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'unless they 
up the build.'
heh.
up the build.'heh.
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Yeah, sure, Mr. McMahon. Kane is "fat" just like Molly Holly and Mickie James were.
Observer says they are leaning towards HHH/Taker again for Mania. After last night's speech I'm pretty worried this will be the case. Insert your favorite facepalm/headdesk photo here.
Observer says they are leaning towards HHH/Taker again for Mania. After last night's speech I'm pretty worried this will be the case. Insert your favorite facepalm/headdesk photo here.
So I was doing to housecleaning earlier, and I randomly started thinking about WWE and their obsession with twitter. Then I get here and see myke talking about how WWE is cockteasing with Brodus Clay. It's making me wonder... is WWE trying to push new talent by, well, not pushing them? In theory, it works with the twitter thing. For a while now, the name banners for the wr--...superstars have had their twitter names listed. They obviously want the fans to go online and interact with the wrestlers. Even Road Dogg had @WWERoadDogg on his banner. Then they keep mentioned "trending." To the point of even making an entire video package based around the word. But you know what, it makes trending seem important. If WWE sees specific people trending, they will start pushing them. Right?
But then it becomes a question of what is their definition of "push." Zack Ryder is the guy who has taken the internet ball and started playing Home Run Derby. Before you could like him on facebook and follow him on twitter, you could see him once a month on the C-show that wasn't even aired on TV. Since the keystrokes of the universe have been heard, he's been on TV. Both shows even. However, he's not being pushed in the normal sense. He's not become the big star that a push used to attempt. Instead, he is being used to build anticipation. When is he finally going to beat Ziggler for the belt? Think about that for a minute. When he finally does, thats going to be a big moment for the Ryder Revolution. Now think about this: At TLC, Dolph somehow walks out with his belt, and not by beating Ryder cleanly. Hell, what if after a long drawn out match, Ziggler just walks out? Will that not even intensify the moment when Ryder finally gets that win? I doubt it would happen, but just imagine if this cat-and-mouse feud somehow makes it to WrestleMania. It would easily be WWE's being storyline in... forever. But something that wasn't forced by creative. Something that was done almost entirely by the 2 participants and their internet follows.
Just a random thought. For all the hate WWE gets for doing the Twitter thing, maybe their is a method to thier madness. Any thoughts?
But then it becomes a question of what is their definition of "push." Zack Ryder is the guy who has taken the internet ball and started playing Home Run Derby. Before you could like him on facebook and follow him on twitter, you could see him once a month on the C-show that wasn't even aired on TV. Since the keystrokes of the universe have been heard, he's been on TV. Both shows even. However, he's not being pushed in the normal sense. He's not become the big star that a push used to attempt. Instead, he is being used to build anticipation. When is he finally going to beat Ziggler for the belt? Think about that for a minute. When he finally does, thats going to be a big moment for the Ryder Revolution. Now think about this: At TLC, Dolph somehow walks out with his belt, and not by beating Ryder cleanly. Hell, what if after a long drawn out match, Ziggler just walks out? Will that not even intensify the moment when Ryder finally gets that win? I doubt it would happen, but just imagine if this cat-and-mouse feud somehow makes it to WrestleMania. It would easily be WWE's being storyline in... forever. But something that wasn't forced by creative. Something that was done almost entirely by the 2 participants and their internet follows.
Just a random thought. For all the hate WWE gets for doing the Twitter thing, maybe their is a method to thier madness. Any thoughts?
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[quote name='KaneRobot']Yeah, sure, Mr. McMahon. Kane is "fat" just like Molly Holly and Mickie James were.
Observer says they are leaning towards HHH/Taker again for Mania. After last night's speech I'm pretty worried this will be the case. Insert your favorite facepalm/headdesk photo here.[/QUOTE]
He showed up with a larger gut and less definition in his arms than he has shown in the past, including the recent past. Don't get defensive just because he's a guy you mark out for. If it was Matt Hardy we'd all be having a laff; if it was Braden Walker we'd all be rolling our eyes and having a laff. Since it's "your guy" you decide to get snippy.
Molly Holly and Mickie James are poor comparisons because they had little to no fluctuation in their appearance throughout the years. Kane, on the other hand, has been in far better shape in his career, and did not take the time he had off to even attempt to get back there. Thus my remark.
Observer says they are leaning towards HHH/Taker again for Mania. After last night's speech I'm pretty worried this will be the case. Insert your favorite facepalm/headdesk photo here.[/QUOTE]
He showed up with a larger gut and less definition in his arms than he has shown in the past, including the recent past. Don't get defensive just because he's a guy you mark out for. If it was Matt Hardy we'd all be having a laff; if it was Braden Walker we'd all be rolling our eyes and having a laff. Since it's "your guy" you decide to get snippy.
Molly Holly and Mickie James are poor comparisons because they had little to no fluctuation in their appearance throughout the years. Kane, on the other hand, has been in far better shape in his career, and did not take the time he had off to even attempt to get back there. Thus my remark.
[quote name='mykevermin']The comment about Kanes outfit = yarn was spot on. His outfit looks like it was handcrafted by the Kindergarten class of St. Aloysius Learning Center in Peoria, Ill.[/QUOTE]
Hey, you watch your mouth. Those kids do good work. Their nimble little fingers can wield a thread and needle just as well as those Chinese kids in the Nike factories.
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Hey, you watch your mouth. Those kids do good work. Their nimble little fingers can wield a thread and needle just as well as those Chinese kids in the Nike factories.
They can even make a movie about it.
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We also still don't know what kind of condition Taker is in. I wouldn't be surprised if they threw Kane in there as well to take some of the work away from him. Personally I'd have them throw a shitload of money at Shawn Michaels and make it a 3 way (and also the last match for all 3 of them).
I think they are going to have to go with ridiculous spectacle over a competitive match. There's certainly more interesting things that they can do than just Taker/Triple H 3.
I think they are going to have to go with ridiculous spectacle over a competitive match. There's certainly more interesting things that they can do than just Taker/Triple H 3.
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Wrestling is high-impact stuff, but I don't think that it's asking too much to get one decent match out of one of the most prolific wrestlers of the past several decades. UT is savvy enough to know what he can and can't do. We may miss out on a rope-walk due to the impact on his knees (actually, I'm not sure what his injuries are), but I think anyone who can't see it happening is letting themself be worked.
Flair still bumps like a motherer. Hogan was able to put on a garbage match this year despite claiming to be a 6 on a scale from 1 to Dynamite Kid.
A five-star wrestling match is about the match itself. Sure, there are big spots in most of UT's wrestlemania matches, but we don't talk about spots necessarily - we talk in terms of how incredible the matches were as stories. We enjoy the full match - a long, back and forth, something (streak) on the line, etc. If you take two veterans and tell them "give us a 20-minute mat classic, and take it easy on the high spots," I'm convinced they'll see it as a walk in the park. Present it right with the proper amount of build and presentation, it's a hit. Besides, WWE knows how to present things in a way that makes them more magificent than they truly are.
This idea that UT doesn't have one more excellent match in him is overblown, IMO. Worst case scenario, he retires as Biker Taker, focusing on his "dog" and his "yard," and reverts his mat style to more submission wrestling based.
Flair still bumps like a mother
er. Hogan was able to put on a garbage match this year despite claiming to be a 6 on a scale from 1 to Dynamite Kid.A five-star wrestling match is about the match itself. Sure, there are big spots in most of UT's wrestlemania matches, but we don't talk about spots necessarily - we talk in terms of how incredible the matches were as stories. We enjoy the full match - a long, back and forth, something (streak) on the line, etc. If you take two veterans and tell them "give us a 20-minute mat classic, and take it easy on the high spots," I'm convinced they'll see it as a walk in the park. Present it right with the proper amount of build and presentation, it's a hit. Besides, WWE knows how to present things in a way that makes them more magificent than they truly are.
This idea that UT doesn't have one more excellent match in him is overblown, IMO. Worst case scenario, he retires as Biker Taker, focusing on his "dog" and his "yard," and reverts his mat style to more submission wrestling based.
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I've always viewed Taker winding down his career and lessening his in-ring performance as two totally seperate things. Bottom line is that when it comes down to it, I have faith in Taker to deliver 10 times out of 10. The problem is that I don't want Taker to turn into either Flair OR Hogan... either being the guy who is there every week but you just feel sad for, or the guy who does one match a year.
It's why I advocate for this being his final match. He can still physically go, but I don't want Taker to be a guy that just shows up for Mania, which is basically where we're headed.
Taker will wind down his in-ring career with a simple one on one match at a WM. It might be HiaC, but I guarantee it'll just be two guys in that ring. Even if Taker was only physically capable of clotheslining a motherer, it'll be two guys. Because, like you said... It's not about the match. Not anymore. The first HBK match was amazing, but there was a heightened sense of it BECAUSE we were conditioned to think matches wouldn't be *that* anymore. Ultimately, though, it boils down to Taker walking into that arena, and then raising his hand when it's done. Anything in-between almost doesn't matter for either his final match or 20-0.
Though, even as I say that I completely disagree with Taker/HHH 3. I don't like it. I don't care. The worst part is that, frankly, it places HHH above everyone else yet again. Not just because he gets the Taker slot, but because it's been written that he 'broke' the Deadman, something that even his good buddy HBK couldn't do. Whether intentionally or not... HHH won't break the streak, but he's doing his damnedest to get himself over with it. Maybe that's the smart mark in me, but it. It bothers me. This company isn't giving me anything else to give a shit about, so this is where my shit is being given. HHH/Taker 3. Period.
It's why I advocate for this being his final match. He can still physically go, but I don't want Taker to be a guy that just shows up for Mania, which is basically where we're headed.
Taker will wind down his in-ring career with a simple one on one match at a WM. It might be HiaC, but I guarantee it'll just be two guys in that ring. Even if Taker was only physically capable of clotheslining a mother
er, it'll be two guys. Because, like you said... It's not about the match. Not anymore. The first HBK match was amazing, but there was a heightened sense of it BECAUSE we were conditioned to think matches wouldn't be *that* anymore. Ultimately, though, it boils down to Taker walking into that arena, and then raising his hand when it's done. Anything in-between almost doesn't matter for either his final match or 20-0. Though, even as I say that I completely disagree with Taker/HHH 3. I don't like it. I don't care. The worst part is that, frankly, it places HHH above everyone else yet again. Not just because he gets the Taker slot, but because it's been written that he 'broke' the Deadman, something that even his good buddy HBK couldn't do. Whether intentionally or not... HHH won't break the streak, but he's doing his damnedest to get himself over with it. Maybe that's the smart mark in me, but
it. It bothers me. This company isn't giving me anything else to give a shit about, so this is where my shit is being given. HHH/Taker 3. Period.
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Did they ever even acknowledge during the WM27 buildup that there *was* an UT/HHH 1 at WM already, ten years ago? My recollection is that they really went out of their way to avoid bringing it up at all.
So it would be HHH/UT 2-2. Which is more of a Square Enix thing, I suppose.
So it would be HHH/UT 2-2. Which is more of a Square Enix thing, I suppose.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Did they ever even acknowledge during the WM27 buildup that there *was* an UT/HHH 1 at WM already, ten years ago? My recollection is that they really went out of their way to avoid bringing it up at all.
So it would be HHH/UT 2-2. Which is more of a Square Enix thing, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Nope. No acknowledgement at all ever during the buildup.
On the subject of Taker and WM, I had always hoped a younger guy would get the slot. Someone who could carry the company (Barrett, Sheamus, Kofi, Punk, Orton and even Cena come to mind.) They would still lose, but look damn good in that loss. Take Undertaker to the limit, and have him look much like he did last year against HHH. Of course, with Barrett, Kofi or Sheamus, they would have had to be built up over this past year to make it believable. Kofi's been pretty much buried, Barrett is JUST starting to kinda break out again. Sheamus seems to be picking up steam, and could have, by the time the WM build-up started, been built up properly to seem like a true threat to the streak. Taker/HHH 3, I think will still be good, but I (and I think most) don't want to see that again. HHH most likely isn't going to be around too much longer, and doesn't need the rub. I think, in some ways, this match is a waste, since Taker would probably be leaving, and HHH DOES NOT need any sort of push or rub.
Well, here's hoping that
rumor comes true.
So it would be HHH/UT 2-2. Which is more of a Square Enix thing, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Nope. No acknowledgement at all ever during the buildup.
On the subject of Taker and WM, I had always hoped a younger guy would get the slot. Someone who could carry the company (Barrett, Sheamus, Kofi, Punk, Orton and even Cena come to mind.) They would still lose, but look damn good in that loss. Take Undertaker to the limit, and have him look much like he did last year against HHH. Of course, with Barrett, Kofi or Sheamus, they would have had to be built up over this past year to make it believable. Kofi's been pretty much buried, Barrett is JUST starting to kinda break out again. Sheamus seems to be picking up steam, and could have, by the time the WM build-up started, been built up properly to seem like a true threat to the streak. Taker/HHH 3, I think will still be good, but I (and I think most) don't want to see that again. HHH most likely isn't going to be around too much longer, and doesn't need the rub. I think, in some ways, this match is a waste, since Taker would probably be leaving, and HHH DOES NOT need any sort of push or rub.
Well, here's hoping that
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[quote name='mykevermin']Did they ever even acknowledge during the WM27 buildup that there *was* an UT/HHH 1 at WM already, ten years ago? My recollection is that they really went out of their way to avoid bringing it up at all.
So it would be HHH/UT 2-2. Which is more of a Square Enix thing, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
See, I've always kind of wondered the 'why' on that one. While 10 years is a lifetime for wrestling, it's not like the build to a Taker WM match doesn't always include some kind of video running down his 'victims'. It's weirdly one of the more promoted parts of company history.
So, to have them completely disregard the fact that HHH lost ten years ago... it's always bugged me. It could've been that they simply felt no one would see HHH as a serious threat if it was brought up, but it's not like people really think the streak is going to end anyway. It was also, by today's standards, a pretty long match, so it's not even like HHH got completely squashed. Taking one more run at the guy who put you away ten years ago is an easy storyline, especially since it could've been written almost EXACTLY like what they're doing right now... just with a gap of ten years. It's not even like they avoided the talk about how they were old and the last of a dying breed, so mentioning a passing decade doesn't change anything. It'sing bizarre.
Of course, it could be as simple as WWE not wanting to acknowledge the American Bad Ass Taker. With the promotion and mystery behind the Deadman, maybe they just didn't want to bring up the time period where Taker was just a guy.
Like I said... I don't know. It's such a weirdly specific omission, though, that I'd eventually love for someone to explain it. There was a decision made at some point, and I'd truly love to know why.
So it would be HHH/UT 2-2. Which is more of a Square Enix thing, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
See, I've always kind of wondered the 'why' on that one. While 10 years is a lifetime for wrestling, it's not like the build to a Taker WM match doesn't always include some kind of video running down his 'victims'. It's weirdly one of the more promoted parts of company history.
So, to have them completely disregard the fact that HHH lost ten years ago... it's always bugged me. It could've been that they simply felt no one would see HHH as a serious threat if it was brought up, but it's not like people really think the streak is going to end anyway. It was also, by today's standards, a pretty long match, so it's not even like HHH got completely squashed. Taking one more run at the guy who put you away ten years ago is an easy storyline, especially since it could've been written almost EXACTLY like what they're doing right now... just with a gap of ten years. It's not even like they avoided the talk about how they were old and the last of a dying breed, so mentioning a passing decade doesn't change anything. It's
ing bizarre.Of course, it could be as simple as WWE not wanting to acknowledge the American Bad Ass Taker. With the promotion and mystery behind the Deadman, maybe they just didn't want to bring up the time period where Taker was just a guy.
Like I said... I don't know. It's such a weirdly specific omission, though, that I'd eventually love for someone to explain it. There was a decision made at some point, and I'd truly love to know why.
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"got beaten."
have another cuppa coffee, good sir.
have another cuppa coffee, good sir.
I thought it was an issue with his shoulder that will only degenerate over time. We know he'll always go out and give all he can for the match. (as ing frightening and awesome as those last few dives to the floor have been).
Maybe they do the Shawn Michaels as ref thing that was rumored last year? They will probably want to stack the deck against him as much as they can for the last one. The only issue is how do they utilize the guys that have history with Taker - Foley, Kane, Michaels, Nash, Henry - without it becoming a cluster. I'm sure Foley would be willing to get lit on fire and fall through some stuff for the occasion.
ing frightening and awesome as those last few dives to the floor have been). Maybe they do the Shawn Michaels as ref thing that was rumored last year? They will probably want to stack the deck against him as much as they can for the last one. The only issue is how do they utilize the guys that have history with Taker - Foley, Kane, Michaels, Nash, Henry - without it becoming a cluster
. I'm sure Foley would be willing to get lit on fire and fall through some stuff for the occasion.
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Not that anyone gives a since I can't remember the last time anyone has even mentioned TNA, but Jesse Neal is done with the company.
Praise Jebus!
since I can't remember the last time anyone has even mentioned TNA, but Jesse Neal is done with the company.Praise Jebus!
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Louisville is a great city. Good music scene. Isn't he 'punk rawk' since he's got a mohawk and tribal 'tats'?
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[quote name='mykevermin']Louisville is a great city. Good music scene. Isn't he 'punk rawk' since he's got a mohawk and tribal 'tats'?[/QUOTE]
Maybe Louisville has stricter policies when it comes to distributing food stamps. Guy's gotta eat ya know.
Maybe Louisville has stricter policies when it comes to distributing food stamps. Guy's gotta eat ya know.
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If memory serves, last call in Louisville is 4AM.
Why they had such a huge straight edge scene, given that, is beyond me.
Why they had such a huge straight edge scene, given that, is beyond me.
[quote name='mykevermin']If memory serves, last call in Louisville is 4AM.
Why they had such a huge straight edge scene, given that, is beyond me.
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You're correct. And I think we got that huge straight edge scene to wipe away the taint of the neo-nazi scene Bardstown road had become. Businesses used to close at like 8 or 9 pm because people had been getting shot/robbed. We're just now finally a place where things are staying open until 10 pm.
It's surreal that Ear-X-Tacy is now a Panera bread, too.
Danny Davis would have been the best thing that ever happened to Jesse Neal.
Why they had such a huge straight edge scene, given that, is beyond me.
[/QUOTE]You're correct. And I think we got that huge straight edge scene to wipe away the taint of the neo-nazi scene Bardstown road had become. Businesses used to close at like 8 or 9 pm because people had been getting shot/robbed. We're just now finally a place where things are staying open until 10 pm.
It's surreal that Ear-X-Tacy is now a Panera bread, too.
Danny Davis would have been the best thing that ever happened to Jesse Neal.
I can kinda see his point - throw him on TV for 2 years and THEN tell him he needs to go get more training. Still - shitty TNA pay is better than no pay at all especially since he was fairly close to Orlando.
I wonder if it would have put him in the same situation as Generation Me where it just wasn't worth it to fly in when they were going to use him.
On another note apparently Morrison is asking 5000 dollars per appearance. If I'm not mistaken that is what Rob Van Dam asks for.
I wonder if it would have put him in the same situation as Generation Me where it just wasn't worth it to fly in when they were going to use him.
On another note apparently Morrison is asking 5000 dollars per appearance. If I'm not mistaken that is what Rob Van Dam asks for.
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[quote name='xilly']It's surreal that Ear-X-Tacy is now a Panera bread, too.
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Is that right? Holy. I used to spend so much money in that place.
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Is that right? Holy
. I used to spend so much money in that place.John Morrison is a shame. He's truly gifted for someone who literally had no prior indy experience.
I just watched the Kane return and it was excruciatingly bush league. From the hand-me-down ring attire to the Alien vs. Predator helmet to the obvious hairpiece, it was all terrible. I feel like we're back in 2006 and balding, old DX is the hot topic.
I just watched the Kane return and it was excruciatingly bush league. From the hand-me-down ring attire to the Alien vs. Predator helmet to the obvious hairpiece, it was all terrible. I feel like we're back in 2006 and balding, old DX is the hot topic.
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[quote name='xilly']You're correct. And I think we got that huge straight edge scene to wipe away the taint of the neo-nazi scene Bardstown road had become. Businesses used to close at like 8 or 9 pm because people had been getting shot/robbed. We're just now finally a place where things are staying open until 10 pm.[/quote]
Fair enough. I moved away (from KY) shortly before Endpoint played a reunion show. D'oh.
Soing heartbreaking.
winner winner chicken dinner. It takes someing nerve to look at the people who came out of OVW and think that you, as a vanilla ice cream sandwich on wonder bread, wouldn't benefit from the training regimen there. WWE's entire upper card, save for the old folks, all came through Louisville at some point - and only a few of them (Punk comes to mind) had any substantial indie cred before going there.
If you think you're too good for the promotion that brought John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus, Morrisson, Miz, Beth Phoenix, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Santino, and Wade Barrett (and CM Punk), then you and your false sense of hubris. I'd kill to go to a promotion that produces that talent. What has FCW given us by comparison? Titus O'Neil? Heath Slater? Abraham Washington, Jinder Mahal?
Dropping OVW, given that body of work, was a tremendousing mistake.
I still truly think the Paul Heyman era of OVW is some of the best wrestling (as an overall product) of the past decade. Certainly wasn't Raw or TNA. Mid-2000's ROH was top shelf. But OVW under Heyman felt like wrestling. It was classically produced stuff.
And now, Boris Alexiev. Yeah, you've seen it before. But it's good still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc
Fair enough. I moved away (from KY) shortly before Endpoint played a reunion show. D'oh.
So
ing heartbreaking. winner winner chicken dinner. It takes some
ing nerve to look at the people who came out of OVW and think that you, as a vanilla ice cream sandwich on wonder bread, wouldn't benefit from the training regimen there. WWE's entire upper card, save for the old folks, all came through Louisville at some point - and only a few of them (Punk comes to mind) had any substantial indie cred before going there.If you think you're too good for the promotion that brought John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus, Morrisson, Miz, Beth Phoenix, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Santino, and Wade Barrett (and CM Punk), then
you and your false sense of hubris. I'd kill to go to a promotion that produces that talent. What has FCW given us by comparison? Titus O'Neil? Heath Slater? Abraham Washington, Jinder Mahal? Dropping OVW, given that body of work, was a tremendous
ing mistake.I still truly think the Paul Heyman era of OVW is some of the best wrestling (as an overall product) of the past decade. Certainly wasn't Raw or TNA. Mid-2000's ROH was top shelf. But OVW under Heyman felt like wrestling. It was classically produced stuff.
And now, Boris Alexiev. Yeah, you've seen it before. But it's good still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMrOV22rRc
I'm still praying for Santino to get dropped on his head and when he wakes up, he's Boris Alexiev.
Maybe less gimmicky than that crazy Of Mice and Men tag team. I don't want him to switch back and forth but it'd be a riot as, I dunno, Ted Dibiase came down to the ring to easily handle Santino only to be caught by a hellacious gutwrench suplex ala Aleksander Karelin in Firepro.
Maybe less gimmicky than that crazy Of Mice and Men tag team. I don't want him to switch back and forth but it'd be a riot as, I dunno, Ted Dibiase came down to the ring to easily handle Santino only to be caught by a hellacious gutwrench suplex ala Aleksander Karelin in Firepro.
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[quote name='Halo05']I'm still praying for Santino to get dropped on his head and when he wakes up, he's Boris Alexiev.
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When I first saw Santino could be like that I asked myself, why would WWE not market him in such a manner. Do they think he'd be a Taz clone or something? I can't for the life of me figure out why a guy with so much intensity isn't being marketed as a legit bad ass instead of a glorified jobber who's best in ring moments come from hand pokes of doom.
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When I first saw Santino could be like that I asked myself, why would WWE not market him in such a manner. Do they think he'd be a Taz clone or something? I can't for the life of me figure out why a guy with so much intensity isn't being marketed as a legit bad ass instead of a glorified jobber who's best in ring moments come from hand pokes of doom.
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Honestly, I'm pretty happy with the niche Santino fills. His OVW stuff is really impressive, but I just don't see him ever rising above mid-card no matter what gimmick he has. Maybe having the dumbest tattoos this side on Lance Hoyt has something to do with it.
While I get that he's a joke character, I can't deny that he's a really great joke character. He has the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand... seriously, watch Raw and tell me that Santino doesn't consistently get pops that are second only to people like Orton. It's unreal. There are people fighting for the title that don't get those kind of pops. Christ, watch the end of last year's Rumble and how the crowd exploded. I don't know, I think there's a place for some goofiness, and I'm much more okay with Santino's version than what WWE usually throws at us.
And, goofy character or not, it's kind of remarkable how much he's grown since 'The Milan Miracle'. That may have been one of the worst ways to debut someone EVER, and I always assumed he'd be unemployed within 6 months.
While I get that he's a joke character, I can't deny that he's a really great joke character. He has the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand... seriously, watch Raw and tell me that Santino doesn't consistently get pops that are second only to people like Orton. It's unreal. There are people fighting for the title that don't get those kind of pops. Christ, watch the end of last year's Rumble and how the crowd exploded. I don't know, I think there's a place for some goofiness, and I'm much more okay with Santino's version than what WWE usually throws at us.
And, goofy character or not, it's kind of remarkable how much he's grown since 'The Milan Miracle'. That may have been one of the worst ways to debut someone EVER, and I always assumed he'd be unemployed within 6 months.
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Too bad they gave the Boris Alexiev gimmick to the king of charisma Vladimir Kozlov.
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[quote name='007']Honestly, I'm pretty happy with the niche Santino fills. His OVW stuff is really impressive, but I just don't see him ever rising above mid-card no matter what gimmick he has. Maybe having the dumbest tattoos this side on Lance Hoyt has something to do with it.
While I get that he's a joke character, I can't deny that he's a really great joke character. He has the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand... seriously, watch Raw and tell me that Santino doesn't consistently get pops that are second only to people like Orton. It's unreal. There are people fighting for the title that don't get those kind of pops. Christ, watch the end of last year's Rumble and how the crowd exploded. I don't know, I think there's a place for some goofiness, and I'm much more okay with Santino's version than what WWE usually throws at us.
And, goofy character or not, it's kind of remarkable how much he's grown since 'The Milan Miracle'. That may have been one of the worst ways to debut someone EVER, and I always assumed he'd be unemployed within 6 months.[/QUOTE]
I agree entirely. Tattoos can be covered up (but the Led Zeppelin icarus? Christ that's poor taste guy) unless you're Lance Hoyt. Dude had an ass hat, and that can only be covered up by getting AN ENTIRE BACK PIECE (ass hat = fem, back piece = bad ass. nobody ever accused Batista of having a tramp stamp).
But he's also like 5'7"-5'9", which means you've *really* got to be amazing to even get a second glance, let alone put on the upper card.
As much as I think (whatever his name really is) did a good job as Santino Marella, wouldn't we be complaining if they made him a Russian bad ass? "hey, it's Rocky IV all over again!"/"the cold war ended two decades ago!" and so on? Him doing a good job with an indyriffic gimmick doesn't make it *not* an indyriffic gimmick (even if I like the gimmick - and I did).
But, as usual, 007 is onto something pretty savvy. We like Santino. WE DO. The people who don't like anything, really. Face it: when he crept in the ring to 'almost win' Royal Rumble, you didn't groan. You marked. You had a giant smile on your face, your eyes bugged out, you jumped out of your seat. Sure, you didn't think he would *really* do it, but the recognition that, for just a moment, he might - that's something else.
Better Santino be in the spot he's in than to be, say, languishing where Ted DiBiase is. Or worse, getting let go because 'creative has nothing for him' (and how often does that happen to good wrestlers, smart wrestlers?). Yeah, he's essentially today's George the Animal Steele, or Eugene. When he comes out to the ring, he's not going to win. But he'sing really good at what he does. When he comes out, you don't think it's bathroom time, or time to go to the merch table. You want to see what he does. It's not going to be a judo takedown a la Boris, but chances are you'll like it.
I credit the person for that, not WWE.
While I get that he's a joke character, I can't deny that he's a really great joke character. He has the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand... seriously, watch Raw and tell me that Santino doesn't consistently get pops that are second only to people like Orton. It's unreal. There are people fighting for the title that don't get those kind of pops. Christ, watch the end of last year's Rumble and how the crowd exploded. I don't know, I think there's a place for some goofiness, and I'm much more okay with Santino's version than what WWE usually throws at us.
And, goofy character or not, it's kind of remarkable how much he's grown since 'The Milan Miracle'. That may have been one of the worst ways to debut someone EVER, and I always assumed he'd be unemployed within 6 months.[/QUOTE]
I agree entirely. Tattoos can be covered up (but the Led Zeppelin icarus? Christ that's poor taste guy) unless you're Lance Hoyt. Dude had an ass hat, and that can only be covered up by getting AN ENTIRE BACK PIECE (ass hat = fem, back piece = bad ass. nobody ever accused Batista of having a tramp stamp).
But he's also like 5'7"-5'9", which means you've *really* got to be amazing to even get a second glance, let alone put on the upper card.
As much as I think (whatever his name really is) did a good job as Santino Marella, wouldn't we be complaining if they made him a Russian bad ass? "hey, it's Rocky IV all over again!"/"the cold war ended two decades ago!" and so on? Him doing a good job with an indyriffic gimmick doesn't make it *not* an indyriffic gimmick (even if I like the gimmick - and I did).
But, as usual, 007 is onto something pretty savvy. We like Santino. WE DO. The people who don't like anything, really. Face it: when he crept in the ring to 'almost win' Royal Rumble, you didn't groan. You marked. You had a giant smile on your face, your eyes bugged out, you jumped out of your seat. Sure, you didn't think he would *really* do it, but the recognition that, for just a moment, he might - that's something else.
Better Santino be in the spot he's in than to be, say, languishing where Ted DiBiase is. Or worse, getting let go because 'creative has nothing for him' (and how often does that happen to good wrestlers, smart wrestlers?). Yeah, he's essentially today's George the Animal Steele, or Eugene. When he comes out to the ring, he's not going to win. But he's
ing really good at what he does. When he comes out, you don't think it's bathroom time, or time to go to the merch table. You want to see what he does. It's not going to be a judo takedown a la Boris, but chances are you'll like it.I credit the person for that, not WWE.
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I hope Sandman's mom calling in the middle of the match was legit.
Also, Elmer Fudd's son is a apparently a huge Kane mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVvJKr-Mb4http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2WVvJKr-Mb4
Also, Elmer Fudd's son is a apparently a huge Kane mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVvJKr-Mb4http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2WVvJKr-Mb4
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Jesse Neal never said he was too good for OVW - TNA wanted him to relocate on his own dime, which he can't afford to do. Now he's gone, and it's a shame because he's got a great story, cut decent promos, and was really good in the ring given how little experience he had.
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[quote name='Purple Flames']I hope Sandman's mom calling in the middle of the match was legit.
Also, Elmer Fudd's son is a apparently a huge Kane markhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVvJKr-Mb4[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure at :29 he screams "HOLY CLOCK!!!1!"
Also, Elmer Fudd's son is a apparently a huge Kane markhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVvJKr-Mb4[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure at :29 he screams "HOLY CLOCK!!!1!"
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As much fun as it is to laugh at that kid (and it's a ton o' ing fun), I wish I could still get as excited about wrestling as he does.
ing fun), I wish I could still get as excited about wrestling as he does.
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[quote name='pitfallharry219']As much fun as it is to laugh at that kid (and it's a ton o' ing fun), I wish I could still get as excited about wrestling as he does.[/QUOTE]
That was my first reaction too. :???:
ing fun), I wish I could still get as excited about wrestling as he does.[/QUOTE]That was my first reaction too. :???:
I do like and appreciate Santino as a joke character. But eventually, he may well need a new gimmick and if it happens, I want it to be him magically turning into a Soviet-era shoot fighter thanks to some traumatic shot.
I finished the bio from the new Austin video yesterday and I had forgotten how funny some of the shit he did was. Him as the jealous, overly-clingy friend of Vince McMahon was genius.
I finished the bio from the new Austin video yesterday and I had forgotten how funny some of the shit he did was. Him as the jealous, overly-clingy friend of Vince McMahon was genius.
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Bobby is a COW-ARD according to AJ, and I'm LOLing hard at the announcement of the FIVE MINUTE OVERTIME PERIOD MATCH! It's ridiculous enough because they had more than five minutes left on the PPV, but hearing the goofy name was tremendous. And then Taz rambled about Bobby's exceptional clock management. This thing was largely perfectly fine technically, but was really screwy from a psychology standpoint since all the time between the first match and this one killed the whole idea of sudden death - there was no feeling of IT COULD END AT ANY TIME like HBK-Hart, they just did five minutes of random spots, and while yeah, there was a decisive finish at the end like 20 seconds after a restart, it still doesn't feel very satisfying. LOLed at AJ with 30 or so seconds left in the first round just waiting around for Roode to get up instead of GOING AFTER HIM BECAUSE THE CLOCK IS WORKING AGAINST HIM. And then he botched the springboard 450 and gutted Roode with his knees. Loved the Liontamer single leg crab though - great new finisher for Roode if they choose to go with it. Loved the anti drug-driving ad that aired given the roster of the show. Then there was a Money Mutual ad, which could come in handy for TNA's lower-card guys who can't make ends meet.
A Reaction video aired for Roode and AJ which...is a bit sudden. For some reason, Atari 2600 music was playing over it. Wild card tag tourney started, which was never explained. Wacky teams were just formed. Rob Terry and Hernandez faced Abyss and Steiner, whose pre-match pep talk ruled. Loved the start of the match with Hernandez comparing muscles, pointing to his abs, and then Steiner kicks them. Loved having him run wild - it's impossible not to love the dude, but his act is better as a heel, and I'm fine with him being a heel who's cheered, but hates the fans hwo cheer him. Terry and Hernandez actually have better chemistry on-screen and as a team than Mex-Am, with a slew of neat double team moves. Also liked Abyss handing Steiner the win in a sarcastic way. This was a blast - not great, but a lot of fun to watch. Loved the Sting-Kurt back and forth bit. These two have great chemistry, and Kurt was in awe at Sting's coat. Can't blame him - it's a fine piece of clothing.
Ion and Neese are having a best of 3 series for...some reason. They said it was to get a spot in the 4-way at Genesis, which really didn't make things any clearer since Sorensen got in and he's done jack shit for months, and Kash got in AND HE LOST AT THE PPV. Ion's gear consists of blue and orange HBK-style pants only with one leg going down barely past the knee. Also, there are tassles. Looks ridiculous, and his entrance gear of a glittery tanktop doesn't help. Guys did stuff, and Zima got over because he actually has some physical charisma. Ion won after a 450, which might've been impressive had AJ not done a springboard one in the first five minutes of the show. Zima beat him in like five minutes so...again why are there more of these matches? Zima's clearly the better guy. Dug his post-match promo about having the prettiest gear, moves, and being the prettiest guy - good cocky heel act. Love the "ME, MYSELF, AND ION!" catchphrase, even if it as a bit too similar to Gen Me's one about being the ME Generation. Hopefully things work out better for him in TNA.
Loved Flair's promo with Gunner putting him over nicely. He has great chemistry with Gunner, and their deal reminds me a lot of Flair and Batista in '03, only Gunner's better now than Batista was then. This MISTER INTENSITY shit has to go though. Match was nothing, but I loved them changing the piledriver on the floor spot into a DDT and further getting Gunner over as a career-killer. Sucks that Neal's gone because he's easily the best rookie they've had in a long time, but if they're gonna him over, might as well do and get a guy over at his expense. Karen and Sting had an awesome exchange with her sucking up and Sting not buying it, then playing along to shut her up - he now pitties Jeff for having to put up with her. I loved this. They said they'd go back to Neal but never did.
Hardy cut a promo about being number 1 contender and biting his tongue. Then Bully came out and cut an AWESOME promo about being a bad-ass who could kick Jeff's ass, had done so before, will do it tonight and also, HE'S A FREIGHT TRAIN AND YOU'RE ON HIS TRACKS. Samoa Joe's tits called Magnus an anchor. That was funny. Bunch of fun or funny promos here. Robbie E and Douglas teamed up to face Joe and Magnus, which led to tremendous pre-match comedy with Douglas and Robbie. Loved the Douglas-Magnus stuff, made me want to see either them in a singles match and also see Williams-Finlay. Loved Magnus and Joe working together to win. They've got no chemistry together, but hey, it's Magnus on TV, so I'm cool with that. Punk needs to watch Magnus and learn how to do a flying elbow. Sting met with Jeff Jarrett, who was so great saying that Sting's aware of his talent, AS THE MEXICAN CHAMPION after all, and that if he could just please let Karen down gently, that'd be super. Also, women have no place in wrestling, and she has no place as the VP of the KOs. Just totally selling her out and it was great.
EY had a wacky skit with his partner...ODB. This ruled. Devon's promo was...every promo he's cut for months now until Pope came out with his kids AND THEN SHIT WAS ON. They're his kids, he'd take a bullet for them and he's raised them. Then Pope said they want the fly lifestyle, they should've been his seed, but don't worry, he and their mom are working on that - AWESOME! Pope chalked up his pimp-slapping hand and let him have it. Finally, something good about this endless feud. Jeff and Karen met and lied to each other about the bullshit they told Sting. Traci the Whore, now with Brooks Double D on the back of her gear, attacked Madison on the ramp. So she's not only a whore and relatively unattractive, but she's also a coward. What about her is supposed to be appealing? They hyped a twitter question about Jeff Hardy making the most of his second chance by getting a title shot - I would think that going to rehab would be involved in him getting the most out of it, but whatever, it's TNA. Match wasn't dreadful, but really dragged on, even if it only went a few minutes. Sting brought the Jarretts into his office to let them dig their own graves, which they did wonderfully. Then Sting showed footage of each with Jeff focusing on A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!? endlessly. This was so great. I loved this.
So glad Roode came out for commentary, because he was fantastic. Well, most of the time - he did try to rush some things and stumbled over some words at times. Loved Bully staring at JB to make sure he got his intro right. Bully-Hardy was perfectly fine, but I really dug the post-match beating of both Hardy and Sting. I'm down for either Sting-Roode or Sting-Bully. Other than the idiocy of continuing the PPV main event on free TV, I really dug this show a lot. Great mix of matches that were good enough with a solid direction for guys. Ion's now an emerging heel in the X division...which I think needs faces since the only other one is Sorensen and Neese, Gunner's a killer of dudes, Pope and Devon FINALLY actually hate each other, Storm's moving onto something else and while it was odd to not have him on the show, I didn't miss him tonight. Roode and Bully are now the top heel duo, and Sting and Hardy are going to be their rivals. Good stuff and there are a number of intriguing directions they can go.
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Bobby is a COW-ARD according to AJ, and I'm LOLing hard at the announcement of the FIVE MINUTE OVERTIME PERIOD MATCH! It's ridiculous enough because they had more than five minutes left on the PPV, but hearing the goofy name was tremendous. And then Taz rambled about Bobby's exceptional clock management. This thing was largely perfectly fine technically, but was really screwy from a psychology standpoint since all the time between the first match and this one killed the whole idea of sudden death - there was no feeling of IT COULD END AT ANY TIME like HBK-Hart, they just did five minutes of random spots, and while yeah, there was a decisive finish at the end like 20 seconds after a restart, it still doesn't feel very satisfying. LOLed at AJ with 30 or so seconds left in the first round just waiting around for Roode to get up instead of GOING AFTER HIM BECAUSE THE CLOCK IS WORKING AGAINST HIM. And then he botched the springboard 450 and gutted Roode with his knees. Loved the Liontamer single leg crab though - great new finisher for Roode if they choose to go with it. Loved the anti drug-driving ad that aired given the roster of the show. Then there was a Money Mutual ad, which could come in handy for TNA's lower-card guys who can't make ends meet.
A Reaction video aired for Roode and AJ which...is a bit sudden. For some reason, Atari 2600 music was playing over it. Wild card tag tourney started, which was never explained. Wacky teams were just formed. Rob Terry and Hernandez faced Abyss and Steiner, whose pre-match pep talk ruled. Loved the start of the match with Hernandez comparing muscles, pointing to his abs, and then Steiner kicks them. Loved having him run wild - it's impossible not to love the dude, but his act is better as a heel, and I'm fine with him being a heel who's cheered, but hates the fans hwo cheer him. Terry and Hernandez actually have better chemistry on-screen and as a team than Mex-Am, with a slew of neat double team moves. Also liked Abyss handing Steiner the win in a sarcastic way. This was a blast - not great, but a lot of fun to watch. Loved the Sting-Kurt back and forth bit. These two have great chemistry, and Kurt was in awe at Sting's coat. Can't blame him - it's a fine piece of clothing.
Ion and Neese are having a best of 3 series for...some reason. They said it was to get a spot in the 4-way at Genesis, which really didn't make things any clearer since Sorensen got in and he's done jack shit for months, and Kash got in AND HE LOST AT THE PPV. Ion's gear consists of blue and orange HBK-style pants only with one leg going down barely past the knee. Also, there are tassles. Looks ridiculous, and his entrance gear of a glittery tanktop doesn't help. Guys did stuff, and Zima got over because he actually has some physical charisma. Ion won after a 450, which might've been impressive had AJ not done a springboard one in the first five minutes of the show. Zima beat him in like five minutes so...again why are there more of these matches? Zima's clearly the better guy. Dug his post-match promo about having the prettiest gear, moves, and being the prettiest guy - good cocky heel act. Love the "ME, MYSELF, AND ION!" catchphrase, even if it as a bit too similar to Gen Me's one about being the ME Generation. Hopefully things work out better for him in TNA.
Loved Flair's promo with Gunner putting him over nicely. He has great chemistry with Gunner, and their deal reminds me a lot of Flair and Batista in '03, only Gunner's better now than Batista was then. This MISTER INTENSITY shit has to go though. Match was nothing, but I loved them changing the piledriver on the floor spot into a DDT and further getting Gunner over as a career-killer. Sucks that Neal's gone because he's easily the best rookie they've had in a long time, but if they're gonna
him over, might as well do and get a guy over at his expense. Karen and Sting had an awesome exchange with her sucking up and Sting not buying it, then playing along to shut her up - he now pitties Jeff for having to put up with her. I loved this. They said they'd go back to Neal but never did.Hardy cut a promo about being number 1 contender and biting his tongue. Then Bully came out and cut an AWESOME promo about being a bad-ass who could kick Jeff's ass, had done so before, will do it tonight and also, HE'S A FREIGHT TRAIN AND YOU'RE ON HIS TRACKS. Samoa Joe's tits called Magnus an anchor. That was funny. Bunch of fun or funny promos here. Robbie E and Douglas teamed up to face Joe and Magnus, which led to tremendous pre-match comedy with Douglas and Robbie. Loved the Douglas-Magnus stuff, made me want to see either them in a singles match and also see Williams-Finlay. Loved Magnus and Joe working together to win. They've got no chemistry together, but hey, it's Magnus on TV, so I'm cool with that. Punk needs to watch Magnus and learn how to do a flying elbow. Sting met with Jeff Jarrett, who was so great saying that Sting's aware of his talent, AS THE MEXICAN CHAMPION after all, and that if he could just please let Karen down gently, that'd be super. Also, women have no place in wrestling, and she has no place as the VP of the KOs. Just totally selling her out and it was great.
EY had a wacky skit with his partner...ODB. This ruled. Devon's promo was...every promo he's cut for months now until Pope came out with his kids AND THEN SHIT WAS ON. They're his kids, he'd take a bullet for them and he's raised them. Then Pope said they want the fly lifestyle, they should've been his seed, but don't worry, he and their mom are working on that - AWESOME! Pope chalked up his pimp-slapping hand and let him have it. Finally, something good about this endless feud. Jeff and Karen met and lied to each other about the bullshit they told Sting. Traci the Whore, now with Brooks Double D on the back of her gear, attacked Madison on the ramp. So she's not only a whore and relatively unattractive, but she's also a coward. What about her is supposed to be appealing? They hyped a twitter question about Jeff Hardy making the most of his second chance by getting a title shot - I would think that going to rehab would be involved in him getting the most out of it, but whatever, it's TNA. Match wasn't dreadful, but really dragged on, even if it only went a few minutes. Sting brought the Jarretts into his office to let them dig their own graves, which they did wonderfully. Then Sting showed footage of each with Jeff focusing on A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!? endlessly. This was so great. I loved this.
So glad Roode came out for commentary, because he was fantastic. Well, most of the time - he did try to rush some things and stumbled over some words at times. Loved Bully staring at JB to make sure he got his intro right. Bully-Hardy was perfectly fine, but I really dug the post-match beating of both Hardy and Sting. I'm down for either Sting-Roode or Sting-Bully. Other than the idiocy of continuing the PPV main event on free TV, I really dug this show a lot. Great mix of matches that were good enough with a solid direction for guys. Ion's now an emerging heel in the X division...which I think needs faces since the only other one is Sorensen and Neese, Gunner's a killer of dudes, Pope and Devon FINALLY actually hate each other, Storm's moving onto something else and while it was odd to not have him on the show, I didn't miss him tonight. Roode and Bully are now the top heel duo, and Sting and Hardy are going to be their rivals. Good stuff and there are a number of intriguing directions they can go.
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AJ - YOU’RE A COW-ard, Bobby!
Roode - Sting wants to throw his authority around, I SPIT IN THE FACE OF AUTHORITY!
Tenay - IT’S TIME FOR THE FINAL RESOLUTION OVERTIME MATCH!
Hemme - THIS IS THE FIVE MINUTE OVERTIME PERIOD FOR THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP!
Taz - The champ had great clock management.
Taz - HOW COOL IS IT TO HAVE AN EXTENTION FROM OUR PPV MATCH!?
Steiner - We’re a team right? LET’S GO!
Angle - Sting, STING I’M NOT GONNA ASK YA - I’M TELLING YA - GET YER ASS OUT HERE NOW CUZ I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO GET OFF MY CHEST!
Taz - That’s a sharp-looking jacket that Sting has on.
Angle - For the first time, you’re gonna shut up and listen. Lemme explain to ya Sting, you book me in a match against Storm and give me less than 90 minutes to prepare. What happens? HE SCREWS ME WITH A LOADED BOOT TO THE CHIN! THEN I GET THE REMATCH - WHAT HAPPENS? SAME LOADED BOOT, SAME RESULT! I’M KURT FREAKIN ANGLE! I’M THE MASTER OF EVERY SUBMISSION MOVE KNOWN THO MAN! I COULD TAKE YOU DOWN AND MAKE YOU CRY FOR YOUR MOMMY! But I’m not gonna - I WANT MY REMATCH AND YOU’LL GIVE IT TO ME!
Sting - This is a gift from Storm - HE SAID IT’S TIME TO COWBOY UP! He beat you and he needs ot move onward and upward to Bobby Roode. TATA FOR NOW!
Angle - It seems like you have it out for me and Roode. You like how Storm plays cowboy. Maybe it’s time for me to play cowboy, go to his hometown and beat the crap out of everyone there! MAYBE HE’LL ACCEPT MY REMATCH AND I’M PROVE THAT I’M A BIGGER BADASS THAN HE COULD EVER BE! TATA FOR NOW!
Taz - Neese, obviously watching some old Taz tapes.
Zima - I’VE GOT THE PRETTIEST WRESTLING GEAR, THE PRETTIEST MOVES, AND I’M THE PRETTIEST WRESTLER! FROM NOW ON, IT’S ALL ABOUT ME, MYSELF, AND ION!
Karen - Sting, YOU ARE LOOKING SO HAWT!
Sting - THANK YA SOOOOWWWW MUUWWWCCHHH!
Karen - There are 100 Jeff Jarretts, but WHEN GOD MADE KAREN JARRETT, HE BROKE THE MOLD!
Taz - It was a stipulation-filled cage match.
Hardy - I BIT MY LIP BEFORE I CAME OUT HERE, I’M THE NUMBER 1 CONTENDER! ON THE 8TH DAY OF JANUARY, CREATURES WILL BECOME CHAMPIONS!
Ray - You’re in a good mood for someone who has to face who you have to. Oh, you didn’t get the fax? YOU DIDN’T GET THE TWEET! THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO, YOU TWEET! YOU GET THREE GUESSES WHO YA GONNA FIGHT, BUT YER ONLY GONNA NEED 1! THE BIGGEST, BATTEST, MOST-FEARED GUY IN THE COMPANY - ME! SOMEBODY WHO’S BEEN KICKING YER HEAD IN FOR 15 YEARS! I’m not that pissed at you though. I gotta thank you. Last year, when you couldn’t make it to the main event cuz of yer little problem. The next day, I stepped into your shoes in Immortal - I TOOK OVER IMMORTAL. I TOOK YOUR SPOT! I’M BETTER THAN YOU AND I’LL PROVE IT TONIGHT! I’M NOT YOUR STEPPING STONE. I’M A FREIGHT TRAIN ON YOU’RE STANDING ON MY TRACKS!
Taz - These guys have nothing in common except arms and legs.
Jarrett - Let her down easy - she’s my wife. I know you understand the talent - Mexican champion, and we’ve always thought this, women don’t have a place in this business. And she wants to be home with the kids, mother of 5, when ya break the news to her, you’re running the show, but be as gentle and nice as you can.
Sting - You sure she’s not been looking for a nanny?
Jarrett - Yeah, she’s under complete understanding to let her down as easy as possible. That jacket REALLY does look great, bud.
EY - When my mom dresses me in the morning, I have very explicit instructions - who to talk to, which bus to get on, check on his win/loss record, and see if he’s a good shoot fighter.
Devon - Pope, I told you a few days ago that we’d talk about our situation. I feel tonight is the night, so Pope, please come on down and let’s settle this now. POPE, LIKE EVERY PARENT, I’D TAKE A BULLET AND STAND IN FRONT OF A BUS FOR THEIR SAFETY. I WAS THERE WHEN THEY WERE BORN, WHEN THEY CAME HOME FROM THE HOSPITAL, AND I PUT CLOTHES ON THE TABLE! I GET UP EVERY MORNING TO TAKE THEM TO SCHOOL! I’M THE ONE THAT’S TRAINING THEM. Pope, I understand you as an individual, but these are my boys - I’ll train them how I wanna train them and bring them up how I want to bring them up.
Pope - You can lose all the weight you want, I don’t what you’re putting in your tank daddy, BUT YOU’LL NEVER BE AS FLY AS YOUR POPE! AND THEY KNOW THAT! HEY DON’T WALK AWAY FROM ME LIKE YA WIFE DID! THOSE BOYS, THEY SHOULDA BEEN MY SEED! BUT DON’T WORRY, ME AND THEIR MOM ARE WORKING ON THAT!
Karen - Jeff, there’s only one you - I CAN BE REPLACED!
Jeff - I went up to him and said Sting, we go back 25 years, and you gotta believe I know a star when I see one - AND KAREN JARRETT IS A STAR. IT’S 2012 AND WOMEN ARE PUT ON A PEDESTAL!
Tenay - Brooks…And then it’s not double zeros is it. It’s DOUBLE D!
Taz - MOVE ON!
Jarrett - I spent the whole night telling her that 2012 is gonna be the year of 2012 and Impact Wrestling.
Karen - And I told him I NEED TO GO HOME AND BE WITH THE KIDS!
Sting - I take it neither one of you watched the show…Jeff, I thought you said that women had no place in the business, and she should stay home with the kids!
Karen - He’d never say that!
Sting - THERE’S A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS SHE SAID, I’M KAREN, I NEED TO RUN THE KNOCKOUTS!
Jarrett - GET ON WITH YOUR DECISION!
Karen - YOU’RE A LIAR!
Sting - I’ve got some footage…
Jarrett - A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! THEY BROKE THE MOLD WHEN THEY MADE KAREN JARRETT! A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!? I WANNA HEAR YOUR DEFENSE…
Karen - A MOTHER OF FIVE!? WHAT!?
Jarrett - You’re a mother of five…AND I WANTED YOU HEAR, HEAR IT!
Karen - YOU’RE A LIAR!
Jarrett - YOU’RE A LIAR! A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!
Sting - Quiet - I’ll solve this. You can’t have Jeff without Karen, or Karen without Jeff, you can’t have one without the other…SO YOU’RE BOTH FIRED! TATA FOR NOW!
Jarrett - A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!?
Taz - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY BOXING DAY!
Roode - I love Boxing Day!
Taz - Look at the size of those hams.
Roode - They’re cows.
Roode - What is that? A HANKY!?
Taz - A very large hanky.
Roode - TAKE IT TO ‘IM, BULLY!
Roode - Bully and I were each great tag wrestlers, and now we’ve had different levels of success as singles - OBVIOUSLY ME MORE SINCE I’M WORLD CHAMPION!
Taz - Where is it written that the world champ has to walk around with a suit and tie and have class?
Tenay - What about your family?
Roode - They don’t condone my actions? I DON’T GIVE A CRAP! THIS TITLE IS MY FAMILY!?
Roode - For 13 ½ years, I wanted this world title, and now that I’ve got it, they wanna turn their backs on me. I’M GIVING THEM THEIR 15 MINUTES OF FAME ON THIS TV SHOW! THEY SHOULD BE THANKING ME!
Roode - Sting wants to throw his authority around, I SPIT IN THE FACE OF AUTHORITY!
Tenay - IT’S TIME FOR THE FINAL RESOLUTION OVERTIME MATCH!
Hemme - THIS IS THE FIVE MINUTE OVERTIME PERIOD FOR THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP!
Taz - The champ had great clock management.
Taz - HOW COOL IS IT TO HAVE AN EXTENTION FROM OUR PPV MATCH!?
Steiner - We’re a team right? LET’S GO!
Angle - Sting, STING I’M NOT GONNA ASK YA - I’M TELLING YA - GET YER ASS OUT HERE NOW CUZ I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO GET OFF MY CHEST!
Taz - That’s a sharp-looking jacket that Sting has on.
Angle - For the first time, you’re gonna shut up and listen. Lemme explain to ya Sting, you book me in a match against Storm and give me less than 90 minutes to prepare. What happens? HE SCREWS ME WITH A LOADED BOOT TO THE CHIN! THEN I GET THE REMATCH - WHAT HAPPENS? SAME LOADED BOOT, SAME RESULT! I’M KURT FREAKIN ANGLE! I’M THE MASTER OF EVERY SUBMISSION MOVE KNOWN THO MAN! I COULD TAKE YOU DOWN AND MAKE YOU CRY FOR YOUR MOMMY! But I’m not gonna - I WANT MY REMATCH AND YOU’LL GIVE IT TO ME!
Sting - This is a gift from Storm - HE SAID IT’S TIME TO COWBOY UP! He beat you and he needs ot move onward and upward to Bobby Roode. TATA FOR NOW!
Angle - It seems like you have it out for me and Roode. You like how Storm plays cowboy. Maybe it’s time for me to play cowboy, go to his hometown and beat the crap out of everyone there! MAYBE HE’LL ACCEPT MY REMATCH AND I’M PROVE THAT I’M A BIGGER BADASS THAN HE COULD EVER BE! TATA FOR NOW!
Taz - Neese, obviously watching some old Taz tapes.
Zima - I’VE GOT THE PRETTIEST WRESTLING GEAR, THE PRETTIEST MOVES, AND I’M THE PRETTIEST WRESTLER! FROM NOW ON, IT’S ALL ABOUT ME, MYSELF, AND ION!
Karen - Sting, YOU ARE LOOKING SO HAWT!
Sting - THANK YA SOOOOWWWW MUUWWWCCHHH!
Karen - There are 100 Jeff Jarretts, but WHEN GOD MADE KAREN JARRETT, HE BROKE THE MOLD!
Taz - It was a stipulation-filled cage match.
Hardy - I BIT MY LIP BEFORE I CAME OUT HERE, I’M THE NUMBER 1 CONTENDER! ON THE 8TH DAY OF JANUARY, CREATURES WILL BECOME CHAMPIONS!
Ray - You’re in a good mood for someone who has to face who you have to. Oh, you didn’t get the fax? YOU DIDN’T GET THE TWEET! THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO, YOU TWEET! YOU GET THREE GUESSES WHO YA GONNA FIGHT, BUT YER ONLY GONNA NEED 1! THE BIGGEST, BATTEST, MOST-FEARED GUY IN THE COMPANY - ME! SOMEBODY WHO’S BEEN KICKING YER HEAD IN FOR 15 YEARS! I’m not that pissed at you though. I gotta thank you. Last year, when you couldn’t make it to the main event cuz of yer little problem. The next day, I stepped into your shoes in Immortal - I TOOK OVER IMMORTAL. I TOOK YOUR SPOT! I’M BETTER THAN YOU AND I’LL PROVE IT TONIGHT! I’M NOT YOUR STEPPING STONE. I’M A FREIGHT TRAIN ON YOU’RE STANDING ON MY TRACKS!
Taz - These guys have nothing in common except arms and legs.
Jarrett - Let her down easy - she’s my wife. I know you understand the talent - Mexican champion, and we’ve always thought this, women don’t have a place in this business. And she wants to be home with the kids, mother of 5, when ya break the news to her, you’re running the show, but be as gentle and nice as you can.
Sting - You sure she’s not been looking for a nanny?
Jarrett - Yeah, she’s under complete understanding to let her down as easy as possible. That jacket REALLY does look great, bud.
EY - When my mom dresses me in the morning, I have very explicit instructions - who to talk to, which bus to get on, check on his win/loss record, and see if he’s a good shoot fighter.
Devon - Pope, I told you a few days ago that we’d talk about our situation. I feel tonight is the night, so Pope, please come on down and let’s settle this now. POPE, LIKE EVERY PARENT, I’D TAKE A BULLET AND STAND IN FRONT OF A BUS FOR THEIR SAFETY. I WAS THERE WHEN THEY WERE BORN, WHEN THEY CAME HOME FROM THE HOSPITAL, AND I PUT CLOTHES ON THE TABLE! I GET UP EVERY MORNING TO TAKE THEM TO SCHOOL! I’M THE ONE THAT’S TRAINING THEM. Pope, I understand you as an individual, but these are my boys - I’ll train them how I wanna train them and bring them up how I want to bring them up.
Pope - You can lose all the weight you want, I don’t what you’re putting in your tank daddy, BUT YOU’LL NEVER BE AS FLY AS YOUR POPE! AND THEY KNOW THAT! HEY DON’T WALK AWAY FROM ME LIKE YA WIFE DID! THOSE BOYS, THEY SHOULDA BEEN MY SEED! BUT DON’T WORRY, ME AND THEIR MOM ARE WORKING ON THAT!
Karen - Jeff, there’s only one you - I CAN BE REPLACED!
Jeff - I went up to him and said Sting, we go back 25 years, and you gotta believe I know a star when I see one - AND KAREN JARRETT IS A STAR. IT’S 2012 AND WOMEN ARE PUT ON A PEDESTAL!
Tenay - Brooks…And then it’s not double zeros is it. It’s DOUBLE D!
Taz - MOVE ON!
Jarrett - I spent the whole night telling her that 2012 is gonna be the year of 2012 and Impact Wrestling.
Karen - And I told him I NEED TO GO HOME AND BE WITH THE KIDS!
Sting - I take it neither one of you watched the show…Jeff, I thought you said that women had no place in the business, and she should stay home with the kids!
Karen - He’d never say that!
Sting - THERE’S A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS SHE SAID, I’M KAREN, I NEED TO RUN THE KNOCKOUTS!
Jarrett - GET ON WITH YOUR DECISION!
Karen - YOU’RE A LIAR!
Sting - I’ve got some footage…
Jarrett - A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME! THEY BROKE THE MOLD WHEN THEY MADE KAREN JARRETT! A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!? I WANNA HEAR YOUR DEFENSE…
Karen - A MOTHER OF FIVE!? WHAT!?
Jarrett - You’re a mother of five…AND I WANTED YOU HEAR, HEAR IT!
Karen - YOU’RE A LIAR!
Jarrett - YOU’RE A LIAR! A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!
Sting - Quiet - I’ll solve this. You can’t have Jeff without Karen, or Karen without Jeff, you can’t have one without the other…SO YOU’RE BOTH FIRED! TATA FOR NOW!
Jarrett - A HUNDRED JEFF JARRETTS!?
Taz - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY BOXING DAY!
Roode - I love Boxing Day!
Taz - Look at the size of those hams.
Roode - They’re cows.
Roode - What is that? A HANKY!?
Taz - A very large hanky.
Roode - TAKE IT TO ‘IM, BULLY!
Roode - Bully and I were each great tag wrestlers, and now we’ve had different levels of success as singles - OBVIOUSLY ME MORE SINCE I’M WORLD CHAMPION!
Taz - Where is it written that the world champ has to walk around with a suit and tie and have class?
Tenay - What about your family?
Roode - They don’t condone my actions? I DON’T GIVE A CRAP! THIS TITLE IS MY FAMILY!?
Roode - For 13 ½ years, I wanted this world title, and now that I’ve got it, they wanna turn their backs on me. I’M GIVING THEM THEIR 15 MINUTES OF FAME ON THIS TV SHOW! THEY SHOULD BE THANKING ME!
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I spent almost all of last night watching the Austin Blu-ray, and I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with the stuff WWE Home Video has been turning out recently. Between this and the HBK/Bret one, they finally seem to have gotten the message that people like us (internet people) will spend money on well-produced sets that really go in-depth about older stars. My only issue is that I really wanted Austin to go a little bit more in-depth about certain subjects that you knew there were some strong feelings on. Overall, the documentary portion was a nice overview of his career, and Austin is a guy that I had no problem watching talk about himself for 2 and a half hours.
Other thoughts:
- Jesus, HHH used to be really skinny. Also, I was really happy to get that No Mercy 3-way with Austin/HHH/Taker that was from the small period of time when the post-DX HHH theme didn't even have lyrics yet. Plus, Corporate Ministry. Ha.
- Taker really used to not be so skinny. Maybe it's because he was into looser clothing back then, but that guy looked real sloppy at the tail-end of the 90s.
- Even though the 'Gang Warz' was just a horrible racist storyline, I can't deny that I love The Nation of Domination.
- Three things Austin glossed over that I *really* wanted more on: His return, specifically the part where Rikishi did it for da Rock. The next was WM18. There was a small blurb about how he faced Hall but SHOULD have been facing Hogan, but that was as far as it went. There's obviously a story there, the widely accepted version being that Hogan didn't want to lay down for Austin. I wanted Austin's version of it, because not putting those two together is still one of the bigger misses of that era. The final thing was the Invasion, which got no mention outside of when Booker T tossed him onto the announce table and cracked three vertebrae.
- The more I see of it, the more I realize I really dislike the 2001-present era of WWE. It's everything... the booking, the wrestlers, the lights, the arenas... I just don't like it. It's too clean, too sterile. It just looks so wrong to me. I miss when wrestling looked dirty. Grainy TV presentation, an audience that seemed like it was barely contained by the cheap barriers, the arena floors that always looked full of dust. Watching the documentary portion, I just got to the era where they showed clips of the Bischoff/Austin Raws and it just look so bright and fake. I'm terrible at getting this into words, but surely you guys know what I mean, right?
- I liked that he took full responsibility for his miscalculated heel turn.
- WM19, in retrospect, is kind of weird. It's Austin's last match, but it was really Rock's last big Mania match until now. I guess that's the thing... it felt like a pseudo passing of the torch moment, but Rock basically was gone less than a year later.
- Speaking of WM, I had forgotten just how much I like the Hart/Austin WM13 match since I hadn't seen it in a very long time. Just great storytelling in that one.
- I'm so used to seeing the 'no entrances' version of the WM14 match that I had totally forgotten that the song they played for Tyson basically morphed into the X-Pac theme.
- It still blows my mind that Austin faced Roberts at the 1996 KotR. It also leads to the biggest 'what if' in wrestling... what if the curtain call never happened and HHH won the 96 KotR? Austin likely still would have gone on to become a star, but would it have been the same? Would DX have happened? Would HHH moved to main event status 3 years earlier than he did? How would it shift the Michaels/HHH dynamic? I'm over-thinking this, but when you get down to it the 96 KotR plans have tendrils that reach into what developed the next 4 years of that company.
- Seeing the clips one after another really illustrated why I always found Austin's role to be pretty pathetic in the mid-2000's. It's glaringly obvious that they have nothing for him to do, so they kept shoe-horning him into various roles to keep him on TV. I understand that he's a star and likes to entertain, but it's just so transparent and kind of sad. Some of the stuff was entertaining, sure, but there was really no reason for him to keep being on the show. That plays a big part in why I don't even get excited when Austin shows up anymore... he's been so overused in pointless roles that it's not 'special' to me anymore. I appreciate what he did for the industry, but it's really a simple case of no one subscribing to absence making the heart grow fonder.
Anyway, overall, it's a worthy pick-up. It reminded me why I liked Austin in the first place... as I said before, he'd gotten so bogged down by his post-wrestling antics that I had kind of forgotten. So many good moments, and a nice time capsule of a time when I guy got over based on his own ideas and charisma. Oh, and maybe I'm just more forgiving with better releases, but the blurring didn't annoy me as much in the later matches. It appears they may have re-transferred a lot of these instead of just using already existing edited and blurred matches from earlier sets. Maybe I'm just not remembering correctly, but it all seemed less obtrusive than normal. Except for the bleeping of the 'F' in audio. I reallying hate that.
Other thoughts:
- Jesus, HHH used to be really skinny. Also, I was really happy to get that No Mercy 3-way with Austin/HHH/Taker that was from the small period of time when the post-DX HHH theme didn't even have lyrics yet. Plus, Corporate Ministry. Ha.
- Taker really used to not be so skinny. Maybe it's because he was into looser clothing back then, but that guy looked real sloppy at the tail-end of the 90s.
- Even though the 'Gang Warz' was just a horrible racist storyline, I can't deny that I love The Nation of Domination.
- Three things Austin glossed over that I *really* wanted more on: His return, specifically the part where Rikishi did it for da Rock. The next was WM18. There was a small blurb about how he faced Hall but SHOULD have been facing Hogan, but that was as far as it went. There's obviously a story there, the widely accepted version being that Hogan didn't want to lay down for Austin. I wanted Austin's version of it, because not putting those two together is still one of the bigger misses of that era. The final thing was the Invasion, which got no mention outside of when Booker T tossed him onto the announce table and cracked three vertebrae.
- The more I see of it, the more I realize I really dislike the 2001-present era of WWE. It's everything... the booking, the wrestlers, the lights, the arenas... I just don't like it. It's too clean, too sterile. It just looks so wrong to me. I miss when wrestling looked dirty. Grainy TV presentation, an audience that seemed like it was barely contained by the cheap barriers, the arena floors that always looked full of dust. Watching the documentary portion, I just got to the era where they showed clips of the Bischoff/Austin Raws and it just look so bright and fake. I'm terrible at getting this into words, but surely you guys know what I mean, right?
- I liked that he took full responsibility for his miscalculated heel turn.
- WM19, in retrospect, is kind of weird. It's Austin's last match, but it was really Rock's last big Mania match until now. I guess that's the thing... it felt like a pseudo passing of the torch moment, but Rock basically was gone less than a year later.
- Speaking of WM, I had forgotten just how much I like the Hart/Austin WM13 match since I hadn't seen it in a very long time. Just great storytelling in that one.
- I'm so used to seeing the 'no entrances' version of the WM14 match that I had totally forgotten that the song they played for Tyson basically morphed into the X-Pac theme.
- It still blows my mind that Austin faced Roberts at the 1996 KotR. It also leads to the biggest 'what if' in wrestling... what if the curtain call never happened and HHH won the 96 KotR? Austin likely still would have gone on to become a star, but would it have been the same? Would DX have happened? Would HHH moved to main event status 3 years earlier than he did? How would it shift the Michaels/HHH dynamic? I'm over-thinking this, but when you get down to it the 96 KotR plans have tendrils that reach into what developed the next 4 years of that company.
- Seeing the clips one after another really illustrated why I always found Austin's role to be pretty pathetic in the mid-2000's. It's glaringly obvious that they have nothing for him to do, so they kept shoe-horning him into various roles to keep him on TV. I understand that he's a star and likes to entertain, but it's just so transparent and kind of sad. Some of the stuff was entertaining, sure, but there was really no reason for him to keep being on the show. That plays a big part in why I don't even get excited when Austin shows up anymore... he's been so overused in pointless roles that it's not 'special' to me anymore. I appreciate what he did for the industry, but it's really a simple case of no one subscribing to absence making the heart grow fonder.
Anyway, overall, it's a worthy pick-up. It reminded me why I liked Austin in the first place... as I said before, he'd gotten so bogged down by his post-wrestling antics that I had kind of forgotten. So many good moments, and a nice time capsule of a time when I guy got over based on his own ideas and charisma. Oh, and maybe I'm just more forgiving with better releases, but the blurring didn't annoy me as much in the later matches. It appears they may have re-transferred a lot of these instead of just using already existing edited and blurred matches from earlier sets. Maybe I'm just not remembering correctly, but it all seemed less obtrusive than normal. Except for the bleeping of the 'F' in audio. I really
ing hate that.
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- The more I see of it, the more I realize I really dislike the 2001-present era of WWE. It's everything... the booking, the wrestlers, the lights, the arenas... I just don't like it. It's too clean, too sterile. It just looks so wrong to me. I miss when wrestling looked dirty. Grainy TV presentation, an audience that seemed like it was barely contained by the cheap barriers, the arena floors that always looked full of dust. Watching the documentary portion, I just got to the era where they showed clips of the Bischoff/Austin Raws and it just look so bright and fake. I'm terrible at getting this into words, but surely you guys know what I mean, right?
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That's something I've been saying forever now: I LOVE shitty production values in my wrestling shows. I wanna see a show take place in a tiny venue with a couple hundred fans while the guys walk out from behind a shower curtain to the tune of "Straight Outta Compton" being blurted out on cheap boombox one of the bookers dug outta their garage while wearing gear his arthritis-ridden grandma sewed up for him the night before.
I tell ya man, I eat that shit up.
- The more I see of it, the more I realize I really dislike the 2001-present era of WWE. It's everything... the booking, the wrestlers, the lights, the arenas... I just don't like it. It's too clean, too sterile. It just looks so wrong to me. I miss when wrestling looked dirty. Grainy TV presentation, an audience that seemed like it was barely contained by the cheap barriers, the arena floors that always looked full of dust. Watching the documentary portion, I just got to the era where they showed clips of the Bischoff/Austin Raws and it just look so bright and fake. I'm terrible at getting this into words, but surely you guys know what I mean, right?
[/QUOTE]
That's something I've been saying forever now: I LOVE shitty production values in my wrestling shows. I wanna see a show take place in a tiny venue with a couple hundred fans while the guys walk out from behind a shower curtain to the tune of "Straight Outta Compton" being blurted out on cheap boombox one of the bookers dug outta their garage while wearing gear his arthritis-ridden grandma sewed up for him the night before.
I tell ya man, I eat that shit up.
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Watching the King of the Ring DVD. They're pushing how Hulk Hogan had slimmed down for his match with Yokozuna, who was bigger than ever, and Hogan was smaller and quicker than ever. Hogan is then billed as 302 pounds, a whole entire pound less than his usual 303.
I love this stuff.
Edit: "How much does dis guy weigh?"
"Shut the up, Donny."
I love this stuff.
Edit: "How much does dis guy weigh?"
"Shut the
up, Donny."
bread's done