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[quote name='BustaUppa']Interesting. Hopefully they use this chance to put on a few longish matches but I'm not holding my breath!
And "alternative product placement" isn't so bad if it gives us more stuff like Santino stealing a delicious Subway sandwich from Lawler.[/QUOTE]

They could go the TNA route and place a big sponsor logo over the center of the wrestling mat. Or go their own route and have triple H & hbk promo stuff like they do with the dx merch.
 
I hope that Ted Dibiasi Marine 2 thing is bullshit, he is not an established star yet to put in his own MOVIE. Also you'd think Shane Douglas would go tan, dye his hair and try to look halfway decent if he's trying to get back into the business. Did anyone else notice he threw up in middle of his match with AJ?
 
[quote name='pimpster4183']I hope that Ted Dibiasi Marine 2 thing is bullshit, he is not an established star yet to put in his own MOVIE. Also you'd think Shane Douglas would go tan, dye his hair and try to look halfway decent if he's trying to get back into the business. Did anyone else notice he threw up in middle of his match with AJ?[/QUOTE]

the marine 2 is real, they went with the orton punt angle for him last year to write him off to go film, its straight to DVD and they apparently wanna have him separate from legacy and break out before it comes out, does anyone have a screen cap of douglas, i didnt see him last night
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']does anyone have a screen cap of douglas, i didnt see him last night[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='GuilewasNK']Cole was reporting from Yugoslavia during the war. As far as I am concerned he is more of a man than Vince could ever hope to be and Vince yelling probably doesn't mean shit to Cole.

Either way, Vince need to chill the fuck out. The announcers aren't as bad or good as anyone thinks they are.[/QUOTE]

Back in the mid-90's? Who was he working for?

IMO, Cole just comes off as incompetent. He finds a few phrases and absolutely wears them out. He just doesn't do anything to enhance a match which is exactly what he's supposed to do. A bad announcer can distract from a good match and make it less enjoyable. I know you've said before you don't care who the ring announcer is. Do you feel essentially the same about play-by-play and color announcers? Honestly, Cole is the primary reason (with HHH a close second) I don't watch Raw at this point. I can't listen to him for 2 hours.
 
Will UFC be as popular as it is now next year? No. It’s not a typical sport, so there’s no way that people would have a connection to it because they’d played it before, as people do with basketball, baseball, football, or other spectator sports. In addition to that, if shoot fighting was more impressive than booked fighting, wrestling would still be a shoot. He also says that people signing away all the big UFC stars they can aren’t helping things.
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Al snow from a shoot interview in 98. The bolded part I think was a mistake by the people who wrote it down.

Also, Keiji Mutoh says in a shoot interview that he wanted to sign to the WWF after he was fired from WCW in around 1999 but he had a 6 month no compete clause in his contract so he just went back to Japan. I sure do wonder what he would've been like had he went to the WWF....
 
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[quote name='neocisco']Back in the mid-90's? Who was he working for?

IMO, Cole just comes off as incompetent. He finds a few phrases and absolutely wears them out. He just doesn't do anything to enhance a match which is exactly what he's supposed to do. A bad announcer can distract from a good match and make it less enjoyable. I know you've said before you don't care who the ring announcer is. Do you feel essentially the same about play-by-play and color announcers? Honestly, Cole is the primary reason (with HHH a close second) I don't watch Raw at this point. I can't listen to him for 2 hours.[/QUOTE]


I concur. While I have rarely watched WWE in 2009, I endured Michael Cole many-a-year prior. When Taz and Cole provided commentary for SmackDown, I had to turn down the volume. Between 'rocket-busters' and Cole's general inability to sound genuinely excited, I just could not stomach it.
 
I am extremely saddened to report that one of the greatest in-ring workers of the modern age and the founder of Pro Wrestling NOAH, Mitsuhau Misawa died earlier this morning (tonight in Japan) following an in-ring accident stemming from a suplex.
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From Pop-up Insider.

WTF!?!?!?!?!
 
On June 13, 2009, after receiving a belly to back suplex during a match at Hiroshima Green Arena, he lost consciousness and was taken to a hospital. He was pronounced dead in the hospital at 10:10 p.m.
 
Wow. Like neo said, the style over there is much stiffer than in the US, but you've gotta fuck up a simple back suplex pretty badly to kill someone.

Pretty big loss to the wrestling world. I know better, but I wonder if we'll see a blurb about it on Raw.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']From Pop-up Insider.

WTF!?!?!?!?![/QUOTE]

Looks like he died in the ring

[quote name='Observer']MISAWA PASSES AWAY AFTER BACKDROP IN HIROSHIMA MATCH

Mitsuharu Misawa, one of the greatest pro wrestlers of all-time, was declared dead at 10:10 p.m. Saturday night at a hospital in Hiroshima after being dropped on his head in a tag team title match.

Misawa would have turned 47 on June 18th.

Misawa & Go Shiozaki were challening Bison Smith & Akitoshi Saito for the GHC tag team championship in Hiroshima and Misawa was dropped on his head at about 8:45 p.m. and knocked unconscious.

According to eye witness reports, Saito gave Misawa a "routine" back suplex that was described as a "7" in danger on a scale of one-to-ten. He did not get up. It was chaos in the ring as they attempted to revive him using CPR and the crowd was hushed for a while, and began a "Misawa" chant. He turned purple in the ring and was rushed to the hospital in an ambulance.

The wrestlers were told on the bus that he had passed away.

While it is being reported that he passed away at the hospital, he may have actually passed away in the ring.

Misawa was the Japanese high school national wrestling champion at 187 pounds in 1980, and was recruited by Giant Baba into All Japan Pro Wrestling. He gained his first taste of stardom in 1984 when he was chosen to be the second Tiger Mask. After unmasking in 1990, he became an even bigger star after a series of singles matches with Jumbo Tsuruta.

He was Japan's biggest pro wrestling star of the 90s, and one could make a strong case for him as the top wrestler of the decade. He was the Wrestler of the Year in 1995, 1997 and 1999.

After the death of Shohei "Giant" Baba, Misawa wrestled a little over one more year for All Japan Pro Wrestling, while working as company president. After consistently butting heads with owner Motoko Baba, the widow of Shohei Baba, he and 90% of the All Japan roster quit the company to form Pro Wrestling NOAH.[/QUOTE]

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Could we start the new thread early and make it a Mitsuharu Misawa Memorial thread?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Looks like he died in the ring



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Could we start the new thread early and make it a Mitsuharu Misawa Memorial thread?[/QUOTE]

As per tradition, I think that would be the best course of action.
 
The way the F4W article is written, it doesn't sound like the suplex was what killed him, just that it triggered the apparent heart attack that they're saying occurred. It's almost identical to the Observer article, except the opening paragraph is different.

[quote name='Figure 4 Wrestling']Mitsuharu Misawa, one of the greatest pro wrestlers of all-time, was declared dead at 10:10 p.m. Saturday night at a hospital in Hiroshima from an apparent heart attack after being being given a back suplex in a tag team title match. [/quote]
 
[quote name='JJSP']The way the F4W article is written, it doesn't sound like the suplex was what killed him, just that it triggered the apparent heart attack that they're saying occurred. It's almost identical to the Observer article, except the opening paragraph is different.[/QUOTE]

Would a heart attack kill you that quickly?
 
It can - if your heart stops beating, it's pretty much lights out within minutes. Not the most likely scenario, but definitely possible.
 
Wow, that's insane.

If I were the WWE, I would be covering this or at least make mention of it on Raw. Nothing sends a good "don't try this at home!" message like showing you a guy that took a simple maneuver.
 
That sucks. I can't believe it. All I can wonder now is who will run NOAH and how will this affect the puroresu scene.

Copyrighted material:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMpHibYk4f8

It's a shame that 19 years later, both guys have passed.

ALSO, supposedly the movie " the wrestler " just came out in Japan. What a terrible coincidence.
 
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Most of the witnesses say he was dead on impact. Maybe the impact just jarred his heart into stopping. Like reverse CPR. Those back suplexes are sick stuff there. Ever see Steve Williams' Dr. Driver? The move got him so over there that every Japanese wrestler since then has attempted to throw a harder back suplex.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Would a heart attack kill you that quickly?[/QUOTE]

Yes. My dad had a massive one and was gone in less than 5 minutes.
 
D-Lo Brown vs Jay Briscoe on ROH right now.

Since they have a working relationship with NOAH ROH will most likely do some type of condolences for Misawa on it's show although it will take a couple of weeks.
 
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[quote name='rickshankshaw']ROH Spoiler.

It's a real spoiler.

New ROH Champ: Austin Aries
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First off, congrats to Aries for being the first 2-time ROH champion. Second, I really hope this isn't the start of a new trend in ROH where they have a series of short title reigns now that they have a TV deal. We got enough of that from the "competition".
 
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First off, congrats to Aries for being the first 2-time ROH champion. Second, I really hope this isn't the start of a new trend in ROH where they have a series of short title reigns now that they have a TV deal. We got enough of that from the "competition".
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I couldn't agree more. That's one of the things I really enjoy about ROH.
Title changes actually mean something there as opposed to WWE where there's one practically every month.
 
[quote name='neocisco']I couldn't agree more. That's one of the things I really enjoy about ROH.
Title changes actually mean something there as opposed to WWE where there's one practically every month.
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I was there last night and Aries is amazing. His work right now is better than anyone in the WWE. His promos last night (I was in attendance) on top of a brilliant swerve including letting the Flair theme play and coming out to the music instead (when Flair walked out on the company). I'm shocked as to how good of a character he is and he is really going to put ROH on the map if he gets the right amount of TV time. Just a brilliant worker.
 
No new topic? I guess we don't have much left.

Regarding Misawa, I know a fair amount about him and respect his contributions to the business, but I have only seen a handful of his matches as I haven't seen a lot of puro. I will be checking out more, now.

Now, for something much less depressing- Abyss doing the weather!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1qWGOjAbP8
 
The Macho DVD set is great if you hate edits.

A few censored "WWF" that Macho says during interviews. And they edited Flair's entrance during WMVIII to have his WWE-ified 2001 entrance theme - but a later match they show has his WWF-era entrance theme. Strange and inconsistent.

But, by and large, every match is intact. Even a Flair/Macho title match that centers around who Woman will align with.

Buy it. Now. So worth it.
 
One of the reasons why I don't like purchasing WWE DVDs: They edit the crap outta them like George Lucas putting in Hayden Christensen at the end of Return of the Jedi on the Special Edition DVD.

Okay, bad example, but you get what I'm trying to say.

Misawa Update:

One Japanese Newspaper saying that he died from damage to his cervical spinal cord.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20090615p2a00m0na009000c.html
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']The Macho DVD set is great if you hate edits.

A few censored "WWF" that Macho says during interviews. And they edited Flair's entrance during WMVIII to have his WWE-ified 2001 entrance theme - but a later match they show has his WWF-era entrance theme. Strange and inconsistent.

But, by and large, every match is intact. Even a Flair/Macho title match that centers around who Woman will align with.

Buy it. Now. So worth it.[/QUOTE]


^^^^
This.

It is amazing to watch Macho's early matches and see how quick and amazing his style of wrestling was. You can really see how many of today's wrestlers have emulated his style.
 
http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/10524462

"On behalf of WWE, we were deeply saddened to hear of the tragic loss of Mitsuharu Misawa. We extend our sincere condolences to his family, friends and fans. Misawa will be remembered as one of the all-time greats in Japan," said John Laurinaitis, WWE Executive Vice President of Talent Relations.
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Jim Ross on Misawa

Mitsuharu Misawa was never an acquaintance of mine but I felt like I knew him from watching many of his DVD's which were usually with men that I did know. Misawa was arguably the best in ring performer in the world in his prime. First of all, Misawa knew how to wrestle and how to wrestle physically. The fundamentals had been drilled into this legend as a young man who went on to become a Japanese National Amateur Champion. Several things stood out to me about Misawa. In addition to be a physical, fundamentally sound athlete, timing and toughness were two of his greatest attributes. Great timing is a gift that largely can't be taught. It's like ring psychology. Some of it can be taught but mostly it must be a learned trait and some people are in the business for years and never learn great timing or main event level ring psychology. Toughness is another trait that can be nurtured but generally can't be taught. Misawa was naturally tough and it showed. And his fans loved him for it. They also loved his passion and the emotional ride on which he would take them. That's what pro wrestling is, selling emotion.

Another significant piece of Japanese, wrestling history died this weekend. Mitsuharu Misawa apparently died in the very spot that he gained his incredible fame and resounding respect from wrestling fans around the Globe....inside a wrestling ring.

It's a damn shame that the vast majority of American wrestling fans won't give a second thought about the untimely death of "a Japanese wrestler." I encourage all fans to find DVD's of Misawa and watch him in his prime, in the 90's especially. If one is really serious about about being a highly skilled, pro wrestler, then study the late Mitsuharu Misawa.

May he rest in peace.
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More information on his death.

HIROSHIMA -- Wrestling legend Mitsuharu Misawa died on Saturday night after suffering spinal damage during a match in Hiroshima. He was 46.
Misawa was fighting in a tag team match at Hiroshima Green Arena in front of around 2,300 spectators. During the match, opponent Akitoshi Saito used a back suplex on him, causing him to strike his head and leaving him unable to move. His heart stopped shortly after.
A doctor in the audience reportedly used an automated external defibrillator (AED) to try and start his heart again, but to no avail. He was rushed to hospital where he was declared dead at 10:10 p.m. It later turned out that the cause of his death was damage to his cervical spinal cord.
A 20-year-old spectator said: "He hit his head after the back suplex and was knocked unconscious. The EMTs were performing CPR for a long time. But even during the match Misawa kept shaking his head, and he looked to be in a bad way."
Misawa was a member of Ashikodai High School's wrestling club before making his professional debut in 1981 with All Japan Pro-Wrestling (AJPW). In 1984, he gained fame for the first time as Tiger Mask II, before taking off the mask six years later and fighting under his own name, standing alongside fellow legends Giant Baba and Jumbo Tsuruta. He left AJPW in 2000 to form his own promotion unit, Pro Wrestling Noah.
The last death in a Japanese professional wrestling ring occurred in 2000, when New Japan Pro-Wrestling fighter Masakazu Fukuda died after striking his head. He was aged 27.
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Supposedly Misawa had a wife and two children.

Pictures from the most recent NOAH show.
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