Tales of Vesperia - Gen. Discussion & Info

[quote name='suko_32']Just a warning for people doing the Giganto Monster sidequest, today I was about to go fight the one in Mt. Tezma and I saw it. I decided to go back to the world map to save first and when I went back it was gone. Now I have the pleasure of waiting for it to respawn. Don't let it happen to you![/quote]

Actually the synthesis guy tells you that they can do that lol. Thats why its important to save often in case you run into one of them. Ive yet to see one though -_-V
 
[quote name='Ice2Dragon']Actually the synthesis guy tells you that they can do that lol. Thats why its important to save often in case you run into one of them. Ive yet to see one though -_-V[/QUOTE]

Oh I guess I must of forgotten about that. The worst part is I'm sure I could have taken it on, but it looked physically intimidating.
 
Well there is a subquest involved with the Giganto monsters, which gives you a title and achievement. I got out of a battle with the first one you see. Once I can get past the next boss, hopefully I can get to the guy I need to get to in order to start the quest.
 
I have a question for those who beat this game. Is there a lot of missable items/skits/side missions in this game? I was thinking about buying the guide because I'm too lazy visit various rpg message boards to get my info. I'm a little burnt out play Disgaea 3 and I want that god awful Mercenaries 2 out of my mind.
 
[quote name='fatbeer']I have a question for those who beat this game. Is there a lot of missable items/skits/side missions in this game? I was thinking about buying the guide because I'm too lazy visit various rpg message boards to get my info. I'm a little burnt out play Disgaea 3 and I want that god awful Mercenaries 2 out of my mind.[/quote]


Yeah, there are a lot of missables compared to most other RPGs these days. I don't know what the guide shows, but this has a lot of info if you need. Granted some names and such are from the Japanese version and may differ in the NA version. Plus there's also spoilers if you read too far ahead.

Also it will require two or three playthroughs if you actually plan on getting 100% in the game.

EDIT: Damned typos.
 
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I'm kinda stuck, this is a spoiler for after you beat Schwann:
I just beat Schwann/Raven and I need to find Estelle. I was so tired that I wasn't paying any attention to the story and I have no clue where to go now.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']I'm kinda stuck, this is a spoiler for after you beat Schwann:
I just beat Schwann/Raven and I need to find Estelle. I was so tired that I wasn't paying any attention to the story and I have no clue where to go now.
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Go into your menu (Y I think?) and then head to the right for your records/books. In there is a events book or whatever that was given to you very early on in the game by the Wonder Reporter. You can use that to get an idea of what you need to do next.

At least it always helped me.

If it doesn't (which you should check), I believe the proper course after your point was
to fly Ba'ul towards the Empire's Capital city and in the water you should find that war ship, whatever the name was.
 
I never knew the records existed, thanks. Like you I haven't memorized all the towns names so when they say "Go to Nordipolica to get an apathia from an Entelaxica" I'm scratching my head. Why do they have to make all the names so weird and confusing.
 
Anyone have the list of all the secret achievements? I almost always get guides with RPG's, but I heard the guide for this game was really bad so I didn't get it. Is it ok or should I try to find one online? I'm about 5 hours in and I just got the mage chick back after investigating the ruins.
 
Secret Mission #14, the fight with Schwann, was a huge pain in the ass. It took me 4 or 5 tries, but the cutscene right before the fight was long. I was about to skip it.
 
What level should I be at to defeat the monster at Deadre (sp?) Hill or whatever it's called 5 hours into the game? All my characters are LVL 14-15 and I can't get past that boss monster.
 
That's a good enough level (I think I was 13). It's probably one of the tougher boss fights, especially if you're going for the secret mission achievement.


Try changing up your tactics on your NPCs. Also may want to set heals to your D-Pad hotkeys (can assign them in your abilities window, just keep scrolling down). Also don't be afraid to use items a plenty if you really need to.
 
I must say that I started playing Tales of Vesperia today and I was really pleasantly surprised. I was expecting good and I was impressed when I started playing. The characters are instantly likeable and the voice acting is very good... two things that can make it sort of a chore to get into some JRPGs. I'm really liking this and the demo on XBox Live really does not do it justice.
 
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[quote name='mhnajjar']Well, I got both, so why don't you do the same?

I don't have time to play them all, but hopefully it would happen one day.[/quote]

Haha no I don't have time to do that either with NHL 09 and COD4 taking up the other percentages of my time these days. I will be getting Infinite Undiscovery next month, I think, but I'm not so sure anymore with some of the reviews. I mean, this might sound kind of snobby, but I would rather play an RPG that blows me out of the water than one that is just subpar. Oblivion, Mass Effect, and Eternal Sonata all had that effect on me, which is why I bought them.

What is your opinion of Infinite Undiscovery by the way? Do the reviews do it justice or not?

[quote name='SynGamer']Get Lost Odyssey and tales of Vesperia.[/quote]

I'm going to pick up Lost Odyssey when it comes down in Price at Target in the clearance section. There were a ton of copies last week so I'm hoping they drop to $20 this week and I can get one. Thanks!

[quote name='GuardianE']I must say that I started playing Tales of Vesperia today and I was really pleasantly surprised. I was expecting good and I was impressed when I started playing. The characters are instantly likeable and the voice acting is very good... two things that can make it sort of a chore to get into some JRPGs. I'm really liking this and the demo on XBox Live really does no it no justice.[/quote]

Well the demo is why I asked my initial question. I thought it was good but it reminded me of Eternal Sonata, but better. I didn't understand the story (which is what I love about games the most) and the characters were still unfamiliar to me afterwards. I'm glad that you said the demo doesn't do it justice so now I'm beginning to think I made the right decision. Is the 'Tales' series known for good story and characters? I'm really excited to see what it's like when it shows up on my door this week!
 
Tales games tend to have weak stories, usually managing to hit every JRPG cliche, but interesting characters (although characters tend to follow standard JRPG archetypes).
The battle system is probably the biggest draw of the series
 
Vesperia starts with the better story, then falls into the JRPG cliche.

So at least you'll enjoy the story in the beginning.
 
Tales of Vesperia seems to be generally seen as better than Infinite Undiscovery by a long shot. Many seem to say it's the best jRPG this generation. Only one that comes close is Lost Odyssey.

The Tales series is known for good characters but only passable stories. Yuri is an awesome protagonist. The reason people are drawn to them, as previously mentioned, is the amazing battle system.

The demo is crap. Do not base your purchase on the demo. They picked a crappy story point, crappy area, and did NOT adjust the battle system appropriately for a demo. When you play the game, it eases you into the system so you know what you're doing. Doing combos is so much fun =)
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']Anyone have the list of all the secret achievements? I almost always get guides with RPG's, but I heard the guide for this game was really bad so I didn't get it. Is it ok or should I try to find one online? I'm about 5 hours in and I just got the mage chick back after investigating the ruins.[/quote]

the secret ach's are basically 23 secret missions that are involved for beating the bosses..

its a joke how easy the bosses are.. but the secret missions for a few of them (the guy with the gun... good lord) are a huge pain..
 
yea they can get pretty hard. For a few fights I ended up setting it to easy so I can focus on getting the mission.
 
[quote name='62t']yea they can get pretty hard. For a few fights I ended up setting it to easy so I can focus on getting the mission.[/quote]

You can change the difficulty? Damnit. I spent at least 4 hours on the gun guy -_-V I dont wanna say the name cuz its a spoiler and all..

That and the boat battle.. sending him overboard.. pain in the ass...
 
[quote name='Escargoexpress']Tales games tend to have weak stories, usually managing to hit every JRPG cliche, but interesting characters (although characters tend to follow standard JRPG archetypes).
The battle system is probably the biggest draw of the series[/QUOTE]

Hmmm well I guess because I don't play JRPGs, I won't really know what is cliche and what's not right? :)

I'm glad you said the characters are interesting because that's also a huge draw for me when it comes to any RPGs. Sometimes I can't relate to the characters so it makes it harder for me to get into a game and it's characters when I don't understand who they are or what they stand for.

I really enjoyed the battle system in the demo. The only thing I had a gripe with is that it seemed a little too linear for me in terms of I was only able to attack right and left but not attack up and down. Did I do something wrong?

[quote name='artego']Vesperia starts with the better story, then falls into the JRPG cliche.

So at least you'll enjoy the story in the beginning.[/QUOTE]

I'm really happy to see that people are enjoying the story. How long is the game by the way?

[quote name='Firestorm']Tales of Vesperia seems to be generally seen as better than Infinite Undiscovery by a long shot. Many seem to say it's the best jRPG this generation. Only one that comes close is Lost Odyssey.

The Tales series is known for good characters but only passable stories. Yuri is an awesome protagonist. The reason people are drawn to them, as previously mentioned, is the amazing battle system.

The demo is crap. Do not base your purchase on the demo. They picked a crappy story point, crappy area, and did NOT adjust the battle system appropriately for a demo. When you play the game, it eases you into the system so you know what you're doing. Doing combos is so much fun =)[/QUOTE]

Wow, I can't tell you how great it is to see that the demo wasn't a true representation of the game. When I played the demo, I enjoyed it but not as much as I would have liked. I haven't really bought an RPG in a long time so I wanted to take a shot at one when I had the opportunity. It's starting to sound like I chose one of the best RPGs that the 360 has to offer.

How do you pull off combos because I kept dying throughout the demo, which was frustrating!

[quote name='Monroeski']God, I hate when Amazon moves your order to "Item to be shipped soon" status, meaning you can no longer cancel it, a week or more before it is actually supposed to ship. Last Wednesday or Thursday or so mine went to that status even though it's scheduled to ship on the 19th. I've been wanting to cancel it, but no dice. Even tried calling directly. :bomb:[/QUOTE]

Well I have that Amazon Prime thing so mine is supposed to be delivered in 2 days. So far I have only gotten an e-mail stating that my order was placed and I'm still waiting on a shipping confirmation e-mail. Is this because the LE really is limited or is there something else going on behind the scenes that I'm not aware of?

Thanks again for all the info everyone! Honestly it has helped me understand the game much more and I am much more comfortable with my purchase :) No canceling here on my end!

By the way, is there any DLC coming to this game in the future? It seems like a game this good would/should have tons of DLC to keep the story going. Thanks!
 
you can attack up and down by pressing up and down on the joystick and the attack button. You can also jump.
 
Not to mention holding down left trigger allows you to move freely and not just in a straight line. Also, with combos, the most "bread and butter" way is to use Yuri's three regular hits, then a base arte, then an arcane arte. Base artes chain into arcane ones, so there is no delay between them, allowing you to rack up a lot of hits.

I have to say, I'm fairly far into the game now, and while it has its slow moments, as a huge Tales fan, I am not disappointed at all. I think Abyss was slightly better, at least on the plot and character front, but this is still one of the best in the series so far for me.
 
Yeah, Pck21. From the little I've played I recognize that the characters is a huge element of the game. Their interactions are what fuels the game and if that's your cup of tea (I know it's mine), then you'll like it.

The demo really is not a good representation of the game at all. I actually didn't really like the demo very much at all. I thought it was pretty, but boring. The game definitely kept me engaged.
 
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[quote name='62t']you can attack up and down by pressing up and down on the joystick and the attack button. You can also jump.[/QUOTE]

Ah ok that's what I was doing wrong lol. I kept trying to move up but my character would just stand there and look at the enemy :) I also wish I knew there was a jump button...geez this is so embarrassing lol. Hence why I'm not good at RPGs in the first place lol. I'll try out the demo again tonight and start figuring out all of the buttons and combos :oops:

[quote name='Fonic']Not to mention holding down left trigger allows you to move freely and not just in a straight line. Also, with combos, the most "bread and butter" way is to use Yuri's three regular hits, then a base arte, then an arcane arte. Base artes chain into arcane ones, so there is no delay between them, allowing you to rack up a lot of hits.

I have to say, I'm fairly far into the game now, and while it has its slow moments, as a huge Tales fan, I am not disappointed at all. I think Abyss was slightly better, at least on the plot and character front, but this is still one of the best in the series so far for me.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your analysis! I remember the Tales games from way back in the PS1 and PS2 days. I had tons of friends who played them but I always played sports games or shooter games instead. I did pick up Final Fantasy VII and VIII which I enjoyed a ton, but I really haven't picked up many other "epic" RPGs, especially for the new consoles. I just want to expand my gaming library because I feel as though I am missing some sort of gaming experience.

I will attempt the combos again later tonight and see what I can do. I got to the boss part in the demo and I just couldn't kill him no matter how hard I tried. I must have died like 10 times before I got frustrated and turned it off. I figured there was a combo sequence I could pull to put him down faster. Ugh! :)

[quote name='GuardianE']Yeah, Pck21. From the little I've played I recognize that the characters is a huge element of the game. Their interactions is what fuels the game and if that's your cup of tea (I know it's mine), then you'll like it.

The demo really is not a good representation of the game at all. I actually didn't really like the demo very much at all. I thought it was pretty, but boring. The game definitely kept me engaged.[/QUOTE]

Yea for me the story and characters of any game, not just RPGs, are what drives me to buy it and play it for a long period of time. I was hooked on Eternal Sonata for a while until I became busy with school and work and such. I need to pick that up again but now that Vesperia is on its way (fingers crossed), I'll probably play that until Fable II comes out. I've never really beaten an RPG before and Tales of Vesperia is one game that I would truly like to play all the way through. I'm really relieved to see that people enjoy this game over others in the same genre like IU.

I didn't want to say it, but the demo was also boring for me at first. I thought it was because I wasn't into the game or just wasn't for me. I've played it quite a few times since then and every time I play it, I find something that I like about it. That's always a good thing in my book. I'm disappointed in the reception that IU is getting though because I was looking forward to that game more than ToV. My views have changed considerably in the past week and that's why I bought ToV over IU.

I can't tell you how excited I am to get this game now because of everyone's help and information. At first I was skeptical but now I am actually excited with anticipation for this game to come to my door! How is the soundtrack to the game by the way, in terms of the CD that comes with the LE? Has anyone received theirs yet and listed to it? I'm alsways fascinated by the music that is incorporated into RPGs.
 
I don't think the demo has much in the ways of combos. Just 3 hit -> base -> arcane. Once you get the skills for it in the full game, you can do more. For example, I sometimes do six hits -> base -> altered -> arcane -> base. You'll also learn about Fatal Strikes and how to use them which keeps things interesting =)

Vesperia is everything Eternal Sonata wanted to be but wasn't.

The CD that comes with the LE is crap. The tracks they picked are horrible. I don't see most of the best tracks in the series. Maybe they're in Volume 2 that's on Tales Brigade (check my sig). I was hoping for Fighting of the Spirit (Phantasia), Fatalize (Symphonia), and Meaning of Birth (Abyss). At least the intro songs... meh.
 
[quote name='Firestorm']I don't think the demo has much in the ways of combos. Just 3 hit -> base -> arcane. Once you get the skills for it in the full game, you can do more. For example, I sometimes do six hits -> base -> altered -> arcane -> base. You'll also learn about Fatal Strikes and how to use them which keeps things interesting =)

Vesperia is everything Eternal Sonata wanted to be but wasn't.

The CD that comes with the LE is crap. The tracks they picked are horrible. I don't see most of the best tracks in the series. Maybe they're in Volume 2 that's on Tales Brigade (check my sig). I was hoping for Fighting of the Spirit (Phantasia), Fatalize (Symphonia), and Meaning of Birth (Abyss). At least the intro songs... meh.[/QUOTE]

Well darn it on the combos in the demo lol! I guess I'll just have to wait and see when my game arrives (which I still haven't received shipping confirmation yet so I'm a little worried :/).

I really enjoyed ES but if you say that ToV is what ES wanted to be like then I know I'll end up loving ToV for a long, long time! The news about the CD is disappointing. It was one of the reasons I bought the LE actually, but no big deal I guess. The more protective outer case is worth the extra $10 IMO.

By the way, I checked out the Tales Brigade site and was impressed! I didn't know they had a Tales game out for the Wii or PSP either! If I end up playing ToV way too much and need a break, maybe I'll grab the Tales Wii or PSP versions :D

[quote name='62t']up is jump in manual mode and up + X in semi auto mode[/QUOTE]

Perfect, thank you! :)
 
[quote name='Pck21']Well darn it on the combos in the demo lol! I guess I'll just have to wait and see when my game arrives (which I still haven't received shipping confirmation yet so I'm a little worried :/).

I really enjoyed ES but if you say that ToV is what ES wanted to be like then I know I'll end up loving ToV for a long, long time! The news about the CD is disappointing. It was one of the reasons I bought the LE actually, but no big deal I guess. The more protective outer case is worth the extra $10 IMO.

By the way, I checked out the Tales Brigade site and was impressed! I didn't know they had a Tales game out for the Wii or PSP either! If I end up playing ToV way too much and need a break, maybe I'll grab the Tales Wii or PSP versions :D



Perfect, thank you! :)[/QUOTE]

Just note that the tales game on wii is a sequel to the gamecube version and it is highly recommanded that you finish the gamecube game first.

The PSP version is a game with characters from past Tales game, also not a good idea unless you play a few other games.
 
[quote name='62t']Just note that the tales game on wii is a sequel to the gamecube version and it is highly recommanded that you finish the gamecube game first.

The PSP version is a game with characters from past Tales game, also not a good idea unless you play a few other games.[/QUOTE]

I think the story will be disjointed no matter what. Some of the games are not released over here, and we missed out on the remakes. The Japanese hate us. I'm still scratching my head over Konami not bringing over Suikoden I and II for the PSP. It sold like shit in Japan, but I'm sure the Americans would eat up it up like popcorn.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']I think the story will be disjointed no matter what. Some of the games are not released over here, and we missed out on the remakes. The Japanese hate us. I'm still scratching my head over Konami not bringing over Suikoden I and II for the PSP. It sold like shit in Japan, but I'm sure the Americans would eat up it up like popcorn.[/QUOTE]


Don't blame Konami, Sony wouldn't let them release the Suikoden port in the US because it didn't have enough new content. And Namco has been really stupid for a long time as far as not releasing all the Tales games here. Especially with the DS games.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']I think the story will be disjointed no matter what. Some of the games are not released over here, and we missed out on the remakes. The Japanese hate us. I'm still scratching my head over Konami not bringing over Suikoden I and II for the PSP. It sold like shit in Japan, but I'm sure the Americans would eat up it up like popcorn.[/QUOTE]

Actually it only has 1 useable 2 non playable character that is from a game that didnt get a US release.
 
[quote name='62t']Actually it only has 1 useable 2 non playable character that is from a game that didnt get a US release.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about the Tales universe; not just this game.
 
[quote name='Ice2Dragon']You can change the difficulty? Damnit. I spent at least 4 hours on the gun guy -_-V I dont wanna say the name cuz its a spoiler and all..

That and the boat battle.. sending him overboard.. pain in the ass...[/quote]

Go to the far right option on the menu, then choose settings. You can choose Easy, Normal or Hard.
 
kind of dont have alot of time right now, can someone just sum up the comparative discussion between the SE and regular editions? what did people think?
 
[quote name='spincut']kind of dont have alot of time right now, can someone just sum up the comparative discussion between the SE and regular editions? what did people think?[/QUOTE]

For $10 more the SE gets you a tin case and a music cd
 
[quote name='62t']For $10 more the SE gets you a tin case and a music cd[/QUOTE]

i know what you get, i thought there was a discussion on whether people thought it was worth it or not.
 
[quote name='spincut']i know what you get, i thought there was a discussion on whether people thought it was worth it or not.[/quote]

I think it's worth it as the tin/art in back of instruction booklet is nice, and the soundtrack is great. I've listened to it quite a bit since purchase. Amazon has the game in-stock so it's not that hard to find.

Also I recently just finished the first third of the game (after getting the aqua blastia back) and I will have to say, that scene on the bridge really shocked me. It went against the whole tone of the rest of the game so far.

ToV is easily right up there with Lost Odyssey as best JRPG's released in the last 2-plus years (way better than FF XII IMO.)
 
I'm absolutely in love with this game and I've been very jaded lately when it comes to RPGs. The Special Edition is worth it just to have a physical manifestation of my creepy game love.

But seriously, I'm only half joking. I do love this game and I love the special edition. The steelbook would've been enough to sell me.
 
I agree, ToV is one of the best JRPGs to hit shelves in years. However I still don't understand why people are going crazy over the SE. They only reason I'd want it is so I could sell it to some crazy collector when they become impposible to find. But I've always thought SE or LE were a waste of money.
 
No not really but I bet it's pretty close to the actual numbers. I would really like for it to make the NPD Top 10 but I don't see that happening as 1/2 of it's sales are from August with it being released last week of August.
 
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