Tax junk food to pay for health care

[quote name='Paco']Think that's disgusting? I saw a fat woman put her hamburger in a chocolate shake at Mcdonalds. I guess the grease just isn't fattening enough anymore.[/QUOTE]

Did she like dunk it? Or just drop it in and go from there?

I mean, I'm guessing it has to be delicious for her to continue to do that, so I'm forced to wonder how she first thought of it.

Oh... And what were you doing in a McDonalds?! J'accuse! ;)
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Why not be smart and fit? Its not that hard bro.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you are neither, definitely not smart, and I'm pretty sure that you're not that fit either.
 
[quote name='bvharris']A lot of times that IS the excuse, and it's not actually a terrible one. I am not nearly in as good shape now as I was in college (though I'm far from extremely overweight, being tall is a blessing), nor do I eat as well - though I try. The fact is that I work so much that it really is hard to find time. I think as long as people make some effort to stay active (for example I manage and play for my company softball team) than I don't hold anything against them.

Sometimes there's just not enough time in the day. Could I be in fantastic shape if I took my gaming time and devoted it to exercise? Sure. But I really think there comes a point where you have to just decide to do what you enjoy, even if it's not always the best choice health-wise.

Edit: Being in a longterm relationship doesn't help either, especially for guys. Which leads to an unfair double standard, but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]


I still see it as an excuse. I'm a college prof and put in more hours than some of the people I know that are overweight and complain about not having time.

Eating healthy doesn't take more time. Even if you eat out there are healthy options.

Working out does take time, but most people can keep from getting obese just by eating well. I don't get to the gym nearly as much as I did during grad school and college as I'm busier, but I haven't put on any weight yet. *knocks on wood* Though I have to admit I'm lucky and was blessed with a high metabolism. My dad is in his 60s, had always ate a lot of fried foods etc and is still skinny.

But I just watch what I eat. My one vice on that front is loving good beer. But I just limit that to 1-3 beers 2 or 3 nights a week to keep the calories in check.
 
I'm not arguing for people being given a free pass on being morbidly obese, but I don't begrudge people carrying around a few extra pounds if they are busy. As long as you're doing something so you're not completely sedentary, that counts for something. Even if it's just taking the stairs instead of the elevator or taking a walk in the evenings.

My dad is in his 60s as well and has always been quite overweight (though not take a scooter around the airport overweight or anything), so I wasn't blessed with a great metabolism, something I definitely need to be conscious of. I think as long as people are aware of their health and do their best to eat well when they can (understanding that occasionally there's going to be the late night of work which begs for chinese food) and get some exercise, they shouldn't really be judged too harshly.
 
Sure. I'm talking about obese people. Not people packing a few extra pounds but probably not taking years off their life etc. :D

It's the eating that bugs me though as that doesn't have to take time. I end up picking up dinner to eat in the office pretty regularly when working late. I often get a salad with no cheese and fast food dressing, or or a grilled chicken sandwich etc.

People just need to be more conscious of what they eat, busy or not. I love a burger and fries, pizza, etc. as much as the next guy. But I leave those as the couple of times a month treats rather than something I'm eating multiple times a week etc.
 
Yeah, well I usually bring lunch to work which is most of the time* pretty healthy. Eating well in that case is just a nice side effect of being a Cheap Ass Luncher. :D


*Today I went with colleagues to Five Guys, I'm not gonna attempt to defend that one.
 
Yeah, I bring lunch as well. Sandwich (some lowfat meat, lettuce, cheese, brown mustard) apple (or pear or orange), banana and diet soda.

But a lot of times I end up working 10-12+ hours and need to grab dinner--I try to stay healthy there with a salad, etc. most of the time.

I keep my "cheat" meals for eating out with the girlfriend once or twice a week, or hitting a sports bar for beer and wings on the weekend during football season etc.
 
1 cup frozen blueberries
1 cup fresh spinach
1 cup vanilla soy milk.

Blend. Its a very good and healthy breakfast.
 
[quote name='Strell']Co-signing. There's so little food I've had where bacon honestly enhances it. Here's a silly comic that more or less gets at the idea.

I think outside of filet mignons and certain appetizers (that I try to avoid to begin with), I can't think of much.

Also agree with myke re: salad. People think the word itself helps, and is going to combat all the bad stuff people slather into them. Lettuce has no nutritional value. I started making mine with spinach leaves and slowly adding different vegetables. Works for me.[/QUOTE]

The only good thing that bacon enhances is a nice potato soup. Add a little green onion and its perfect.
 
[quote name='xxDOYLExx']1 cup frozen blueberries
1 cup fresh spinach
1 cup vanilla soy milk.

Blend. Its a very good and healthy breakfast.[/QUOTE]

Soy Milk? Holy Estrogen concentrate! Enjoy those tities.

I think, and I believe many experts agree, that listening to your body is more important than most people realize. Having lists of good and bad food that you adhere to like a religion isn't as healthy a lifestyle as many people think. Your body knows what kind of food it needs at any given time -but often gets ignored because "we know better".
 
I agree on the soy milk being estrogen-filled crap (fermented soy is so-so).
I've been amused reading the comments throughout this thread. I have to ask, why do so many of you guys believe that eating high-fat natural sources of food like meats, cheeses, eggs, certain oils etc. are fattening? Also, do you guys also believe the whole 3500 Calories = 1lb body fat thing?
 
[quote name='Hiei69']I agree on the soy milk being estrogen-filled crap (fermented soy is so-so).
I've been amused reading the comments throughout this thread. I have to ask, why do so many of you guys believe that eating high-fat natural sources of food like meats, cheeses, eggs, certain oils etc. are fattening? Also, do you guys also believe the whole 3500 Calories = 1lb body fat thing?[/QUOTE]

I believe eating high fat meats and cheeses are fattening.

And I don't actually believe in calories, because our bodies don't metabolize so simply as burning it with fire, which is how it's tested. For example, there are estimates that say we don't burn most of the alcohol we consume, and the weight gain typically comes from eating fatty foods while drinking.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Soy Milk? Holy Estrogen concentrate! Enjoy those tities.

I think, and I believe many experts agree, that listening to your body is more important than most people realize. Having lists of good and bad food that you adhere to like a religion isn't as healthy a lifestyle as many people think. Your body knows what kind of food it needs at any given time -but often gets ignored because "we know better".[/QUOTE]

hey fucker I don't like being disrespected, especially online.
 
For the fatty foods thing....

The bodies stores excess calories (when you eat more than you're body needs to function and maintain current muscle mass). Fat you eat gets stored as body fat more readily than do carbs and proteins. So yes, fatty foods can lead to more body fat more quickly than lean foods.

Similarly simple carbs (sugars, bleached flour-white bread) etc. get stored as body fat more than complex carbs (whole grains, yams, brown rice etc.).

Additionally, the body can only convert so many calories to energy at a time. So eating too many calories at once can lead to more body fat. You'll put on more fat eating say 4,000 calories in a day in two meals, than 4,000 calories spread across 5 or 6 small meals. Which is why body builders etc. eat 5-6 meals a day--more of it goes to energy and building muscle, rather than building up body fat stores.

So if you really want to focus on diet and keeping body fat at a minimum you want to avoid saturated fats as much as possible--try to get your fats from things like Salmon, avocados etc., eat complex carbs and very lean proteins like skinless chicken breast etc.
 
I've read books and listen to interviews on podcasts all the time on health, and have to disagree. I'm not helping my case that greatly by using just my own personal experience, but listen to this. For some background about myself, I've was obese up until I was 14. I did the whole low-calorie diet thing and managed to lose my weight. That was a horrible experience and then I gained back almost half that weight.
Here in college, I tried a different approach. I eat a very high fat diet from only traditional natural foods like quality meats, liver, whole plain yogurt, nuts, butter, olive and coconut oil. I also eat some vegetables, usually salad greens, french green beans, carrots. I eat a little fruit like berries or cherries as of late. I avoid vegetable oils like canola and corn oil, sugars, grains, and beans (to be general). So, overall my diet is high fat, moderate-high protein, and about 50-130 grams carbs a day. I also do a lot more walking (Not running!). Occasionally weight lifting.
The result? I feel way way way better mentally and my body fat either drops or stays the same with almost no effort. I listen to my body to fine tune my diet and I have never felt so healthy and full of energy in my life. I just don't understand how people can so easily blame old world foods for all these new world diseases.
 
You avoid beans? Dude beans are good for you, lots of protein and fiber. And if rhymes are true they must be good for your heart in some way.
 
Bean are definitely not a major part of my diet. The problem is, like grains, they contain phytates that can block the absorption of minerals/nutrients. There are better ways of preparing them (soaking them for a day), but no one ever does that. I might have them if I am at a nice Mexican restaurant and just want some good tasting food but it's rare for me.
 
i just ate a 3 pound bag of M&Ms instead of working out by riding a bike im going to drive home in the carpool lane even though its just me in the car. that way i get home sooner to watch some tv and drink some coors.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']I eat the high fat high protein diet. Only carbs I eat are oats and brown rice.[/QUOTE]

To what end do you do all this? Make it poignant.
 
Carbs = release of insulin into the bloodstream
increased blood insulin levels = trigger fat storage

High fat and protein consumption = satiety and stable energy.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']I eat the high fat high protein diet. Only carbs I eat are oats and brown rice.[/QUOTE]

It's not good for the environment to eat so much meat. Your environmental footprint is probably off the charts.
 
[quote name='camoor']It's not good for the environment to eat so much meat. Your environmental footprint is probably off the charts.[/QUOTE]

Scientists are more then welcome to start cloning meat for me to consume.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Scientists are more then welcome to start cloning meat for me to consume.[/QUOTE]

I can appreciate the time you put into sculpting your body, but what does it get you?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I can appreciate the time you put into sculpting your body, but what does it get you?[/QUOTE]

I feel better,I'm healthier,people notice and of course bitches. Going to the beach tomorrow, tons of babes are gonna be checking me out.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']I feel better,I'm healthier,people notice and of course bitches. Going to the beach tomorrow, tons of babes are gonna be checking me out.[/QUOTE]

That's cool. Hopefully you'll meet one that can teach you how to write more coherently.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']I feel better,I'm healthier,people notice and of course bitches. Going to the beach tomorrow, tons of babes are gonna be checking me out.[/QUOTE]

When was your last physical? Can you post your numbers such as blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides, etc?

Regarding your sexual partners, how many do you have per year, how much screening for STDs do you perform, how often do you engage in unprotected sex and with what type of "bitch" or "babe"?

Going back to your physical shape, how long do you intend to maintain it? 20? 25? 30? 40? 50?
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Scientists are more then welcome to start cloning meat for me to consume.[/QUOTE]

I'd rather tax you more for the environmental cleanup your irresponsible lifestyle is causing.

c wat i did dere
 
[quote name='camoor']I'd rather tax you more for the environmental cleanup your irresponsible lifestyle is causing.

c wat i did dere[/QUOTE]

U mad bra?
 
[quote name='camoor']That's really good stuff, thanks. I always felt sick until I quit milk and dairy. Another reason I'm glad I quit.[/QUOTE]

What do you do for calcium and growing man tits?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']What do you do for calcium and growing man tits?[/QUOTE]

Spinach its full of calcium and its man tit free.
 
I found a pic of the inside of bud's medicine cabinet.

Steriods.jpg
 
[quote name='Clak']I found a pic of the inside of bud's medicine cabinet.

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[/QUOTE]

You shouldn't disrespect him, especially on the internet.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']U mad bra?[/QUOTE]

No I was just following your train of thought down its logical path.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea to bring prices more in line with the true cost of items. However it should be done consistently. That would include increasing the price of meat due to elimination of government subsidies and charging meat companies directly for the costs of cleaning up their enviornmental impact (at least, until your deus ex machina meat cloning solution solves everything)
 
[quote name='camoor']No I was just following your train of thought down its logical path.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea to bring prices more in line with the true cost of items. However it should be done consistently. That would include increasing the price of meat due to elimination of government subsidies and charging meat companies directly for the costs of cleaning up their enviornmental impact (at least, until your deus ex machina meat cloning solution solves everything)[/QUOTE]

Free range and local organic farms bra.
 
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