would be tonight, so I'm hoping that isn't the second announcment. If it is, worst surprise ever.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='jeffreyjrose']Does anyone know what the current sales breakdown of Core vs. Premium consoles is? I'm guessing about 15% Core, 85% Premium. If that's the case, the Elite's sales will only cannibalize the Premium's share... I'm assuming the new sales breakdown will be 15% Core, 70% Premium, 15% Elite.

I feel sorry for retail employees who now have to explain all 3 versions to potential customers. If a parent or Joe Gamer walks into Gamestop and asks for a 360, an employee will have to ask which one.
Joe Gamer: I'd like to buy a 360.
Employee: Which version?
Joe Gamer: Version?
Employee: Yeah: Core, Premium, or Elite.
Joe Gamer: What's the difference?
Employee: *takes time to explain prices, hard drives, extras, HDMI, color, etc.
Joe Gamer: Um.... how about I just get a Wii?[/QUOTE]

Ask them if they want to pick up xbox live sub with it. If no then why not? No broadband or its for someone who wont use it? Recommend the core for the lowest price.
Does Joe Gamer have an HDMI enabled tv? Does he think he will use the HDD space? Recommend Elite...but honestly most customers who want an elite will come in knowing what it is.
Otherwise just recommend the premium. Of course with all 3 options you briefly explain the differences but this is after you already recommended the version you think best suites the customer. Also ask them if they think its best for them after you describe the others briefly.

Most parents dont want/need the headache of figuring out whats best for their kids...thats why you work there to guide them. Last but not least, chances are that they would be coming in for a wii and walking out with a 360 because the wii is always sold out.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']Ask them if they want to pick up xbox live sub with it. If no then why not? No broadband or its for someone who wont use it? Recommend the core for the lowest price.
Does Joe Gamer have an HDMI enabled tv? Does he think he will use the HDD space? Recommend Elite...but honestly most customers who want an elite will come in knowing what it is.
Otherwise just recommend the premium. Of course with all 3 options you briefly explain the differences but this is after you already recommended the version you think best suites the customer. Also ask them if they think its best for them after you describe the others briefly.

Most parents dont want/need the headache of figuring out whats best for their kids...thats why you work there to guide them. Last but not least, chances are that they would be coming in for a wii and walking out with a 360 because the wii is always sold out.[/quote]

Lol, I don't work in game retail. Never have, never intend to... I'm just saying that this situation will present itself, and game stores with only 1-2 employees on hand will discover this dilemma.
 
A slimmer of hope, although I think this definitive answer came from the podcast last night in which "Albert" said that there wasn't going to be an upgrade solution for current 360 owners.

If they do this, I will definately give HUGE props to Microsoft.

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/articles/776/776443p2.html (bottom of page 2)


GameSpy: There is no announced solution in place for current Xbox 360 owners to migrate data to the new hard drive if they purchase an Elite system, as the data cable and software is only included in the stand-alone hard drive accessory. What about owners who want to replace their existing system?
Albert Penello: While there isn't a system in place yet, we're working on a system so that current Xbox owners can move from an old box to a new elite.

​
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship']MGS4 will never leave ps3 maybe multiplatform but not exclusive to 360. Come on price raise.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say never! MG started on the NES after all.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']Ask them if they want to pick up xbox live sub with it. If no then why not? No broadband or its for someone who wont use it? Recommend the core for the lowest price.
Does Joe Gamer have an HDMI enabled tv? Does he think he will use the HDD space? Recommend Elite...but honestly most customers who want an elite will come in knowing what it is.
Otherwise just recommend the premium. Of course with all 3 options you briefly explain the differences but this is after you already recommended the version you think best suites the customer. Also ask them if they think its best for them after you describe the others briefly.

Most parents dont want/need the headache of figuring out whats best for their kids...thats why you work there to guide them. Last but not least, chances are that they would be coming in for a wii and walking out with a 360 because the wii is always sold out.[/QUOTE]

It will be confusing to the customer. I picked up my premium at BB and wasn't even talked to by an employee. You EXPECT customer service?
 
My only complaint with the new system is that it really makes it difficult to want to purchase the system at release. I waited 1 year and got one this Christmas.

Now with MS releasing a new version with better hardware basically a version 2 of the 360, I will delay purchasing the next gen systems for several years. I will just wait for version 2 or 3 of the system to come out.

I'm not upset, I just feel that MS and Sony have changed the console market to be more like a PC or Ipod. Newer version with bigger drives and features will come out.

The PS3 without the emulation chip in the future, and now MS with a bigger hard drive and HDMI.

Hopefully Nintendo won't do this next. They may be the only company that understands a console is a console.
 
[quote name='Indiana']I wouldn't say never! MG started on the NES after all.[/QUOTE]

'scuse me while I ruffle through decades of past forum posts of mine.

*ruffleruffleruffle*

OH! Here it is! Check out this nuggest that I left in a Prodigy chatroom:

"Squaresoft will never leave Nintendo. Final Fantasy 64! Say it with me!"
 
[quote name='Indiana']My only complaint with the new system is that it really makes it difficult to want to purchase the system at release. I waited 1 year and got one this Christmas.

Now with MS releasing a new version with better hardware basically a version 2 of the 360, I will delay purchasing the next gen systems for several years. I will just wait for version 2 or 3 of the system to come out.

I'm not upset, I just feel that MS and Sony have changed the console market to be more like a PC or Ipod. Newer version with bigger drives and features will come out.

The PS3 without the emulation chip in the future, and now MS with a bigger hard drive and HDMI.

Hopefully Nintendo won't do this next. They may be the only company that understands a console is a console.[/quote]

Per previous posts... they have already started doing this with their handhelds (Nintendo that is). Bottom line, we the consumers are paying for it... When will it stop? Probably never or until we stop buying this garbage.
 
[quote name='Indiana']It will be confusing to the customer. I picked up my premium at BB and wasn't even talked to by an employee. You EXPECT customer service?[/QUOTE]

The scenario i responded to was one in which a customer was talking to an employee...so yes there was customer service.

If you are shopping somewhere without any sort of customer service it wont matter how many 360 skus there are cuz ur SoL if you dont know what you're doing.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']To the PS3 fanboy's:

If I only have $300, don't have an HDTV, and don't even have internet - Which PS3 does Sony offer my rather large demographic?[/quote]

A playstation 2.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']To the PS3 fanboy's:

If I only have $300, don't have an HDTV, and don't even have internet - Which PS3 does Sony offer my rather large demographic?[/QUOTE]

I hear if you call someone a fanboy, you don't have to deal with their argument, is that true? :lol:

they don't offer one (though PS3 games don't look like Pong on a regular TV.) the argument is that this new 360 is a complete rip off though for those who want an HD system. I don't even know where to begin with the $180 HDD :rofl: that sounds more ridiculous every time I read it.

$600 has been the complaint all along, now we've got a $480 system that doesn't even come close to matching up in features.


I would be all over an upgraded 360, but this one is crippled.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I hear if you call someone a fanboy, you don't have to deal with their argument, is that true? :lol:

they don't offer one (though PS3 games don't look like Pong on a regular TV.) the argument is that this new 360 is a complete rip off though for those who want an HD system. I don't even know where to begin with the $180 HDD :rofl: that sounds more ridiculous every time I read it.

$600 has been the complaint all along, now we've got a $480 system that doesn't even come close to matching up in features.


I would be all over an upgraded 360, but this one is crippled.[/quote]

I still don't see where all of these "features" the PS3 has that the 360 Elite doesn't (besides Blu-Ray) are. Are we talking about Wi-Fi and a card reader? If so, I don't think the term "doesn't even come close" is appropriate. The 360 has some features the PS3 doesn't (like the video marketplace, 60 more GB, rumble)... I suppose I just fail to see what you consider to be a severe lack of features in comparison to the PS3.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']"I know I'm pissed and will not buy another console from Microsoft because of this..."

Because of a revision 18 months after it was released. Don't buy a Nintendo, Sony, Apple, etc. ever then.[/quote]

Now that I think about it and assuming an upgrade plan for existing owners of a 360 does not happen, how many companies have made you pay more for an upgraded version of the same LAUNCH system than you originally paid for it to begin with (excluding Apple because their Ipods are ridiculous)?

360 Premium at launch = $399 vs. 360 Elite = $489

Are there any others?
 
I think the confusion about data transfer cable or not is with the Elite system itself there is no transfer cable, but the seperate 120 GB hard drive for $180 will have a data transfer cable.
 
[quote name='captmurphy']I still don't see where all of these "features" the PS3 has that the 360 Elite doesn't (besides Blu-Ray) are. Are we talking about Wi-Fi and a card reader? If so, I don't think the term "doesn't even come close" is appropriate. The 360 has some features the PS3 doesn't (like the video marketplace, 60 more GB, rumble)... I suppose I just fail to see what you consider to be a severe lack of features in comparison to the PS3.[/QUOTE]



that's the problem. everybody's picking and choosing what they want to call features--it's what's in the system, not what you want, it's what you get when you buy it.

what you get-- Blu-ray for movies (AND for games which is going to matter in the future), wireless, memory card readers (which people will use to back up their data, which the 360 doesn't offer), replaceable HDD, and use any webcam you want, as well a motion sensing controller.

With some of these, you pay out your nose for the MS equivalent. others, you can't do at all. You're right about the 60 more gb though, which I'm sure will be very useful. Also, there will be a video marketplace with the free Home service and the motion sensing controller is better than rumble. anyone who has played Flow (or has had to use it in resistance) will tell you that. Rumble is one of those things you don't notice missing after a few days.

an extra 60gb and an HDMI port doesn't quite match up.


anyway you slice it, the PS3, which has been knocked for its price for months now, is a bargain compared to the Elite. Some would argue it has always been the better value, but now that MS has closed the price gap, it's more obvious.
 
The elite system is a total clusterfuck and is going to hurt MS in the end. Thumbs down on this one, A price drop on the Premium would have helped keep them at the top, but this is going to help PS3 sales if anything.
 
[quote name='captmurphy']I still don't see where all of these "features" the PS3 has that the 360 Elite doesn't (besides Blu-Ray) are. Are we talking about Wi-Fi and a card reader? If so, I don't think the term "doesn't even come close" is appropriate. The 360 has some features the PS3 doesn't (like the video marketplace, 60 more GB, rumble)... I suppose I just fail to see what you consider to be a severe lack of features in comparison to the PS3.[/QUOTE]

You forgot the very most important "feature" that any game console can have: GOOD GAMES.

Shit, the Jaguar had better "features" for the money..... but
 
You people are hillarious.

How fucking stupid would MS be to not release a bigger hard drive? What's the fucking point of a removable drive if it's not upgradable???

If you dumbasses didn't realize when you bought it that there would be an upgraded hard drive eventually, that's your problem.

And it's not like you could even get this HDMI and 120GB HD for the same price as your premium! It's $80 more.

Jesus fucking christ. It plays the same fucking games, this is nothing but good news.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to you dumbasses.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']You people are hillarious.

How fucking stupid would MS be to not release a bigger hard drive? What's the fucking point of a removable drive if it's not upgradable???

If you dumbasses didn't realize when you bought it that there would be an upgraded hard drive eventually, that's your problem.

And it's not like you could even get this HDMI and 120GB HD for the same price as your premium! It's $80 more.

Jesus fucking christ. It plays the same fucking games, this is nothing but good news.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to you dumbasses.[/quote]

It's not $80 more for some... it's more like $480 more at this point. I would be ecstatic if it were just $80 to upgrade, I would even say $180 is a steal.
 
[quote name='Apossum']


anyway you slice it, the PS3, which has been knocked for its price for months now, is a bargain compared to the Elite. [/quote]

You're right we shouldn't knock the PS3 for it's price, much better to knock it for it's piss poor games selection.
 
$80 more for 100 Gigs more of hard drive space and HDMI is not bad when you look at it. This of course is if you have use for those features and didnt already invest in a 360. I dont fall into either category so it doesnt effect me.

For the record id buy a $500 ps3 which would let me play blu ray over a $480 360 that has a big HD

Also i see the elite as a M$ strategy to kill ps3 sales(though like i said with me it would boost them). People who dont know about gaming think the higher the price, the better something is....actually wait that applies to what most people think about everything. By having 3 SKUS, microsoft can compete with the wii at a low price, have its own market at a mid price and now compete with the ps3 at a high price. Not that it wasnt competing with the ps3 before...but like i said with the way some people think, there is only competition if price wise things are somewhat similar.
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']It's not $80 more for some... it's more like $480 more at this point.[/QUOTE]


assuming you get $400 for your 360.

You forgot the very most important "feature" that any game console can have: GOOD GAMES.

Shit, the Jaguar had better "features" for the money..... but
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and you were calling ps3 fans "fanboys"? :lol:

How ing stupid would MS be to not release a bigger hard drive? What's the ing point of a removable drive if it's not upgradable???
Click to expand...

oh...you knew this whole time it would have to be a 120gb HD (I could hardly fill up a 20gb...) and that it would be......$180?
 
[quote name='Apossum']that's the problem. everybody's picking and choosing what they want to call features--it's what's in the system, not what you want, it's what you get when you buy it.

what you get-- Blu-ray for movies (AND for games which is going to matter in the future), wireless, memory card readers (which people will use to back up their data, which the 360 doesn't offer), replaceable HDD, and use any webcam you want, as well a motion sensing controller.

With some of these, you pay out your nose for the MS equivalent. others, you can't do at all. You're right about the 60 more gb though, which I'm sure will be very useful. Also, there will be a video marketplace with the free Home service and the motion sensing controller is better than rumble. anyone who has played Flow (or has had to use it in resistance) will tell you that. Rumble is one of those things you don't notice missing after a few days.

an extra 60gb and an HDMI port doesn't quite match up.


anyway you slice it, the PS3, which has been knocked for its price for months now, is a bargain compared to the Elite. Some would argue it has always been the better value, but now that MS has closed the price gap, it's more obvious.[/QUOTE]
For the card reader argument, you can pick one of those up for the 360 for $10. By wireless, I assume you mean internet - which is cool and all, but can be done on the 360 for cheap as well. Most of America wouldn't know how to run a wireless network anyway, so that feature doesn't really apply.

It seems Sony spent all of their time putting "features" into their $600 box without concentrating on the games to help move the system. After Resistance, their launch lineup was WEAK with a capital W, and most of their top-tier games are coming to the 360 as well.
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']It's not $80 more for some... it's more like $480 more at this point. I would be ecstatic if it were just $80 to upgrade, I would even say $180 is a steal.[/QUOTE]Jesus christ. It's an upgraded console. How is this bad news?

Your old console isn't going to become obsolete! The old console does exactly the same stuff as it did when you decided it was worth $400!
 
[quote name='Apossum']


anyway you slice it, the PS3, which has been knocked for its price for months now, is a bargain compared to the Elite. Some would argue it has always been the better value, but now that MS has closed the price gap, it's more obvious.[/QUOTE]


This would be a great comparison if the ps3 had any good games.
 
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This thread's great. You've got a ton of PS3 fanboy's in here arguing endlessly because its their first chance to get back at everyone for trashing on the PS3's overinflated price. I think the really funny part is that aside from them, almost no one is posting in this thread cause "NOBODY GIVES A SHIT." You see, we've already got our 360's that manage to play some damn good games and none of us give a shit about HDMI or an over-priced bigger harddrive.

Why don't you guys go troll the Wii forums now and complain about how that system is crippled too and would cost so much more than the PS3 if you could upgrade it?

Oh, and by the way, the price gap between the elite and PS3 is still $120 so I'm not entirely sure how you guys can say its still a better value. And before you say it, If you're buying a 360 for high def movies the Premium unit hooks up to the HD-DVD add-on just fine.
 
The irony of Microsoft's "WE GIVE YOU MORE CHOICE" stance grows more hilarious as the months go on. Thanks for giving us the "choice" to upgrade to your overpriced hard drives and memory cards, or don't upgrade at all!

Choice is letting us use our OWN hard drives and memory cards. The PS3 has it all over the 360 in that regard.


[quote name='PyroGamer']How is this bad news?[/QUOTE]

You haven't been paying attention, apparently. I've seen you ask this question like 2 or 3 times just in the last couple pages, when the answers are everywhere. Don't get all pissy and say "OMG I CANT BELIEVE I'M RESPONDING TO YOU DUMBASSES" when you're the one with a fucking reading comprehension problem.
 
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