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You really think they're going to create another gimmick for Masters? Well, you can't stop someone from dreaming, I suppose.
 
[quote name='HovaEscobar']Yeah, I listened to his shoot interview. Supposedly he's been wrestling around the world and learning different styles.[/QUOTE]
It would rule so hard if Masters came back and he was now somehow some technical marvel on the Dynamite Kid level. The rasslin' internet would explode.

As far as watching, I don't. Stopped after WM23. I still read the results and don't feel like I'm missing anything. I did watch WM25 this year because friends and I wanted to see 'Taker-Michaels, but that was the first PPV I had seen on TV since WM20 (WM23 we attended in person). I'll occasionally watch a little bit of Raw once in a while but that's about it.
 
TNA is running a $7 special on ShopTNA.com right now on various DVDs and shirts. There's a few DVDs there that I might pick up to fill in the gaps in my TNA collection.
 
I think I'm going to go to the WWE Supershow this Saturday, here in Pensacola. The main event is Cena/Jeff Hardy/CM Punk vs. Orton/Edge/Chris Jericho, Kofi vs. Matt Hardy US Belt, Christian vs. Swagger ECW Title. That's all they announced for the card so far. I've been to regular house shows, but never a supershow. Anything different besides having all three brands there?
 
fuck yeah, Masters! I always liked him. Once, while stoned, I fantasy booked 2 and 1/2 years of his career.

And I still DVR Raw, ECW, Smackdown, Impact, and RoH each week. I skip nothing but commercials and recaps. I occasionally watch lucha, and I try to watch all PPVs online. I haven't been to a live show since October 2008.
 
Matt, big PWG 6th Anniversary show coming up in July. Already booked are Bryan Danielson, Paul London, Chris Hero, Roderick Strong, and Delirious with more to come. I think it's a weekend event - you should definitely make the trip out from East Bumfuck.
 
What is a good website that sell vintage WWF/WCW/ECW t-shirts?

I was on eBay looking for an nWo shirt, but they don't look authentic. They are from China, one has the logo at an angle and the other straight.


I'm looking for the n.W.o and L.W.o t-shirts. Any help appreciated.
 
As the Penguins are giving the Red Wings what-for tonight (yay!), Tyler Kennedy just scored the Pens' fourth goal.

As the crowd settled down, I heard "MISTARRRRRRRRRRRRR KEN-NUH-DEE!" blared over the loudspeaker.

Heh. timely, I suppose.
 
So i finished my magazine cover, is it at all professional? Having seen it, based on the cover, would you ever buy it ( assuming this is some alternate reality with no internet yet still current promotions )?

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There used to be videos of Goldberg winning the WCW World Heavyweight Title on Nitro on youtube. WWE took those down, but left all other videos of the match that particularly don't contain the last 2 or 3 minutes. This HAS to be the work of McMahon.
 
I told you all years ago when Masters was released that he'd be brought back eventually, after all this steroid hoopla died down along with that death of that wrestler whose name I can never seem to remember... hmm must've been a figment of my imagination.

Ho, ho, ho, I'm Vince McMahon dammit!
 
I was perfectly fine with seeing Funaki here and there as "Smackdown's #1 Annoucer," but I know I wasn't the only one #-oing when they changed his gimmick.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Matt, big PWG 6th Anniversary show coming up in July. Already booked are Bryan Danielson, Paul London, Chris Hero, Roderick Strong, and Delirious with more to come. I think it's a weekend event - you should definitely make the trip out from East Bumfuck.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to, but again, not having a car complicates things. If I had a way back home, tehre'd be no problem since I could take the Metrolink there.

[quote name='cdeener']WTF? Kip has a child that is old enough to be in college?[/QUOTE]

Well, Kip is 45 years old. Also, I think of you every time I see Cody Deaner, and vice versa.

Kung Fu Naki hasn't even been on TV in months. And Tajiri left on his own.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I just signed up for Twitter and saw that one of the 12 "people" Samoa Joe is following, is CAG. Awesome.
 
[quote name='carbontiger']How the hell do you keep Funaki and not Tajiri?

And...did I miss something...can't be important but...MASTERS is back?![/QUOTE]

Tajiri left by choice IIRC. Funaki is a decent wrestler when they actually let him wrestle.

Tajiri is fucking awesome though.

Beer Money is a great tag team. Drinking While Investing = Brilliant!
 
IIRC, Tajiri left so that he could work less days in Japan and spend more time with his wife.

I miss the Tajiri/Regal pairing
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Oh, you're right, WWA world champ. So let me amend:
Not to be this way because it REALLY doesn't matter, but hell... first Black World Heavyweight Champ in any real sense of the word and in a federation anyone gave a fuck about, and all we get on him is the post-retirement gimmick?

:)[/QUOTE]
Actually, on October 18th, 1962, Bobo Brazil made history by becoming the first Black American to win the NWA World Heavyweight Title by defeating "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers.
 
I've pretty much kept up with all the ROH on HDNet shows. The show doesn't have anywhere near the big time feel that WWE and TNA does. If that's what you're looking for, tune out and tune in to ECW as the show is the best wrestling show on TV right now.

However, ROH TV has some pretty great matches here and there. The entire Black vs. Dragon series of matches have been astoundingly great. Their last match, which was taped last week, is said to be about as good as Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels so I'm really looking forward to that.

Overall though, the ROH Tv show is all about the main events. If the main event doesn't look too interesting, it's best not to tune in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzIqUCdL07Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJtWnoiiCX4&feature=channel_page
 
as far as WATCHING wrestling goes... I "half-watch" most WWE programming these days, meaning that I torrent the shows and then play them on the computer at work while I'm doing other stuff (or on my Xbox if I'm at home doing dishes or something). If a segment looks interesting, I'll take a little break from what I'm doing and give my full attention to it. For PPVs I'll usually sit down and pay attention to most of the matches.

This is a pretty cool way to watch, because when these shows are just helping you get through the workday, the glaring flaws in the current product become less of an issue. I couldn't see myself giving all these shows a dedicated viewing, sad to say. There's just too damn much of it (6 hours a week? Really???) and a large percentage of it feels tired/redundant/routine/etc.

I actually enjoy the PPVs but the process of getting there has become so bland, especially right now where we've got a bunch of PPVs with less than a month in between. The majority of the shows seem to not matter, and they all end with a Legacy handicap match.

I'll sound like a broken record here (in terms of the general wrestling audience), but ten years ago I would get unbelievably psyched leading up to Monday. I'd spaz out if there was a possibility of missing Raw (didn't have cable so I relied on getting to my cousin's house to watch). I know a part of that excitement just comes from being a kid, and I know that getting wrestling training in recent years has also affected how I perceive the product. But I know it's way more than JUST that. WWE has just shaped their product into something that generates money for stockholders, instead of shaping it into something that really generates excitement.

Again, I'll sound like a broken record, but here's what I think would make things more exciting:

- Less PPVs. None of this three-week bullshit, I want MONTHS of build-up. SummerSlam was called "SummerSlam" because it was the one PPV that happened in the summer. Remember when WrestleMania used to have an "intermission"? They could actually get away with that crap because they felt SO special!!! Anyway this won't happen because of the steady revenue stream blah blah blah

- Less TV time. Like, 3 hours a week tops. You can even keep the brand split and just give 1 hour shows to each brand. Right now ECW manages its time quite well. Personally I'd prefer a two-hour Raw and a jobber hour for the weekend. The wrestling week should revolve around one special night... I miss that sense of anticipation!

- Mix up the venues. There would be more value to the "brands" if the shows actually looked different. Ever since the brand split began, they had a great excuse to make one show the "arena" brand and have the other one do the theater/club type venues. Instead they just do all arenas all the time - and now they even use the same exact set for every show!!! That's a bad move when you're product is overexposed enough as it is.

- More interactions between different "classes" of wrestlers. We don't need a Taka vs HHH title match every week, but it's always fun when wrestlers stray from their usual card positions, even if it's just for a skit or promo. I remember a Raw from a long time ago where it started with an Oddities promo for no particular reason - yeah I know it's just the freakin Oddities, but honestly I think off the wall shit like that can make a show feel fresh. To be fair, this DOES happen sometimes these days - but not enough, if you ask me!

- a more open feel to the shows. Right now it feels like you kind of know exactly where and when a wrestler is gonna be on the show. They've got a purpose and a PPV feud to sell, they do their segment, then you know they're done for the night. Now a show needs to have some rhyme and reason to it, granted, but you don't want to settle into such predictable "segments" either. I remember sometime within the last couple of years where Kane was just randomly showing up and attacking people throughout the show. I forget which aborted Kane angle that happened during, but it stuck out to me because it went beyond the segmented feel that Raw usually had.


okay wow that went on way longer than I meant it to but I just felt like ranting... carry on!
 
While I agree with much of your assessment of what needs to be done, the simple fact (for most, but not all, of your points) is that each of them is a positive revenue stream for WWE. Until that changes, I don't feel that the format of PPV-rush-PPV-rush-PPV-rush will ever cease or alter.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']While I agree with much of your assessment of what needs to be done, the simple fact (for most, but not all, of your points) is that each of them is a positive revenue stream for WWE. Until that changes, I don't feel that the format of PPV-rush-PPV-rush-PPV-rush will ever cease or alter.[/QUOTE]Yeeeah, exactly. Stockholders/revenue streams are the priority now. That directly influences the unfortunate PPV/TV schedule, and I think it also manages to infect less obvious things like the overall structure/format of the shows and even the booking. Everything becomes safe.

The whole stock market thing makes it exponentially worse, because even if they felt like being bold and doing something that might cost them some revenue in the short term (like, say, doing some TV tapings from a small venue - and thus, selling less tickets/merch per show), they've still got the shareholders to please. So the idea ends up jobbing to the status quo. :whistle2:(


I will point out a positive development in recent years though. Say what you will about HHH or whoever, but today's top faces will job WAY more than the top stars of old. Bret Hart is one of my top 3 favorites of all time, but I can only think of two times he ever actually lost clean (both were to family members). I'm not sure how much of that was Bret and how much was just the WWF being overprotective in how they booked the top stars, but it's worth noting.

Meanwhile, John Cena is certainly the most "protected" star of the current era, but off the top of my head I can recall several clean losses that he's had (Big Show, HHH, Batista, even JBL technically). This is a good thing overall, but unfortunately a lot of this good is undone by all the overexposure. The "big" matchups get exhausted too quickly, so any time we get some good booking it is lost in the shuffle and quickly forgotten (amidst the push for another too-soon PPV).
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Well, Kip is 45 years old. Also, I think of you every time I see Cody Deaner, and vice versa.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I just signed up for Twitter and saw that one of the 12 "people" Samoa Joe is following, is CAG. Awesome.[/QUOTE]

Damn, I didn't know Kip was that old. Yeah, I figured that somebody was going to do that one day when it came to Cody Deaner especially since we have the same intials and that's about all we have in common.

That is funny about Joe though to know that the Nation of Violence is a admirer of CAG.

Since, I missed the rest of Impact who did they have wrestle Jesse Neal for his debut?
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Yeeeah, exactly. Stockholders/revenue streams are the priority now. That directly influences the unfortunate PPV/TV schedule, and I think it also manages to infect less obvious things like the overall structure/format of the shows and even the booking. Everything becomes safe.

The whole stock market thing makes it exponentially worse, because even if they felt like being bold and doing something that might cost them some revenue in the short term (like, say, doing some TV tapings from a small venue - and thus, selling less tickets/merch per show), they've still got the shareholders to please. So the idea ends up jobbing to the status quo. :whistle2:(


I will point out a positive development in recent years though. Say what you will about HHH or whoever, but today's top faces will job WAY more than the top stars of old. Bret Hart is one of my top 3 favorites of all time, but I can only think of two times he ever actually lost clean (both were to family members). I'm not sure how much of that was Bret and how much was just the WWF being overprotective in how they booked the top stars, but it's worth noting.

Meanwhile, John Cena is certainly the most "protected" star of the current era, but off the top of my head I can recall several clean losses that he's had (Big Show, HHH, Batista, even JBL technically). This is a good thing overall, but unfortunately a lot of this good is undone by all the overexposure. The "big" matchups get exhausted too quickly, so any time we get some good booking it is lost in the shuffle and quickly forgotten (amidst the push for another too-soon PPV).[/QUOTE]

The current Smackdown roster is FILLED with fresh faces. The only real veterans on the brand are Edge, Rey Mysterio, Jericho, and The Undertaker and this change move has really invigorated my interest in the brand. Where day in and day out, I know I won't be missing much with Randy Orton on top on Raw, Smackdown is brimming with talent and I think by the end of the year, C.M. Punk is going to be the top face on the brand. I'm actually excited to see how this turns out and my interest hasn't been this high in the show since Angle and Lesnar were at each other's throats.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']my interest hasn't been this high in the show since Angle and Lesnar were at each other's throats.[/QUOTE]
And lips!

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[quote name='mykevermin']Who is Jesse Neal?[/QUOTE]

That Navy guy with the dumbass haircut who Rhino's training, because it was Neal's dream supposedly to become a wrestler- him and his buddy who was KIA.

Predictably, after 2-3 months of training, he sucked ass. He was squashed by Matt Morgan, getting in maybe 4 offensive moves, 2 or 3 of which were punches.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']That Navy guy with the dumbass haircut who Rhino's training, because it was Neal's dream supposedly to become a wrestler- him and his buddy who was KIA.

Predictably, after 2-3 months of training, he sucked ass. He was squashed by Matt Morgan, getting in maybe 4 offensive moves, 2 or 3 of which were punches.[/QUOTE]

Well, that sucks for him.

I wonder how they are going to play out the Shane Douglas "I want a second shot, too!!!" angle? From what I saw toward the end of the last thread it looks like they are going to have him in a match with AJ soon. I hope he will try to get the Legends belt from AJ which makes sense because of his long time in wrestling plus his time in the early years of TNA.
 
I didn't see game 4 due to watching the Lakers game, but I thought of Mr. Kennedy every time the announcers mentioned Tyler Kennedy during games 1-3.
 
Damn, I'm watching the best of IC Championship and why did I just see a group of people in the crowd have a set of signs that said "Suck It" with S sign spins around and on the other side is an F to spell "fuck it". You got to love Attitude Era WWE. This was just before the Rock vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley match.
 
Just watched the beginning of this week's Impact.

A standard tag match - 4 guys.

Opening match on a 2-hour show.

By the end, involves no fewer than 12 wrestlers, 2 run-ins, and 3-4 storylines.

And am I the only one who hates the use of the name "Suicide," let alone the "point a gun to my head" gesture he does? There's something about a crowd of people cheering and holding up signs that say "GO SUICIDE!" that make me cringe as well. It's not like he has to take on a totally useless name, like "Brunch," "The Tortoise," or "Fred Wilson." But what's the story or purpose of using the name "Suicide"?

I have a sneaking suspicion it's one of those things that is just controversial for its own sake; a typical Russo creation.

And boy howdy, could they have hand picked a single worse wrestler to play their mimeographed Great Muta? Kiyoshi stinks worse than my flatulence after a night of heavy drinking.

All the bitching aside, I'm at least *watching* TNA, which is more than I can say for WWE right now. And I did mostly enjoy Daffney's promo. Only about a half hour in.

...and, FFS, did I just witness a Kip James segment that actually drew me in? The idea of him begging for work seems so plausible, so right...and motherfucker, actually makes me want to root for the guy. Enough, at any rate.
 
I made it through 12 minutes of TNA before Douglas mentioned " politics". I just cut it off.

Then, I decided to give it a chance, continued to watch it, and more meta-show stuff is going on. Why do they keep doing this?
 
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