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Miz might be one of the better heels in the WWE, but he totally looks like a CAW some kid would come up with randomly. Right down to the super generic shirt.
Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?
We know that wrestling has hit damn near rock bottom, with no sign in sight of getting better, so why continue watching? Me personally, I'd say I'll always have hope that they'll "see the light" and things will return back to the golden era of 2000. Not to mention that there's always a nugget of goodness hidden deep within all the shit. In the case of Raw, while all the faces suck some serious ass, I totally dig the heels, especially Regal & Orton.
Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?
We know that wrestling has hit damn near rock bottom, with no sign in sight of getting better, so why continue watching? Me personally, I'd say I'll always have hope that they'll "see the light" and things will return back to the golden era of 2000. Not to mention that there's always a nugget of goodness hidden deep within all the shit. In the case of Raw, while all the faces suck some serious ass, I totally dig the heels, especially Regal & Orton.
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[quote name='Mr. Beef']There are apparently a lot of reasons why Kennedy got released, some of which involve Vince. =/
From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter (thanks, Neogaf)
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Thanks for posting that. Interesting read.
From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter (thanks, Neogaf)
Ken Anderson (aka Ken Holmes, and best known as Mr. Kennedy), 33, was fired by WWE on 5/29, just four days after his return from shoulder surgery in the ten-man tag team main event on Raw.
The decision was obviously not something planned out in advance, since Kennedy was being heavily advertised on the USA Network this week as “returning” for the 6/1 Raw show from Birmingham, plus, on his TV return, he had a face-to-face confrontation with Randy Orton that seemed to be building an upcoming title program. He was also coming off being the guy a WWE film, “Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia,” was promoted around. The whole idea of WWE films is to both make money, of course, by trying to get the wrestling audience to get the DVDs. But it’s also, when using a non-established superstar in the lead, the idea is the movie will increase the star power of wrestlers the company is looking at as long-term future headliners. After the ten-man on Raw ended, Orton went to Kennedy backstage, not very happy and told him in direct, adamant but not loud terms, to be more careful. Kennedy, in doing a back suplex, dropped Orton on his surgically repaired shoulder. There wasn’t a big blow-up or anything like that but everyone knew Orton wasn’t happy about it. Orton did momentarily lose it in the ring after taking the move, as he started punching the mat in frustration before rolling out of the ring. Orton and Kennedy have been very good friends in the past and often hung out together on the road. There were people after who congratulated Orton on not losing his cool on how he handled it.
Orton wasn’t seriously injured and worked a short dark cage match the next night with Batista, and then worked on top during the Mexico tour, although Show was carrying the action in the tag matches over the weekend. Orton was icing his shoulder after the match and Orton’s injury was considered more serious than Kennedy’s. He complained of a stiff neck at television the next day and was still icing his shoulder and getting massage therapy, and made comments about Kennedy being a careless worker but it was not any kind of a major piece of conversation at the Smackdown show.
Four days later, John Laurinaitis gave Kennedy the phone call, basically saying the boss (Vince) made the call, being nice about it and saying that hopefully in the future they could do business again.
Virtually everyone outside the inner circle was shocked, as wrestlers who found out about it after WWE put it in almost a hidden spot on its web site, were doing double-takes like it was nothing they expected. Those on the road didn’t even believe it at first. There was an assumption among many that Orton went to Vince and pushed the issue, but nobody seems to know if that is really the case. Even though there are star wrestlers who have been critical of performers that have gotten their pushes stopped fairly often, nobody can recall a situation where a star has gotten anyone directly fired since Kevin Nash got Nelson Frazier (Mabel/Big Daddy V/Viscera) fired in 1995. At the time, Nash was WWF champion and Frazier injured his ribs with a splash, coming off Frazier breaking Undertaker’s orbital bone, giving him the reputation of not being safe enough in the ring to risk top talent on. But this is not that case, as Vince was frequently on Kennedy’s case, and was unhappy with his promo earlier in the show, and the unhappy again when he dropped wrong, and it wasn’t Vince’s best week to begin with.
Kennedy posted a video on his web page shaking around his hands and fingers to show that his wrist was healthy over the weekend, and on his web page it was posted that he was 100% healthy and was optimistic about his future in the business.
It was considered to be a done issue between the two once TV was over. However, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back in Vince McMahon’s mind. On the flight back from Los Angeles after Smackdown, Vince cut a promo on him to the inner circle. He said Kennedy was a reckless worker and said he was green as a mechanic and green when it comes to business instincts. The office was upset with Kennedy about the last interview he did in the U.K. where they felt he espoused pro-steroids views when he said he didn’t see why it would be anyone’s business if he wanted to take them and appeared to not be happy about the company’s program, after previously publicly coming out as a strong advocate of the program. At one point he stated that it was the program that got him to quit using steroids, although it later came out he was still using them long after the program had been implemented.
It wasn’t so much that people agree or disagree, but it’s not something that the company wants any of its wrestlers saying. Kennedy already made himself look like a complete fool by first denying using steroids, then admitting using until the drug policy came into effect, and then his name came up in shipments well into 2007 of steroids and GH.
He later said he used them through a doctor because in getting off them he felt like #@^%$#, and blamed the doctor for going to an Internet pharmacy and that’s how his name became implicated, which didn’t seem to make much sense, either.
Austin was a big backer of his, but Austin is pretty much out of the company at this point.
McMahon’s promo was generally about what a business liability he had become. Nobody spoke up in his defense, and it probably wouldn’t have been the time to do so. There was also a feeling that they had given him plenty of opportunities to be a superstar, including the run in late 2006 when he did the gimmick of having beaten a number of world champions. He was also scheduled to win the Smackdown world title in May, 2007 from Undertaker, but suffered a triceps injury the week he was supposed to get the title (since Undertaker had been injured and was about to take time off). It was that injury, which was thought of as being a tear and needing surgery, that led to them having to take the Money in the Bank from him and switch Edge to Smackdown to win the title. It ended up being a bruised triceps, which, had they known it at the time, things would have ended up differently. The feeling was he wasn’t over like a superstar. He had injuries at the wrong time, and he blew the angle with being Vince’s illegitimate son by getting suspended for 30 days when the information on the steroid shipments became public, right before the angle was about to conclude.
There was also heat for a promo he did last year that caused a lot of drama (it was edited heavily before it appeared on television). The reports were he was frustrating for creative to work with because whenever they started to push him, you could bet that somehow something would go wrong and he’d get hurt.
“He was always adding to his heat,” said one former member of creative. “The injuries. Failing in Vince’s eyes when they were going to make him Vince’s son. Vince feeling he was too silly and such. The steroid stuff. It all added up to this being his last shot. I am not sure what happened this week, but from experience, when a talent continually adds to their heat, it is like a snowball rolling downhill.”
Vince had been critical of Kennedy, thinking he would speak too loud, then that people were finding his promos too entertaining when he was a heel, and then didn’t like that he came across too smug and not smiling enough as a face.
You never say never, but the reaction to the speech was that he may never get another chance with the company because it was described as a “kiss of death” promo.
He had both his supporters among the names in the company and those who were not high on him.
A lot of the better workers in the company were not high on him and didn’t like working with him. It was not personal heat but a lack of respect because they saw him as an average talent who was all smoke and mirrors because of his catch phrase. My impression is the guy, as much as he seemed to have a propensity for making himself look like a fool outside the ring, had very strong charisma and a good gimmick. A couple of top guys, Orton not being one of them, were believed to have gone to Vince bad mouthing Kennedy. At least four of the company’s best wrestlers did not like working with him, three of whom were on the Raw brand he had just been drafted to.
Matt Hardy on his Myspace page said Kennedy was one of his best friends in the company and hated to hear the news he was gone, and others have corroborated that he was popular with a lot of the wrestlers.
Kennedy is one of those guys who was signed to developmental and probably would have never made it without Paul Heyman. Jim Cornette had just started to use him, more underneath, when Cornette was fired.
Heyman pushed him doing the “Anderson. Anderson” gimmick because he found out he used to do the p.a. for his high school basketball and they played off that. Dusty Rhodes and Court Bauer saw him on the OVW TV doing the gimmick and liked it.
Robert Karpelis, who lasted all of two weeks on the writing team and was someone whose name wouldn’t even be known, came up with the idea of the ceiling mic for him, since announcing the last name twice was done by a lot of the older boxing and wrestling ring announcers up through the 70s. Karpelis was watching a tape of an old 70s house show when Superstar Graham was champion and saw the mic from the ceiling and that’s where the gimmick came from.
I think it was tough for Kennedy on the steroid front because he had a bodybuilder type mentality, being a personal trainer before being signed by WWE. He had marginal physical genetics at best and he looked good with help, but wasn’t physically impressive, or particularly big, without help. But he had a star look and carried himself like he was someone, which is a very underrated piece of the puzzle.
My impression was from his return that people may have lost interest in him because all the start and stops are a killer to momentum. Then again, that Los Angeles crowd was hard to judge by due to the nature of the show, plus he was put in as a mystery partner, it was announced midway through the show instead of being a mystery, and when people were hoping for Flair or HHH in the spot, he was a letdown.
It is believed TNA has an interest in him, but in his case, the situation would be that TNA would likely want him to sign a three-year deal. If Kennedy’s goal is to get back in WWE, and many have speculated his firing was simply being the wrong week to have a bad match when Vince was all stressed out, then he may want to lay low for some time and wait for things to blow over and be brought back. Actually his best bet to get back to WWE would be to lay low for about six months, then publicly start negotiating with TNA, as WWE would be more likely to bring him back (that’s how they brought back Jamie Noble, as Noble was in talks with TNA and WWE was well aware). In addition, WWE’s future when it comes to talent is that there will be injuries in the future, and that most likely over the next three years there will be more quality wrestlers getting old or hurt than the number of replacements at that level that are being created.
One person close to Kennedy noted that he’s looking forward to going to TNA in September (after his 90-day non-compete period ends), that he has a lot of confidence and believes he can be a real top guy, but believes Vince McMahon doesn’t see him at that level. His goal is he believes if he goes to TNA, he can be that top guy, thinking they will allow him to be the character he thinks he can be without constantly trying to get him to change. Like everyone, if he does go to TNA, he’ll get the big initial pop. Most likely they’ll let him be the character he wants to be. People use the comparison with Christian as someone who was used for his last six months in WWE as a job guy, went to TNA, got the big push as a former WWE star including a title run and an undefeated streak, never clicked as a draw in TNA (in fairness, aside from brief periods in the Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe feud and perhaps the arrivals of Sting and Foley, all far bigger stars than Kennedy or Christian, nobody has), and is still not a “top” guy in WWE, but is at a significantly higher level than when he left.
credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The decision was obviously not something planned out in advance, since Kennedy was being heavily advertised on the USA Network this week as “returning” for the 6/1 Raw show from Birmingham, plus, on his TV return, he had a face-to-face confrontation with Randy Orton that seemed to be building an upcoming title program. He was also coming off being the guy a WWE film, “Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia,” was promoted around. The whole idea of WWE films is to both make money, of course, by trying to get the wrestling audience to get the DVDs. But it’s also, when using a non-established superstar in the lead, the idea is the movie will increase the star power of wrestlers the company is looking at as long-term future headliners. After the ten-man on Raw ended, Orton went to Kennedy backstage, not very happy and told him in direct, adamant but not loud terms, to be more careful. Kennedy, in doing a back suplex, dropped Orton on his surgically repaired shoulder. There wasn’t a big blow-up or anything like that but everyone knew Orton wasn’t happy about it. Orton did momentarily lose it in the ring after taking the move, as he started punching the mat in frustration before rolling out of the ring. Orton and Kennedy have been very good friends in the past and often hung out together on the road. There were people after who congratulated Orton on not losing his cool on how he handled it.
Orton wasn’t seriously injured and worked a short dark cage match the next night with Batista, and then worked on top during the Mexico tour, although Show was carrying the action in the tag matches over the weekend. Orton was icing his shoulder after the match and Orton’s injury was considered more serious than Kennedy’s. He complained of a stiff neck at television the next day and was still icing his shoulder and getting massage therapy, and made comments about Kennedy being a careless worker but it was not any kind of a major piece of conversation at the Smackdown show.
Four days later, John Laurinaitis gave Kennedy the phone call, basically saying the boss (Vince) made the call, being nice about it and saying that hopefully in the future they could do business again.
Virtually everyone outside the inner circle was shocked, as wrestlers who found out about it after WWE put it in almost a hidden spot on its web site, were doing double-takes like it was nothing they expected. Those on the road didn’t even believe it at first. There was an assumption among many that Orton went to Vince and pushed the issue, but nobody seems to know if that is really the case. Even though there are star wrestlers who have been critical of performers that have gotten their pushes stopped fairly often, nobody can recall a situation where a star has gotten anyone directly fired since Kevin Nash got Nelson Frazier (Mabel/Big Daddy V/Viscera) fired in 1995. At the time, Nash was WWF champion and Frazier injured his ribs with a splash, coming off Frazier breaking Undertaker’s orbital bone, giving him the reputation of not being safe enough in the ring to risk top talent on. But this is not that case, as Vince was frequently on Kennedy’s case, and was unhappy with his promo earlier in the show, and the unhappy again when he dropped wrong, and it wasn’t Vince’s best week to begin with.
Kennedy posted a video on his web page shaking around his hands and fingers to show that his wrist was healthy over the weekend, and on his web page it was posted that he was 100% healthy and was optimistic about his future in the business.
It was considered to be a done issue between the two once TV was over. However, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back in Vince McMahon’s mind. On the flight back from Los Angeles after Smackdown, Vince cut a promo on him to the inner circle. He said Kennedy was a reckless worker and said he was green as a mechanic and green when it comes to business instincts. The office was upset with Kennedy about the last interview he did in the U.K. where they felt he espoused pro-steroids views when he said he didn’t see why it would be anyone’s business if he wanted to take them and appeared to not be happy about the company’s program, after previously publicly coming out as a strong advocate of the program. At one point he stated that it was the program that got him to quit using steroids, although it later came out he was still using them long after the program had been implemented.
It wasn’t so much that people agree or disagree, but it’s not something that the company wants any of its wrestlers saying. Kennedy already made himself look like a complete fool by first denying using steroids, then admitting using until the drug policy came into effect, and then his name came up in shipments well into 2007 of steroids and GH.
He later said he used them through a doctor because in getting off them he felt like #@^%$#, and blamed the doctor for going to an Internet pharmacy and that’s how his name became implicated, which didn’t seem to make much sense, either.
Austin was a big backer of his, but Austin is pretty much out of the company at this point.
McMahon’s promo was generally about what a business liability he had become. Nobody spoke up in his defense, and it probably wouldn’t have been the time to do so. There was also a feeling that they had given him plenty of opportunities to be a superstar, including the run in late 2006 when he did the gimmick of having beaten a number of world champions. He was also scheduled to win the Smackdown world title in May, 2007 from Undertaker, but suffered a triceps injury the week he was supposed to get the title (since Undertaker had been injured and was about to take time off). It was that injury, which was thought of as being a tear and needing surgery, that led to them having to take the Money in the Bank from him and switch Edge to Smackdown to win the title. It ended up being a bruised triceps, which, had they known it at the time, things would have ended up differently. The feeling was he wasn’t over like a superstar. He had injuries at the wrong time, and he blew the angle with being Vince’s illegitimate son by getting suspended for 30 days when the information on the steroid shipments became public, right before the angle was about to conclude.
There was also heat for a promo he did last year that caused a lot of drama (it was edited heavily before it appeared on television). The reports were he was frustrating for creative to work with because whenever they started to push him, you could bet that somehow something would go wrong and he’d get hurt.
“He was always adding to his heat,” said one former member of creative. “The injuries. Failing in Vince’s eyes when they were going to make him Vince’s son. Vince feeling he was too silly and such. The steroid stuff. It all added up to this being his last shot. I am not sure what happened this week, but from experience, when a talent continually adds to their heat, it is like a snowball rolling downhill.”
Vince had been critical of Kennedy, thinking he would speak too loud, then that people were finding his promos too entertaining when he was a heel, and then didn’t like that he came across too smug and not smiling enough as a face.
You never say never, but the reaction to the speech was that he may never get another chance with the company because it was described as a “kiss of death” promo.
He had both his supporters among the names in the company and those who were not high on him.
A lot of the better workers in the company were not high on him and didn’t like working with him. It was not personal heat but a lack of respect because they saw him as an average talent who was all smoke and mirrors because of his catch phrase. My impression is the guy, as much as he seemed to have a propensity for making himself look like a fool outside the ring, had very strong charisma and a good gimmick. A couple of top guys, Orton not being one of them, were believed to have gone to Vince bad mouthing Kennedy. At least four of the company’s best wrestlers did not like working with him, three of whom were on the Raw brand he had just been drafted to.
Matt Hardy on his Myspace page said Kennedy was one of his best friends in the company and hated to hear the news he was gone, and others have corroborated that he was popular with a lot of the wrestlers.
Kennedy is one of those guys who was signed to developmental and probably would have never made it without Paul Heyman. Jim Cornette had just started to use him, more underneath, when Cornette was fired.
Heyman pushed him doing the “Anderson. Anderson” gimmick because he found out he used to do the p.a. for his high school basketball and they played off that. Dusty Rhodes and Court Bauer saw him on the OVW TV doing the gimmick and liked it.
Robert Karpelis, who lasted all of two weeks on the writing team and was someone whose name wouldn’t even be known, came up with the idea of the ceiling mic for him, since announcing the last name twice was done by a lot of the older boxing and wrestling ring announcers up through the 70s. Karpelis was watching a tape of an old 70s house show when Superstar Graham was champion and saw the mic from the ceiling and that’s where the gimmick came from.
I think it was tough for Kennedy on the steroid front because he had a bodybuilder type mentality, being a personal trainer before being signed by WWE. He had marginal physical genetics at best and he looked good with help, but wasn’t physically impressive, or particularly big, without help. But he had a star look and carried himself like he was someone, which is a very underrated piece of the puzzle.
My impression was from his return that people may have lost interest in him because all the start and stops are a killer to momentum. Then again, that Los Angeles crowd was hard to judge by due to the nature of the show, plus he was put in as a mystery partner, it was announced midway through the show instead of being a mystery, and when people were hoping for Flair or HHH in the spot, he was a letdown.
It is believed TNA has an interest in him, but in his case, the situation would be that TNA would likely want him to sign a three-year deal. If Kennedy’s goal is to get back in WWE, and many have speculated his firing was simply being the wrong week to have a bad match when Vince was all stressed out, then he may want to lay low for some time and wait for things to blow over and be brought back. Actually his best bet to get back to WWE would be to lay low for about six months, then publicly start negotiating with TNA, as WWE would be more likely to bring him back (that’s how they brought back Jamie Noble, as Noble was in talks with TNA and WWE was well aware). In addition, WWE’s future when it comes to talent is that there will be injuries in the future, and that most likely over the next three years there will be more quality wrestlers getting old or hurt than the number of replacements at that level that are being created.
One person close to Kennedy noted that he’s looking forward to going to TNA in September (after his 90-day non-compete period ends), that he has a lot of confidence and believes he can be a real top guy, but believes Vince McMahon doesn’t see him at that level. His goal is he believes if he goes to TNA, he can be that top guy, thinking they will allow him to be the character he thinks he can be without constantly trying to get him to change. Like everyone, if he does go to TNA, he’ll get the big initial pop. Most likely they’ll let him be the character he wants to be. People use the comparison with Christian as someone who was used for his last six months in WWE as a job guy, went to TNA, got the big push as a former WWE star including a title run and an undefeated streak, never clicked as a draw in TNA (in fairness, aside from brief periods in the Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe feud and perhaps the arrivals of Sting and Foley, all far bigger stars than Kennedy or Christian, nobody has), and is still not a “top” guy in WWE, but is at a significantly higher level than when he left.
credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Thanks for posting that. Interesting read.
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[quote name='-Never4ever-']Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?[/QUOTE]
Three reasons:
1) Force of habit. In my case, I've been watching wrestling on Mondays since Ronald
ing Reagan was in office. As a point of reference.
2) Charlie Brown syndrome. We expect to be able to "kick the football" every week. We're naive enough to think that the programming will suddenly change, spontaneously reflecting both a change in taste/class and writing coherence/believability. Moreover, wrestling matches will actually happen on the air. Needless to say, at the end of every Monday, we're stunned that Lucy yanked out the football from us at the last moment, like she did every week before that.
3) Addicted to the pop. Someone returns. A title changes. A high spot. We don't want to see it on replay, we want to see it live. It may only come once in a blue moon anymore, but that's often enough, right? It's better to sit to 104 hours of the Monday Night Raw shitshow for a year for one moment to mark out over than to be productive with our lives and miss it.
Those are the reasons I'd been watching for so many years when I hated every minute of it. Trust me, I had the time to be introspective about it, because I sure as shit wasn't enjoying the programs.
Three reasons:
1) Force of habit. In my case, I've been watching wrestling on Mondays since Ronald
ing Reagan was in office. As a point of reference.2) Charlie Brown syndrome. We expect to be able to "kick the football" every week. We're naive enough to think that the programming will suddenly change, spontaneously reflecting both a change in taste/class and writing coherence/believability. Moreover, wrestling matches will actually happen on the air. Needless to say, at the end of every Monday, we're stunned that Lucy yanked out the football from us at the last moment, like she did every week before that.
3) Addicted to the pop. Someone returns. A title changes. A high spot. We don't want to see it on replay, we want to see it live. It may only come once in a blue moon anymore, but that's often enough, right? It's better to sit to 104 hours of the Monday Night Raw shitshow for a year for one moment to mark out over than to be productive with our lives and miss it.
Those are the reasons I'd been watching for so many years when I hated every minute of it. Trust me, I had the time to be introspective about it, because I sure as shit wasn't enjoying the programs.
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[quote name='-Never4ever-']
Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?
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Because I want to be there when it suddenly gets good. I wonder how guys felt who were busy watching Nitro when the nWo was going every week and at the same time could've been watching STONE COLD.
Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?
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Because I want to be there when it suddenly gets good. I wonder how guys felt who were busy watching Nitro when the nWo was going every week and at the same time could've been watching STONE COLD.
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As seen tonight on Raw, Vickie Guerrero announced she was resigning as the General Manager of Raw.
She is indeed being written off of television as she recently handed in her notice to the company in order to spend more time with her daughters.
It is not 100% certain that tonight was her swan song with the company as there is still a possibility she may appear at tomorrow night's SmackDown taping. Whatever the case may be, she's through with WWE.
This made my day, and I just woke up. I can'ting stand her and her shrill voice and annoying catchphrase.
As seen tonight on Raw, Vickie Guerrero announced she was resigning as the General Manager of Raw.
She is indeed being written off of television as she recently handed in her notice to the company in order to spend more time with her daughters.
It is not 100% certain that tonight was her swan song with the company as there is still a possibility she may appear at tomorrow night's SmackDown taping. Whatever the case may be, she's through with WWE.
This made my day, and I just woke up. I can't
ing stand her and her shrill voice and annoying catchphrase.HovaEscobar
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTDH2tWdt5c&feature=PlayList&p=D2D3FD1AB4D74A5A&index=0
fast forward to 4:20, I sure do wonder who wrote Vicky's character. By the way, this totally isn't copyrighted material.
fast forward to 4:20, I sure do wonder who wrote Vicky's character. By the way, this totally isn't copyrighted material.
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So the new question will have to be asked....
WHO IS THE NEW GM FOR RAW??!??!
WHO IS THE NEW GM FOR RAW??!??!
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[quote name='-Never4ever-']Miz might be one of the better heels in the WWE, but he totally looks like a CAW some kid would come up with randomly. Right down to the super generic shirt.
Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?
We know that wrestling has hit damn near rock bottom, with no sign in sight of getting better, so why continue watching? Me personally, I'd say I'll always have hope that they'll "see the light" and things will return back to the golden era of 2000. Not to mention that there's always a nugget of goodness hidden deep within all the shit. In the case of Raw, while all the faces suck some serious ass, I totally dig the heels, especially Regal & Orton.[/QUOTE]
honestly, there ain't nothing else to watch on mondays.....sans football season
Random question to all the thread regulars: Why do you still watch WWE?
We know that wrestling has hit damn near rock bottom, with no sign in sight of getting better, so why continue watching? Me personally, I'd say I'll always have hope that they'll "see the light" and things will return back to the golden era of 2000. Not to mention that there's always a nugget of goodness hidden deep within all the shit. In the case of Raw, while all the faces suck some serious ass, I totally dig the heels, especially Regal & Orton.[/QUOTE]
honestly, there ain't nothing else to watch on mondays.....sans football season
[quote name='HovaEscobar']Because I want to be there when it suddenly gets good. I wonder how guys felt who were busy watching Nitro when the nWo was going every week and at the same time could've been watching STONE COLD.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I didn't miss either because I would actually watch both instead of picking sides. When, one was showing something I didn't care for I start watching more of the other.
Well, I knew Vickie was going to leave eventually. I enjoyed her every once in a while but the question now is how much longer will Chavo be in WWE after she's gone? I like Chavo as a wrestler but they have missed used him so much its sad.
Actually, I didn't miss either because I would actually watch both instead of picking sides. When, one was showing something I didn't care for I start watching more of the other.
Well, I knew Vickie was going to leave eventually. I enjoyed her every once in a while but the question now is how much longer will Chavo be in WWE after she's gone? I like Chavo as a wrestler but they have missed used him so much its sad.
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I remember some kid told me to watch Nitro, he was big on Sting and WCW . I watched to it for a few seconds and saw what I think I remember as Buff Bagwell in the ring. I turned and never looked back. I kinda feel bad. I would also chokeslam this kid, give him tombstone piledrivers, etc. We would also give eachother the stunner and do the worm. I never understood why when they pulled on the neck for the stunner the guy didn't go down. Luckily NOW I realize that wrestling is fake and luckily THEN I didn't have the coordination to pull of any of those moves good enough to hurt anybody.
I wouldn't say "choosing the NWO over Stone Cold" was a poor viewing decision. Both were worth watching. The NWO stuff doesn't hold up as well over time and it definitely fizzled as more years passed, but at the time it was just as exciting as anything going on.
, I miss having the two shows going on head-to-head. If Raw sucked you can flip over and watch a Mysterio - Malenko match or watch another ex-WWF guy show up (which at the time was still exciting). If Nitro sucked you can flip over and watch 'Taker and Mankind or Bret and Austin beating the shit out of each other.
Off to buy the Savage DVD on my lunch break.
, I miss having the two shows going on head-to-head. If Raw sucked you can flip over and watch a Mysterio - Malenko match or watch another ex-WWF guy show up (which at the time was still exciting). If Nitro sucked you can flip over and watch 'Taker and Mankind or Bret and Austin beating the shit out of each other.Off to buy the Savage DVD on my lunch break.
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what else is there to watch on mondays? I don't care for MNF anymore. Nothing on network tv to make make change the channel. I do watch Heroes, but I hate when they take 3 or 4 week breaks. So I wait for the whole season to come out on dvd so my wife & I can watch it together uninterrupted.
While I don't watch it 100% every monday, I do change the channel from time to time just to see whats going on when I am not watching the whole show.
While I don't watch it 100% every monday, I do change the channel from time to time just to see whats going on when I am not watching the whole show.
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[quote name='KaneRobot']I wouldn't say "choosing the NWO over Stone Cold" was a poor viewing decision. Both were worth watching. The NWO stuff doesn't hold up as well over time and it definitely fizzled as more years passed, but at the time it was just as exciting as anything going on.
, I miss having the two shows going on head-to-head. If Raw sucked you can flip over and watch a Mysterio - Malenko match or watch another ex-WWF guy show up (which at the time was still exciting). If Nitro sucked you can flip over and watch 'Taker and Mankind or Bret and Austin beating the shit out of each other.
Off to buy the Savage DVD on my lunch break.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was crazy seeing some wrestler who was just on RAW a week earlier, or better yet, a ppv the night before show up on Nitro spewing vile about the WWF. Now with the 90 day clauses, I don't guess we'll be seeing that anymore.
, I miss having the two shows going on head-to-head. If Raw sucked you can flip over and watch a Mysterio - Malenko match or watch another ex-WWF guy show up (which at the time was still exciting). If Nitro sucked you can flip over and watch 'Taker and Mankind or Bret and Austin beating the shit out of each other.Off to buy the Savage DVD on my lunch break.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was crazy seeing some wrestler who was just on RAW a week earlier, or better yet, a ppv the night before show up on Nitro spewing vile about the WWF. Now with the 90 day clauses, I don't guess we'll be seeing that anymore.
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[quote name='darkdaze73']what else is there to watch on mondays?[/QUOTE]
Weeds? Season 5 just started last night.
Weeds? Season 5 just started last night.
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The new GM of Raw is rumored to be
Ric Flair
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Why do we need a new GM? We've had one for years, and to me, it just makes the show more predictable. One guy comes out at the top of the night and says something, his rival interrupts him. GM comes out and says that there's a match tonight between the two.
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The GM as a concept needs to ing die.
It's like a turd-wrapped deus ex machina. And I think that's a generous description of what they are, actually.
ing die.It's like a turd-wrapped deus ex machina. And I think that's a generous description of what they are, actually.
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Any good deals on the Macho Man DVD?
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[quote name='bornrunnin31']Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but the Macho Man dvd will be only $18 at BestBuy this week.[/QUOTE]
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$18 at Amazon doesn't seem too bad.
[quote name='pimpster4183']Did anyone else see Big Show put his hands up to cover the chair shots from The Miz? come on now, shit[/QUOTE]Well to be fair, that's a pretty realistic reaction to an impending chairshot. Doesn't really "expose the business" or anything. I'd put the Ric Flair punt more in that territory.
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[quote name='BustaUppa']Well to be fair, that's a pretty realistic reaction to an impending chairshot.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
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Thanks. I might go over to the mall and pick it up since I have some coupons.
[quote name='JJSP']Batista's gone for four months.[/QUOTE]
They need to fire his ass. He seems to wrestle only 2 months out of the year.
Thanks. I might go over to the mall and pick it up since I have some coupons.
[quote name='JJSP']Batista's gone for four months.[/QUOTE]
They need to fire his ass. He seems to wrestle only 2 months out of the year.
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[quote name='JJSP']Batista's gone for four months.[/QUOTE]
You know, it may be schadenfreude, but I always get excited when a round of WWE cuts occur. I look forward to my favorite guys getting shitcanned so I might be able to see them wrestle for a change of pace.
You know, it may be schadenfreude, but I always get excited when a round of WWE cuts occur. I look forward to my favorite guys getting shitcanned so I might be able to see them wrestle for a change of pace.
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Batista returned from his last injury the day after Wrestlemania, so he's been back on TV for 2 months and 2 days before being written off again.
When was he on tv before his injury that kept him out of WM?
And he's injured and they gave him the title anyway, killing off some of Orton's steam.in' knuckleheads. They could do a super cool tourney for the title, but you know they'll just fart it away into an Orton/HHH title match at the Great American Bash.
EDIT: 12/15 was when he was written off TV last. So in the past (roughly) six months, Batista has been an active wrestler for two of them. If he's out as long as they say, he'll have been an active wrestler for 2 of the past 10 months.
When was he on tv before his injury that kept him out of WM?
And he's injured and they gave him the title anyway, killing off some of Orton's steam.
in' knuckleheads. They could do a super cool tourney for the title, but you know they'll just fart it away into an Orton/HHH title match at the Great American Bash.EDIT: 12/15 was when he was written off TV last. So in the past (roughly) six months, Batista has been an active wrestler for two of them. If he's out as long as they say, he'll have been an active wrestler for 2 of the past 10 months.
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God what a crazy few days it's been. Extreme Rules was a pretty good PPV, and certainly newsworthy with the title changes. I loved Dreamer's win and they did a shockingly good job of making it seem like a big deal - thank God for Striker calling the action there as he made it seem important. The WWE Title match was over quickly, but quite good, and not long enough for Batista to either blow up or get hurt more. With him being hurt, the title change doesn't make much sense, but like RVD going over Orton at ONS '07, fits them going with a swerve for the sake of doing something that doesn't make logical long-term sense, but is a surprise to some.
The world title ladder match was fantastic, with Edge and Jeff continuing their positive tradition of having great matches every time out. Jeff winning was done really well - the fans got to see him win the World title, and if he leaves, WWE only gave him the belt for a few minutes, so they aren't out anything if he does leave, and if he doesn't, then he's got ready-made matches with Edge and Punk over the belt. Umaga either being released (or quitting, depending on the report you go by) is surprising either way, and Vickie also quit. I'll miss each of them for different reasons, but I hope Umaga does well in either TNA or perhaps All Japan again.
Raw was memorable, not so much good, but not as horrid as the show has been over the past few months. The Batista injury angle was really good and made Legacy seem like a serious threat again...until Hunter came back and demolished Orton on free TV despite the PPV being mere weeks ago. Well, at least his return got a huge pop. Miz-Cena being used as a backdrop for Cena-Show AGAIN bugged me. PULL THE TRIGGER ON MIZ-CENA, I'm sick of seeing Show and Cena have bad matches, and it made no sense to have Miz not even get the visual pinfall after all this stuff either.
The world title ladder match was fantastic, with Edge and Jeff continuing their positive tradition of having great matches every time out. Jeff winning was done really well - the fans got to see him win the World title, and if he leaves, WWE only gave him the belt for a few minutes, so they aren't out anything if he does leave, and if he doesn't, then he's got ready-made matches with Edge and Punk over the belt. Umaga either being released (or quitting, depending on the report you go by) is surprising either way, and Vickie also quit. I'll miss each of them for different reasons, but I hope Umaga does well in either TNA or perhaps All Japan again.
Raw was memorable, not so much good, but not as horrid as the show has been over the past few months. The Batista injury angle was really good and made Legacy seem like a serious threat again...until Hunter came back and demolished Orton on free TV despite the PPV being mere weeks ago. Well, at least his return got a huge pop. Miz-Cena being used as a backdrop for Cena-Show AGAIN bugged me. PULL THE TRIGGER ON MIZ-CENA, I'm sick of seeing Show and Cena have bad matches, and it made no sense to have Miz not even get the visual pinfall after all this stuff either.
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There's been talk of going with a Cena/Show/Miz 3-Way at The Bash.
Kinky.
Kinky.
I couldn't make it all the way through without busting out in laughter, but maybe you guys can. This poor guy really really hates CM Punk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srL7-vvNrBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srL7-vvNrBY
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[quote name='MisterModest']There's been talk of going with a Cena/Show/Miz 3-Way at The Bash.
Kinky.[/QUOTE]
I say Miz takes it in the end. :lol:
Kinky.[/QUOTE]
I say Miz takes it in the end. :lol:
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[quote name='Mr. Beef']I couldn't make it all the way through without busting out in laughter, but maybe you guys can. This poor guy really really hates CM Punk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srL7-vvNrBY[/QUOTE]
Goddamn, I was half expecting him to belt out "HE'S NOT A CHARISTIAAAAAIN!?", but I lost it at about the 10 second mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srL7-vvNrBY[/QUOTE]
Goddamn, I was half expecting him to belt out "HE'S NOT A CHARISTIAAAAAIN!?", but I lost it at about the 10 second mark
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way to smash the smart mark stereotype, bucky.
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[quote name='F4Wonline.com']Batista will be undergoing surgery for a torn biceps today, in Birmingham, under Dr. James Andrews. The prognosis going in is they believe he'll be out four to six months. The story that he's undergoing surgery today is legit. One would expect a decision regarding the championship, likely decided on next week's Raw in some form, will be forthcoming by the end of the day.[/QUOTE].
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surely the wwf will have enough stars to present fresh material on tv for the next few years
Good thing they buried the ( individual members of the ) spirit squad, the ( individual ) bashams, nick dismore, pretty much ANY developmental talent. Why the hell did they do that?
Good thing they buried the ( individual members of the ) spirit squad, the ( individual ) bashams, nick dismore, pretty much ANY developmental talent. Why the hell did they do that?
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I didn't understand half of what he said on that video. Where do yo find that stuff? I hope you're not looking for it. Its kind of scary to think what kind of person it takes to set up a camera, tape yourself doing something like that then putting it up on the web. With that hair he looks like he's still waiting for a team extreme reunion.
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Team Extreme? Homeboy looked like his mama got ed by the Cowardly Lion.
ed by the Cowardly Lion.
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How many ROH tv episodes have their been? I just downloaded the first one and watched a bit of it. It's been really good so far. There's only 9 in the PSN store. Is that all there has been?
I don't go scouring Youtube for these videos, if that's what you're implying, carbon. I've started going to Neogaf more often and noticed that they also have a wrestling thread (not that I'm able to post there, what with the long wait to get registered...).
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Picked up the Macho Man dvd today at BestBuy, haven't watched it yet (currently watching the hockey game, Go Wings!)
They still had a healthy selection of titles for $13 that someone else posted a week or so ago.
They still had a healthy selection of titles for $13 that someone else posted a week or so ago.
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The guy who you have linked to is MBRatedR69. Here's his new video in response to what others are saying about his "PHIL BROOKS, YOU! (The Sequel)" video.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fw7YZAQOE[/media]
YOU! (The Sequel)" video.[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fw7YZAQOE[/media]
I didn't watch any WWE this past week so let me make sure I understand. Orton lost the title to Batista at the PPV and the next day Batista is said to be headed for surgery. Was the belt put on him with the knowledge he was injured? If so, that's just beyond stupid.
[quote name='Blackout']How many ROH tv episodes have their been? I just downloaded the first one and watched a bit of it. It's been really good so far. There's only 9 in the PSN store. Is that all there has been?[/QUOTE]
12 as of this past Saturday. The shows only get better so stick with it.
[quote name='Blackout']How many ROH tv episodes have their been? I just downloaded the first one and watched a bit of it. It's been really good so far. There's only 9 in the PSN store. Is that all there has been?[/QUOTE]
12 as of this past Saturday. The shows only get better so stick with it.
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[quote name='F4Wonline.com']-Still no official word on the status of the WWE Title. They may not have decided yet. There was talk earlier this weekend of perhaps doing a tournament on Raw this coming Monday night, but they're already promised three title matches, and that might be overkill with a PPV in less than three weeks, and zero matches announced yet. It is, however, hard to have three title matches when one guy can't defend his title.
-Batista underwent biceps surgery today, and will be out of action at least four months, according to WWE.com. We've heard they may keep him out slightly longer, to around the time of the Royal Rumble.
-Vickie Guerrero legitimately quit the company, and was written out of storylines last night. This is a decision that was made about a month ago, right around the time they started calling her a pig on TV.[/QUOTE].
-Batista underwent biceps surgery today, and will be out of action at least four months, according to WWE.com. We've heard they may keep him out slightly longer, to around the time of the Royal Rumble.
-Vickie Guerrero legitimately quit the company, and was written out of storylines last night. This is a decision that was made about a month ago, right around the time they started calling her a pig on TV.[/QUOTE].
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