The "Dem Boys" Briscoe Brothers Wrestling Thread

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REALLY tempted to buy this shirt.
 
Yeah, by the time Taker had started teaming with Big Show he was in pretty bad shape. Also weird to see they started transitioning to the biker character before he left. (Plus the Taker/Big Show theme was pretty damn good)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1r98KTRBA&feature=related


The "clean" arena seems to coincide with them moving to that draft era set with the slanted screen. Everything got really bright whereas before it was all black and steel. I hate that they go with the full entrance when they go to Madison Square Garden now - the tiny entrance was always one of the coolest parts of those shows because it seemed like the ring was completely surrounded by a sea of people.
 
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The "clean" arena seems to coincide with them moving to that draft era set with the slanted screen. Everything got really bright whereas before it was all black and steel. I hate that they go with the full entrance when they go to Madison Square Garden now - the tiny entrance was always one of the coolest parts of those shows because it seemed like the ring was completely surrounded by a sea of people.[/QUOTE]

One of my favorite sets:

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http://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-n...ena-t-shirt-up-for-sale-austin-turns-47-more/

WWE is selling "Cena Sucks" shirts. Sign of a heel turn, or simply them capitalizing on a market opportunity for more merch sales?

The only reasons I'd say it could be the former is b/c it reminds me of the "Die Rocky Die" shirts WWF sold when crowds turned on Rocky Maivia.

EDIT: Possible heel turn tonight? Cena continues to tweet incessantly about how he's not going to be in attendance at TLC PPV at all. I think that's hardly likely. Then again, since Kane just returned (as a heel, and attacking Cena), to turn Cena would immediately take away from Kane's return and heel push. Hmm. I'm overthinking this.
 
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If I eat enough Fruity Pebbles I can meet John Cena!

You know if we look at the rules for the contest and find out when the prize is redeemed we might be able to use that date to figure out if and when the heel turn happens :)
 
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WWE is selling "Cena Sucks" shirts. Sign of a heel turn, or simply them capitalizing on a market opportunity for more merch sales?

The only reasons I'd say it could be the former is b/c it reminds me of the "Die Rocky Die" shirts WWF sold when crowds turned on Rocky Maivia.

EDIT: Possible heel turn tonight? Cena continues to tweet incessantly about how he's not going to be in attendance at TLC PPV at all. I think that's hardly likely. Then again, since Kane just returned (as a heel, and attacking Cena), to turn Cena would immediately take away from Kane's return and heel push. Hmm. I'm overthinking this.[/QUOTE]


I despise Cena but I would never buy a t shirt. Knowing he would getting a profit off of it.
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']It just
Opens Dolf up for a Main Event push! :)
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I hope so. I'm starting to like Dolph as of lately.

Oh and...

Mother fucking Orton won! Woooooot! :applause:
 
Up next.... Triple H vs Nash in a match that feels like its straight out of WCW 2000.

Edit: Say it with me folks...

NEGATIVE FIVE STARS!
 
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This company has absolutely no idea what it's doing. HHH will be the downfall of the WWE. He's only concerned about himself. It seems as if every single one of their decision makers have no clue how to book. No clue whatsoever.
 
[quote name='GodOfUncharted']This company has absolutely no idea what it's doing. HHH will be the downfall of the WWE. He's only concerned about himself. It seems as if every single one of their decision makers have no clue how to book. No clue whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

You feel Nash should have gone over?
 
[quote name='mitch079']You feel Nash should have gone over?[/QUOTE]
No, definitely not. HHH and Kevin Nash have no business wrestling eachother in 2011. None whatsoever. Nash should be nowhere near the business and HHH should be having 1-2 matches a year, one of them putting a young guy over at Wrestlemania. He doesn't do that at all. At WM25, he BURIED a red hot Orton for no reason. At WM26, he beat Sheamus. That win did nothing for him. Instead of putting a young guy over this year, he goes out and has a boring ass match with Taker. That match was spot, rest, spot, rest, spot, rest. It didn't get interesting until the 2nd pedigree because there was no chance it was ending before that. Guess what's gonna happen again this year? Another match against Taker when both guys could have matches with Miz/Barrett/Del Rio and make them look legit, but no. Keep feeding your ego HHH, you selfish prick.

He also displays a complete lack of knowledge in regards to putting someone over. The Raw after the walkout really annoyed me. He said something about him being able to have a better match with a broomstick than with most of the people in the lockerroom. Totally unnecessary. If he wasn't a delusional asshole, he'd realize that most of the guys in the lockerroom are better than him at this point in time.

Oh and why in the world did he beat Punk? There was no good reason for that one. The win didn't do a damn thing for him and it halted Punk's momentum for the time being. Of course he had to win though so he could feed his massive ego. Even tonight, he squashed Nash at the end (and had the longest match on the show).
 
found this on bleacherreport.com regarding the WHC switch. I didn't watch the PPV but was Mark any less mobile in the ring?

Over at Prowrestling.net, Jason Powell has revealed the reasons by reporting that Henry is currently nursing a serious groin injury, hence the reason for the speedy title switch. Powell explains:

WWE star Mark Henry is nursing an injury that is said to have led to him dropping the World Hvt. Championship at Sunday's TLC pay-per-view. A source described the injury as a pull in the groin area, and noted that it was suffered during his match against John Cena during Monday's Raw. Testing done during the week revealed that the injury was more severe than was originally believed.

Powell also notes that there were many on the WWE booking team eager to keep the belt on Henry and just have him work a more reduced schedule for the next several weeks, but that WWE boss Vince McMahon made the call to switch the belt.
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[quote name='mitch079']found this on bleacherreport.com regarding the WHC switch. I didn't watch the PPV but was Mark any less mobile in the ring?[/QUOTE]
The match was less than 5 minutes long, so you couldn't really tell.

That article also confirms that Vince doesn't have a clue either.
 
He didn't actually lift Big Show at all during the match from what I remember...there was a failed attempt to pick him up for the slam then he used a DDT to put him into the chairs.
 
Dragon winning the belt does two things: it gets the belt off of Henry and opens up the chance of a SD wrestler winning the Rumble.

Not too shabby.
 
I get why they had Big Show win then had Bryan cash in, but it would've made a lot more sense to have "Mah Boi" D. Brine cash in after Big Show messes him up after the match because Henry won. Henry doesn't look weak (you know what I mean), and has a reason to feud with Bryan after he heals up.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']I get why they had Big Show win then had Bryan cash in, but it would've made a lot more sense to have "Mah Boi" D. Brine cash in after Big Show messes him up after the match because Henry won. Henry doesn't look weak (you know what I mean), and has a reason to feud with Bryan after he heals up.[/QUOTE]
After a dominant heel run, Henry lost the WHC in less than 5 minutes. This was after wanting to walk out of the match. He looked extremely weak tonight. That whole scenario was garbage booking at its finest.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']I get why they had Big Show win then had Bryan cash in, but it would've made a lot more sense to have "Mah Boi" D. Brine cash in after Big Show messes him up after the match because Henry won. Henry doesn't look weak (you know what I mean), and has a reason to feud with Bryan after he heals up.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing they might not know when Henry will be back and this sets up a Big Show/Daniel Bryan match in the meantime at the Royal Rumble.
 
[quote name='GodOfUncharted']After a dominant heel run, Henry lost the WHC in less than 5 minutes. This was after wanting to walk out of the match. He looked extremely weak tonight. That whole scenario was garbage booking at its finest.[/QUOTE]
Henry's had an out for a few weeks though - the ankle has been taped up, he's been trying to get out of the match based on the injury, and losing a chairs match to Show doesn't hurt anyone if you consider he was hurt going in and Show beat on him with a weapon to further the damage. That combined with Henry attacking Show afterwards and laying him out with the chair DDT leaves him looking alright.
 
[quote name='mitch079']found this on bleacherreport.com regarding the WHC switch. I didn't watch the PPV but was Mark any less mobile in the ring?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he was moving pretty slow even for Mark Henry. It was obvious he wasn't really in any shape to have a real match.

I agree with the other post too - if they were going to have DB cash in the MitB, it would have made more sense for Henry to win, then get mauled by Show with chairs.
 
Given the circumstances surrounding it and how it was booked, I can't be overly excited that Danielson got the belt. It was a kneejerk reaction by WWE, nothing more. There's no statement that he's their guy or any indication that he'll get company backing heading into the next few months. I'd love to be proven wrong here, but I'd be jaw-on-the-floor shocked if Bryan makes it the Rumble as WHC, let alone through that month AND the Elimination Chamber. Like someone said, I fully expect Orton to be back on top by the time WM rolls around.

There's a bigger issue at play here, though. Go take a look at the Smackdown roster. There's, uh, one main event level heel on Smackdown... and he just went down with a groin injury. Who, exactly, does Danielson feud with? Christian is the only semi-main event heel on the brand, but I can't see them booking a Christian/Danielson feud. Smart booking would have been to put Barrett over last night and set-up a Danielson/Barrett feud for the belt, but that would've made too much sense for WWE. I also don't want a face/face feud. God, I think about Danielson/Show and I'm already falling asleep... that feud also destroys the David vs. Goliath mystique that really should be saved for a Danielson/Henry feud.

Let's even take it a step further... that rumored Mania match list didn't contain a WHC match yet. I'll assert that it's not because WWE doesn't see the WHC as a main event, but that they HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE MATCH WILL BE YET. Seriously, without some roster switching, go ahead and book me a realistic WHC match for WM28. There's such a massive lack of depth on that show that I truly don't know, and I have zero faith that WWE can build someone (Danielson, Barrett, etc) enough in the next two months to be a relevant opponent or champion. There's even a case to be made for Sheamus in a WHC match, but that still doesn't solve the lack-of-heels problem (or the secondary issue of Sheamus having already had an exhaustive number of matches with the biggest guys on the brand). Not only was Henry doing the best work of his career, he was literally holding that brand together.

My best guess is that someone is going to get shipped over from Raw, like Miz or Del Rio. Oh, man, won't that be great? They can pick up the Danielson/Miz storyline, which will give us even MORE heel Michael Cole! That's what everybody wants, right? Sigh.




Edit - Ok, reading over that, one more reaction from TLC... why in the fuck did they book Orton to go over Barrett? Did Orton really need that win? Was he in danger of not being over anymore? I mean, for fuck's sake, I bitch about the WHC booking, but the Barrett/Orton decision was easily the biggest shit sandwich of the PPV.
 
Well, Daniel Bryan is already at like 25% of a Christian title reign, so that's something right there.

EDIT: 007, while I normally agree with you, and do so strongly, I can't this time.

WWE World Heavyweight Champion Daniel Bryan.

Say that until the gravity sinks in. Sure, he didn't get to put Big Show in Cattle Mutilation, but that's fine. WWE has never booked small guys as dominant - even Rey Mysterio. They're perpetual underdogs. Does it remove some luster from him because he (1) went back on his word to use it at WM or (2) he didn't 'beat' anybody? Eh, I suppose. If his persona is supposed to be "Mr. Pure and Honest." Which it may be, it's been awhile since I watched SD. But the crowd typically only boos such sniveling opportunism when a heel does it. The WWE Universe are good sheep. To wit:

Heel cashes in MITB on KO'd champ: WHAT KIND OF PERSON OH MY GOD HE'S GONNA THATS NOT FAIR HES A NO GOOD AWWWW SHIIIIIT BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Face cashes in MITB on KO'd champ: YES YES YES BY GOD YES THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! WHY WOULDN'T YOU CASH IT IN NOW? IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

In a way we're very much like Bobby Heenan during the Barber Shop segment when the Rockers split up. " See, one without the other isn't any good. Oh I knew he was gonna do that!"

Daniel Bryan, the guy who we all felt was held back on NXT, who was never going to get over because Cole buried him incessantly, who would never achieve much because he's (1) short(ish), (2) a wrestler, (3) a known commodity from the indy scene. What did Daniel Bryan have going for him that WWE would want? He's a *wrestler*. Face it, he's not just defied expectations, but he's done so in a huge way.

I'm not an optimist entirely. D. Brine may drop the belt to Orton in a 45-second match tonight. He may make us all respond in hindsight and say "damn, Christian didn't have it so bad after all." But for right now, even if it's for 24 hours, Daniel Bryan is the World Heavyweight Champion. He gets to wear the Big Gold Belt™ (and, arguably, the more prestigious of the two if you ask me, clearly aesthetically but also in terms of lineage).

That's pretty fucking amazing. It took me from being kinda sorta interested in going to Raw tonight to buying a ticket. So, yeah.
 
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On a side note, have any of you ever had a pulled groin? That is some major pain. I respect the shit out of Mark Henry for going out there and working a match with a reported "serious" groin injury.
 
That was a great PPV last night. No Cena, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are World champs, and Ryder is US Champ. The Big Show/Mark Henry match seemed a little short but was happy to see Daniel Bryan cash in his MITB. I just hope he doesn't have an incredibly short run.

I could also go without Nash ever having another match. Crowd was into it though.

One thing that could have been better was the tag team match with Air Boom could have been a ladder match; missed a good opportunity there.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, Daniel Bryan is already at like 25% of a Christian title reign, so that's something right there.
EDIT: 007, while I normally agree with you, and do so strongly, I can't this time.
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Daniel Bryan.
etc, etc.
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That's fine, and I completely see where you're coming from. This is, for the most part, a huge deal for no other reason than because it's Danielson. From that perspective, I'm happy about it.

I've just watched this product for too long, especially recently, for it to garner anything besides a small shrug from me. To me, it's not about the character and whether he should or shouldn't have cashed in that way, but the fact that it was booked of what appears to be a simple last minute scramble because of Henry's injury.

I guess that's the naive optimist in me... I want guys I'm a fan of to BECOME CHAMPION. Not fluke into it like Danielson, Miz, and Christian. I miss that moment when a guy I like suddenly rises to that next level in the company and gets anointed one of the chosen. I bring it up more often than I need to, but the perfect example of what I'm talking about is Guerrero and Benoit. Guerrero honest-to-god pinned the company's (albeit outgoing) monster in a match, and Benoit went over two of the biggest names in the company, making one of them tap in the middle of the ring at WrestleMania. Sure, the outcome of both of those wins really didn't end up going where I envisioned, but it's tough for me to argue that both of those weren't clear moments where the company went "these guys mean something". I don't feel like MitB does that, and hasn't since Edge's first cash-in.

So, yeah, I'm honestly thrilled for Danielson. I can't even begin to understand what it means for him to hold the big gold belt. To have Punk and Danielson as co-world champs is nothing short of incredible, but let's also take a step back and realize that it's also during a time where WWE is arguably at it's lowest point in a very, very long time. I get that not being involved in the business gives me a sort of armchair quarterback mentality, but I look at people like Christian and wonder if it was even worth giving him two title runs if *that's* what they did with them. For fuck's sake, he won his second (and likely last) world title by GETTING KICKED IN THE DICK. As a wrestler, I'm sure you're thrilled to have your name in the books, but becoming world champ doesn't mean even 10% of what it used to. I think, at the core, that's what I miss.

Punk is WWE Champ. Danielson is WHC. Cena wasn't even on the PPV. Maybe this is the beginning of the WWE renaissance we've been hoping for. For me, though, the Summer of Punk officially killed any goodwill and optimism I have towards this company. They've got my attention, but that's not enough to pull me back yet. Go ahead, WWE, give me WrestleMania 20 again. Have Punk and Danielson standing tall at the biggest event of the year. That's the kind of step they need to take to impress me at this point.

So, to reiterate, I fully admit that it's nothing short of a goddamn miracle that someone like Bryan Danielson has become WHC. That really says something about where the company is right now. I just can't be excited about it outside of being happy that Danielson got to have that moment.
 
Cue Vince McMahon "HIS BOYHOOD DREAM HAS COME TRUE!" from HBK's WM12 title win and overlay that audio w/ video of Christian getting kicked in the dick to win his world championships.

Point taken, 007. I disagree, but I also recognize that I'm Charlie Brown expecting to kick the football Lucy is holding.
 
[quote name='mitch079']Ziggler sells on a Mr. Perfect in his prime level.[/QUOTE]

Totally agreed. Backflip with a twist oversell is awesome, and shows just how much fun these two guys have together.
 
I figure they'll use the probable horrible buyrates of the PPV and blame it on the fact that Bryan, Punk and Ryder can't draw. They aren't believable and within a few weeks the belts are on Orton, Cena and whoever they decide to hold onto the US Title for a while.
 
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