The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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[quote name='ph33r m3']I'll just stop your insane post before it gets eaten up like a chew toy.

Lincecum didn't take a long time to get into the majors genius....he spent all 4 years at U-Dub....and get this...less than a year in the minors before being called up in April/May....

2nd....Lincecum is on a pitch count....he's a top pitcher but he has one inning which he struggles...he on average pitches about 11-13 pitches an inning...he goes 7...we give it to the pen...

How are Halladay and Duscherer young pitchers? Jesus....Duscherer is about to turn 30....[/quote]

Ok, I guess I was wrong. My bad. I'll leave my original post up there if any one does want to rip it up.
 
Arod is so lucky Figgins couldn't field today. He escaped two double plays in clutch situations and came out looking like his usual overrated self.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Joe Girardi is fucking mental. Leaves in Ramirez against Texiera after walking two batters. And Marte was warming up in the 'pen.[/quote]

Marte wouldn't have faired much better...Tex was 5 for 6 vs Marte man...but Ramirez laid that shit out over the plate....anyone could've jacked that.
 
Cubs bullpen still shaky. Reed Johnson saved the game in the bottom of the 8th with the clutch PH homer. Nice relief appearance by Samardzija.

Good lord the Yankees won because they got 10 unearned runs! That's nuts.

I also saw the Royals get into a little scrap with the White Sox. I was hoping someone would take down Peirzinski, that guy is a major prick.
 
hmm 4 game losing streak for mets...man nothing new here. We stunk in all 3 games against the Stros and now we might lose Billy Wagner....so i guess it could be safe to say we may be fucked for awhile.

atleast Kunz was solid in his first outing in the Big Leagues.

im still wondering why Manuel hasn't let Johan pitch a complete game yet......that still kills me. He handles Johan like Randolph used to handle him.....
 
Well we split the series with the Dodgers, Manny needs to stop getting hits for Christ sake. I believe he was 4 for 5 today, HR and 3 RBIs.

Dodgers have been playing well, but now they are like a completely different team with Manny out there. Dodgers and the fans seem to be taking to him very well.

"I love it," Ramirez said after one game with the Dodgers. "I feel at home already. Put the word on me -- I want to stay here. The weather is nice, the stadium is beautiful."
 
[quote name='yukine']Well we split the series with the Dodgers, Manny needs to stop getting hits for Christ sake. I believe he was 4 for 5 today, HR and 3 RBIs.

Dodgers have been playing well, but now they are like a completely different team with Manny out there. Dodgers and the fans seem to be taking to him very well.

"I love it," Ramirez said after one game with the Dodgers. "I feel at home already. Put the word on me -- I want to stay here. The weather is nice, the stadium is beautiful."[/QUOTE]

Once you go Hollywood, you never go back. :) And yes, the Dodgers are a completely different team with Manny out there. It's called O-F-F-E-N-S-E! We had none before. Manny can "be Manny" all he wants while he's here.

On a more somber note- rest in peace, Skip. Aside from Sox/Cubs/Cardinals games we got in central Illinois, I'd watch more Braves games than anything in my formative baseball years due to TBS (and indirectly, WCW/Tony Schiavone promoting them) and Skip was always quality. On top of that, growing up in Illinois in a family of Cubs fans, I have a soft spot for Harry Caray despite being a Sox fan. All that being said, he shall be missed.
 
You know that was a joke right?

The season is not over, while the Dodgers are going to be tough to beat underestimating the Diamondbacks is just stupid. Claiming to have already won the race like a lot of Dodger fans are doing is ignorant.
 
[quote name='yukine']You know that was a joke right?

The season is not over, while the Dodgers are going to be tough to beat underestimating the Diamondbacks is just stupid. Claiming to have already won the race like a lot of Dodger fans are doing is ignorant.[/quote]


exactly. As i keep iterating, there is just way too much baseball left to start deciding any winners. All divisions are tight except for the AL West...but who knows what can happen there.,,even though the Angels are 11.5 up against oakland.. The dodgers or D-Backs can get hot/hit a rough patch.

That race can go either way.
 
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[quote name='integralsmatic']hmm 4 game losing streak for mets...man nothing new here. We stunk in all 3 games against the Stros and now we might lose Billy Wagner....so i guess it could be safe to say we may be fucked for awhile.

atleast Kunz was solid in his first outing in the Big Leagues.

im still wondering why Manuel hasn't let Johan pitch a complete game yet......that still kills me. He handles Johan like Randolph used to handle him.....[/QUOTE]

Johan pitched a complete game his last start against the Cards.
 
[quote name='yukine']
"I love it," Ramirez said after one game with the Dodgers. "I feel at home already. Put the word on me -- I want to stay here. The weather is nice, the stadium is beautiful."[/quote]

He will sign with who ever gives him the most money over a 4 year period. My money is on the mets. He is from NY, the mets need a power hitting OF and minaya loves manny. A lot of anaylst have said the yanks to stick it to the sox when they open the new stadium next year. I don't it. They have 4 of under contract next year. (Damon, Nady, matsui, and cabrera). They have a 1b next year in posada. ( I don't see them going after texeria either) IMO damon/matsui will DH and all there free agent money is going to go towards front line pitchers.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Johan pitched a complete game his last start against the Cards.[/quote]


yeh i know but he still shoulda let him gone the distance in that game. I atleast hope wagner is ok....i dont want to do bullpen by commitee..thats atleast what i think will happen.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Once you go Hollywood, you never go back. :) And yes, the Dodgers are a completely different team with Manny out there. It's called O-F-F-E-N-S-E! We had none before. Manny can "be Manny" all he wants while he's here.[/quote]

Just wait until the honeymoon is over...and if you honestly believe Manny wants to finish his career in LA (unless they're the high bidders, of course), you haven't been watching the Manny Show very long.
 
I still can't believe that boras has it in manny's head that he can get another 100 million over 4 years. Manny was one of the best right handed hitters to play. He isn't that guy anymore though, and he won't even take AB against the top pitchers in the game. He is a tad more explosive then what JD Drew is, but has far worse defensive skills and no longer has the small OF spot in fenway to make him look passable. IMO he isn't in Arods contract number price range. I also don't think he is worth 20 mill a season for 4 years. Considering andrew jones got 18 for 2 years I guess someone out there will give it to him, but IMO he is a 15 mill player and not worth more then a 2 year deal. If he wants a 4 year deal he isn't worth more then $12 mill the last 2 years.
 
damm it all, we already have another fucking player bitching....keep you fucking mouths shut and play the game

david ortiz is already whining about no manny protecting him, and go on and saying that he walked like crazy since manny left...This season he is getting roughly .63 walks per game played. Since manny left, 5 games/4 walks or roughly .8 walks per game. Yes it has increased, but if you look at his career stats he has had similiar walk numbers. Last year he avg .74 walks per game. In 2006 he avg .79 walks per game played. Manny went 3 months without ortiz batting ahead of him, and the team put up similiar # with ortiz. You didn't hear anyone bitching about it.
 
And in other Sox news, Ortiz is hearing a "click" in his wrist. Could spell trouble if serious. I wonder if Cincy will try to pass Dunn through waivers for a deal? Would be interested in taking a flyer on him, depending on the damage it would do.

But then again, I think this team can play small ball pretty well. And if Ortiz goes down, Drew or Crisp could DH while the other plays the field. This team doesn't have to crush the ball.
 
if ortiz goes down, they have chris carter and bailey in AAA. Crisp and ellsbury aren't playing good enough for both to be in the lineup for extended time.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I still can't believe that boras has it in manny's head that he can get another 100 million over 4 years. Manny was one of the best right handed hitters to play. He isn't that guy anymore though, and he won't even take AB against the top pitchers in the game. He is a tad more explosive then what JD Drew is, but has far worse defensive skills and no longer has the small OF spot in fenway to make him look passable. IMO he isn't in Arods contract number price range. I also don't think he is worth 20 mill a season for 4 years. Considering andrew jones got 18 for 2 years I guess someone out there will give it to him, but IMO he is a 15 mill player and not worth more then a 2 year deal. If he wants a 4 year deal he isn't worth more then $12 mill the last 2 years.[/quote]


Boras is also pushing Mark Texiera next year for 10 years 230 million dollars. the man is a bonified devil to ball clubs and saint to the players' wallets.
 
yeah but IMO texeria is a lot closer to those numbers then manny is for $100 mill over 4 years.

Texeria is 8 or so years younger, plays gold glove caliber defense, isn't a cancer, is a switch hitter, in his career he has avg about 30 homers and 100 rbi's a season if you take out his rookie season. He wasn't even off by much that year with 84 rbis and 26 homers add all that up and the fact that he is in his prime as a player, I would give him a good 8 year deal at 23 mill per season.

Manny will play when he feels like it, his power and rbi stats are on the decline and he refuses to play against the games top pitchers. Peter Gammons said it a couple years back, but he said that he is only hitting bad pitchers these days, and doesn't not fair well vs pitchers that are good. It was something along those lines and he had numbers to prove it. Now there are still plenty of mediocre pitchers playing, but paying a guy $25 mill for 4 years at the age of 37 is out of line imo. Maybe $18 for 2.



Another thing I don't get is the analyst belief that the yanks will be big spenders for both texeria and manny. They have 4 of on the payroll, and posada will be there 1b. I just don't see the yanks being serious bidders for either player.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']yeah but IMO texeria is a lot closer to those numbers then manny is for $100 mill over 4 years.

Texeria is 8 or so years younger, plays gold glove caliber defense, isn't a cancer, is a switch hitter, in his career he has avg about 30 homers and 100 rbi's a season if you take out his rookie season. He wasn't even off by much that year with 84 rbis and 26 homers add all that up and the fact that he is in his prime as a player, I would give him a good 8 year deal at 23 mill per season.

Manny will play when he feels like it, his power and rbi stats are on the decline and he refuses to play against the games top pitchers. Peter Gammons said it a couple years back, but he said that he is only hitting bad pitchers these days, and doesn't not fair well vs pitchers that are good. It was something along those lines and he had numbers to prove it. Now there are still plenty of mediocre pitchers playing, but paying a guy $25 mill for 4 years at the age of 37 is out of line imo. Maybe $18 for 2.



Another thing I don't get is the analyst belief that the yanks will be big spenders for both texeria and manny. They have 4 of on the payroll, and posada will be there 1b. I just don't see the yanks being serious bidders for either player.[/quote]

My problem with the potential Teixeira pay day is that he doesn't play an offensively challeged position. Alex Rodriguez played SS and plays 3B. He would have gotten a deal for Andruw Jones (if he hadn't stunk the last year and a half) whom plays CF.

Save yourself a $150 Million on a first basemen and invest that money elsewhere in your organization.

With that said, someone will pay him.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I don't think teams look at it that way...if the guy produces they will get paid regardless of position...hello jason giambi[/quote]


Even a Jason Giambi type deal is much better. 7 yrs @ $120 Million, save $50 - $110 Million and spend it elsewhere. It's insane for all but a few teams to pay $230 Million for 1 player.

To clarify, I meant you would spend $80 Million on the first baseman and spend the rest to improve your club in other ways.

Funny, I referred to spending ONLY $80 Million as a type of fiscal sanity :bomb:
 
That giambi deal was just about 7 years ago. Prices have gone up, as andrew jones, barry zitto, jason schmidt and recently arod have shown.

As for teams that may be interested...the angels have the funds and have dropped big bucks randomly on players. The yanks and redsox have to be considered. The mets will need a 1b. The whitesox spend decent money and most likely will be letting dye walk, it isn't like konerko is hitting. Thats a 1/6th of the league and I am sure someone else will splash in as well.
 
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[quote name='dafoomie']Brian Giles possibly to the Sox... Not sure what to think of that.[/quote]

That would have been a great move six or seven years ago. I think I would take Hairston or Gerut before I would Giles.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']That would have been a great move six or seven years ago. I think I would take Hairston or Gerut before I would Giles.[/QUOTE]
I think they just want an extra outfielder, and insurance for Lowell since he's hurting right now. He wouldn't start unless Lowell were out, Youk would move to 3rd, and even then he'd have to fight Sean Casey for at bats.

As long as they're not paying too much for him, I don't mind this at all. He'll probably sign with San Diego again in the offseason.
 
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as for giles, weei yesterday afternoon was speculating that either lowell might go on the DL and giles would play 3b. This just shows that they are done with lugo. Or if ellsbury and cocco continue to not hit (ellsbury did have a good game the other night) giles could play some in the OF.

On yahoo today they stated the sox don't want him, they just wanted to make sure the rays don't get him.


Also on yahoo, taken from boston.com was an interesting story about manny. Allegedly the commish office is investigating the situation

You are not alone. The commissioner's office is investigating the circumstances of Manny's final hours with the Red Sox. The Globe has learned (from a source with direct knowledge of the inquiry) that Bud Selig directed Major League Baseball executive vice president Rob Manfred to contact all parties for an explanation of how things unfolded around last week's trading deadline. According to the source, Manfred has yet to report back to the commissioner.

here is the full story
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/08/08/manny_mania_takes_over_la/

I really don't know what the commish could due to him.
 
From what I've read on the Boston Globe, the move to claim Giles was in order to prevent TB and LAA from getting him. Giles has a no-trade clause to the Bosox, so if he vetoed, then they wouldn't be able to dump him on waivers.
 
Giles veoted the deal to the Sox.

The Globe reported today that the Sox wanted to block Giles from going to the Devil Rays, in retaliation for them putting in a claim on Adam Stern in order to block the Sox from getting Javy Lopez trade a couple years ago.

The Sox did want Giles, but are happy enough with him not going to Tampa.
 
Dodgers will most likely be in first soon, we got blown out by the Braves of all teams and Hudson is most likely out for the rest of the season after fracturing his wrist.

We traded Bonifacio, yeah we're fucked.
 
Evan Longoria fractured his wrist, and Crawford is out too. Rays starting to get the injury bug. Of course I'd rather the Sox were in first, but I can't help but be interested in the Rays' resurrection this season.
 
rumors that crawford might be done for the season.

allegedly the sox plan on sticking with buckholz as the #5 guy. I don't get it, he has been horrible. Some local analyst are trying to claim he is keeping them in ballgames. 4 runs in 5 inn, IMO, isn't keeping them in ballgames. He is young, anytime anyone gets on base he looks lost out on the mound. He looks worse then dice k did when someone got on base last year. Why they are letting him get beat up like that amazes me, considering they have bowden lighting it up in the minors.
 
they don't need to dump him, he is very young, I think his biggest issue is getting his confidence back on the mound. He isn't getting that being slapped around at the MLB level. I am fine with demoting him to AAA, and letting him do some bullpen appearances when the rosters expand, but he is killing the club. Every 5th game you can pencil in a loss.
 
And the Yankees are slowly falling apart. I'll watch tonight because Moose is pitching and I want to see him get to 20 wins, but the Yankees need to get their shit together.
 
[quote name='lordwow']They need to dump Bucholtz. I really liked him, but he falls apart with dudes on base.

Can't wait to see the new knuckler.[/quote]

[quote name='ryanbph']they don't need to dump him, he is very young, I think his biggest issue is getting his confidence back on the mound. He isn't getting that being slapped around at the MLB level. I am fine with demoting him to AAA, and letting him do some bullpen appearances when the rosters expand, but he is killing the club. Every 5th game you can pencil in a loss.[/quote]

Please learn to spell his name. Sorry, it bugs me when Sox fans screw it up.

He does look lost. In his last start, he threw over to first base... twice.... when Paul Konerko was almost standing on the bag. Konerko might be the slowest man in professional sports. The next time he was on first, Konerko somehow had a bag stolen blind. Luckily, the batter fouled off the pitch.
 
Charlie Zink.
Hopefully this guy can replace Wakefield when he finally decides to retire.
I'm all for knuckleballers.

Sox also picked up Paul Byrd today... bleh.
 
both teams pitched horribly/both teams hit the ball very well. Zink throws too many low 80's fastballs, and I really don't think kevin cash knows how to call a game. Cash's sole responsibility is to catch tim wakefield, and he has pitched long enough to call his own game.

Mike lowell is on the 15 day DL, and might be out longer. They called up david pauley and they sent zink back down. While I am fine with youk playing 3rd and casey getting expanded playing time, I really want to see carter get called up and get some time in as well. If they play 5 games a week, there is no reason that casey and carter can't platoon at 1b, as well as let lowrie play 3b and give youk some time off and let cora get a game a week at ss. I know carter was/is on the 7 day DL, but that happened almost 2 weeks ago.

Byrd is bumping buckholz back in the rotation. Byrd pitches friday, and allegedly buckholz will pitch on Sunday. Colon had a good outing in his 2nd rehab game. The first one didn't go so well. His next rehab start his goal is the 55 - 65 pitch count. I am really suprised that bowden hasn't gotten a shot. Zink was going on 3 days rest, and while he has dominated AAA this year allegedly the organization views him as a career AAA player. Bowden scheduled start was last night, and he made it in AAA.
 
They think Bowden is the goods but they don't want to rush him. Might be better to let these guys let a little more polished in AAA instead of getting into situations like Buchholz's.

Zink... I want him to succeed but I don't think he's a major league starter. He doesn't really have a breaking ball like Wake does, and his knuckler isn't as good either. His fastball is better but he uses it too much. And how can a knuckler have a changeup?
 
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