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[quote name='SIUfan']That was a very classy video for Moolah.[/QUOTE]

Fantastic video. Very touching, very respectful, and very appropriate for recognizing everything she did in pro wrestling. There will never be another person like Moolah, but that's partially the result of everything Moolah did that paved the way for women wrestlers today. She broke down the barriers substantially.

I also love the story of her "Spider Lady" match, which was the "Montreal Screwjob" that not everybody has heard of.

Taken from her wiki page:

In 1983, Vincent K. McMahon began expanding the WWF nationally, and he offered Moolah a lucrative deal for the rights to her Women’s World Title. Moolah agreed to appear exclusively for the WWF and thus became the WWF Women’s Champion. The following year, pop music superstar Cyndi Lauper began a verbal feud with heel manager "Captain" Lou Albano that brought pro wrestling into the mainstream culture in an angle that became known as the Rock ‘n Wrestling Connection. When it was finally time for Lauper and Albano to settle their differences in the ring, a big matchup was scheduled with Albano representing Moolah against the challenge of Lauper’s young protégé, a beautiful challenger named Wendi Richter. In vintage WWF fashion, history was rewritten as Moolah was portrayed as having held the Women’s Title uninterrupted for the previous thirty years (which was nearly true since all of Moolah’s past title losses totaled to just a few weeks of not holding the belt since 1956). After much buildup and a tremendous amount of hype, the Fabulous Moolah finally lost the championship in the most anticipated women’s matchup in history when she was defeated by Wendi Richter on July 23, 1984 in the main event of “the Brawl to End it All,” which was broadcast live on MTV.

After losing the title to Richter, Moolah's glorious career seemed to have come to a close; she then trained Leilani Kai, who beat Richter for the title in February 1985. Richter won it back at WrestleMania, but when Richter’s relationship quickly soured with the WWF, Moolah donned a mask as the Spider Lady, and regained the belt on November 25, 1985 in a controversial decision (Richter was never told she would be losing the title, and fell victim to a real-life "screwjob" finish). Moolah was unmasked by Richter after the match. Richter promptly quit the WWF after this match, while Moolah continued to dominate the promotion’s lady’s division for another 2 years (excluding a 6-day reign by Velvet McIntyre during a tour of Australia in 1986) before finally losing the belt to Sherri Martel on July 24, 1987. She would retire from full-time competition shortly after the loss to Sherri, though she would captain a team at the inaugural Survivor Series. Her team (Moolah, Velvet McIntyre, Rockin' Robin, and the Jumping Bomb Angels) defeated champion Martel and her team (Leilani Kai, Judy Martin, Donna Christanello, and Dawn Marie).

Moolah was one of a kind, man.
 
haha, just when things are looking really good we get a 2 minute match of hacksaw and super crazy vs. haas and benjamin.

Can't win em all. Other than that, I'd say I haven't felt like I've completely wasted my time watching this one.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Going from a low of 2.4 back up to mid-3's in ratings, coupled with crowd chants of "Y2J" at nearly every opportunity each week (though, strangely, not this one) is pretty convincing evidence for me. Is it Y2J alone? Nah. But, IMO, his return is a big, and demonstrable, part of it.[/QUOTE]
Those 2.4s weren't regular ratings though - the usual pattern for years has been in the 3.4 range. Jericho might be causing a buzz for WWE crowds, but it isn't reflected in the ratings.

There was a Save_Us video tonight, with an emphasis on "crack the code" and "the code is the answer". The Moolah video was incredibly classy, and did a good job of making her more recent appearances seem tasteful.
 
You know, I don't really hate Umaynga anymore, I think he is being used effectively.

Good solid entertaining RAW overall. Thank you WWE, please keep it up.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Those 2.4s weren't regular ratings though - the usual pattern for years has been in the 3.4 range. Jericho might be causing a buzz for WWE crowds, but it isn't reflected in the ratings.[/QUOTE]

In years past, yes - but not this year. I see I can't convince you, so I'm giving up. It's trivial anyway.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Last 45 minutes lost steam. Still a show worth watching.[/quote]I think they hit a brick wall when Big Dick landed on TV, and then had to try and find a way to get the momentum back. A squash match with Super Crazy and Duggan winning surely wasn't the way to do that, either.
 
from what i saw raw wasnt bad... predictable, santino was cool nice to see him stand up to austin (moderately) as opposed to other people who just cower.

and the whole translastion ass whip to whoop ass was fucking great.
 
I hate to admit it, but Raw was actually fairly entertaining tonight. They played on the obvious nostalgia factor, but it was effective.

The only problem was that it was painfully obvious that the first segment ran WAY over. The skipped entrances and the random quick matches (Rhodes/Murdoch and WGTT/Duggan&Crazy) were strange. I mean, obviously something ran too long, but why keep the tag match in there? 3 minutes, and then Crazy gets the random pin on Benjamin? Plus, watching Hacksaw try to get the crowd going was just painful. If they had just taken that match out, Raw would've been much better in flow.

Anyway, yeah, I'm just surprised at actually enjoying it.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']I think they hit a brick wall when Big Dick landed on TV, and then had to try and find a way to get the momentum back. A squash match with Super Crazy and Duggan winning surely wasn't the way to do that, either.[/quote]

Super Crazy and Duggan made no sense. It was like they were both tripping on on the same thing and would rather ramble than wrestle.

"HOOOOO! C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOOOOOOO!!!! C!!!"

"Let me in!" "Let me in!" "Let me in!"

*Pinfall*
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Thanks for the heads up on the return of the bad guy guyver. I definately have to check it out this week.[/quote]

i knew youd be pumped for it!
 
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I guess all that oozing machismo went straight to his face.
 
That's a shot of him from his last TNA run - he's in better shape now, judging by his recent match against Carlito in WWC.

Edit - Brock's first UFC opponent has been announced - he'll face Frank Mir on the 2/2

Good choice for Brock. Mir's a name, but also a guy who is past his prime who probably won't embarrass Brock in the cage.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']That's a shot of him from his last TNA run - he's in better shape now, judging by his recent match against Carlito in WWC.[/quote]

ok thank god.. i was hoping that was an old pic..
 
Not a bad Raw at all tonight, certainly a good show to build upon. While there wasn't much great wrestling, one could easily say the same for the more entertaining shows of yester-year.

Most of the bits were pretty entertaining, and although I was quite disappointed to see Santino jobbed out to Austin's ego, I was at least entertained by how this was done. Plus the segment was more than just Austin giving another stunner.

The highlight of the show for me was the Moolah bit. As Myke put it, a very "classy" video for the woman that blazed the trail for women in wrestling more than most will ever know. The one thing I thought during that bit though, was when is/isn't a 10-bell salute appropriate? This seems to be used only when a wrestler on the active roster passes away, right?

I hope they don't drag out Jericho's return much longer though...
 
[quote name='guyver2077']ok thank god.. i was hoping that was an old pic..[/quote]

The question, then, becomes... why in the hell didn't they take a more recent picture?

If anything, I'm sort of disappointed. I would've tuned in to see old, out of shape Scott Hall.


... ah, hell, who am I kidding? I'll tune in either way. :oops:
 
Demo, the SAVE_US video came after the Austin segment. The biggest addition is the "Can you crack the code?".

In case anyone caught it, Snitsky's opponent was XPW and WSX's Kaos.
 
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So was Scott Hall stung in the face by a dozen bees or something?

I almost want to agree with the three hour RAW being the Jericho debut. Its funny because I almost don't care anymore they've been teasing so long.
 
I like how the RAW main event make Orton look like a joke -- just like the last five times HBK laid him out.

I'm sick of how WWE undercooks their heels.
 
Weird Raw show. The opening was a bit long in the tooth, but I can't hate any segment that involves Hornswoggle, the Boogeyman, and THE GREAT KHALI joining DX. The writer's guild strike joke was surprisingly topical in a segment featuring a nostalgia act, but the segment didn't do much to progress the story of the show, and took up about 20 minutes of time. The good Finlay/Kennedy vs. Hardy/Rey tag match made up for the slight monotony, while Beth's squash was absolutely perfect, and Snitsky's squashing of Kaos was enjoyable just due to Kaos making everything Snitsky did seem devastating, and unlike most of Snitsky's other opponents, he actually has charisma. This was my favorite squash since Palumbo destroyed Luke Hawx on SD a few months back.

The second hour was also wrestling-lite, but had a strong Austin-Santino segment, filled with some good lines from Santino, but also a segment that could have been done in much less time, as the crowd would have been just as happy with Austin coming down and beating the shit out of Santino. The Moolah tribute video was very classy, and I was happy to see younger fans (including some kids) hold up signs for her.

The WGTT vs. Crazy/Duggan match was weird - the Duggan/Crazy act didn't get over, but they still squashed this once-over tag team as if it had gotten over like gangbusters. The Mickie/Murdoch plot progressed nicely between a backstage bit and a quick match - they're building it slowly, which is smart. The main event was sound, but I didn't like it as much as the earlier SD/Raw interbrand tag match, and Orton was a total non-factor in this show, which isn't good. I couldn't even remember that he was champion until he came out with the belt, and he wasn't treated like THE man in this match, which also doesn't bode well for his title reign.

Quotes -
(as Hornswoggle hides behind him)HHH - ...yes, that is a midget between my legs.
(to Coach)HHH - You better take the bass out of your voice, George Jefferson!
J.R. - The Great Khali is on Coachman patrol!
(after Singh, Khali, and Hornswoggle leave the ring)HHH - I don’t think anybody writes this crap, they’re on strike! (crowd cheers)
HBK - BUT WE’RE NOT!
Santino - Bonjour, I am Santino Marella! Unfortunately, I have-a some bad news. Stone-a Cold-a Steve Austin will not be here tonight, but on the off chance that he is, I brought this - a paper bag, so he can act his way out of it!
Santino (to Maria) - The chances of Stone Cold showing up tonight are the same as him winning an Oscar!
Santino - Stone Cold Steve Austin is as a phony as… PEOPLE IN LOS ANGELES! Tonight, there will be no glasses breaking, no cans of the ass-whip being handed out, no mud-pies being stomped, and J.R. will not reach the point of orgasm!
(Stone Cold theme hits)J.R. - It’s Austin!
King - Hang on, J.R., don’t reach the point of orgasm!
Austin - I don’t like how you’ve been misquoting me. Like saying I open cans of…
Santino - The ass whip!
Austin - It’s a can of whoop ass.
Austin - It’s not the bottom lines, it’s the bottom line.
Santino - I speak English, I just sometimes like to say multiple things at once.
Austin - How many times did you watch the Condemned?
Santino - Once. I nearly vomited. It was so violent… I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU CAN DO THOSE THINS TO PEOPLE!
Austin - Would you like to have a beer with Stone Cold?
Santino - I would like some red wine - it’s the drink of the cultured person!
(Austin gives Santino Condemned DVD, Santino drops it)Santino - I’m sorry, I just cannot do that again!
HHH - Ladies and gentlemen, the DX DANCERS! (Big Dick Johnson shows up)
HHH - Shawn…
HBK - I’m a father of two, ALL I KNOW IS HIGGLYSTOWN HEROES AND DORA THE EXPLORER! I DON’T KNOW COOL!
Lillian - Coming to the ring, weighing in at 282 pounds, Lance Cade!
J.R. - Well, it’s obviously Murdoch, Lillian. He’s the only one dressed to compete!
 
Lillian - Coming to the ring, weighing in at 282 pounds, Lance Cade!
J.R. - Well, it’s obviously Murdoch, Lillian. He’s the only one dressed to compete!


Yea, Jr's the one to be correcting other people...
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']USA recently changed the watermark logo to green to make it stand out compared to the previous white one.[/quote]I'm pretty sure it's because this week is supposed to be "green week." NBC's logo is green as well.
 
Ron Paul keeps Val Venis hard all... night... LONG!

Sen. Barack Obama has Oprah Winfrey, Sen. Hillary Clinton has Magic Johnson and Rep. Ron Paul, the online star of the primary race, has Sean Morley, aka Val Venis, the popular WWE pro wrestler who pretends to be an adult film star.

And like many of the Paulites, the Texas congressman's loyal, Web-savvy supporters, Morley is blogging about Paul on his own site. "I can't really say what my support means. But, you know, I first heard about him two years ago, and I've studied his voting record and I'm convinced that more than any candidate, Republican or Democrat, he's the most principled candidate out there," Morley, a libertarian, told The Trail this afternoon. "By the way, I'm at Denny's outside LAX. Here for a fight later tonight. I'm wearing a Ron Paul T-shirt. It's a great day for Ron Paul, you know."


Indeed.


Today, Nov. 5, marks not only Paul's best fundraising haul in a single day -- approximately $3.75 million by 11 p.m. EST -- but online observers say it's also the most money raised by a candidate on the Web in a single day. And the day's not over yet. "Damn. Wow. Um, that's pretty awesome," said a stunned Jerome Armstrong who served as Howard Dean's online strategist. Armstrong, the founder of the popular blog MyDD, said Dean raised as much as $700,000 in one day toward the end of the primary race. "But not a million," Armstrong added. "What Paul is doing -- or what his supporters are doing -- is really impressive." You can view all the fundraising data here.


On the online left, Sen. Chris Dodd is getting a lot of love, especially among the liberal bloggers. On the online right, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee is attracting more visitors to his Web site than the rest of the Republican field -- save Paul himself, depending on which traffic site you're looking at. But the online political sphere at large has been buzzing about Paul since the beginning of the year. Reporters who write about Paul -- or who fail to mention Paul in their stories -- are familiar with the e-mails, some of them downright incredulous.


His popularity in online polls has been questioned by some online observers. A study by the University of Alabama concluded that illegal spammers storm sites, though Gary Warner, who directed the research, said Paul's campaign probably has nothing to do with it. Annoyed by the Paulites who storm RedState.com, the popular conservative site, the folks at RedState banned them from commenting on the site.


But money talks loudly in politics, and Paul's fundraising haul has surprised political analysts. Last quarter, Paul raised $5.1 million -- close to Sen. John McCain's total and five times more than Huckabee's. Energized by the grassroots support, especially online, Paul has set a very high goal for the campaign: raise $12 million for the fourth quarter. And, in a bold and innovative move, Paul's Web site is streaming in real-time the names and towns of all the online donors. In addition to that, a few Paulites got together and picked a day, Nov. 5, to raise as much money as they can. An explainer is on TechPresident.com, the hub of online presidential campaigning.


Morley, the WWE wrestler, hasn't given money to Paul. He's Canadian and working on getting his American citizenship. "But I'm still wearing the T-shirts," Morley said, "blogging about him, telling everyone I know. He's surprising everyone."
 
wtf @ rude's entrance theme...

is anyone putting together edits/updates of songs for smackdown? i need a good edit of enter sandman without the whole long intro since it wont go well with the entrance..
 
Venis is STILL Canadian? For as long as he's been circle jerking with Sean Hannity!?!?!

Typical lazy-ass Libertarian bullshitter. At least Kane will get to vote for Ron Paul.

Of course, the cynic in me sez that Venis has surely given Paul campaign money in roundabout ways.

Christ; I have more respect for arch-conservative nitwit JBL compared to Venis.
 
I wasn't a fan of Raw last night like everyone else, in fact i was bored out of my mind. The opening segment had some funny parts especially the Boogeyman but it ran WAY to long. I wasn't a fan of any of the matches although i dug the interbrand aspect. Santino was humorous as usual but Austin wasn't as funny as he usually is.
 
Bryan Danielson Roster Video

[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=p00Zl-XRuQI[/MEDIA]

KENTA & Ishimori vs Marufuji & Ibushi 15-Jul-2007 1/3

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JeEcetFk46o[/media]
KENTA & Ishimori vs Marufuji & Ibushi 15-Jul-2007 2/3

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=SJHAOH9FgDw[/media]
KENTA & Ishimori vs Marufuji & Ibushi 15-Jul-2007 3/3

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BtZq9h8bSp0[/media]
 
Apparently CNN is doing a special tomorrow, called "Death Lock: Inside Pro Wrestling". Clips of Benoit were sprinkled throughout.

Set your Tivos.
 
How's custom soundtrack? Is i true that you have to make a playlist for each time you want to make a custom song? Can you use custom songs online?
 
to all the cena haters out there! so is raw like a million times better now that the champ, is not [there]? i'm just curious. and wouldnt it be great/lame if the dr. of thuganomics came back to save.us haha jk i just jinxed it.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVm02mb_NWI

Discuss.[/quote]
01. TNA is not a credible threat. I guarantee that TNA goes to New York or Chicago and they would get booed out of the building by the ROH hardcore.

02. If TNA ran a WWE live event schedule with the kind of wrestling they hold on the PPV, half the roster would be injured after 6 months. ROH can get away with the shows they put on because they only hold shows every 2 weeks.

03. I want to push those fuckers in the face for how they talk.

04. They seem to take for granted that everything TNA does is going to end up in success. Like the TNA game. The graphics look good but the gameplay looks like shit. Yet they assume that it'll be automatically be a success. In theory, it's pretty much the same way TNA approached Impact. First they need to get on TV. Then they needed stars. Then they needed celebrities. Then they needed 2 hours. And yet the ratings haven't changed. Yet they seem to automatically assume that because they have a talented roster people will automatically tune in.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']01. TNA is not a credible threat. I guarantee that TNA goes to New York or Chicago and they would get booed out of the building by the ROH hardcore.[/QUOTE]
Because paying $100+ to boo a wrestling show that isn't ROH is hArDcOrE.

ROH fans are annoying.
 
[quote name='Brak']Because paying $100+ to boo a wrestling show that isn't ROH is hArDcOrE.

ROH fans are annoying.[/quote]

That wouldn't stop the hardcore fanbase because their intentions would be to fuck the TNA show up, no different than how they almost wrecked the show on Saturday by chanting for the Briscoes after a double-DQ match through two futher segments until the company sent the Briscoes out there early.
 
So you don't remember any ECW chants breaking out at a WWE event back in the day? I mean think what you want but I'm just laying down what I think would happen should TNA run places like NYC, Philly, or Chicago. Every single time a former ROH wrestler would walk out, be it Samoa Joe, Homicide, Christopher Daniels, Alex Shelly, or Chris Sabin, ROH chants would break out and the wrestlers would probably end up suffering for it.

The only exception is Jimmy Rave. He would be getting all kinds of shit thrown at him.

Mostly toilet paper.
 
Yeah.

That was because WWF sucked, and ECW was where it's at.

I don't think TNA sucks. It has it's problems, but it doesn't garner a bunch of comic book nerds shutting the show down for mad-Internet cred -- and nothing more.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah.

That was because WWF sucked, and ECW was where it's at.

I don't think TNA sucks. It has it's problems, but it doesn't garner a bunch of comic book nerds shutting the show down for mad-Internet cred -- and nothing more.[/quote]
But you don't have to think TNA sucks for them to think it sucks. Besides, it has nothing to do with 'mad-Internet cred' and has more to do with a genuine disdain for the company. There are plenty of reasons to hate on TNA, a number of which posters like Jay point out on a consistent basis after watching a show.

Granted I would never pay to see a TNA show even if it was next door, but for a lot of people its a way to vent their hate of the company. And anyway a lot of people you're talking about have seen the full potential of Samoa Joe or Homicide be used and they don't like seeing talent like that being squandered in TNA.

Have you checked out any Ring of Honor Samoa Joe or Homicide fueds? I mean you're talking about ROH fans but did you ever watch any Ring of Honor on a consistent basis?

I don't know if you can be bothered to watch any wrestling outside of the stuff on TV because life can be pretty time consuming, but they were booked to be valuable and these fans feel a personal connection to those guys since they could shoot the breeze with them after catching them at a live show. Then when they see these people they like and respect being treated like shit, it pisses them off and they feel a need to attack the company doing this to the talent. Besides, the fact is that ROH has established markets in those territories.

Regardless I can see where you're coming from, but just because you feel they shouldn't boo out a show because they're not fans of the company isn't going to stop them.
 
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