Surprisingly The Last Movie You Saw Didn't Suck Pt. 2

[quote name='Jodou']If anything Total Recall has more in common with Blade Runner than Oblivion.[/QUOTE]

Same Author so there is that.

Oblivion borrows/steals from so many Science Fiction properties that it doesn't properly solidify its own identity among the great Sci-Fi films. I didn't think the film was bad (the music was pretty amazing), but to compare it it Blade Runner is pretty kray kray.
 
04.12.13: Cirque Du Soleil: World's Away: 7.2
04.12.13: Life is Beautiful: 9.4
04.13.13: The Wages of Fear: 9.5
04.14.13: The Thin Red Line: 8.7
04.15.13: The Battle of Algiers: 9.1
04.16.13: Flags of Our Fathers: 7.0
04.17.13: Battleship Potemkin: 8.4
04.18.13: Letters From Iwo Jima: 8.5
04.19.13: Whisky Galore: 7.1
04.20.13: Glory: 9.3
04.21.13: Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn: 8.0
04.22.13: The Last King of Scotland: 8.7
04.23.13: Escape From New York: 8.5
04.23.13: The Last Stand: 7.2
04.25.13: One Piece: Z: 8.3
04.28.13: Platoon: 9.3
 
[quote name='HeroToTheMasses']04.12.13: Cirque Du Soleil: World's Away: 7.2
04.12.13: Life is Beautiful: 9.4
04.13.13: The Wages of Fear: 9.5
04.14.13: The Thin Red Line: 8.7
04.15.13: The Battle of Algiers: 9.1
04.16.13: Flags of Our Fathers: 7.0
04.17.13: Battleship Potemkin: 8.4
04.18.13: Letters From Iwo Jima: 8.5
04.19.13: Whisky Galore: 7.1
04.20.13: Glory: 9.3
04.21.13: Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn: 8.0
04.22.13: The Last King of Scotland: 8.7
04.23.13: Escape From New York: 8.5
04.23.13: The Last Stand: 7.2
04.25.13: One Piece: Z: 8.3
04.28.13: Platoon: 9.3[/QUOTE]

I'd love to know your personal rubric for this 100 point scale you use for movies.
 
[quote name='saunderscowie']Prometheus[/QUOTE]

You would love to know the real meanings Ridley Scott wanted to make about the Engineers, or at least one of them
 
[quote name='GhostShark']Same Author so there is that.

Oblivion borrows/steals from so many Science Fiction properties that it doesn't properly solidify its own identity among the great Sci-Fi films. I didn't think the film was bad (the music was pretty amazing), but to compare it it Blade Runner is pretty kray kray.[/QUOTE]

Blade Runner needs a remake.
 
[quote name='Tony Stark']You would love to know the real meanings Ridley Scott wanted to make about the Engineers, or at least one of them[/QUOTE]

There's a sequel called Paradise in the works that would hopefully shed more light on that as it would involve Shaw going to their home world. Not sure on what the current status on it actually getting made is.
 
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[quote name='Tony Stark']You would love to know the real meanings Ridley Scott wanted to make about the Engineers, or at least one of them[/QUOTE]

What do you mean? Do you mean that think with Jesus Christ?

I am looking through to "Prometheus 2" big fan of Ridley Scott.
 
Saw 42 last night. Even though you knew everything that was going to happen and every story beat ahead of time, it was still really entertaining.

Harrison Ford was incredible.
 
[quote name='saunderscowie']What do you mean? Do you mean that think with Jesus Christ?

I am looking through to "Prometheus 2" big fan of Ridley Scott.[/QUOTE]

If they do make a sequel I expect good things from it, felt very underwhelmed from the first one. It's the hype, that's why I haven't hyped myself in recent times for anything, including Iron Man 3 - looking forward to seeing it on the weekend.
 
Was able to win a pass last weekend to see Iron Man 3. Just saw it last night at the pre screening. It was just amazing!
 
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[quote name='Alucard0x']Was able to win a pass last weekend to see Iron Man 3. Just saw it last night at the pre screening. It was just amazing![/QUOTE]

Cool, good to know. It's been out a week here already, just thought I'd skip the first week rush. Hate a full cinema, especially when it's a film families can watch.

I got a certain twist spoiled to me, which apparently has some parts of the net in uproar, I'm not too fussed since I'm a casual fan of the characters from the cartoons in the 90's but how would you say it was handled in the context of the film?
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I'd love to know your personal rubric for this 100 point scale you use for movies.[/QUOTE]

I primarily gauge memorable scenes, entertainment value, dialogue, acting, and whether I'd be okay watching the film again inside a week. Films get a 9.0 or above if I didn't have any problems and they engaged me personally. Films under 7.0 have issues with entertainment and resulted in boredom at certain points. Films under 5.0 have serious filmmaking hang-ups like broken sound, editing, missing reels and are just all around terrible: Birdemic.

For example, "Cirque Du Soleil" (7.2) was an okay film. A Alice in Wonderland story with a few great circus tricks but otherwise largely forgetful high wire acts. Not satisfying but competently made and never offended me.

"The Last Stand" (7.2) was also competently made. A little entertaining but nevertheless hokey. I wish there was a more substance and creativity to characters and set pieces.

"Life is Beautiful" (9.4) carries a powerful message about a father protecting his son in a concentration camp. A number of touching scenes involved the dad bullshitting his ass off to keep the reality of the situation from reaching the son, even as the dad character
gets marched to his death.

"The Wages of Fear" (9.5) was amazing. It's among the best suspense filled movies I've seen. The story is about these losers in the middle of nowhere hired to drive trucks filled with nitroglycerin where the smallest jolt could see the trucks explode. Starts slow but the way the story builds from one danger to the next is profoundly tense.

The worst film I've seen this year is called "I am an S&M Writer".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266568/
A terrible film about a writer whose wife carries an S&M affair with his underling. Rather than showing any sign of pain, the writer calls upon the underling to describe all aspects of the affair so he can complete his masterpiece. Would have rated it lower but technically the film was fine.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I'd love to know your personal rubric for this 100 point scale you use for movies.[/QUOTE]

I primarily gauge memorable scenes, entertainment value, dialogue, acting, and whether I'd be okay watching the film again inside a week. Films get a 9.0 or above if I didn't have any problems and they engaged me personally. Films under 7.0 are considered to be broken in some manner and resulted in boredom. See: Birdemic.

For example, "Cirque Du Soleil" (7.2) was an okay film. A Alice in Wonderland story with a few great circus tricks but otherwise largely forgetful high wire acts. Not satisfying but competently made and never offended me.

"The Last Stand" (7.2) was also competently made. A little entertaining but nevertheless hokey. I wish there was a more substance and creativity to characters and set pieces.

On the other hand "Life is Beautiful" carries a powerful message about a father protecting his son in a concentration camp. A number of touching scenes involved the dad bullshitting his ass off to keep the reality of the situation from reaching the son, even as the dad character
gets marched to his death.

"The Wages of Fear" was amazing. It's among the best suspense filled movies I've seen. The story is about these losers in the middle of nowhere hired to drive trucks filled with nitroglycerin where the smallest jolt could see the trucks explode. Starts slow but the way the story builds from one danger to the next is profoundly tense and it sticks with me even now.

The worst film I saw this year so far was something called "I am an S&M Writer".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266568/
A terrible film about a writer whose wife carries an S&M affair with his underling. Rather than showing any sign of pain, the writer has the underling describe every aspect of this affair to him to help complete his masterpiece. Would be lurid if it wasn't so boring. It was really bad and I hated it. I would have rated it lower but the technical aspects of the film were fine.
 
[quote name='ClydeShebang']Just finished watching Michael Clayton, very good film. Feels like a good companion piece to the ides of march.[/QUOTE]

That is a movie I like more and more every time I watch it. There were other movies that were better that year (No Country and TWBB), but I think that as time passes that was the movie I liked the most.
 
Jack Reacher: 7.8

In this day it's difficult to separate Tom Cruise from the characters he plays unless the costume department really works to not make him look like Tom Cruise anymore (Tropic Thunder, Collateral, Magnolia), but if you can get past Cruise playing a badass soldier (it took me about thirty minutes to do so), it was enjoyable. The only thing I have against "Jack Reacher" is that the Reacher character made everyone else look like a child compared to him. There was no foil for him to play off of which took away from the drama of the thing.

The bad guys are built up as being horrible, horrible death dealers who can vanish you with a snap of the finger, but we certainly never see that except for in the opening and that's it for the extent of their heinousness. Sure they kill off another pair of characters, but certainly no one we've developed any empathy for, and it cheapens the whole sense of danger we may otherwise feel.

There were about 3 major action scenes in the whole film. The first introduces you to Reacher's fighting abilities, the second showcases his driving skills, and the final is the big blow-off. None of these reach Michael Bay levels of insane awesomeness (barring Transformers) but overall Director Christopher McQuarrie makes for a very watchable film that goes down easy but could have used a little more flavor.
 
Iron Man 3 - 4.5/5 - Wow, that was completely different than anything I was expecting. That was so damn good. Easily the best Iron Man movie. Absolutely amazing performances by Robert Downey Jr. and Guy Pearce (he really steals the show here). Everyone owes it to themselves to go see it.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']Iron Man 3 - 4.5/5 - Wow, that was completely different than anything I was expecting. That was so damn good. Easily the best Iron Man movie. Absolutely amazing performances by Robert Downey Jr. and Guy Pearce (he really steals the show here). Everyone owes it to themselves to go see it.[/QUOTE]

Good to know, watching it tomorrow, had a bit of a bad feeling though.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I thought it was terrible. Its good if you want to see a comedy with a few minutes of what looks like Iron Man thrown in.[/QUOTE]

I loved the first Iron Man and hated the second (drunk Iron Man, wtf?). Which is the 3rd one most like?
 
More like the first one in the way there isn't a lot of him in the suit...except he's in it a lot less in 3.

More like the second one in the way the story is completely stupid. They replaced him being drunk with having some anxiety attacks about gods and aliens being real that makes no sense to me since he was completely fine with it in The Avengers.
 
[quote name='whoknows']More like the first one in the way there isn't a lot of him in the suit...except he's in it a lot less in 3.

More like the second one in the way the story is completely stupid. They replaced him being drunk with having some anxiety attacks about gods and aliens being real that makes no sense to me since he was completely fine with it in The Avengers.[/QUOTE]

lol who said he was fine with it? He went through it and it's now affecting him.

I haven't seen the movie yet but understanding superhero movies and comics. You are thrust into some things you just handle at that time and then you can reflect on it. i.e. like real life.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']lol who said he was fine with it? He went through it and it's now affecting him.

I haven't seen the movie yet but understanding superhero movies and comics. You are thrust into some things you just handle at that time and then you can reflect on it. i.e. like real life.[/QUOTE]

The whole movie shows he was fine with it. He acts like nothing is a big deal in The Avengers. His anxiety issues in IM3 felt so forced.
 
[quote name='whoknows']The whole movie shows he was fine with it. He acts like nothing is a big deal in The Avengers. His anxiety issues in IM3 felt so forced.[/QUOTE]

People go to war each and every day and it doesn't affect them at the time, but when you attempt to live a normal life after such a life-altering event, it effects you in ways you wouldn't imagine. Ever heard of PTSD? That's likely what Tony was suffering from, despite brushing it off when asked.

It seems like you're trying to find reasons to hate this movie.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I loved the first Iron Man and hated the second (drunk Iron Man, wtf?). Which is the 3rd one most like?[/QUOTE]

I'd argue that it is vastly different than either IM or IM2. Consequently enough, the fact that Shane Black is the director is proof of that, seeing how he has a completely different style of directing than Favreau. He deviated so far from the formulas of IM and IM2, that he created something new and fresh for Tony Stark in Iron Man 3. This is more of character evaluation and exploration of Stark, as both a human and Iron Man, and RDJ knocks it out of the park. Don't go into it being a rompin' stompin' pure action flick (though there is that). The comedy doesn't bog the film down, and unlike IM2, the comedy comes at places that are right for it. Plus, it's Tony fucking Stark, the man has always been purely sarcastic, sardonic and arrogant.
 
[quote name='Tsel']People go to war each and every day and it doesn't affect them at the time, but when you attempt to live a normal life after such a life-altering event, it effects you in ways you wouldn't imagine. Ever heard of PTSD? That's likely what Tony was suffering from, despite brushing it off when asked.

It seems like you're trying to find reasons to hate this movie.[/QUOTE]

I legitimately was excited to see it. Not my fault it turned out to be terrible.

It was forced, pointless, came up at random times and added absolutely nothing to the movie.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I legitimately was excited to see it. Not my fault it turned out to be terrible.

It was forced, pointless, came up at random times and added absolutely nothing to the movie.[/QUOTE]
In your seemingly unpopular opinion. I didn't see a problem with that aspect of the movie whatsoever and while it didn't necessarily add a whole lot to the movie, I don't think it took away anything either.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I legitimately was excited to see it. Not my fault it turned out to be terrible.

It was forced, pointless, came up at random times and added absolutely nothing to the movie.[/QUOTE]

You're in the vast minority but still entitled your opinion.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I loved the first Iron Man and hated the second (drunk Iron Man, wtf?). Which is the 3rd one most like?[/QUOTE]

Loved the second cause it was going into Tonys dark place. His personal demons is drinking and was huge in the comics. Looks like Disney wants no part of it though as I read in an article.
 
[quote name='Tsel']People go to war each and every day and it doesn't affect them at the time, but when you attempt to live a normal life after such a life-altering event, it effects you in ways you wouldn't imagine. Ever heard of PTSD? That's likely what Tony was suffering from, despite brushing it off when asked.

It seems like you're trying to find reasons to hate this movie.[/QUOTE]
Too bad The Avengers didn't portray the invasion as something capable of causing PTSD.
 
[quote name='moon_knight']Too bad The Avengers didn't portray the invasion as something capable of causing PTSD.[/QUOTE]

Again, we only saw them reacting during the course of the invasion. It's called POST traumatic stress disorder for a reason. The effects of the disorder happen well after the events that occurred leading up to it. You don't think fighting off hundreds of monsters, flying through a giant wormhole in the sky with the intention to sacrifice your life to save humanity and ultimately nearly dying is something worst stressing over once it's all said and done? It doesn't matter how the movie portrayed it, it can still happen.
 
I saw it, I loved it. I think I may have even liked it.more than The Avengers but I was never one of those people that Avengers was a perfect movie (or even the best movie to come out last year...).
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']This is never a good point to fall back on.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't holding on to that point. I was simply reiterating the fact that what he was arguing was in his opinion, which happened to be largely unpopular.
 
[quote name='Tsel']It seems like you're trying to find reasons to hate this movie.[/QUOTE]
Oh trust me, it offers plenty to hate it for but you can't hate on Downey Jr. for a terrible script.
 
[quote name='Tsel']Again, we only saw them reacting during the course of the invasion. It's called POST traumatic stress disorder for a reason. The effects of the disorder happen well after the events that occurred leading up to it. You don't think fighting off hundreds of monsters, flying through a giant wormhole in the sky with the intention to sacrifice your life to save humanity and ultimately nearly dying is something worst stressing over once it's all said and done? It doesn't matter how the movie portrayed it, it can still happen.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, no. He didn't seem that shocked by it after he fell back down. He was just like "let's go eat."

If any of the characters would have some sort of psychological issues it would obviously be Capt America. Everyone he knew is dead and everything in the world is completely different.

But instead, Tony Stark has his issues forced in at times for no reason, like
when he was driving and the kid says the suit isn't charging. He brakes and has a breakdown, even after Jarvis says it actually is. That was random, forced and added nothing except for an excuse for him to go to Home Depot.
 
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I thought IM3 was good, but I'm still waiting for an IM movie to blow me away like X-Men 2 and Spiderman 2 did, they along with The Avengers are the pinnacle of comic book movies. The action sequences in this one just aren't that good, they're rather boring actually. The end scene was ok, but I compare it to the lame end fight of the first one more than the second (which was awesome).

I absolutely fucking HATED what they did with The Mandarin.
He was Iron Man's most feared and biggest villain of all time. And he's a literal goddamn joke in this movie. And now they can never do him. Thanks for fucking that up, Marvel.
 
[quote name='Tsel']Again, we only saw them reacting during the course of the invasion. It's called POST traumatic stress disorder for a reason. The effects of the disorder happen well after the events that occurred leading up to it. You don't think fighting off hundreds of monsters, flying through a giant wormhole in the sky with the intention to sacrifice your life to save humanity and ultimately nearly dying is something worst stressing over once it's all said and done? It doesn't matter how the movie portrayed it, it can still happen.[/QUOTE]
I think it does matter how it was portrayed. The avengers took the scenario extremely lighthearted and then for ironman 3 to take it seriously, it doesn't mesh well.
 
[quote name='moon_knight']I think it does matter how it was portrayed. The avengers took the scenario extremely lighthearted and then for ironman 3 to take it seriously, it doesn't mesh well.[/QUOTE]

Agree to disagree, I guess. How you react when something is happening doesn't always coincide with how you react when you've had time to reflect upon it. Sometimes people make brash decisions in the heat of the moment.
 
I thought it was decent.

I buy the whole anxiety thing, although the movie could have lived without it. Seriously, if they didn't include that stuff at it it would still be the same film. Seems like it was more of an attempt to be "look, he's affected by the stuff that happened in The Avengers, it's all connected!"

Kind of Deadpooled the Mandarin, but I really didn't care.
 
[quote name='Indignate']I buy the whole anxiety thing, although the movie could have lived without it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Hollywood understands this yet but people going to see superhero movies want to see *gasp* superheroes. We don't want to be reminded about real life ailments or things that pull us back down to earth. We're there to escape reality, same as videogames and the anxiety thing was an unnecessary, stupid concept.

And if it really needed to be there, then it could have been way more subtle. Pretty sure when people have anxiety attacks, they don't start commentating what's happening to them. FFS who wrote that shitty script; I want to shoot them lol.
 
[quote name='Tsel']Agree to disagree, I guess. How you react when something is happening doesn't always coincide with how you react when you've had time to reflect upon it. Sometimes people make brash decisions in the heat of the moment.[/QUOTE]
On paper I don't mind the idea, I just have a problem with consistency between movies.

[quote name='Jodou']I don't think Hollywood understands this yet but people going to see superhero movies want to see *gasp* superheroes. We don't want to be reminded about real life ailments or things that pull us back down to earth. We're there to escape reality, same as videogames and the anxiety thing was an unnecessary, stupid concept.

And if it really needed to be there, then it could have been way more subtle. Pretty sure when people have anxiety attacks, they don't start commentating what's happening to them. FFS who wrote that shitty script; I want to shoot them lol.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure people complain when superheroes aren't down to earth enough or relatable.
 
[quote name='Jodou']I don't think Hollywood understands this yet but people going to see superhero movies want to see *gasp* superheroes. We don't want to be reminded about real life ailments or things that pull us back down to earth. We're there to escape reality, same as videogames and the anxiety thing was an unnecessary, stupid concept.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go that far.

Comics have their deep themes and moral issues and what else just as well as any other medium and aren't all just "OMG SUPERHEROS!"

The anxiety was unnecessary because it wasn't well realized/written. Like I said, it would be the same film if all three of those scenes were cut out and they should have been cut for that reason, not because the audience (supposedly?) doesn't want to deal it.
 
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