The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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[quote name='DomLando']And the Mets are back to normal.[/quote]

still not giving up yet.

but it does feel like things are coming down a bit. so when did willie randolph come back and manage the team?....because it sure looked that way tonight. im still baffled he didnt let santana go the distance. and im sure enough i could list the other stupid shit that went on in this game. well tomorrow we got myers and i hope this time maine doesnt get blown up.
 
Is reality finally setting in on my Cubbies? Is this where the goat steps in and crushes our season? We just can't win on the road for crap and the second half is a road heavy schedule. Our lead is almost completely gone.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']still not giving up yet.

but it does feel like things are coming down a bit. so when did willie randolph come back and manage the team?....because it sure looked that way tonight. im still baffled he didnt let santana go the distance. and im sure enough i could list the other stupid shit that went on in this game. well tomorrow we got myers and i hope this time maine doesnt get blown up.[/QUOTE]

I guess we can't question taking Santana out since the bullpen has been so good. And if he left Santana in and he blew it, I am sure people would be saying today why leave Johan in for so long.

Last night just reminded me of the beginning of the season way to much. Hopefully they rebound today though.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I guess we can't question taking Santana out since the bullpen has been so good. And if he left Santana in and he blew it, I am sure people would be saying today why leave Johan in for so long.

Last night just reminded me of the beginning of the season way to much. Hopefully they rebound today though.[/quote]

oh yeah last night was definitley awful april baseball again. But hey we rebounded, Maine is still undefeated against the Phillies and Ollie is up against the ageless veteran in Jaime Moyer. Bullpen came through today and Wags finished it up. Rubber Match tomorrow.
 
Someone break up the Brewers...

Did anyone see that story about the baseball card show in Chicago offering Steve Bartman $25,000 to show up and sign a photo of "the incident"? I had to laugh. I personally don't blame him for what happened but he would get killed if he shows up.
 
Mets in first :) Wasn't there a Braves fan talking a little trash earlier this year in this thread?

Seriously though, we will see how long this last. The Mets are getting some really good pitching from their starters. Who knows when we will see the bad Perez again though.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']he wasn't really talking trash. He was very optimistic about the ability/and healthiness of some of there players.[/QUOTE]

Thought I remembered him talking trash when the Braves beat the Mets a few times. But it don't matter anyway I was just joking around.
 
[quote name='yukine']Saturday should be good Webb/Lincecum.[/quote]

I'm actually going to that game....it was either Webb/Teh Franchise or Johnson/Zito...pretty easy pick...

Giants are like 7.5 back I think? I understand were not going to make the playoffs...but it's nice to maybe think of a little run into contention for the future....

I'm pissed at Bochy for his pitching rotation....it should go Franchise,Johny K, Cain, Zito, Correia...but he decides to go Franchise,Johny K, Zito, Cain...

Nonetheless....gonna be a great series...
 
woo, 8 in a row for the Brewers. About fucking time.

Your days are numbered Chicago. If we can sweep STL on the road, imagine what we'll do to you at the end of the month.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Mets in first :) Wasn't there a Braves fan talking a little trash earlier this year in this thread?

Seriously though, we will see how long this last. The Mets are getting some really good pitching from their starters. Who knows when we will see the bad Perez again though.[/quote]


Good ole CocheeseUGA. I wonder where he has been. i havent seen him on the boards at all in the past couple months...

yeah, see still didnt give up and we took out the phils. I hope we can keep up the play though. i mean even heilman came through in the clutch. you know we are playing great is when guys like Delgado and Heilman are becoming clutch. and funny that they start getting good after randolph leaves.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Good ole CocheeseUGA. I wonder where he has been. i havent seen him on the boards at all in the past couple months...

yeah, see still didnt give up and we took out the phils. I hope we can keep up the play though. i mean even heilman came through in the clutch. you know we are playing great is when guys like Delgado and Heilman are becoming clutch. and funny that they start getting good after randolph leaves.[/QUOTE]

Well Heilman scared me today. Werth hit the ball pretty hard but hit it to straight center.

Manuel has surprised me. Like most I did not think he would be a big difference from Willie. Obviously he has helped a lot. The players seem so much more into the game then they were a couple months ago.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Well Heilman scared me today. Werth hit the ball pretty hard but hit it to straight center.

Manuel has surprised me. Like most I did not think he would be a big difference from Willie. Obviously he has helped a lot. The players seem so much more into the game then they were a couple months ago.[/quote]


agreed on manuel. players seem more relaxed now. its funny how delgado said he was getting his timing back right after Willie left. maybe Willie was the single problem of the club house chemestry.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']agreed on manuel. players seem more relaxed now. its funny how delgado said he was getting his timing back right after Willie left. maybe Willie was the single problem of the club house chemestry.[/QUOTE]

It looks like it so far. Let's hope they continue to play this way. All I want is for them to play hard night in and out, something they were not doing for Willie. We will see what happens when they lose a few games in a row how they can bounce back. They did impress me though this series against the Phillies. After that first game loss I would have not thought they would have taken the series.

Only problem I see right now is Pedro. He needs to stay healthy and now he is missing another start since is father passed. Not that it is the most important thing, but lets hope he can bounce back from that as well.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']don't pin too much on pedro...[/quote]

yeah i agree with that. But i think DomLando was pointing out..that may be the biggest thing we have to worry about in Pedro..even though there is of course the corner OFs mainly LF. But there is way too much baseball left to see if the mets can hold first place and how long can we hold it for.

So what do you guys see your teams are going to do at the Deadline? What would you do to improve your team if you were the GM?

For, me...I'd say we go for Raul Ibanez or Casey Blake. Both guys arent that expensive and they can play LF. Blake is hot right now so he may cost more and he has tons of suitors...i think Ibanez is a good option 2 if we dont go for blake hard enough. as for giving up a player...i dont know...Carp or Kunz or a package maybe involving what ever is left in our farm..
 
I hope the redsox do very little. They have talked about getting bullpen help, but imo the relivers that are availabe all are mediocre at best. The best one is george sheril from baltimore, but how likely is it they will trade him to us in the same division and have him under contract untill 2011. They are looking at the pirates lefty reliver, but he sucks away from pitt. I never have been a big fan of fuentes.

I would still like to see the sox trade youk to atl for texeria. Let texeria walk at the end of the season and take the 2 draft picks. We are getting top heavy in prospects in boston, and most won't find playing time in boston. That way we could get 2 much younger prospects. We can utilize the 1b prospect we have in AAA that is crusihing the ball, and hit well in very limited AB in boston this year, for next season. We can go into the playoffs with a 3 - 4 - 5 of ortiz, manny, texeria. Push lowell down to 6, lowirie bats 7th, varitek 8th and ellsbury 9th.

I would move drew to the leadoff spot. He takes pitches, he is crushing the ball, he can take a walk (unlike ellsbuy)solid OBP%, smart baserunner with above avg speed. Ellsbury has been horrible in the leadoff spot. OBP of .327, BA .259, slugging .356. Now I understand his slugging will be low as he isn't a power hitter. But 11 doubles and 1 tripple in 94 games for a guy that has wheels like that is rather poor imo
 
I am very interested in seeing what the rays do. They have a fairly young team with very little veteran presence in the clubhouse. Yes percival and wheeler are that, but they are also relying on eric heinske and cliff floyd for veteran leadership. Neither of those guys really strike me as someone I would want my young player to listen too. They could use a RF, they could use some bullpen help and they like many contender could always add another starter. Historically, the rays have been damm near impossible to trade with. They fleeced the mets of scott kazmir, and since then they have felt all trades should be like that. They got a young single A pitcher from the nationals this offseason for dukes, way too early to tell but dukes is playing poorly. Delmon Young deal netted them matt garza. While IMO garza is overachieving right now, a solid #3 pitcher is much better then an avg to slightly above avg OF that isn't hitting for any power right now.
 
yanks picked up xavier nady and damaso marte...I sorta understand nady, considering that matsui is done for season and the LF they are currently using sucks. But marte, who sucks away from home playing in NY with the short RF for lefties to hit it to, might be a disaster.

They traded russ olendorf allegedly and a couple of other prospects.
 
It was a really interesting move...nady has been a solid offensive player in pitt....but the yanks have 4 of's now with Nady. Damon, melky Cabrera, abreau and now nady. The only one that could leave via free agency is abreau but then you factor matsui back into the mix. Currently damon is DH'ing but he allegedly will be field ready shortly. Posada is allegedly coming back to play this year, and will have to be a DH or 1b. Giambi, while his BA isn't what they wanted when they signed him, his obp and homer, and clutch rbis can't be taken out of the lineup. If you look at it offensively, the guy that sits is cabera. If you take him out, you have a big hole defensively in CF.

Damon no longer can play center, due to slowing down and the even weaker ass arm then what he had in Boston. Giraridi is all about team defense. You have 5 spots for 6 players. 3 OF positions, DH and 1b. You have abreau, damon, nady, Cabrera, giambi, and posada soon all able to play. Someone is going to get pissed off. Now Nady has played some time in CF, but less then a 10th of his MLB career he has played in CF. He played 11 games in CF last season. Previously he played center last in 05 and some in 04. He also has played in NY before, and didn't fare so well at least statistically.
 
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Won the series against the Cubbies, hopefully we can do the same with the Giants and Padres later.

Diamondbacks are way too good of a team to be below .500.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']yeah i agree with that. But i think DomLando was pointing out..that may be the biggest thing we have to worry about in Pedro..even though there is of course the corner OFs mainly LF. But there is way too much baseball left to see if the mets can hold first place and how long can we hold it for.

So what do you guys see your teams are going to do at the Deadline? What would you do to improve your team if you were the GM?

For, me...I'd say we go for Raul Ibanez or Casey Blake. Both guys arent that expensive and they can play LF. Blake is hot right now so he may cost more and he has tons of suitors...i think Ibanez is a good option 2 if we dont go for blake hard enough. as for giving up a player...i dont know...Carp or Kunz or a package maybe involving what ever is left in our farm..[/QUOTE]

Well the corner OFs I am not to worried about. I think Chrurch will be back by years end and I like Chavez in the line up. Tatis has played well also.

I hope the Mets make a move for a reliever. I do not want another old OF for prospects. Even if the asking price is low I rather them pass.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Well the corner OFs I am not to worried about. I think Chrurch will be back by years end and I like Chavez in the line up. Tatis has played well also.

I hope the Mets make a move for a reliever. I do not want another old OF for prospects. Even if the asking price is low I rather them pass.[/quote]

True...Ill still take blake though. The guy has great bat and we could slide him 6th or 7th and still have threat if Castro is not in the lineup. Yeah reliever would be nice but i after Marte to the yanks...im not sure who is left out there to deal for.

Yeah Tatis and Chavez have been terrific as of late. I hope they keep it up because they are being real clutch for us.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Jeff Samardzija made his Cubs debut today. I didn't get to see it but my dad said he had some pretty good stuff.[/quote]


I saw a bit of it from highlights on espn. His fastball (i am assuming it was a fastball as it was 95mph +) had a lot of fucking movement on it
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Are the Red Sox actually trying to deal Manny? I just got back from the store and on ESPN radio they said that's the rumor...[/quote]


well i think they are sick and tired of manny being manny...in the past couple of weeks, he has thrown a mid 60's travel secretary to the ground, he has openly criticized ownership and management, and now suddenly he has this knee injury. Earliery in the season, he also bitchslapped kevin youkillis, after youk was giving manny shit for not running out to the bench clearing brawl vs the rays. People from the bullpen got there quicker then manny did.

I thought once he pushed the travel secretary to the ground that he was pushing buttons to not come back next season. I know for a fact that local reporters were asking francona, and manny if there was anything wrong with him physically over a week ago. Then out of no where he says his knee has been hurting him for over a week. He hadn't told the team, hadn't spoken to the trainers about it, and all of a sudden he has a bad knee. Maybe it does hurt. I don't believe manny though, as he has pulled this shit in the past. The redsox management felt he was bullshitting about the knee, and francona penciled him into the starting lineup last night, after 2 days off. While you didn't seem to be a big fan of francona at the all star game, IMO and most reporters/other manager, francona is highly respected. He also takes the hit for his players and protects them. When manny has pulled this shit before, he has never ever put him in the lineup unless manny told him he was playing. Last night he put him in and manny told the bench coach, brad mills, that he wasn't going to be playing last night.

In what is the biggest series of the season so far for the sox, you have 1 of your best hitters acting like a little bitch to sting the redsox. The ownership, managment, francona, and his teamates are all pissed at him. There has been talk about the looking strikeout that manny had vs rivera before the all star break. It was the same day he was fined 6 figures by the team for pushing the travel secretary. He acted like a bitch then, and didn't want to play that day. With runners in scoring position to tie/win the game they pinch hit manny. He didn't even move the bat off his shoulder. It was very strange/shady Ab for him.

So yes, IMO, the redsox would move manny this trade deadline. I don't know what they could get and still remain in contention though. I guess you could get prospects, and move youkillis out to the OF, and either play the minor league prospect that is crushing the ball, and/or sign bonds and move ortiz to 1b, with youk in the OF. For the money he is making, and the output we are getting from him I don't think it is worth putting up with his shit anymore.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Are the Red Sox actually trying to deal Manny? I just got back from the store and on ESPN radio they said that's the rumor...[/quote]

I believe this is true. My understanding is that they have not been able to work out a deal. It's going to be weird seeing Manny in another uniform.

[quote name='Chitown021']Jeff Samardzija made his Cubs debut today. I didn't get to see it but my dad said he had some pretty good stuff.[/quote]

I saw the game. Incredible stuff. High 90s fastball with pretty good east west movement. None the less, it was his debut and he was nervous. Also, he did not sleep because he had to take a red eye because the cubbies added Kerry Wood to the DL at the last minute. He was missing a few balls, and threw one at the screen, and he did end up giving away the game winning hit, but still 2 good innings of work.

[quote name='ryanbph']yanks picked up xavier nady and damaso marte...[/quote]

From the rumors going around the majors the Yankees got a fantastic deal. I'm not sure about Damaso Marte, he is a good reliever but the Yankees needed a starter, not a reliever. As far as Nady, I've always been a fan of him. I think he gives they Yankees a more versatile line up and a better OF. He can also play 1st, but they Yankees already have 3 first basemen.

I'm a Yankee fan but I'm still not sold these moves are what they need to win their division at the last minute.
 
[quote name='xl_prankster_lx']I believe this is true. My understanding is that they have not been able to work out a deal. It's going to be weird seeing Manny in another uniform.



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they don't need to work a deal out with him. The club holds 2 years of options on him at $20mill a season. They don't need to do shit. If they want him for next year, they just need to pick up the option before nov. IMO, for a .280 - .290 ba, 20 - 25 homers, and 95 or so rbi's that we most likely will get for him this year, he isn't worth 20mill. Shit, jd drew got a ton of shit for getting 15 mill for putting up similiar number in the past to what manny has done the past year and a half.


Did so more research on the manny story. Allegedly, before the game last night francona met with the ownership and manny briefly. Francona rarely meets with ownership before a game. Also rumored if manny decides he doesn't want to play tonight, he will be fined by the team. After he pulled himself from last nights game, they mri'd both knees and nothing showed up. Not even swelling. He also didn't seek treament on thrusday, the offday, to take care of his knee's.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']they don't need to work a deal out with him. The club holds 2 years of options on him at $20mill a season. They don't need to do shit. If they want him for next year, they just need to pick up the option before nov. IMO, for a .280 - .290 ba, 20 - 25 homers, and 95 or so rbi's that we most likely will get for him this year, he isn't worth 20mill. Shit, jd drew got a ton of shit for getting 15 mill for putting up similiar number in the past to what manny has done the past year and a half. [/quote]

Oh. Didn't know that.

I like Manny though. Also, he is flirting with a 300 BA, and has an OBP of around 400. Also a good clutch hitter.

Manny is Manny. Maybe the Red Sox don't want to deal with him any more and that is fine. However he is a good player, top 10 RBI and HR for the AL even though he has had injuries.

Also, Bravo to the Marlins, 2 consecutive wins against the Cubs at Wrigley.
 
well if they were to trade him, it would have to be to the NL. They wouldn't trade him to the AL, so that they could get knocked out of the playoffs/or playoff race. Teams that are speculated that might want him are: Dodgers, diamondbacks, mets and marlins. The cardinals were also listed, but they really need pitching and not offense but a 3 - 5 of pujols, manny, and glaus would be nice for them offensively. I would imagine the mets would be the best fit for manny. He has the right to refuse a trade, but he is really close with pedro. Pedro could persuade him to not force whatever team takes him to pick up the 2 options and add 2 years to the contract. I don't know what the mets could offer that would interest the sox. The diamondbacks, dodgers and marlins have the best prospects to give up. Manny is owed roughly $7mill for the rest of the year.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']well if they were to trade him, it would have to be to the NL. [/quote]

Informative post.

-The marlins could never afford Manny. Plus they are sluggers anyway; lead the majors in HRs.
-Cardinals are in a tough division anyway, I agree they should go after a good starter, they have been getting good performance from their current guys.
-Mets would probably like him, but since they are hot right now Omar Menia (SP) probably isn't interested in adding another big name contract. Plus the mets will likely need a starter too.
-Dodgers maybe. They sorely need offense.
-D backs just added Tony Clark a few weeks ago, and from what I heard on TV, they seem to think that is all the offense they will need.

There are only a few days left for any trades though.
 
Just throwing it out there....

Maybe two weeks ago? I bitch....moan...about Tyler Walker fuckin' up a loss...

Well Teh Franchise/Teh Freak/KKK/Cy Young strikes out 13....utter phenom...and guess who comes in to fuck it up?

Tyler Walker...
 
13K and the L, ouch. :lol:

Webb struggled at first but recovered after that, Rauch justifying the trade. Lyon always terrifies me though.
 
[quote name='yukine']13K and the L, ouch. :lol:

Webb struggled at first but recovered after that, Rauch justifying the trade. Lyon always terrifies me though.[/quote]

Doesn't help that we got screwed out of a run....THAT SHIT HIT THE LINE...

Coddamn did the D-Backs get lucky....heading to the game manana...
 
fucking Pirates.. I hate baseball.. they could have gotten more... this is part of the reason they lose so fucking much...

I want one of two things to happen to the Pirates:

1 - I want the owner to sell the team to someone who will spend to keep them competitive.
2 - I want MLB to step in an stop this BS.
a - create a salary cap (it will never happen)
b - I want them to force the owner to either spend or sell.

Seriously, there is more to baseball than NY, Boston, and Chicago.. but everyone is blind to that fact...if baseball was competitive with their salaries then you could have big stars in small markets like the NFL and NHL... I'm sick and tired of this bulshit.. I'm sell my MLB the show and I will no longer support or watch MLB..
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Doesn't help that we got screwed out of a run....THAT SHIT HIT THE LINE...

Coddamn did the D-Backs get lucky....heading to the game manana...[/quote]

Yeah no kidding.

Anyway, I was pissed at Young for not catching that ball in the 6th that allowed two runs. He has the speed out there that he should of been able to get to it.

I loved how aggressive the Diamondbacks were playing the Giants as well, it ended up not being successful on a few counts but it's good to see.
 
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[quote name='ph33r m3']Doesn't help that we got screwed out of a run....THAT SHIT HIT THE LINE...

Coddamn did the D-Backs get lucky....heading to the game manana...[/quote]

Yeah no kidding.

I loved how aggressive the Diamondbacks were playing the Giants, it ended up not being successful on a few counts but it's good to see.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']True...Ill still take blake though. The guy has great bat and we could slide him 6th or 7th and still have threat if Castro is not in the lineup. Yeah reliever would be nice but i after Marte to the yanks...im not sure who is left out there to deal for.

Yeah Tatis and Chavez have been terrific as of late. I hope they keep it up because they are being real clutch for us.[/QUOTE]

Well there goes the Blake idea. After last night it is clear the Mets should get a relief pitcher. There OF is doing fine and they really don't need to worry about that until the offseason.

Sanchez is struggling big time as of late so is Feliciano. Heilman is still inconsistent, and Muniz, well don't get me started on him. An 8th inning guy would be great. I just don't want them to give up to many prospects as their farm system is depleted as it is.
 
[quote name='xl_prankster_lx']Informative post.

-The marlins could never afford Manny. Plus they are sluggers anyway; lead the majors in HRs.
-Cardinals are in a tough division anyway, I agree they should go after a good starter, they have been getting good performance from their current guys.
-Mets would probably like him, but since they are hot right now Omar Menia (SP) probably isn't interested in adding another big name contract. Plus the mets will likely need a starter too.
-Dodgers maybe. They sorely need offense.
-D backs just added Tony Clark a few weeks ago, and from what I heard on TV, they seem to think that is all the offense they will need.

There are only a few days left for any trades though.[/QUOTE]

Supposedly the Mets contacted the Redsox but nothing came of it.

Personally I would hope the Mets are not looking to add another older player to the roster.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Dammit, the Cubs have now officially coughed up their lead. I guess they returned the favor to the Brewers from last year...[/quote]

I don't know what's been up with this team since the start of the month, but the bats are just plain dead. Granted, the bats have been inconsistent practically all season. But nine times out of ten when that happened they got a good pitching performance from whoever started.

Carlos Marmol appears to have went from penthouse to doghouse. Dude was lights out the first half of the season, now he's making me rip my hair out. Fukudome seems to be suffering from some sort of mental block, methinks. He just can't seem to get ahold of anything as of late.

As much as everyoine is wanting the Cubs to pull of one more trade to improve the bullpen, Samardzija shows some promise. I'm not sure what the plan is when Kerry Wood comes off the DL, but I'd prefer to see Samardzija stay in the bullpen. If someone has to go, send Howry down.

These guys need a serious kick in the ass somehow. Let's hope it shows up when they hit Milwaukee on Monday. They seriously need it.
 
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