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[quote name='masked lemon']Random PIcs 11:

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So it wasn't Nick Bollea that turned the kid into a vegetable after all!
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']Feeling lazy so here is a link instead of a repost:

THESE ARE SMACKDOWN SPOILERS DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO FIND OUT

http://www.lordsofpain.net/reports/...RS_FOR_THIS_WEEK_S_WWE_SMACKDOWN_1_28_11.html

I know that was kinda excessive but it works.[/QUOTE]

All I gathered from the spoilers is
Percy Watson may soon return to WWE TV. fuck.

I gave ROH Final Battle 2010 another view. The final chair shot in Generico-Steen is incredibly brutal. That match is still, easily, one of the top two matches of 2010. It's hard to choose between Michaels-Undertaker and Generico-Steen. I had more invested in Michaels-Undertaker, but the athleticism in Generico-Steen is just jaw-dropping.
 
In regards to the Smackdown spoilers

Edge and Randy Orton defeat The Miz and Dolph Ziggler when Edge hits the spear on Ziggler. After the match, Vickie Guerrero says the spear is banned. If Edge uses it at the Royal Rumble, Dolph Ziggler automatically wins and gets the World Title.

:applause::applause:
 
[quote name='basilofbkrst']In regards to the Smackdown spoilers

Edge and Randy Orton defeat The Miz and Dolph Ziggler when Edge hits the spear on Ziggler. After the match, Vickie Guerrero says the spear is banned. If Edge uses it at the Royal Rumble, Dolph Ziggler automatically wins and gets the World Title.

:applause::applause:[/QUOTE]
That shouldn't worry Edge since he doesn't actually spear anyone.

Now if Vicky had banned the running hug...
 
[quote name='neocisco']I dread when they'll begin the annual "point at the WM sign" routine that will last for 2 months.[/QUOTE]

Aw, son of a bitch. I had forgotten about that entirely.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Aw, son of a bitch. I had forgotten about that entirely.[/QUOTE]

Seconded. Even though it's involved in at least two cutscenes in the SvR 11 Royal Rumble match (it's the focal point of the screen when you get down to the last 2 people, and the winner points at it incessantly, let you, the gamer, make a mistake and think they've won a lifetime supply of "Sea-Bond" instead.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I'm reading that Bret Hart is now available on SvR2011. Not free with Fan Axxess.. 80 points ($1).[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the headsup on this. Bret Hart was $0.99, and Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" costume was downloadable for free.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Aw, son of a bitch. I had forgotten about that entirely.[/QUOTE]

I was gonna bring it up the other day, but I opted out since I remember how much you guys hate that particular wrestling trope.
 
he was in WWF for awile. the GOdfather character was a couple years at least. My fav was him and Val Venis, Supply & Demand. Too bad they couldn't keep those themes when they switched to PG =/
 
[quote name='steve nash']ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww anyone else see HHH on the aaron rodgers segment on espn?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I saw it on Sunday. It was extremely dochey
 
[quote name='basilofbkrst']In regards to the Smackdown spoilers

Edge and Randy Orton defeat The Miz and Dolph Ziggler when Edge hits the spear on Ziggler. After the match, Vickie Guerrero says the spear is banned. If Edge uses it at the Royal Rumble, Dolph Ziggler automatically wins and gets the World Title.

:applause::applause:[/QUOTE]

There are two possible outcomes to this. Either they are trying to give Dolph the belt while not making Edge look weak, or they are trying to give Edge another finisher. Bring back the Edgecator! LOL
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Aw, son of a bitch. I had forgotten about that entirely.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='mykevermin']Seconded.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Purple Flames']I was gonna bring it up the other day, but I opted out since I remember how much you guys hate that particular wrestling trope.[/QUOTE]

Sorry. It annoys me too and I should have let that dog lie. Maybe they'll surprise us and not do it this year.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Y'know, because Vince is all about subtlety.
 
Firstly, nice summation, HydroX. :)

What first popped into my mind: fuck.

Then: :whistle2:(.

Truthfully, I have little qualm with either of those three so long as they start within the first five to nine slots. So, in 2009, I had little issue with Randy Orton coming into the Rumble at number nine, and later winning it. His match with Triple H, at WrestleMania 2009, is actually okay.

If you look back on Royal Rumble winners, with present-day knowledge of the E, the results are as predictable as today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rumble

I have watched the Rumble since Hulk Hogan won it in 1991, have re-watched most of the Rumbles, and the only winners that maintain a sense of 'surprise' would be Ric Flair (I recently watched the 1992 Rumble, and it's still a surprise), Bret Hart and Lex Luger (couldn't predict that outcome), Shawn Michaels in 1995 (that made Shawn a credible contender; love that Rumble), and Chris Benoit (I still think WWE's going to screw it up and change the winner to Big Show).

If we had been older fans at those times, with the same insight, and the Internet, I think we could have speculated the winners of most of these Rumbles.
 
Ha! I had forgotten about that, ced. Thanks for the reminder. :lol:



Current, IWGP Jr. Heavyweight champion, Prince Devitt has been scheduled to defend his title against Low Ki in a May show co-produced by Jersey All Pro Wrestling and New Japan.

That's either some long-term booking, or scheduled-to-change.
 
While most of those winners are 'predictable', a lot of that also comes down to the fact that it didn't used to be so diluted. The Rumble used to mean you were *the* guy at Mania, so the stakes were higher. It also used to be that there was a general story leading up to the Rumble with a predictable outcome. The Austin/McMahon years are prime examples of this.

Once winning the Rumble became nothing 'special', it was a lot tougher to gauge. How many recent Rumble winners haven't even gotten the main event spot at Mania? How many surprise entrants have taken it without even a mention beforehand? At the end of the day, it just doesn't mean as much anymore, which is kind of sad. Shit, just the Elimination Chamber being between them kills a ton of momentum.

What's sadder is that they've sort of gone the wrong way with it. Now that it *isn't* as important, more 'no chance in hell' guys should be winning, yet we still get Cena, Orton, Taker, and Edge. To me, the last really outside the box guys were Benoit and Mysterio, which sounds weird. With how many ways there are now to get to Mania, there's no reason to play it safe and give it to a guy like Cena just so he can 'beat the biggest odds ever!'. Between a normal storyline and the run through the EC, there's no great reason that Cena, or anyone like him, needs to win the Rumble.

Winning the Rumble used to mean you were chosen to be the focal point of WrestleMania. Now it just means that WWE couldn't come up with any more compelling reason to get you there.

Oh, and even though I say it every year, I still love how WWE's website just pretends that 2004 didn't have a Rumble.
 
New character confirmed for marvel vs. Capcom 3!

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THE CHAMP IS HERE!!11!
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http://www.pwinsider.com/article/54...-arent-happy-hes-staying-on-the-tour.html?p=1

MORE ON THE RIC FLAIR SITUATION, WHY SOME WRESTLERS ARE GLAD IT WENT DOWN AND WHY OTHERS AREN'T HAPPY HE'S STAYING ON THE TOUR
By Mike Johnson on 2011-01-26 11:30:26

As I noted earlier today, the word on Ric Flair is that he'll be returning to the TNA tour starting with tomorrow's event in Glasgow, Scotland.

There were a number of wrestlers who rolled their eyes when they heard Flair was coming back to the tour, but I've heard the decision was strictly a financial one. Since the European tours are sold shows and TNA has had a number of changes (AJ Styles and Alex Shelley injuries, Kurt Angle leaving early due to the premature birth of his daughter, etc.), the feeling was that TNA needed to keep Flair on the tour as a way to maintain good relations with both the local promoters and the European fans who kept supporting the company even as their TV was on hiatus. TNA added Matt Hardy to the tour, initially unadvertised, for the same reasons.

The decision to bring back Flair is not going to be a popular one among at least some of the wrestlers. The majority of the crew was in favor of leaving Flair behind in Dublin and now he has to face them. I was told that several talents spoke up to management in the last 24 hours, pushing for Flair to be sent home and even let go from the company. Talents were burying Flair for his antics, noting that he was ruining the vibe of what had otherwise been a calm, happy tour. A few were comparing Flair to Booker T, who fell out of favor with several in the company during the Germany tour last year, something that was a factor in his eventual departure from TNA.

As I noted yesterday, a number of wrestlers were making light of the entire situation after it went down, cutting "Flair promos" after the situation and quoting comments from his outburst, including Flair's claims that he was going to have a member of TNA management fired. One person I spoke to joked that Jay Lethal should have been booked on the tour, just so he could have been doing his Flair impersonation after everything went down.

While there are some who are angry at Flair for the incident in Dublin, there are also some who feel sorry for Flair. One talent who emailed PWInsider.com this morning gave us permission to repeat the following under condition of anonymity:

"The whole thing was stupid but most of us feel more sorry for him than upset. If someone told you everyone is mad, that's a lie. But, there are some pissed because it makes the entire crew look like a**holes and we are certainly tired of his sh**. Flair's asked several of us for money when he's had his credit cards declined. When that happens, the bar tab comes and others get stuck paying for the very drinks he said were on the house in the first place. Everyone loves the "Nature Boy", but when the limousines and party lifestyle is based on bad credit and lies, it suddenly becomes more pathetic than anything else. There is nothing glamorous about a guy who has no concept of money management and then lies to try and get out of it. The fact he has no money should be a lesson every wrestler today should take note of. Don't let this happen to you. If you read the Gorgeous George book that came out and then take an honest look at Ric, you realize, wow, that book is pretty much predicting his future - and that's not a happy ending."

Another source commented that the Flair incident was the best thing that could have happened to the company, since it forces management to deal with it first-hand and might make TNA a little more leery of continuing to bring in expensive veteran talent when the last year has shown no upside to it based on the current ratings. That source noted that the younger side of the locker room has started to unite against the veterans, feeling they are the ones pulling the cart with their work and working regularly on the road, while a number of the veterans (but not all) treat the company like it's their "country club".

That source noted, "I respect what the older guys have done, but they aren't making us any money. Nothing reflects that. We would draw the exact same if 99% of them were gone. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards to take a leap forward and I really think more and more that's where TNA is. Obviously, you need some veteran talents but there's a crew here that wants to build a company and we want to focus on that, not paying someone's bar tab and having to wait for him to fight it out with Craig Jenkins [TNA Management] when he doesn't get his way."
 
[quote name='neocisco']"The Corre", huh? That may the single stupidest name for a faction I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]

Nope, that will always belong to "The Union". Worst faction ever.
 
[quote name='mitch079']Nope, that will always belong to "The Union". Worst faction ever.[/QUOTE]

That didn't ring any bells so I looked it up. I read the Wikipedia summary and I still have no recollection at all of them. I remember the Corporate Ministry of course yet nothing about The Union. Quite impactful, that group, hm?
 
[quote name='mitch079']Nope, that will always belong to "The Union". Worst faction ever.[/QUOTE]

Ah, yes... Mankind, Test, Big Show, and Ken Shamrock... waving around 2 by 4's like they're last names were all Duggan... had the William Regal Real Man's Man whistle in their theme song... lasted maybe a month tops...

The "Union of People You Oughta Respect, Shane"
 
I've been randomly going through old VHS and DVDs, mainly stuff from the 97-00 period. My god, it's not new information or anything, but I still get amazed when I hear just how much more of a shit the crowd gives. I realize that's based on main event type matches, but it's rare to hear a crowd get that vocal anymore. It makes me kind of sad.

Also, for the love of god, just let the commentators be themselves. Hearing King from '98 or '99 and then turning on Raw is just pathetically sad. After all these years, I forget just how good he actually was when he was heeling it up.

The final note, and I realize I'm going to probably not get backed up on this one... man, Taker is a legend and all, but some of his matches are just painfully boring. We've seen that he can really go when he wants to, but man... some of the Attitude Era stuff is just brutally bland. I still miss Ministry Taker, though. That one walked the fine line between the 'magical' Deadman and the (eventual) regular guy Taker really well some of the time. Well, you know, aside from the crosses and sacrificing and stuff. Mainly the mic work. He actually, you know, talked, instead of just said short, creepy things.
 
[quote name='007']I've been randomly going through old VHS and DVDs, mainly stuff from the 97-00 period. My god, it's not new information or anything, but I still get amazed when I hear just how much more of a shit the crowd gives. I realize that's based on main event type matches, but it's rare to hear a crowd get that vocal anymore. It makes me kind of sad.[/QUOTE]

I love looking for huge crowd reactions from around that era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENT6asElNiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbC06eQS_ww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61duAhvfqpw
 
[quote name='007']I realize I'm going to probably not get backed up on this one... man, Taker is a legend and all, but some of his matches are just painfully boring. We've seen that he can really go when he wants to, but man... some of the Attitude Era stuff is just brutally bland.[/QUOTE]

Eh, I'm as big an Undertaker fan as you'll ever find, but some of his Attitude era stuff, and a lot of his stuff pre-Mankind feud wasn't too enthralling as far as in-ring content. Of course, a lot of that is due to the quality of opponent (working with people like Warrior, Hogan, 90's version of King Kong Bundy, and Giant Gonzalez isn't a recipe for success even if you're a decent hand).

When he was with someone capable who gave a shit it could still work...the match with Nash at WM12 was shockingly good. His stuff with Yoko was very watchable since Yoko was pretty awesome considering his size. Dude was twice the size of most fat guys and moved twice as well.

His Ministry era stuff I'm torn on. I liked the character since I like the over the top goofy stuff, but his promos were sort of forced. They really should have let Bearer do more of the talking during that run. More importantly, it was obvious he needed some time off to heal up.

That weird, brief time period between when he shifted away from the Ministry stuff and was sort of doing the prototype biker character was GREAT though as far as promos. That era gave us the "leaving the Big Show stranded in the desert" interview, as well as the moment where he threatened to stab Michael Cole in the face.


Love those crowd reaction videos. These are my favorites:

A little past the 4 minute mark on this one. This is a version with the original music...the overdubs kill it on the Wrestlemania Anthology DVDs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvMmhLR24g4

And my favorite one ever, the Bearer/Kane return from 2000 (2 min mark). Sadly the sound/video quality isn't that great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzhxwuizY9M

What's too bad is, Undertaker was originally going to return with him there from what I recall, but he was injured while training for his return so they pushed it back a few months. Speaking of which, the night on Raw after his return was pretty fucking insane too. Too bad they had to throw a fucking Kid Rock advertisement in there in the middle of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcQZVI_XPl0
 
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[quote name='007']I've been randomly going through old VHS and DVDs, mainly stuff from the 97-00 period. My god, it's not new information or anything, but I still get amazed when I hear just how much more of a shit the crowd gives. I realize that's based on main event type matches, but it's rare to hear a crowd get that vocal anymore. It makes me kind of sad.[/QUOTE]

Damn, I love watching the crowds in those old matches. I just finished watching the AWA collection from Netflix and it's amazing how much the crowds were into it. I also love seeing people throw crap into the ring or at the heels walking away. I've heard interviews with guys saying that they knew they were doing their job right when people wanted to kill them. Nowadays, I'm sure throwing something will get a person tossed and/or arrested.

Also, for the love of god, just let the commentators be themselves. Hearing King from '98 or '99 and then turning on Raw is just pathetically sad. After all these years, I forget just how good he actually was when he was heeling it up.

Let's be honest, Vince was just passable as an announcer. And now he projects that blandness to his current group of announcers. Lawler is a natural heel. I don't think I ever saw him as a face when he was wrestling. Yet he is now being pushed as an upper level baby-face against The Miz and Mr Terrible (Cole).
 
That Kane return was stunning (injury? i don't recall his absence.) Even I got those goosebumps that indicate a true mark-out moment.

"Steph, come here!" Lawler made a major transition in the past decade as an announcer. His best stuff was just aping the Bobby Heenan/Henny Youngman one-liner style in the mid-1990's. But, recall that wrestling fans were so easily trained to chant PG things then that you had tens of thousands chanting "Bur-Ger King!" at him. I don't know that such a milquetoast slur would work today.

The visual of a crowd going bonkers is very different from today. When everyone is jumping up and down, arms in the air, the visual seems to "swallow up" the ring such that it's very hard to see. But I can't help but wonder if the increased space around the ring area on WWE tv is part of what has killed off that visual? Is it no more than fan disinterest? I'm not sure I believe that.

But then again, devil's advocate to myself, WWF's ratings at the time were in the 8 range, weren't they? And today if they draw a 3.4 they're ecstatic.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The visual of a crowd going bonkers is very different from today. When everyone is jumping up and down, arms in the air, the visual seems to "swallow up" the ring such that it's very hard to see. But I can't help but wonder if the increased space around the ring area on WWE tv is part of what has killed off that visual? Is it no more than fan disinterest? I'm not sure I believe that.[/QUOTE]

I think it's a mix of fan disinterest and bland/uninteresting characters/storylines.

I mean, listen to this pop when Stone Cold comes out.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3f8jp_mick-foley-wins-world-title_sport

They could never get that response today. The crowd was going insane.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't remember that version of Mankind's theme music at all.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it wasn't used for long. Too bad...it wasn't great but I hated his stupid "car crash" theme that he had for the remainder of his time there.

[quote name='mykevermin']That Kane return was stunning (injury? i don't recall his absence.)[/QUOTE]

I believe so, but the storyline was X-Pac had just stolen his girlfriend, Tori-not-Wilson, causing her to turn on him (hence Steph cautioning Tori in that video). I think the last time Kane was seen a couple of months prior, he just was shown being all dejected and walking out the back door of the arena with the announcers wondering what he was going to do or whatever.

Just as big a story there was Bearer though, who had not been seen for much longer prior to that.

Edit - just watched the Mankind title win again. As bad as he was, Michael Cole back then was SO much more genuine-sounding than today's version.

Overdubbing the music over the Mankind/Cactus promo took away from it. I hate when people think they can add to stuff like that by fucking with the video.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']That Kane return was stunning (injury? i don't recall his absence.)[/QUOTE]

I believe so, but the storyline was X-Pac had just stolen his girlfriend, Tori-not-Wilson, causing her to turn on him. I think the last time Kane was seen a couple of months prior, he just was shown being all dejected and walking out the back door of the arena with the announcers wondering what he was going to do or whatever.

Just as big a story there was Bearer though, who had not been seen for much longer prior to that.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot'] I think the last time Kane was seen a couple of months prior, he just was shown being all dejected and walking out the back door of the arena with the announcers wondering what he was going to do or whatever.[/QUOTE]

He had only been gone a week, two weeks at the most.
 
[quote name='Halo05']That Cactus Jack return against Triple H before their Royal Rumble match still gives me goosebumps.[/QUOTE]

Their match was legendary. Still holds up today.

But I vastly prefer the unannounced return (Cactus Jack's "WWF debut," so to speak) he had in NY against Triple H. The three identities talking to each other was well done.

I also recall a titantron promo where Foley cut a promo as his face morphed from Mankind to Dude Love to Cactus Jack, and then came out for a match. But I don't know that I saw that since it aired.
 
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